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Romans 10:4: “Christ is the end of the Law unto righteousness to everyone that believeth.” There has been much discussion of the meaning of the word "end" here. Let us see if Scripture does not clear up the matter for us. When Christ died, He bore for Israel the curse of the Law, for they, and they alone, were under Law. Divine Law, being broken, does not ask for future good conduct on the part of the transgressor; but for his death,--and that only. Now Christ having died, all the claims of the Law against that nation which had been placed under law were completely met and ended. So that even Jews could now believe, and say, "I am dead to the Law!"

To him that believes, therefore, Jew or Gentile, Christ, dead, buried, and risen, is the end of law for righteousness,--in the sense of law's disappearance from the scene! Law does not know, or take cognizance of believers! We read in Chapter Seven (verse 6) that those who had been under the Law were discharged from the Law, brought to nought, put out of business (katargeo), with respect to the Law! The Law has nothing to do with them, as regards righteousness.

The Scripture must be obeyed with the obedience of belief: "Ye are not under law [not under that principle] but under grace" [the contrary principle]. "Ye are brought to nothing from Christ [literally, "put out of business from Christ"], ye who would be justified by the Law; ye are fallen away from grace" (Gal. 5:4). Paul writes in Hebrews 7:18, 19: "There is a disannulling of a foregoing commandment, because of its weakness and unprofitableness (for the Law made nothing perfect), and a bringing in thereupon of a better hope, through which we draw near unto God." Again, "Christ abolished in His flesh the enmity [between Jew and Gentile], even the Law of commandments contained in ordinances" (Eph. 2:15); again, speaking as a Hebrew believer, Paul says, "Christ blotted out the bond written in ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us: and He hath taken it out of the way, nailing it to the cross" (Col 2:14).

If these Scriptures do not set forth a complete closing up of any believer's account toward the Law, or to the whole legal principle, I know nothing of the meaning of words.

The words Christ is the end of the Law, cannot mean Christ is the "fulfillment of what the law required." The Law required obedience to precepts--or death for disobedience. Now Christ died! If it be answered, that before He died He fulfilled the claims of the Law, kept it perfectly, and that this law-keeping of Christ was reckoned as over against the Israelite's breaking of the Law, then I ask, Why should Christ die? If the claims of the Law were met in Christ's earthly obedience, and if that earthly life of obedience is "reckoned to those who believe" the curse of the Law has been removed by "vicarious law-keeping." Why should Christ die?

Now this idea of Christ keeping the Law for "us" (for they will include us among the Israelites! although the Law was not given to us Gentiles), is a deadly heresy, no matter who teaches it. Paul tells us plainly how the curse of the Law was removed: "Christ redeemed us,” (meaning Jewish believers), "from the curse of the Law, having become a curse, is seen in Deuteronomy 21:23: "He that is hanged is accursed of God." It was on the cross, not by an "earthly life of obedience,” that Christ bore the Law's curse.

There was no law given "which could make alive,” Paul says; "otherwise righteousness would have been by it." Therefore those who speak of Christ as taking the place of fulfilling the Law for us,--as "the object at which the Law aimed" (Alford); or, "the fulfillment or accomplishment of the Law" (Calvin); give the Law an office that God did not give it. There is not in all Scripture a hint of the doctrine that Christ's earthly life--His obedience as a man under the [Mosaic] Law, is "put to the account" of any sinner whatsoever! That obedience, which was perfect, was in order that He might "present Himself through the eternal Spirit without spot unto God,” as a sin-offering. It also was in order to His sacrificial death, as "a curse," that Christ died for our sins" (1 Cor. 15:3). William R. Newell, Romans, Verse by Verse
 
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Rom_8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
 

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It is true, we are under grace, and not under the law.

For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. (Romans 6:14, 15 KJV)

However, as stated here, though we are under grace, shall we sin? God forbid. What is sin though?

Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. (1 John 3:4 KJV)

To transgress the Law of God, is to sin. Thus, with 3 verses it is shown that we as Christians, shall not sin. To those who willfully and continually commit sins, such is said:

Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness. (Romans 6:16-18 KJV)

We are servants of righteousness now. Though we were servants of sin, transgressing the Law of God left and right, Thank our Father that He sent His Son to die for us. Now, we are made servants of righteousness.

For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness. What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death. But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life. (Romans 6:20-22 KJV)

Our fruits are to be holy. Our fruits are not to be idolatry, theivery, murdering, adultary, hating, taking the Lord's name in vain, etc. Again, we shall not willfully sin (transgress the law), because such is said:

For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, (Hebrews 10:26 KJV)

For those who knowingly, and willfully remain in sin, it is stated there remains no more sacrifice for sins.

And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. (1 John 3:5-9 KJV)

Whosoever abideth in Him, SINNETH NOT. Who does sin, does not know Him. Little children (my brethern), let no man deceive you, as it is said. He that does righteousness is righteous, even as He (the Lord) is righteous. He that sins, is of the devil. Whoever is born of God, does not commit sin. We are born again, are we not? We are to become new creatures? Does not the old man die? Are we now supposed to live by the Spirit and not the flesh? We, who are born again, are enabled by the blood and sacrifice of Jesus Christ to keep the law. How do we know if we truly know and love Christ?

And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked. (1 John 2:3-6 KJV)

If we keep His commandments, we know that we love Him. Him that does not keep the commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. Whosoever keeps His word, the Love of God is thus perfected in this person. We, who say we know Christ, ought to walk as he did. (Christ was no commandment breaker). Do not even angels keep the Commandments of God?

