The pre-tribulational rapture

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So now you think im a liar :rolleyes:

For what its worth i will explain why i underlined and bolded those parts...

only god knows those who are his..,

anyone can call themselves a Church or Christian, but it doesnt make it so, as many will say to him Lord Lord but he never knew them.

among you...,

In the Church there will be false teachers among us.

many will follow...,

Many in the Church will follow after false teaching.

The point of me doing that was to show that there is a falling away from sound Apostolic doctrines from within the Church.

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Sorry but i dont believe you have corrected me at all,... but this is a work in progress for us all i would have thought.

It's a common thing on forums for people to question someones salvation and call them things like false prophets when they get backed into a corner and then corrected.
I didn't say you're a liar. I don't understand your motives for posting false prophet verses etc. and bolding them out. I just don't believe the ambiguous reason why you posted them....
Let's just let it go.
 

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Where is this rapture scripture at?
Where is the scripture that says anyone is going to heaven?
Where is the scripture that says there is a secret coming of Christ to take the vanity of man to heaven to sit on Gods throne??

None of those scriptures exist. It is the imagination of vain men.
 

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SoM, you seem to think being killed is a requirement. Whether that happens to you or not is entirely up to God. When Christ removes his church, he will be removing many out of severe persecution. Others will perhaps be living peacefully. It is not our responsibility to seek martyrdom but to preach the gospel and be found ready when the Lord does come to take us.

God has never removed anyone one from persecution. He helps us through it!

It takes volumes of books to confront and cover all the fabrications. complications, and resulting contradictions of pretribulationism.....and the OP proves it!
Jesus said the gathering occurs after the tribulation. One verse and one truth! That's all I need to understand the rapture!
 

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It's a common thing on forums for people to question someones salvation and call them things like false prophets when they get backed into a corner and then corrected.

Any examples you can link me to?


I didn't say you're a liar.
You dont seem to believe the fact that i didnt call you a false prophet. Your opening remark ( above ) implies that i am one of those people to whome you refer.

Let's just let it go.
 

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Hi kaotic, Your words: "God has never removed anyone one from persecution. He helps us through it"

You accuse pre-trib and pre-wrath rapture believers of offering false hope but your statement does that. Pre-trib maybe, but pre-wrath sees us going through the great trib and suffering the persecution so I don't see why you see that as false hope. Christ says it will be the worse time ever and the reality is that hundreds of millions christians will probably die. Yes, God can help us through it but that doesn't mean He will. It's a trial by fire test for His church that is cut short (via rapture) or their would be no elect (flesh) saved. The main difference as I've showed already is that the great trib is just a short time event within the context of the 70th week. No where in scripture does it imply the great trib is 1260 days or any equivalent time frame. The wrath of the Lamb (trumpet judgments) and the wrath of God (vials) are a time separate from the great trib. The time of Jacob's Trouble is the Jewish equivalent of the great trib, yet still separate.

Helping people to accept the reality of persecution and martyrdom and torture and instructing their children to prepare for these events would be better, than offering a false hope such as this. Did God see the first century church "through it" or did tens of thousands die a martyrs death? Some even fighting for that opportunity. Did God see the apostles through it? or did they all die a martyrs death? Here are a couple of verses that may make things clearer.

Matt. 10:28 - "And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."

Rom. 8:36 - "As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter."
 

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veteran, you reveal the reason for your errors about the rapture's place in the end-times sequence: that you don't understand the role of Israel.

Israel is elect as a nation, not as individuals. Israel is not the same as the church and the promises to Israel, which are nearly all ones concerned with this earth, must be fulfilled to Israel, or God would be forsworn.

The church continues until the full number of the Gentiles is come in, and then the focus switches back to Israel. Ezekiel prophesied their return to their land in unbelief, which has begun and is still continuing. The tribulation of the last 7 years of this age is designed to bring them to repentance. When that finally occurs, Israel will be in their land, on this earth, in the millennial kingdom as chief of the nations, free of all sin.

The only thing that I recognize about you is that you are listening to a bunch of false prophets, and not The Word of God.

And that's why you don't have a clue as to the Biblical meaning regarding God's ISRAEL and both believing Israelite and believing Gentiles as Christ's Church, with their inheriting God's covenants and promises that have continued only in Christ's Church.

