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This was settled long ago at the Jerusalem council. Acts 15:5 - "But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses."

Peter's reply, Acts 15:8-11 - "And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;
9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. 10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? 11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they."

James's reply, Acts 15:19-20 - "It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God. 20 Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood."

Notice, there is no mention at all of sabbath-keeping. Then we read further on that they sent out letters affirming these same restrictions.

Acts 15:23-24 - "And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia. 24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:" ...29 "That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well."

How much plainer do you need it to be?! All the apostles agreed, Gentiles need not keep the law!!!
 

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This was settled long ago at the Jerusalem council. Acts 15:5 - "But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses."

Peter's reply, Acts 15:8-11 - "And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;
9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. 10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? 11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they."

James's reply, Acts 15:19-20 - "It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God. 20 Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood."

Notice, there is no mention at all of sabbath-keeping. Then we read further on that they sent out letters affirming these same restrictions.

Acts 15:23-24 - "And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia. 24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:" ...29 "That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well."

How much plainer do you need it to be?! All the apostles agreed, Gentiles need not keep the law!!!
The Sabbath was not the "Law of Moses". All the scriptures you have presented point to the "Law of Moses".

Let me explain something. Moses wrote one thing, God wrote another. Don't you think there would have been a little significance to the fact that God actually came to earth, wrote His 10 Commandments with His own finger? Sure, He could have directed Moses to write that as the "Law of Moses" was written. But the fact that the Lord took it upon Himself, to write the Commandments in the tables of stone, proves He is jealous for His law.

Isaiah 42:21 The LORD is well pleased for his righteousness’ sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable.

And this is exactly what Jesus did. He came down to earth about 2000 years ago, and magnified His law, and made it honourable. He did not do away with it, as even He himself stated.

Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

In no wise did He do away with the 10 Commandments, any of them. Not even the Sabbath, which He made honourable, healing the man on the Sabbath! Honourable indeed! Did he magnify it? Of course He did:

Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
 

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Raeneske, Your words: "The Sabbath was not the "Law of Moses". All the scriptures you have presented point to the "Law of Moses."

Nice try but it won't fly. The "law of Moses" is the complete pentateuch (sp?) aka Torah, including the ten commandments. God may have put them on tablets of stone but it was Moses who put them to parchment. They are called the "law of Moses" because He was the author of the first five books of the OT.

I'm sorry you can't understand that regarding the law, the last phrase of vs. 18, "till all be fulfilled" is a reality.

Here's the way Christ explained it in Luke 24:40-44 - "And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.
41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?
42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.
43 And he took it, and did eat before them.
44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me."

Here, He is verifying that now all things were fulfilled as was written and seriously you can't separate a "supposed" law of God from the law of Moses, they are one in the same.

You claim you're not SDA, but you mimic their teachings and even reference Ellen White on occasion. If a person really wants to know the truth then a person who is or was involved in such cults needs to repent and dispell the demons of false teachings, false doctrines and heeding false prophetesses. As the bible teaches, if you don't cleanse your heart from such things, they will only get seven times worse and it will only get harder to break free from the bondage they cause by their "angel of light" teaching that sounds good but takes one down the wrong path.
 

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Raeneske, Your words: "The Sabbath was not the "Law of Moses". All the scriptures you have presented point to the "Law of Moses."

Nice try but it won't fly. The "law of Moses" is the complete pentateuch (sp?) aka Torah, including the ten commandments. God may have put them on tablets of stone but it was Moses who put them to parchment. They are called the "law of Moses" because He was the author of the first five books of the OT.

I'm sorry you can't understand that regarding the law, the last phrase of vs. 18, "till all be fulfilled" is a reality.

Here's the way Christ explained it in Luke 24:40-44 - "And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.
41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?
42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.
43 And he took it, and did eat before them.
44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me."

Here, He is verifying that now all things were fulfilled as was written and seriously you can't separate a "supposed" law of God from the law of Moses, they are one in the same.

You claim you're not SDA, but you mimic their teachings and even reference Ellen White on occasion. If a person really wants to know the truth then a person who is or was involved in such cults needs to repent and dispell the demons of false teachings, false doctrines and heeding false prophetesses. As the bible teaches, if you don't cleanse your heart from such things, they will only get seven times worse and it will only get harder to break free from the bondage they cause by their "angel of light" teaching that sounds good but takes one down the wrong path.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Heaven and Earth surely have not passed away yet. Til all be fulfilled, Till heaven and earth pass, not one jot or tittle shall pass from the Law of God. Yet, continually I am told a bunch of jots and tittles have changed. The entire 4th Commandment in some cases, and sometimes the entire 10 Commandments.

Did Jesus Christ retract the 10 Commandments? No, he magnified and honoured it. Did Jesus declare them less binding? Did He not say it shall not pass away?

There were a certain group of men who put the traditions of men, before the Commandments of God, even making the Commandments of God void. What was Jesus's reaction? How did He feel about such a thing happening?

Matthew 15:3-9 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death. But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition. Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Their worship of God was vain. Why? Because of the simple fact by their own traditions, they made of no effect the Commandment of God. The Pharisees come appearing righteous to themselves, flattering themselves that they've caught the Son of God and His apostles in an open act of transgression of what was commonly done in their day. But what they thought what open victory, turned out to be just glaring hypocrisy on their part. They didn't care a thing about God, at least not in their hearts. The desecration of His plain Commandments was what showed the real moral darkness in their hearts.

1 John 2:3-6 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

We shall keep the Commandments of Jesus, if we know Him. He who says He knows Jesus, and does not keep them, is a liar. In doing the will of Jesus, would we be contradicting the will of His Father? Of course not. Jesus spoke of the two great commandments, which is always referenced. In Jesus's speech about the two Great Commandments, does that ever seem to imply the 10 Commandments are no abolished?

Matthew 22:37-40 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Nothing there either, hinting the destruction of the 10 Commandments. But let's look at what Jesus said. Love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, soul and mind, and Love thy neighbour as thysef. So the great commandments are fulfilled in one word, that being love. And just what do the great commandments mean? How do I love my neighbour as myself?

Romans13:8-10 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

If I love my neighbour I wont kill, commit adultery, steal, bear false witness, nor covet. Isn't in interesting that 5 of the 10 commandments were chosen in this? That's half of the Law of God. That's 5 commandments you can look at, to see how to love your neighbour as yourself. What's more, Paul mentioned if there be any others, it is comprehended as love thy neighbour as thyself. Commandment #5 also teaches you how to deal with fellow man, but this one is close to home. This one deals with your parents, one that Christ showed the Pharisees they were hypocrites for not keeping. That's 6 out of the 10. Look at Commandments 1, 2, and 3! We clearly won't commit idolatry, take His name in vain, or put any other God's before Him. That's 9/10 commandments thus far, showing love for our fellow man, and for our God. Is it safe to say, then, that the Commandments of God are established in the New Testament?

Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Establish here means: To make firm; to confirm; to ratify what has been previously set or made. Is it void? Even with faith? God forbid! Rather, the apostles established the law!

Did the Son of man die to remove from us the Law of God? Or rather, to remove sins, and so that the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us? And if it's to be fulfilled in us, shall we walk in the flesh or the Spirit? Does the carnal minded have a problem with anything God has set up?

Romans 8:3-7 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

The law of God is not something supposed. It is an eternal reality, that Christ defended and kept. The Law of God is a perfect transcript of Jesus Christ's Character. Never did He break a single one of those Commandments, never did He belittle God's Law, never did say that they were gone.

Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

As I said before, go ahead and look at those 10 Commandments, and tell me how you can reflect Christ, while breaking all of them. As a matter of fact, don't even look at the Sabbath Commandment just yet. Look at the other 9, and tell me which ones you can break, and still reflect Him.

Did Christ stutter in His speech when He said, Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.?

So, we see that fulfilling 9 of the commandments will express our love towards God and mankind. Does the word of God say anything about keeping the whole law, except in one point?

James 2:10-11 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

And again, no coincidence James here is pointing the 10 commandments. The perfect law of liberty, as he calls it in verse 12.

James 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

There is no way this can be the "Law of Moses". Why? The simple fact that here it's proclaimed the law of liberty says much. Seeing as how people want to continually call the Law of God a "yoke of bondage", I ask, how's it a yoke of bondage and the law of liberty? Those two cannot even be brought together. Clearly then, the yoke of bondage refers to something else, as the Law of God here is the law of liberty.

So, if God's commandments are refered to as the "Perfect Law of Liberty", and Jesus said not one jot or tittle should pass away, and that those who teach them shall be called great in Heaven, and the Saints who have patience are the ones who have faith in Jesus and keep the Commandments of God, I have to ask - who changed the Law of God? Since, scripture clearly states that they still have binding claims, who changed it? Did God ever change it? Was it ever predicted that it would change, in prophecy?

Daniel 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

Everything in that passage has to do with a power, against God and His people. The power war's speaks great things against God, shall chase down and wear out the Saints of the Most High, it shall try to change God's times and laws, and the Saints would be overturned into his hands for a time, times, and half a time.

Amazing, isn't it? Not one word from God removing any precept of His law, and yet we have a mysterious power, who comes in to do that very thing. But that in itself, is a whole other topic.

The Word of God is plain, it's not blessed are they who forget His commandments. It's not great are they who break them. It's not guiltless are they who keep all points, except one. No, what is one of the closing statements of our Father's love letter, filled in 66 books?

Revelation 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
 

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Raeneske, Your words: "The Sabbath was not the "Law of Moses". All the scriptures you have presented point to the "Law of Moses."

Nice try but it won't fly. The "law of Moses" is the complete pentateuch (sp?) aka Torah, including the ten commandments. God may have put them on tablets of stone but it was Moses who put them to parchment. They are called the "law of Moses" because He was the author of the first five books of the OT.

I'm sorry you can't understand that regarding the law, the last phrase of vs. 18, "till all be fulfilled" is a reality.

Here's the way Christ explained it in Luke 24:40-44 - "And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.
41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?
42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.
43 And he took it, and did eat before them.
44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me."

Here, He is verifying that now all things were fulfilled as was written and seriously you can't separate a "supposed" law of God from the law of Moses, they are one in the same.

You claim you're not SDA, but you mimic their teachings and even reference Ellen White on occasion. If a person really wants to know the truth then a person who is or was involved in such cults needs to repent and dispell the demons of false teachings, false doctrines and heeding false prophetesses. As the bible teaches, if you don't cleanse your heart from such things, they will only get seven times worse and it will only get harder to break free from the bondage they cause by their "angel of light" teaching that sounds good but takes one down the wrong path.
The issue with debating such subjects with those who hold SDA Sabbath teaching is likened to Christ speaking to the Pharisees concerning the Spirit of the Law. The SDA wants to hold to the letter, at the expense of the beautiful principles contain behind the very letter they endeavour to uphold. I have lost count how many SDA's have cornered themselves trying to pick a law here, and leave a law there, only to find by doing so they received the condemnation of Christ Mat 23:23.

The Law is righteous and full of divine principles but they all are now found in Col 2:3 and not papyrus.

The great Sabbath chapter is Isa 58 and a healthy study of this beautiful Word will certainly find you moving away from SDA teaching and practice.

TGG


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18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Heaven and Earth surely have not passed away yet. Til all be fulfilled, Till heaven and earth pass, not one jot or tittle shall pass from the Law of God. Yet, continually I am told a bunch of jots and tittles have changed. The entire 4th Commandment in some cases, and sometimes the entire 10 Commandments.

Did Jesus Christ retract the 10 Commandments? No, he magnified and honoured it. Did Jesus declare them less binding? Did He not say it shall not pass away?

There were a certain group of men who put the traditions of men, before the Commandments of God, even making the Commandments of God void. What was Jesus's reaction? How did He feel about such a thing happening?

Matthew 15:3-9 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death. But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition. Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Their worship of God was vain. Why? Because of the simple fact by their own traditions, they made of no effect the Commandment of God. The Pharisees come appearing righteous to themselves, flattering themselves that they've caught the Son of God and His apostles in an open act of transgression of what was commonly done in their day. But what they thought what open victory, turned out to be just glaring hypocrisy on their part. They didn't care a thing about God, at least not in their hearts. The desecration of His plain Commandments was what showed the real moral darkness in their hearts.

1 John 2:3-6 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

We shall keep the Commandments of Jesus, if we know Him. He who says He knows Jesus, and does not keep them, is a liar. In doing the will of Jesus, would we be contradicting the will of His Father? Of course not. Jesus spoke of the two great commandments, which is always referenced. In Jesus's speech about the two Great Commandments, does that ever seem to imply the 10 Commandments are no abolished?

Matthew 22:37-40 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Nothing there either, hinting the destruction of the 10 Commandments. But let's look at what Jesus said. Love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, soul and mind, and Love thy neighbour as thysef. So the great commandments are fulfilled in one word, that being love. And just what do the great commandments mean? How do I love my neighbour as myself?

Romans13:8-10 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

If I love my neighbour I wont kill, commit adultery, steal, bear false witness, nor covet. Isn't in interesting that 5 of the 10 commandments were chosen in this? That's half of the Law of God. That's 5 commandments you can look at, to see how to love your neighbour as yourself. What's more, Paul mentioned if there be any others, it is comprehended as love thy neighbour as thyself. Commandment #5 also teaches you how to deal with fellow man, but this one is close to home. This one deals with your parents, one that Christ showed the Pharisees they were hypocrites for not keeping. That's 6 out of the 10. Look at Commandments 1, 2, and 3! We clearly won't commit idolatry, take His name in vain, or put any other God's before Him. That's 9/10 commandments thus far, showing love for our fellow man, and for our God. Is it safe to say, then, that the Commandments of God are established in the New Testament?

Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Establish here means: To make firm; to confirm; to ratify what has been previously set or made. Is it void? Even with faith? God forbid! Rather, the apostles established the law!

Did the Son of man die to remove from us the Law of God? Or rather, to remove sins, and so that the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us? And if it's to be fulfilled in us, shall we walk in the flesh or the Spirit? Does the carnal minded have a problem with anything God has set up?

Romans 8:3-7 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

The law of God is not something supposed. It is an eternal reality, that Christ defended and kept. The Law of God is a perfect transcript of Jesus Christ's Character. Never did He break a single one of those Commandments, never did He belittle God's Law, never did say that they were gone.

Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

As I said before, go ahead and look at those 10 Commandments, and tell me how you can reflect Christ, while breaking all of them. As a matter of fact, don't even look at the Sabbath Commandment just yet. Look at the other 9, and tell me which ones you can break, and still reflect Him.

Did Christ stutter in His speech when He said, Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.?

So, we see that fulfilling 9 of the commandments will express our love towards God and mankind. Does the word of God say anything about keeping the whole law, except in one point?

James 2:10-11 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

And again, no coincidence James here is pointing the 10 commandments. The perfect law of liberty, as he calls it in verse 12.