Bless the Lord, ye his angels, that excel in strength, that do his commandments, hearkening unto the voice of his word. (Psalm 103:20 KJV)

Even angels keep the Commandments. What about the command to love one another? Let me ask you this: Do you have someone you love? Yes? Now, show them you love them with absolutely no actions. Do nothing, and prove you love them. Can you do it? No! Because your actions speak louder than your words. For all we know, you could say one thing, and do another. So:

Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law. (Romans 13:8-10 KJV)

Notice, him that loves his neighbor, fulfills the law. And why is that? Because Romans 13:9 says "For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. " - Do you recognize 5 of the 10 commandments being listed, in this espistle describing love? What are those commandments briefly comprehended as? Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. Literally, a quick summary of commandments 5-10 is love your neighbor as yourself. If you say you love your neighbor, and murder his family, and take his wife, are you really loving your neighbor? No, you are not. Your actions are contrary to the words you are saying. You are just bearing false witness of yourself. Your actions must line up with the words you are saying. To love your neighbor as yourself is to keep the commandments 5-10. To love God with all your heart soul and mind, is to keep commandments 1-4.

Remember, there will be those who say "Lord, Lord!" Look! They are calling the Saviour, Lord! This is dangerous, because Christians are being led to believe they may live the life they please, not obeying the law, and continue on in sin. What does Revelation say is needed to be the Saint of Jesus Christ? There are two things mentioned:

Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. (Revelation 14:12 KJV)

1) Commandments of God
2) Faith of Jesus

Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. (Revelation 22:14 KJV)
 
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It is true, we are under grace, and not under the law.

For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. (Romans 6:14, 15 KJV)

However, as stated here, though we are under grace, shall we sin? God forbid. What is sin though?

Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. (1 John 3:4 KJV)

To transgress the Law of God, is to sin. Thus, with 3 verses it is shown that we as Christians, shall not sin. To those who willfully and continually commit sins, such is said:

Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness. (Romans 6:16-18 KJV)

We are servants of righteousness now. Though we were servants of sin, transgressing the Law of God left and right, Thank our Father that He sent His Son to die for us. Now, we are made servants of righteousness.

For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness. What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death. But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life. (Romans 6:20-22 KJV)

Our fruits are to be holy. Our fruits are not to be idolatry, theivery, murdering, adultary, hating, taking the Lord's name in vain, etc. Again, we shall not willfully sin (transgress the law), because such is said:

For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, (Hebrews 10:26 KJV)

For those who knowingly, and willfully remain in sin, it is stated there remains no more sacrifice for sins.

And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. (1 John 3:5-9 KJV)

Whosoever abideth in Him, SINNETH NOT. Who does sin, does not know Him. Little children (my brethern), let no man deceive you, as it is said. He that does righteousness is righteous, even as He (the Lord) is righteous. He that sins, is of the devil. Whoever is born of God, does not commit sin. We are born again, are we not? We are to become new creatures? Does not the old man die? Are we now supposed to live by the Spirit and not the flesh? We, who are born again, are enabled by the blood and sacrifice of Jesus Christ to keep the law. How do we know if we truly know and love Christ?

And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked. (1 John 2:3-6 KJV)

If we keep His commandments, we know that we love Him. Him that does not keep the commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. Whosoever keeps His word, the Love of God is thus perfected in this person. We, who say we know Christ, ought to walk as he did. (Christ was no commandment breaker). Do not even angels keep the Commandments of God?

Bless the Lord, ye his angels, that excel in strength, that do his commandments, hearkening unto the voice of his word. (Psalm 103:20 KJV)

Even angels keep the Commandments. What about the command to love one another? Let me ask you this: Do you have someone you love? Yes? Now, show them you love them with absolutely no actions. Do nothing, and prove you love them. Can you do it? No! Because your actions speak louder than your words. For all we know, you could say one thing, and do another. So:

Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law. (Romans 13:8-10 KJV)

Notice, him that loves his neighbor, fulfills the law. And why is that? Because Romans 13:9 says "For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. " - Do you recognize 5 of the 10 commandments being listed, in this espistle describing love? What are those commandments briefly comprehended as? Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. Literally, a quick summary of commandments 5-10 is love your neighbor as yourself. If you say you love your neighbor, and murder his family, and take his wife, are you really loving your neighbor? No, you are not. Your actions are contrary to the words you are saying. You are just bearing false witness of yourself. Your actions must line up with the words you are saying. To love your neighbor as yourself is to keep the commandments 5-10. To love God with all your heart soul and mind, is to keep commandments 1-4.

Remember, there will be those who say "Lord, Lord!" Look! They are calling the Saviour, Lord! This is dangerous, because Christians are being led to believe they may live the life they please, not obeying the law, and continue on in sin. What does Revelation say is needed to be the Saint of Jesus Christ? There are two things mentioned:

Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. (Revelation 14:12 KJV)

1) Commandments of God
2) Faith of Jesus

Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. (Revelation 22:14 KJV)

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mercy verses law they can not live together. with mercy you have forgiveness. with the law you have judgement. true mercy has no judgement and true law has no mercy. to me the commandments of God are not the law but a way of life with God.just walk in love and all is o k :rolleyes: the commandments are how we show love one to another. :D
 

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mercy verses law they can not live together. with mercy you have forgiveness. with the law you have judgement. true mercy has no judgement and true law has no mercy.

Hi Sogj - God's blessings to your Family! Thanks for your reply and I agree with you here. It reminds me of what I like to call "The Three Pillars of God" - Mercy, Justice and Grace: Mercy is not receiving what we deserve; Justice is receiving what we deserve; Grace is receiving what we do not deserve.
 

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Rom_8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Amen Episkopos

This should be the end of the matter.
But for those who still don't get it.
"Christ showed you how to do the first commandment". "To love God and walk and talk with Him".
If you copy Christ and follow Him in this pursuit all of the other laws are under it and fall into place with no effort or thought.
A good Place to begin is By asking God for His Spirit.