So that means either you are deceived by those false prophets, or... you are determined to deceive others with their false doctrines. I haven't decided which just yet, but you're making it easier with every word that comes out of your mouth here.
 

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veteran, if you or others were to respond in detail to all the points I listed that indicate the pre-tribulational rapture of the church, I might be more impressed by such condemnations.
 

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You accuse pre-trib and pre-wrath rapture believers of offering false hope but your statement does that. Pre-trib maybe, but pre-wrath sees us going through the great trib and suffering the persecution so I don't see why you see that as false hope.

Pre-tribbers are pretty much prewrath anyway. I don't really know all the fabrications of pre-wrath very. BUT. You guys brake it down into two times of trouble and/or two raptures. OneJacob's trouble being the 3 1/2 years of which is worse than the first 3 1/2 years. That changes everything because now the day of the Lord is different...and it creats a whole lot of other issues. The pretribbers say there's two raptures. The pre-wrath say there's two different periods of tribulation prophecied in the bible and there are not. I do agree that Jacob's trouble may well be the final part. I just don't agree that you're removed from it. I'm not sure what I believe about Daniels 70th week. And I'm not sure if the trib is 7 years. It appears to be....but maybe not!

The main difference as I've showed already is that the great trib is just a short time event within the context of the 70th week. No where in scripture does it imply the great trib is 1260 days or any equivalent time frame. The wrath of the Lamb (trumpet judgments) and the wrath of God (vials) are a time separate from the great trib. The time of Jacob's Trouble is the Jewish equivalent of the great trib, yet still separate.

See what I bolded. That's the fabrications. And I don't want to move onto the contradictions any more. It contradicts his word to say the Day of the Lord happens at the end of the first 3 1/2 years of tribulation. And then to say you're taken out before "Jacobs Trouble." That's where the contradictions come in and you guys know that so they had to fabricate two tribulations...or two raptures.

What both of you can't prove is that the day of the Lord does begin beofre a 7 or 3 1/2 year tribulation. AND!
We all know Christ returns at the end of tribulation. But you can't prove that he returns any time before that! All I can say it would take a whole lot of fabrication and it does!

Helping people to accept the reality of persecution and martyrdom and torture and instructing their children to prepare for these events would be better, than offering a false hope such as this.

The truth is that everyone on the planet will have to endure the entirety of the tribulation.
One verse, one tribulation, one rapture, one truth. That's what I believe and and why I believe it!. There are no contradictions, no fabrications, no complications.

I'm giving it my best shot. I have food stored and I live out in the woods away from things. We need to be physically prepared as well.
 

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The truth is that everyone on the planet will have to endure the entirety of the tribulation. I'm giving it my best shot..I have food stored and I live out in the woods away from things.
One verse, one tribulation, one rapture, one truth. That's what I believe and and why I believe it!. There are no contradiction, no fabrications, no complications.

Hi Kaotic.

If we are here for the duration of the tribulation we will have a problem reconciling all the scriptures where Jesus said he will come unexpectedly (like a thief in the night )
 

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Hi Kaotic.

If we are here for the duration of the tribulation we will have a problem reconciling all the scriptures where Jesus said he will come unexpectedly (like a thief in the night )

That doesn't fix all the other issues with it.

Because Paul said.
1 Thessalonians 5:1 ¶But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.

Jesus was saying that about the heathen. Not for Christian's. We have end-time signs all over in scripture to indicate to Christians when those days arrive. The heathen may not or even care.

CONTEXT!
 

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Kaotic, Your words: "Because Paul said.
1 Thessalonians 5:1 ¶But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.

Jesus was saying that about the heathen. Not for Christian's. We have end-time signs all over in scripture to indicate to Christians when those days arrive. The heathen may not or even care.

You make a big deal about context but Christ didn't give His word for the heathen. Heathen are not referred to as brethren by Christ or Paul. Paul didn't have to write about the times and the seasons because the Thessalonians were quite aware of the signs and the seasons. It is up to us to use His word to warn the heathen.

I've always said the rapture ( I've never claimed more than one) occurs after the great trib. If you can find a verse in the KJV that says that the "great trib" lasts for 1260 days, I might reconsider my position. Not troubles, trials, persecutions, hardships or whatever other attributes people want to claim is the great trib. Just one verse that says the great trib is 1260 days, a time, times and 1/2 a time, 42 months, or 3 1/2 yrs., that's all I ask for. If you can't find one than you don't have a scriptural leg to stand on. Just a personal opinion, as is my belief but I admit it.
 