James 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

There is no way this can be the "Law of Moses". Why? The simple fact that here it's proclaimed the law of liberty says much. Seeing as how people want to continually call the Law of God a "yoke of bondage", I ask, how's it a yoke of bondage and the law of liberty? Those two cannot even be brought together. Clearly then, the yoke of bondage refers to something else, as the Law of God here is the law of liberty.

So, if God's commandments are refered to as the "Perfect Law of Liberty", and Jesus said not one jot or tittle should pass away, and that those who teach them shall be called great in Heaven, and the Saints who have patience are the ones who have faith in Jesus and keep the Commandments of God, I have to ask - who changed the Law of God? Since, scripture clearly states that they still have binding claims, who changed it? Did God ever change it? Was it ever predicted that it would change, in prophecy?

Daniel 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

Everything in that passage has to do with a power, against God and His people. The power war's speaks great things against God, shall chase down and wear out the Saints of the Most High, it shall try to change God's times and laws, and the Saints would be overturned into his hands for a time, times, and half a time.

Amazing, isn't it? Not one word from God removing any precept of His law, and yet we have a mysterious power, who comes in to do that very thing. But that in itself, is a whole other topic.

The Word of God is plain, it's not blessed are they who forget His commandments. It's not great are they who break them. It's not guiltless are they who keep all points, except one. No, what is one of the closing statements of our Father's love letter, filled in 66 books?

Revelation 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Its honourable your response, but Gal 3:13 will always remain and the very reason Jesus was born of a woman born under the Law is what you fail to comprehend. You must understand the purpose of the Law and how it was nailed to a tree...then you might begin to see truth.
 

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Raeneske, I don't know what else to say. If you won't believe the words of Peter, Paul and Christ, then you're surely not going to listen to me.
 

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The issue with debating such subjects with those who hold SDA Sabbath teaching is likened to Christ speaking to the Pharisees concerning the Spirit of the Law. The SDA wants to hold to the letter, at the expense of the beautiful principles contain behind the very letter they endeavour to uphold. I have lost count how many SDA's have cornered themselves trying to pick a law here, and leave a law there, only to find by doing so they received the condemnation of Christ Mat 23:23.

The Law is righteous and full of divine principles but they all are now found in Col 2:3 and not papyrus.

The great Sabbath chapter is Isa 58 and a healthy study of this beautiful Word will certainly find you moving away from SDA teaching and practice.

TGG



Its honourable your response, but Gal 3:13 will always remain and the very reason Jesus was born of a woman born under the Law is what you fail to comprehend. You must understand the purpose of the Law and how it was nailed to a tree...then you might begin to see truth.
How is ignoring a commandment, the "spirit of the law"? See, what Jesus called that was hypocrisy when speaking to the Pharisees, telling them their tradition made a commandment of God void. It's not keeping the law that bothered Christ. It was #1 - The hypocrisy & #2 - The insane legalism of their day.

The Spirit of the Law never taught one to ignore the law. For example, thou shalt not kill even began with your heart, do not hate hate your brethern. Or that adultery, do not look upon a woman with lust. Did any of Jesus's teachings ever contradict the Sabbath? No. It's a day meant to bless mankind, not to burden people.

Colossions 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Where is the 10 Commandments or 7th Day Sabbath mentioned in that? The 10 Commandments were only a shadow of what was to come? Honouring your father and mother was only a shadow of what was to come? Thou shalt not kill, what a shadow, nailed to the cross? As I stated, to think 9 out of those 10 Commandments are nailed, and for someone to claim you would not have to keep them, would be a great error. No one is going to come down here and say, "No see, taking the Lord's name in vain was nailed to the cross. I can do that now, I'm free from the law. Grace covers me." Oh what would be said about such a situation?

Romans 6:1-2 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

How can any of us do anything so disgraceful, as to continue to transgress those commandments? 9 of the 10, I would hope you would agree with me. But when God shines a light upon the binding claims of the Sabbath, man would prefer to do away with the entire law. If you sin, you are breaking the law. How can anyone continue to break the law, if they're supposed to be dead to sin?

Romans 6:15-16 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

Shall we break the law, though we are not under it? No. And that's clear. No transgression of the law is acceptable, even to those who are not under the law. As Paul says, you are a servant to whom you obey. If you decide to continually transgress a commandment of God (let's say, adultery this time), how are you a servant of righteousness? Are you not a servant of sin, but the deliberate choice of disobeying. And please understand, no one is saying mistakes don't happen. When you sin, you repent. But the deliberate disobediance, without repenting, is absolutely dangerous, making you a servant of sin instead of a servant of God.

Romans 7:6-12 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter. What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet. But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead. For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died. And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death. For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me. Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

Paul showed, we are to serve the law in the newness of the spirit.

Romans 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

And if the Law of God is spiritual, how can the commandments be gone? Rather, how can you sin against God, without a law? Where there is no law, there is no sin. Sin comes by the law, meaning: The Law shows you bright path. The sin is ignoring the commandment, and certainly not keeping it.

Does the words "sabbath days" mean everytime you hear the word "Sabbath", you simply ignore it? There are two types of sabbaths, the same way there are two types of laws, two types of references to wine, two types of covenants, etc.

The Sabbath that was classed with the moral Law, had it any reason to be classe there, other than it's binding claims upon mankind?

Leviticus 23:23-37 shows you the Sabbaths that were nailed to the cross. And Leviticus 23:38 shows you how all those sabbath days, were completely different than the 7th day Sabbath. The 7th Day Sabbath is a commandment of God, required to be kept. Because they kept the other "feast days", they were under no circumstances to ignore the 7th Day Sabbath.

And, it's impossible for the Law of God to have been nailed to the tree, seeing as how James 2:12 says you're judged by it.

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Raeneske, I don't know what else to say. If you won't believe the words of Peter, Paul and Christ, then you're surely not going to listen to me.
Revelation 1:9-10 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ. I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,

Why was he in the Spirit, and what is the Lord's day?

John 4:23-24 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Exodus 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

Isaiah 58:13-14 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words: Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

Those that worship God, must do so in Spirit and truth, as John was in the Spirit. He was in the Spirit on the Lord's Day, that being the 7th Day Sabbath.

John understood the binding claims of the Sabbath. Was he in sin, for keeping the Lord's Day holy? Because he was keeping it holy, did John have to continue to sacrifice animals, and all the other laws practiced? Absolutely not, and John understood that.

If the Sabbath is okay for John to keep, it's good enough for me to keep.
 
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You will be judged by the law. just as " you choose", there is no grace for you, as you have trodden the grace of Jesus underfoot, you have decided that you can do a better job than Jesus. His sacrifice was perfect yours will never be. There is only one payment for breaking the law. any of them ' Your Blood", you have refused His Payment that He made for you. You choice.

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joshhuntnm said:
How do we live out Sabbath rest in the NT era?
By ceasing from our own labors, dying to self in baptism, and resting forevermore in Christ Jesus. That is the only true Sabbath.

Raeneske said:
How is ignoring a commandment, the "spirit of the law"? See, what Jesus called that was hypocrisy when speaking to the Pharisees, telling them their tradition made a commandment of God void. It's not keeping the law that bothered Christ. It was #1 - The hypocrisy & #2 - The insane legalism of their day.

The Spirit of the Law never taught one to ignore the law. For example, thou shalt not kill even began with your heart, do not hate hate your brethern. Or that adultery, do not look upon a woman with lust. Did any of Jesus's teachings ever contradict the Sabbath? No. It's a day meant to bless mankind, not to burden people.