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Why did Jesus say this ? ..... Matt24 :42 .... “Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come." .... It will be as in the days of Noah ..... everybody carrying on like normal ... then .... "surprise" ... one will be taken , the other left .... Sounds just like a "sudden" rapture to me.

On the other hand ...... If we were here for the whole thing ...... Jesus would not have said ..... it will be like the days of Noah .... he would have said ...... it will be 7 years of great tribulation and wrath .... and then at the very end I will come in the air and translate your earthly bodies and bring you right back down the same instant.

But we all know he said it will be a surprise.

To have 7 years of great tribulation would not permit a "surprise" rapture at the very end.

[sup]36 [/sup]“But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. [sup]37 [/sup]As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. [sup]38 [/sup]For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; [sup]39 [/sup]and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. [sup]40 [/sup]Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. [sup]41 [/sup]Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left.

For this , and many other reasons I tend to believe the pre-trib rapture as the most likely scenario.
 

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You don't want to be one that is taken.

36 Two men will be in the field: the one will be taken and the other left." 37 And they answered and said to Him, "Where, Lord?" So He said to them, "Wherever the body is, there the eagles will be gathered together."

Theses are taken by those who hunt people for food. The abomination of desolation.

39 and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.
You don't want to be one that the flood takes away.
 

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Your teaching gets stranger every day.

That is what the scripture said.

36 Two men will be in the field: the one will be taken and the other left." 37 And they answered and said to Him, "Where, Lord?" So He said to them, "Wherever the body is, there the eagles will be gathered together."
It is a well known fact that eagles kill their food. they don't eat already dead bodies.
 

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Shalom, oliver.

veteran, you reveal the reason for your errors about the rapture's place in the end-times sequence: that you don't understand the role of Israel.

Israel is elect as a nation, not as individuals. Israel is not the same as the church and the promises to Israel, which are nearly all ones concerned with this earth, must be fulfilled to Israel, or God would be forsworn.

The church continues until the full number of the Gentiles is come in, and then the focus switches back to Israel. Ezekiel prophesied their return to their land in unbelief, which has begun and is still continuing. The tribulation of the last 7 years of this age is designed to bring them to repentance. When that finally occurs, Israel will be in their land, on this earth, in the millennial kingdom as chief of the nations, free of all sin.

You're right about veteran not understanding the role of Isra'el in the end-times sequence, but do you?

Isra'el is more than "elect as a nation." They are "chosen" because THEY ARE MISHPACHAH! THE ARE FAMILY! YaHuWH said of Isra'el,

Malachi 1:1-3
1 The burden of the word of the Lord to Israel by Malachi.
2 I have loved you, saith the Lord. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the Lord: yet I loved Jacob,
3 And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.
KJV


Psalm 47:1-9
1 O clap your hands, all ye people; shout unto God with the voice of triumph.
2 For the Lord most high is terrible; he is a great King over all the earth.
3 He shall subdue the people under us, and the nations under our feet.
4 He shall choose our inheritance for us, the excellency of Jacob whom he loved. Selah.
5 God is gone up with a shout, the Lord with the sound of a trumpet.
6 Sing praises to God, sing praises: sing praises unto our King, sing praises.
7 For God is the King of all the earth: sing ye praises with understanding.
8 God reigneth over the heathen: God sitteth upon the throne of his holiness.
9 The princes of the people are gathered together, even the people of the God of Abraham: for the shields of the earth belong unto God: he is greatly exalted.
KJV


To whom did God say would be His son?

Hosea 11:1
11 When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt.
KJV


Furthermore, not every promise to Isra'el is a physical one about the earth (although a great many are). Consider this one, for instance. It is NOT written to the Gentiles or to the "church!"

Jeremiah 31:31-37
31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord; for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
35 Thus saith the Lord, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The Lord of hosts is his name:
36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the Lord, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.
37 Thus saith the Lord; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the Lord.
KJV


The true beauty of it all is that Gentiles were grafted in among the natural branches when other natural branches were broken off to make room for the branches of a thorny oleander bush (a Russian olive).

Romans 11:11-32
11 “In that case, I say, isn’t it that they have stumbled with the result that they have permanently fallen away?” Heaven forbid! Quite the contrary, it is by means of their stumbling that the deliverance has come to the Gentiles, in order to provoke them to jealousy (Deut. 32:21). 12 Moreover, if their stumbling is bringing riches to the world — that is, if Isra’el’s being placed temporarily in a condition less favored than that of the Gentiles is bringing riches to the latter — how much greater riches will Isra’el in its fullness bring them!

13 However, to those of you who are Gentiles I say this: since I myself am an emissary sent to the Gentiles, I make known the importance of my work 14 in the hope that somehow I may provoke some of my own people to jealousy and save some of them! 15 For if their casting Yeshua aside means reconciliation for the world, what will their accepting him mean? It will be life from the dead! (RESURRECTION!)

16 Now if the hallah (a portion of bread broken off from the loaf used as a wave offering) offered as firstfruits is holy, so is the whole loaf. And if the root is holy, so are the branches. 17 But if some of the branches were broken off, and you — a wild olive — were grafted in among them and have become equal sharers in the rich root of the olive tree, 18 then don’t boast as if you were better than the branches! However, if you do boast, remember that you are not supporting the root, the root is supporting you. 19 So you will say, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” 20 True, but so what? They were broken off because of their lack of trust. However, you keep your place only because of your trust. So don’t be arrogant; on the contrary, be terrified! 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, he certainly won’t spare you! 22 So take a good look at God’s kindness and his severity: on the one hand, severity toward those who fell off; but, on the other hand, God’s kindness toward you — provided you maintain yourself in that kindness! Otherwise, you too will be cut off! 23 Moreover, the others, if they do not persist in their lack of trust, will be grafted in; because God is able to graft them back in. 24 For if you were cut out of what is by nature a wild olive tree (Greek: agrielaiou = "of an oleander") and grafted, contrary to nature, into a cultivated olive tree (Greek: kallielaion = "into a domesticated olive tree"), how much more will these natural branches be grafted back into their own olive tree!

25 For, brothers, I want you to understand this truth which God formerly concealed but has now revealed, so that you won’t imagine you know more than you actually do. It is that stoniness, to a degree, has come upon Isra’el, until the Gentile world enters in its fullness; 26 and that it is in this way that all Isra’el will be saved. As the Tanakh (the Old Testament or Covenant) says,

“Out of Tziyon will come the Redeemer;
he will turn away ungodliness from Ya‘akov
27 and this will be my covenant with them, . . .
when I take away their sins.”


28 With respect to the Good News they are hated for your sake. But with respect to being chosen they are loved for the Patriarchs’ sake, 29 for God’s free gifts and his calling are irrevocable. 30 Just as you yourselves were disobedient to God before but have received mercy now because of Isra’el’s disobedience; 31 so also Isra’el has been disobedient now, so that by your showing them the same mercy that God has shown you, they too may now receive God’s mercy. 32 For God has shut up all mankind together in disobedience, in order that he might show mercy to all.
CJB


Now, in light of all this, how is Isra'el inferior to the "church" in any way? No, we are to be a "church" - a "gathering" - of believers, both Jew (Isra'elite) and Gentile. However, the Gentile believers are grafted in CONTRARY TO NATURE! The believing Jews are grafted INTO THEIR OWN OLIVE TREE! Thus, it is the Gentile believer who is put into the Olive Tree of the Messiah's Kingdom! It is NOT Jews grafted into the "church!"

Your focus on the indwelling of the Ruach haQodesh Elohiym (the Holy Spirit of God) is insufficient to divide these peoples! In fact, the "MIDDLE WALL OF PARTITION IS BROKEN DOWN" between them within the Messiah! It is only OUTSIDE of the Messiah that Isra'el and the Gentiles are separate groups of people!

Dispensationalism, which is different than the pretribulational rapturist point of view in particular but often goes hand in hand with it, is an error! God has NEVER dealt with human beings in different ways after the Fall! They (We) have always been "saved" (or rather, "justified by God") on the basis of His grace, through faith, and by blood! Nothing else would do! So, there's no such thing as a "dispensation of grace" versus a "dispensation of the Law (the TORAH)!" The ONLY difference is that they were looking forward to the Messiah while we look backward to the Messiah and know His name is Yeshua` Natsaret, haMashiach Elohiym l-Melekh Yehudiym, l-Melekh Yisra'el, l-Melekh haMlakhiym! Jesus of Nazareth, the Messiah of God to be King of the Jews, to be King of Isra'el, to be King of Kings!