Colossions 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Where is the 10 Commandments or 7th Day Sabbath mentioned in that? The 10 Commandments were only a shadow of what was to come? Honouring your father and mother was only a shadow of what was to come? Thou shalt not kill, what a shadow, nailed to the cross? As I stated, to think 9 out of those 10 Commandments are nailed, and for someone to claim you would not have to keep them, would be a great error. No one is going to come down here and say, "No see, taking the Lord's name in vain was nailed to the cross. I can do that now, I'm free from the law. Grace covers me." Oh what would be said about such a situation?

Romans 6:1-2 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

How can any of us do anything so disgraceful, as to continue to transgress those commandments? 9 of the 10, I would hope you would agree with me. But when God shines a light upon the binding claims of the Sabbath, man would prefer to do away with the entire law. If you sin, you are breaking the law. How can anyone continue to break the law, if they're supposed to be dead to sin?

Romans 6:15-16 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

Shall we break the law, though we are not under it? No. And that's clear. No transgression of the law is acceptable, even to those who are not under the law. As Paul says, you are a servant to whom you obey. If you decide to continually transgress a commandment of God (let's say, adultery this time), how are you a servant of righteousness? Are you not a servant of sin, but the deliberate choice of disobeying. And please understand, no one is saying mistakes don't happen. When you sin, you repent. But the deliberate disobediance, without repenting, is absolutely dangerous, making you a servant of sin instead of a servant of God.

Romans 7:6-12 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter. What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet. But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead. For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died. And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death. For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me. Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

Paul showed, we are to serve the law in the newness of the spirit.

Romans 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

And if the Law of God is spiritual, how can the commandments be gone? Rather, how can you sin against God, without a law? Where there is no law, there is no sin. Sin comes by the law, meaning: The Law shows you bright path. The sin is ignoring the commandment, and certainly not keeping it.

Does the words "sabbath days" mean everytime you hear the word "Sabbath", you simply ignore it? There are two types of sabbaths, the same way there are two types of laws, two types of references to wine, two types of covenants, etc.

The Sabbath that was classed with the moral Law, had it any reason to be classe there, other than it's binding claims upon mankind?

Leviticus 23:23-37 shows you the Sabbaths that were nailed to the cross. And Leviticus 23:38 shows you how all those sabbath days, were completely different than the 7th day Sabbath. The 7th Day Sabbath is a commandment of God, required to be kept. Because they kept the other "feast days", they were under no circumstances to ignore the 7th Day Sabbath.

And, it's impossible for the Law of God to have been nailed to the tree, seeing as how James 2:12 says you're judged by it.


Revelation 1:9-10 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ. I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,

Why was he in the Spirit, and what is the Lord's day?

John 4:23-24 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Exodus 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

Isaiah 58:13-14 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words: Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

Those that worship God, must do so in Spirit and truth, as John was in the Spirit. He was in the Spirit on the Lord's Day, that being the 7th Day Sabbath.

John understood the binding claims of the Sabbath. Was he in sin, for keeping the Lord's Day holy? Because he was keeping it holy, did John have to continue to sacrifice animals, and all the other laws practiced? Absolutely not, and John understood that.

If the Sabbath is okay for John to keep, it's good enough for me to keep.
You would be so thankful if somehow the light of the true meaning of the Sabbath could enlighten you and you could find eternal rest in Christ. All of us in "The Lord's Day", which is Eternal, worship the Sabbath. I'll pray for you.
 

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By ceasing from our own labors, dying to self in baptism, and resting forevermore in Christ Jesus. That is the only true Sabbath.


You would be so thankful if somehow the light of the true meaning of the Sabbath could enlighten you and you could find eternal rest in Christ. All of us in "The Lord's Day", which is Eternal, worship the Sabbath. I'll pray for you.
You cannot keep the Sabbath by doing your normal day-to-day activities. Does this say, Jesus is the Sabbath, or does this state Jesus gives us rest?

Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Here are some examples of people receiving, which never ended their obligation to keep the Sabbath.

Then Naomi her mother in law said unto her, My daughter, shall I not seek rest for thee, that it may be well with thee? (Ruth 3:1 KJV)

But now the Lord my God hath given me rest on every side, so that there is neither adversary nor evil occurrent. (1 Kings 5:4 KJV)

Blessed be the Lord, that hath given rest unto his people Israel, according to all that he promised: there hath not failed one word of all his good promise, which he promised by the hand of Moses his servant. (1 Kings 8:56 KJV)

And the fear of God was on all the kingdoms of those countries, when they had heard that the Lord fought against the enemies of Israel. So the realm of Jehoshaphat was quiet: for his God gave him rest round about. (2 Chronicles 20:29, 30 KJV)

With him is an arm of flesh; but with us is the Lord our God to help us, and to fight our battles. And the people rested themselves upon the words of Hezekiah king of Judah. (2 Chronicles 32:8 KJV)

But after they had rest, they did evil again before thee: therefore leftest thou them in the hand of their enemies, so that they had the dominion over them: yet when they returned, and cried unto thee, thou heardest them from heaven; and many times didst thou deliver them according to thy mercies; (Nehemiah 9:28 KJV)


The people who rested upon the words of Hezekiah, did it dimish their obligation to keeping the Sabbath Commandment? How does, resting upon the words of Jesus, diminish from having to keep a Commandment? Jesus says, "Come unto me, and I will give you rest", and somehow this is supposed to mean, come to me, and forget my commandment?

Proverbs 28:9 He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination.
 

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Unless you are filled with the Spirit of Christ now and forevermore, you can only imagine the true Sabbath Rest. Until then, the verses you cited are only "types" and "shadows" of the True Sabbath fulfilled in Christ. Don't confuse natural with Spiritual. The true Sabbath is perfect only in the Ultimate, which is in Spirit of course. This is the difference between being "of the letter under the law" compared to we who are of the Spirit Given to know and receive all things and Rest Now in Christ. Living Now in the Land of Promise, all by Faith, all by the Spirit of Christ, our Head. O that you could see what I see dear brother!

Peace

(1Co 15:46)

Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
 

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The Sabbath Law - what was it?

Gen 2:2-3 God rested on seventh day and blessed and sanctified it.

Exodus 35:2 Command given to make it a holy day of rest to Yahweh – if worked you would die!

Exodus 20:8-11 Six days to work, seven to rest as God did.

Num 15:30-31 Any ignore Gods laws with a high hand will be cut off
-35 Man gathering sticks on seventh day.

Mark 2:27 Sabbath day made for man to teach him principles.

How long did God intend this Sabbath Law to continue?

Exodus 31:16-17KJV God only intended law to continue for a hidden period.

Gal 3:19 Law was only added till seed should come.

Gal 3:24 It was given as a school master to bring us to Christ

Why Don’t we need to keep Sabbath Law today?

Gal 3:24 Law was given to bring us to Christ

Heb 10:1 Law a shadow not substance

Col 2:17 Sabbath a shadow of things to come

Gal 2:14 Question asked why Gentiles should live as Jews

Rom 3:19 Only applied to those under the law.

Col 2:14 Christ took the law out of the way

Gal 3:19 Law a teacher till Christ comes

Gal 3:13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law

2 Cor 3:6 Keep the spirit of the law not the letter.

Num 28:8 Priest did double the work on Sabbath day and were blameless

John 5:16-17 Christ worked on the Sabbath day doing his fathers work which was to restore then Sabbath rest.

We must keep Sabbath principles seven days a week - Christ fulfilled the Sabbath principles everyday as per Isaiah 58:13,14

“Christ kept the Sabbath Principles perfectly”

John 5:30 Refrained from doing his pleasure

Psalm 40:8 Saw law of God as a delight

John 17:4 Honoured his Father always

John 4:34 Ceased from doing his own works

John 14:10 Did not speak his own words

Heb 4:9-10 There remains a Sabbath keeping for us.

John 5:16-17 Man broke the Sabbath in Eden – Christ sent to restore it.

Raeneske, once a complete view of the Law is revealed to you, its sacrifices, the holy days, feasts and every letter, you will cease to keep days and weeks or years, but rather focus as Christ did - for what did he say?

John 5:17.

And why did he say it?

Because those ignorant men in John 5:16 could not see everything contained within this post...they did what you are doing....upholding a religious system, rather than practicising truth.

Keep on defending whatever religious body you belong too, but know this, and know it well, when Christ comes be very prepared for repentence and change or perish.

TGG.
 

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whitestone said:
Unless you are filled with the Spirit of Christ now and forevermore, you can only imagine the true Sabbath Rest. Until then, the verses you cited are only "types" and "shadows" of the True Sabbath fulfilled in Christ. Don't confuse natural with Spiritual. The true Sabbath is perfect only in the Ultimate, which is in Spirit of course. This is the difference between being "of the letter under the law" compared to we who are of the Spirit Given to know and receive all things and Rest Now in Christ. Living Now in the Land of Promise, all by Faith, all by the Spirit of Christ, our Head. O that you could see what I see dear brother!

Peace

(1Co 15:46)

Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
The Law of God, the 10 Commandments, are an eternal reality. The Sabbath Commandment, was not classed with the Moral Law by a mere whim of God. The other 9 Commandments have eternally binding claims, for the goodness and wellbeing of all mankind to be in harmony. The Sabbath Commandment is no different in regards to the eternal realities of it. One Day out of the Seven to spend entirely with the Creator God, and close fellowship with others whilest glorifying God, is not sin. It is a statement of our love, and dedication to Him, that we will take time out of our supposedly busy lives, and spend an entire day with Him.

Thegoodground said:
The Sabbath Law - what was it?

Gen 2:2-3 God rested on seventh day and blessed and sanctified it.

Exodus 35:2 Command given to make it a holy day of rest to Yahweh – if worked you would die!

Exodus 20:8-11 Six days to work, seven to rest as God did.

Num 15:30-31 Any ignore Gods laws with a high hand will be cut off
-35 Man gathering sticks on seventh day.

Mark 2:27 Sabbath day made for man to teach him principles.

How long did God intend this Sabbath Law to continue?

Exodus 31:16-17KJV God only intended law to continue for a hidden period.

Gal 3:19 Law was only added till seed should come.

Gal 3:24 It was given as a school master to bring us to Christ

Why Don’t we need to keep Sabbath Law today?

Gal 3:24 Law was given to bring us to Christ

Heb 10:1 Law a shadow not substance

Col 2:17 Sabbath a shadow of things to come

Gal 2:14 Question asked why Gentiles should live as Jews

Rom 3:19 Only applied to those under the law.

Col 2:14 Christ took the law out of the way

Gal 3:19 Law a teacher till Christ comes

Gal 3:13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law

2 Cor 3:6 Keep the spirit of the law not the letter.

Num 28:8 Priest did double the work on Sabbath day and were blameless

John 5:16-17 Christ worked on the Sabbath day doing his fathers work which was to restore then Sabbath rest.

We must keep Sabbath principles seven days a week - Christ fulfilled the Sabbath principles everyday as per Isaiah 58:13,14

“Christ kept the Sabbath Principles perfectly”

John 5:30 Refrained from doing his pleasure

Psalm 40:8 Saw law of God as a delight

John 17:4 Honoured his Father always

John 4:34 Ceased from doing his own works

John 14:10 Did not speak his own words

Heb 4:9-10 There remains a Sabbath keeping for us.

John 5:16-17 Man broke the Sabbath in Eden – Christ sent to restore it.

Raeneske, once a complete view of the Law is revealed to you, its sacrifices, the holy days, feasts and every letter, you will cease to keep days and weeks or years, but rather focus as Christ did - for what did he say?

John 5:17.

And why did he say it?

Because those ignorant men in John 5:16 could not see everything contained within this post...they did what you are doing....upholding a religious system, rather than practicising truth.

Keep on defending whatever religious body you belong too, but know this, and know it well, when Christ comes be very prepared for repentence and change or perish.

TGG.
Okay, let’s look at the verses you presented.
In Genesis we do find that God then blessed the 7th Day Sabbath, and made it Holy. In Exodus 35:2, we find that the law breaker of the Sabbath was put to death. Much like those who broke the Commandment of adultery, was surely to be put to death.
Leviticus 20:10 - And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.
We find in Exodus 20:8-11 the 4th Commandment. Here we can find that God did in fact set apart the Sabbath Day for Holy use, and we can find that the Sabbath Commandment bears the signature of the Lord of God over all of His creation. In Numbers 15:30-35, we can find God’s distaste for Sabbath breakers. In Mark 2:23-28 we can see that Jesus says the Sabbath is made for man, and not man for the Sabbath. The Sabbath Day was supposed to be a day of rest that man could spend with his Creator. There was no need for a man to starve himself on the Sabbath day – how would starving oneself be restful? It is a day to recuperate, not starve yourself from basic human needs.
Exodus 3:16-17 show that indeed the Sabbath was a perpetual covenant. Greater truth could be understood here when one recognizes the binding claims of the Sabbath. As it was perpetual, for Israel, and all their generations to come. We, though not the literal physical Israel, are Israel of the Spirit. All those who were Christ’s seed were to become Abrahams seed as well, and heirs according to the promise. Also, we are grafted in with natural Israel, though we were at first wild olives. Galatians 3:19-24 refers to a law that was added because of transgressions. Is worshipping God only something that was added because of sin? Or is that something that was an eternal reality? It’s an eternal reality. Christ was the seed that was promised to come because of sin, thus the law of sacrifices was added. Sacrificing animals was never something that was an eternal reality. But, not murdering, or not worshipping other Gods? That is very eternal. 9/10 Precepts, I’m sure many would agree are eternally binding, whether they say we should focus on the law, or not. It matters not, these are eternally binding claims, that promote peace, unity, and harmony within God’s Universe. God purposely, not arbitrarily, classed the Sabbath Commandment with the Eternal Law of God.
Now, let’s apply the eternal realities, to the next verses you stated. Galatians 2:24 does state that the law was to bring people to Christ, but even the OT sacrifices were to bring people to Christ. The lamb of God, without blemish, all these were perfect realities, to teach one of the accomplishment Jesus Christ was to do. The ceremonial law, was a shadow of things to come. It only preached Christ to the best of a shadow’s ability. The 10 Commandments also are related to Christ, but not as shadows. They are a direct transcript of Jesus Christ. His love for His Father and His Love for humanity are portrayed in the Commandments. Those who mimic Christ, will do the same, obeying the precepts that command our love of God, and obeying the precepts which command out love towards humanity. Colosians 2:17 warrants the same type of response. Galatians 2:14 shows an example of Jews imposing Jewish rites, and customs upon Gentile converts; Jews had no right to impose things such as circumcision upon the new Gentile believers. The Law of God, is not something that was solely classed for humanity. Even the angels keep the commandments of God (the real ones, at least), which you can find in Psalm 103:20 - Bless the Lord, ye his angels, that excel in strength, that do his commandments, hearkening unto the voice of his word. Clearly then, the commandments of God are not the issue of that which was being pushed onto the Gentiles. Romans 3:19 does not say that the law only applies to them that are under the law, as that would contradict the testimony in Romans 3:31. The final comment in this chapter asks if the Law of God is gone, because of our faith. “God forbid” is the answer. Once again, Colossians 2:14 is not saying Christ took away the 10 Commandment Law, but rather the laws contained in ordinances, that being the ceremonial laws. Christ does not nail “Thou shalt not kill” to the cross.
Galatians 3:13 is a strong point. Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law. Now, what is the curse of the law? The Law itself? Absolutely not.
Deuteronomy 11:27-28 A blessing, if ye obey the commandments of the Lord your God, which I command you this day: And a curse, if ye will not obey the commandments of the Lord your God, but turn aside out of the way which I command you this day, to go after other gods, which ye have not known.

It is indeed the spirit of the law, which gives life, as the letter kills according to 2nd Corinthians 3:6. But, if you keep the Spirit of the Law, you shall also be keeping the letter of the law, instead of aiming straightway for the letter, and forgetting the spirit of the law.

Numbers 28:8 is not an argument for not keeping the Sabbath. The priests did/do perform more work, teaching their congregations on the Sabbath day. Is this sin? To those who cannot see past the letter, probably. But to those who can see the spirit of the law, can understand that it is not God’s will that the up building of His Kingdom shall be put away for an entire day. Why, this was the perfect day to serve God. Certainly then, there is no sin in doing spiritual work on the Sabbath Day. This same thing can be said for John 5:15-16. Except I would take John 5:15-16 back to encompass more, that being John 5:14-19. Christ healed a man, and showed that the man’s issue came upon him because of his sins. Hence, Christ forgave the man saying “Go, and sin no more”. What more ways could God be glorified on the Sabbath Day than this? A sinner healed, brought to repentance to be once again reconciled with our Father in Heaven. Certainly then, this neither is an argument for not keeping the Sabbath.

The Sabbath principles, you have stated were in Isaiah 58:13-14. If anyone was to look at these principles, and took all the principles of the Sabbath in, they would see the utter impossibility it was to keep the Sabbath Day for 7 days a week. Not doing your own pleasure, nor your own thoughts? Goodbye video games, television, football, hanging out with friends, etc. Not to mention, even bothering to go to a secular job.

As for the positives, Christ did in fact keep the Sabbath perfectly. That’s our sinless Saviour for you. As for Hebrews 4:9-10, you are right, there does remain a Sabbath keeping for us. If Jesus had given us rest, wouldn’t he also have spoken of another day. Here still shows the binding claims of the Sabbath. Show me where Jesus contended with the Pharisees for any other day being Sabbath other than the Sabbath Day. And did He not himself state the Sabbath was made for man, and that not a jot or tittle in the law should change? What about in Hebrews 4:4, where it shows God was speaking about the 7th day? Of course there still remains a keeping Sabbath for us, that’s what I have been trying to state this entire time. John 5:16-17 does not make any sense, because you said something about Adam and Eve breaking the Sabbath. I’m sure then, that would have been the cause of their fall if they indeed have.

The religious men in Jesus’s day, couldn’t even keep the Sabbath. There error was not keeping the Sabbath, but rather their legalistic opinions, and them making void the law of God, where the Law of God is eternal. The Law of God still stands, and shall stand for all eternity.
 

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Raeneske said:
The Law of God, the 10 Commandments, are an eternal reality. The Sabbath Commandment, was not classed with the Moral Law by a mere whim of God. The other 9 Commandments have eternally binding claims, for the goodness and wellbeing of all mankind to be in harmony. The Sabbath Commandment is no different in regards to the eternal realities of it. One Day out of the Seven to spend entirely with the Creator God, and close fellowship with others whilest glorifying God, is not sin. It is a statement of our love, and dedication to Him, that we will take time out of our supposedly busy lives, and spend an entire day with Him.



Okay, let’s look at the verses you presented.
In Genesis we do find that God then blessed the 7th Day Sabbath, and made it Holy. In Exodus 35:2, we find that the law breaker of the Sabbath was put to death. Much like those who broke the Commandment of adultery, was surely to be put to death.
Leviticus 20:10 - And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.
We find in Exodus 20:8-11 the 4th Commandment. Here we can find that God did in fact set apart the Sabbath Day for Holy use, and we can find that the Sabbath Commandment bears the signature of the Lord of God over all of His creation. In Numbers 15:30-35, we can find God’s distaste for Sabbath breakers. In Mark 2:23-28 we can see that Jesus says the Sabbath is made for man, and not man for the Sabbath. The Sabbath Day was supposed to be a day of rest that man could spend with his Creator. There was no need for a man to starve himself on the Sabbath day – how would starving oneself be restful? It is a day to recuperate, not starve yourself from basic human needs.
Exodus 3:16-17 show that indeed the Sabbath was a perpetual covenant. Greater truth could be understood here when one recognizes the binding claims of the Sabbath. As it was perpetual, for Israel, and all their generations to come. We, though not the literal physical Israel, are Israel of the Spirit. All those who were Christ’s seed were to become Abrahams seed as well, and heirs according to the promise. Also, we are grafted in with natural Israel, though we were at first wild olives. Galatians 3:19-24 refers to a law that was added because of transgressions. Is worshipping God only something that was added because of sin? Or is that something that was an eternal reality? It’s an eternal reality. Christ was the seed that was promised to come because of sin, thus the law of sacrifices was added. Sacrificing animals was never something that was an eternal reality. But, not murdering, or not worshipping other Gods? That is very eternal. 9/10 Precepts, I’m sure many would agree are eternally binding, whether they say we should focus on the law, or not. It matters not, these are eternally binding claims, that promote peace, unity, and harmony within God’s Universe. God purposely, not arbitrarily, classed the Sabbath Commandment with the Eternal Law of God.
Now, let’s apply the eternal realities, to the next verses you stated. Galatians 2:24 does state that the law was to bring people to Christ, but even the OT sacrifices were to bring people to Christ. The lamb of God, without blemish, all these were perfect realities, to teach one of the accomplishment Jesus Christ was to do. The ceremonial law, was a shadow of things to come. It only preached Christ to the best of a shadow’s ability. The 10 Commandments also are related to Christ, but not as shadows. They are a direct transcript of Jesus Christ. His love for His Father and His Love for humanity are portrayed in the Commandments. Those who mimic Christ, will do the same, obeying the precepts that command our love of God, and obeying the precepts which command out love towards humanity. Colosians 2:17 warrants the same type of response. Galatians 2:14 shows an example of Jews imposing Jewish rites, and customs upon Gentile converts; Jews had no right to impose things such as circumcision upon the new Gentile believers. The Law of God, is not something that was solely classed for humanity. Even the angels keep the commandments of God (the real ones, at least), which you can find in Psalm 103:20 - Bless the Lord, ye his angels, that excel in strength, that do his commandments, hearkening unto the voice of his word. Clearly then, the commandments of God are not the issue of that which was being pushed onto the Gentiles. Romans 3:19 does not say that the law only applies to them that are under the law, as that would contradict the testimony in Romans 3:31. The final comment in this chapter asks if the Law of God is gone, because of our faith. “God forbid” is the answer. Once again, Colossians 2:14 is not saying Christ took away the 10 Commandment Law, but rather the laws contained in ordinances, that being the ceremonial laws. Christ does not nail “Thou shalt not kill” to the cross.
Galatians 3:13 is a strong point. Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law. Now, what is the curse of the law? The Law itself? Absolutely not.
Deuteronomy 11:27-28 A blessing, if ye obey the commandments of the Lord your God, which I command you this day: And a curse, if ye will not obey the commandments of the Lord your God, but turn aside out of the way which I command you this day, to go after other gods, which ye have not known.

It is indeed the spirit of the law, which gives life, as the letter kills according to 2nd Corinthians 3:6. But, if you keep the Spirit of the Law, you shall also be keeping the letter of the law, instead of aiming straightway for the letter, and forgetting the spirit of the law.

Numbers 28:8 is not an argument for not keeping the Sabbath. The priests did/do perform more work, teaching their congregations on the Sabbath day. Is this sin? To those who cannot see past the letter, probably. But to those who can see the spirit of the law, can understand that it is not God’s will that the up building of His Kingdom shall be put away for an entire day. Why, this was the perfect day to serve God. Certainly then, there is no sin in doing spiritual work on the Sabbath Day. This same thing can be said for John 5:15-16. Except I would take John 5:15-16 back to encompass more, that being John 5:14-19. Christ healed a man, and showed that the man’s issue came upon him because of his sins. Hence, Christ forgave the man saying “Go, and sin no more”. What more ways could God be glorified on the Sabbath Day than this? A sinner healed, brought to repentance to be once again reconciled with our Father in Heaven. Certainly then, this neither is an argument for not keeping the Sabbath.

The Sabbath principles, you have stated were in Isaiah 58:13-14. If anyone was to look at these principles, and took all the principles of the Sabbath in, they would see the utter impossibility it was to keep the Sabbath Day for 7 days a week. Not doing your own pleasure, nor your own thoughts? Goodbye video games, television, football, hanging out with friends, etc. Not to mention, even bothering to go to a secular job.

As for the positives, Christ did in fact keep the Sabbath perfectly. That’s our sinless Saviour for you. As for Hebrews 4:9-10, you are right, there does remain a Sabbath keeping for us. If Jesus had given us rest, wouldn’t he also have spoken of another day. Here still shows the binding claims of the Sabbath. Show me where Jesus contended with the Pharisees for any other day being Sabbath other than the Sabbath Day. And did He not himself state the Sabbath was made for man, and that not a jot or tittle in the law should change? What about in Hebrews 4:4, where it shows God was speaking about the 7th day? Of course there still remains a keeping Sabbath for us, that’s what I have been trying to state this entire time. John 5:16-17 does not make any sense, because you said something about Adam and Eve breaking the Sabbath. I’m sure then, that would have been the cause of their fall if they indeed have.

The religious men in Jesus’s day, couldn’t even keep the Sabbath. There error was not keeping the Sabbath, but rather their legalistic opinions, and them making void the law of God, where the Law of God is eternal. The Law of God still stands, and shall stand for all eternity.
Yes, I live in the eternal reality of the Law of Life and Love in which the ten commandents and every other commandment of God is written on my heart apart and separate from the Law of Moses thank you Jesus!
As a former Jew, I thank Jesus continually that He delivered me from the bondage of that old Mosaic Law system of sin and death that cursed me with not seeing past types and shadows as shown here on this website thread.
And Thank you Jesus for Giving me Rest forever from the Law of Sin and Death. Thank you for giving me to die to myself and cease from my own labors in the Land of Promise in which I dwell. Thank you for visiting upon me the reality of your True Rest which so exceeds the O.T. sabbath rest as different as day and night. Thank you for giving us eyes to see and ears to hear to know our True Sabbath Rest in your Holy Spirit Forever.

Thank you Jesus!
 

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Jesus never prescribed the keeping of the fourth commandment whenever an opportunity of describing what commandments to keep were presented. Instead by word and deed we believe that He expected everyone to keep every day alike.

This must be a real concern to your belief system.

There is so much error in your reply it is impossible for me to reprove every instance, but lets consider one.

Your said "Exo 31:16,17 show that indeed the Sabbath was a perpetual covenant."

Does it? Here it is in the AV

Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant. (Exo 31:16)

How long did the Sinai convenant last? Gal 3:19 "till the seed"

Why till Jesus Come? What was introduced when he come?

This was a poor use of the Word and should one be corrected in one point then how many more are in question.

Perpetual: ‛ôlâm ‛ôlâm from H5956; properly concealed, that is, the vanishing point;

and the sons of Israel have observed the sabbath; to keep the sabbath to their generations is a covenant age-during, (Exo 31:16)

Often the word Olahm is used to convey and hidden period of time; so your position of wresting this verse to mean God will always be bound for eternity to make the 7th day a Sabbath, is rather poor on your part. Certainly it only takes a very light read of the Gospel to see Christ was not bound by the Sabbath Law (letter).

In fact Raeneske - the Lord indicated that we were supposed to take up our cross DAILY and follow him. This meant that we were to put to death the natural man at ALL times and do the will of God instead. And you suggest one should be stoned for not doing this?

Who would stand? could you? do you take up your cross everyday without putting it down?

This is what the Sabbath taught...there was to be no opportunity to ever serve one's self again! This fact is clearly established in Col 2:8-23, particularly noting verses Col 2:16-17

I would be interest to hear you admit your misrepresentation of Exod 31 to show you at least have a measure of humility.

TGG
 

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Raeneske,

now if God was to walk upon this earth, and give you a Rose, a perfect Rose, and give it to you saying,

Here, take this, it is my perfect gift to you, no obligation, no cost, yours because I love you.

What would you do.

1. Reject it outright.
2. Accept it but only if you could pay fir it, earn it, ( no longer a gift)
3. Accept it than try and improve on it
4. Accept it outright.

The first one, you reject His Gift you reject Him, the second 2 are the flesh, trying to earn salvation through works, telling God and Jesus there Free gift is not good enough for you, which makes it no longer a gift.

So Tell me is His Gift not good enough for you, what can you do to improve on it.

In All His Love
 

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Raeneske,

now if God was to walk upon this earth, and give you a Rose, a perfect Rose, and give it to you saying,

Here, take this, it is my perfect gift to you, no obligation, no cost, yours because I love you.

What would you do.

1. Reject it outright.
2. Accept it but only if you could pay fir it, earn it, ( no longer a gift)
3. Accept it than try and improve on it
4. Accept it outright.

The first one, you reject His Gift you reject Him, the second 2 are the flesh, trying to earn salvation through works, telling God and Jesus there Free gift is not good enough for you, which makes it no longer a gift.

So Tell me is His Gift not good enough for you, what can you do to improve on it.

In All His Love
Here is the problem with your non-scriptural choices...

Heb 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
 

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whitestone said:
Yes, I live in the eternal reality of the Law of Life and Love in which the ten commandents and every other commandment of God is written on my heart apart and separate from the Law of Moses thank you Jesus!
As a former Jew, I thank Jesus continually that He delivered me from the bondage of that old Mosaic Law system of sin and death that cursed me with not seeing past types and shadows as shown here on this website thread.
And Thank you Jesus for Giving me Rest forever from the Law of Sin and Death. Thank you for giving me to die to myself and cease from my own labors in the Land of Promise in which I dwell. Thank you for visiting upon me the reality of your True Rest which so exceeds the O.T. sabbath rest as different as day and night. Thank you for giving us eyes to see and ears to hear to know our True Sabbath Rest in your Holy Spirit Forever.

Thank you Jesus!
You were not delivered from keeping the 10 Commandments; you were delivered from sin, death, and from having to keep the Mosaic Law. The “yoke of bondage” is the old sacrifices, ceremonial law. The Law of liberty shall judge all men. The 7th Day Sabbath was not classed with the 10 Commandments for no reason. The word “Remember” is not in the 4th Commandment for no reason. James did not tell you that to keep the whole law, yet offend in one point is to be guilty of all, for no reason.

There is no such thing as being delivered from having to keep the 10 Commandments. To break those commandments, purposely, repeatedly, is to become a servant of sin.


Thegoodground said:
Raeneske

Jesus never prescribed the keeping of the fourth commandment whenever an opportunity of describing what commandments to keep were presented. Instead by word and deed we believe that He expected everyone to keep every day alike.

This must be a real concern to your belief system.

There is so much error in your reply it is impossible for me to reprove every instance, but lets consider one.

Your said "Exo 31:16,17 show that indeed the Sabbath was a perpetual covenant."

Does it? Here it is in the AV

Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant. (Exo 31:16)

How long did the Sinai convenant last? Gal 3:19 "till the seed"

Why till Jesus Come? What was introduced when he come?

This was a poor use of the Word and should one be corrected in one point then how many more are in question.

Perpetual: ‛ôlâm ‛ôlâm from H5956; properly concealed, that is, the vanishing point;

and the sons of Israel have observed the sabbath; to keep the sabbath to their generations is a covenant age-during, (Exo 31:16)

Often the word Olahm is used to convey and hidden period of time; so your position of wresting this verse to mean God will always be bound for eternity to make the 7th day a Sabbath, is rather poor on your part. Certainly it only takes a very light read of the Gospel to see Christ was not bound by the Sabbath Law (letter).

In fact Raeneske - the Lord indicated that we were supposed to take up our cross DAILY and follow him. This meant that we were to put to death the natural man at ALL times and do the will of God instead. And you suggest one should be stoned for not doing this?

Who would stand? could you? do you take up your cross everyday without putting it down?

This is what the Sabbath taught...there was to be no opportunity to ever serve one's self again! This fact is clearly established in Col 2:8-23, particularly noting verses Col 2:16-17

I would be interest to hear you admit your misrepresentation of Exod 31 to show you at least have a measure of humility.

TGG
There is a difference between the 10 Commandments, and the Mosaic Law. The Mosaic Law was till the seed should come. Not the 10 Commandments. They shall all exist for all eternity. So, there is no problem with those words, as they completely harmonize with what the word of God is teaching.

Of course Christ was bound by the Sabbath Law. If Christ broke that commandment, He wouldn’t have been sinless. It’s just that Christ showed that the legalistic Pharisees were wrong. And now it’s time for the light to shine upon the world, that they’re wrong. Christ never proscribed the legalism in which the Pharisees were putting there. Christ also never broke the Sabbath, nor did He do away with it. None of Christ’s teachings show that the Sabbath was replaced. He magnified the Sabbath, and made it honourable. John the Revelator kept the Sabbath. The Apostles chose the Sabbath to evangelize many of the Jews. Christ kept the Sabbath the correct way. The Author of Hebrews showed that the Sabbath still remained.

The Sabbath is a perpetual covenant, and it shall stand for all eternity. “Twas classed with the moral law”, has never ringed more true. The attempt to do away with the Sabbath, has lead mankind to attempt to do away with the entire law. “They shall think to change times and laws”, where Christ said “Not one jot or tittle shall in no wise pass from the law”. The Sabbath taught man to look back to His creator. As was also in old Testament, the “showbread” was changed every Sabbath, on the Sabbath. The bread, being the word of God, is taught upon every Sabbath, within the New Testament. On Sabbath was a perfect day to learn the oracles of God.

None think the covenant with God and man, concerning God’s rainbow, is gone do they? Of course not, this would be silly. Well, look again at the 10 Commandments, and show me what day was classed with the 10 Commandments. What was not classed with the 10 Commandments? The ceremonial sabbaths. What was classed? The 7th Day Sabbath. God has called the 7th Day Sabbath a perpetual covenant, after all the Sabbath “was made for man” and not only the Jew. Show me why you would think it’s Okay to break the other 9 commandments, purposely and willfully. None in their right mind would do so. The Sabbath was carefully, purposely, stated with the word “remember”, whilest also being classed with the Moral Law. If it had been classed with the ceremonial sabbaths, that would be one thing. But because it was not, it shows how perpetual that covenant shall ever be.


mjrhealth said:
Raeneske,

now if God was to walk upon this earth, and give you a Rose, a perfect Rose, and give it to you saying,

Here, take this, it is my perfect gift to you, no obligation, no cost, yours because I love you.

What would you do.

1. Reject it outright.
2. Accept it but only if you could pay fir it, earn it, ( no longer a gift)
3. Accept it than try and improve on it
4. Accept it outright.

The first one, you reject His Gift you reject Him, the second 2 are the flesh, trying to earn salvation through works, telling God and Jesus there Free gift is not good enough for you, which makes it no longer a gift.

So Tell me is His Gift not good enough for you, what can you do to improve on it.

In All His Love
I would accept the rose, for how can you improve upon the perfect One? However, has the perfect One given the gift, and decided that we need not obey Him? Shall we have the rose no matter what, if we trample upon the Lord’s truth? Absolutely not. I cannot improve upon Christ’s sacrifice, it is an impossibility, for I am a mere mortal. Upon giving you the free gift, did Christ go “Congratulations, now go an sin, and break every single one of those commandments”, or did he say, “Sin no more”?

And John had a good answer, I shall repost it:
Hebrews 5:9 - And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
 

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vanity all Vanity, and the flesh.

Can keeping the Sabbath save you? NO
Can keeping any of the laws save you? NO
Will God stop loving you if you dont keep the law or Sabbath? NO
Does keeping teh Law improve your spirituality?? NO
Does any of these things have anything to do with your salvation? NO
Does doing any of this foolishness attain anything?? NO

So does it help you in any way?? NO

But it does lead to sin, death,judgement and Bondage.

Your choice.

Without faith you can not please God!

VPsa_40:6 Sacrifice and offering thou didst not desire; mine ears hast thou opened: burnt offering and sin offering hast thou not required

1Sa_15:22 And Samuel said, Hath the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.

Hos_6:6 For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.

Amo 5:21 I hate, I despise your feast days, and I will not smell in your solemn assemblies.
Amo 5:22 Though ye offer me burnt offerings and your meat offerings, I will not accept them: neither will I regard the peace offerings of your fat beasts.

Something so many Christians need,

REVELATION

In all His Love
 

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mjrhealth said:
vanity all Vanity, and the flesh.

Can keeping the Sabbath save you? NO
Can keeping any of the laws save you? NO
Will God stop loving you if you dont keep the law or Sabbath? NO
Does keeping teh Law improve your spirituality?? NO
Does any of these things have anything to do with your salvation? NO
Does doing any of this foolishness attain anything?? NO

So does it help you in any way?? NO

But it does lead to sin, death,judgement and Bondage.

Your choice.

Without faith you can not please God!

VPsa_40:6 Sacrifice and offering thou didst not desire; mine ears hast thou opened: burnt offering and sin offering hast thou not required

1Sa_15:22 And Samuel said, Hath the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.

Hos_6:6 For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.

Amo 5:21 I hate, I despise your feast days, and I will not smell in your solemn assemblies.
Amo 5:22 Though ye offer me burnt offerings and your meat offerings, I will not accept them: neither will I regard the peace offerings of your fat beasts.

Something so many Christians need,

REVELATION

In all His Love
1 John 2:3-4 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Proverb 28:9 He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination.

Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Revelation 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.


Conclusion for the matter?

Ecclesiates 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.

Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.