Thus, it is GENTILE BELIEVERS (to which most refer as the "church") who are given the shot of being added to His Kingdom! The Isra'elites merely must have the "blinders" removed! Once they can see that Yeshua` haMashiach is THEIR PROMISED MESSIAH, everything falls into place for them! It will be GENTILE believers who must re-learn what they think they know when the time of Resurrection, Transformation, and "Rapture" comes and we fly off with the Messiah - not to "heaven," but THROUGH the "heavens" - THROUGH the skies - TO ISRA'EL as the Messiah arrives for the Rescue and the time of His Kingdom (which shall NEVER end, not just for a thousand years) begins!

The Millennium is just the time haSatan ("the Enemy" in Hebrew) is incarcerated in the bottomless pit! And, it is DURING the Millennium in which the parables of Matthew 13 will be fulfilled.

I know that this is a LOT to digest, but there is MUCH that pretribulational rapturists do not understand about their own Jewish roots! I hope this doesn't push you away; I only bring it all up in love, exposing you to truths I have had to learn one piece at a time and hoping that God will give you the grace to see and understand your destiny WITH ISRA'EL!
 

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That is what the scripture said.

36 Two men will be in the field: the one will be taken and the other left." 37 And they answered and said to Him, "Where, Lord?" So He said to them, "Wherever the body is, there the eagles will be gathered together."
It is a well known fact that eagles kill their food. they don't eat already dead bodies.

It is often translated as vultures. And they eat everything dead and rotten.

Besides , Jesus is talking about something else altogether .... (false Christs etc.)

Matt 24 [sup]26 [/sup]“So if anyone tells you, ‘There (Christ) is, ..... out in the wilderness,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here he is, in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. [sup]27 [/sup]For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. [sup]28 [/sup]Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.
 

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Shalom, "Son of Man."

That is what the scripture said.

36 Two men will be in the field: the one will be taken and the other left." 37 And they answered and said to Him, "Where, Lord?" So He said to them, "Wherever the body is, there the eagles will be gathered together."
It is a well known fact that eagles kill their food. they don't eat already dead bodies.

That's NOT what that phrase means! It is an analogy - an idiom - for the first-century hunt for Jews who escaped from the captivity and deportation under the Romans. The Jews were the "body" - the "carcase" - and the Romans (and Roman collaborators) were the "eagles" - the "carrion birds!" The Greek term "aetoi" were not just "eagles" only, but were ANY "soaring birds," literally, "[birds] of the air." True eagles as we distinguish them today do PREFER to kill their own food, but they also will eat relatively fresh kills by others. (Why do all the work when the meat is right there?) However, "vultures" and "buzzards," which also fit in the category of "soaring birds," WILL feast on the carrion - the dead bodies they find. I live in a rural area close to a state park here in Florida, and I have WATCHED both of them! We have a family of red shouldered hawks that live in our neighborhood, and I've watched them drop on critters that THEY didn't kill themselves, too! They like the hunt, but if they can't find a rodent handy and there's a dead rabbit that the ants haven't discovered, yet, it's fair game!

This analogy should not be taken as cannibalism! That's too far OUT THERE!

(LOL!) Arnie beat me to the punch, but he's right! He's more suscinct than I am, too!
 

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It is often translated as vultures. And they eat everything dead and rotten.

Besides , Jesus is talking about something else altogether .... (false Christs etc.)

Matt 24 [sup]26 [/sup]“So if anyone tells you, ‘There (Christ) is, ..... out in the wilderness,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here he is, in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. [sup]27 [/sup]For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. [sup]28 [/sup]Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.

No Arnie, our Lord Jesus was asked the question by His disciples after that same statement in Luke 17, just 'where' the first one 'taken' would be taken to. The first one 'taken' is to those vultures posing as eagles.

The Message is about those eagles being fakes, since real eagles do not go after what is already dead (carrion). Vultures go after what is already dead. Eagles are used as symbols in the OT prophets.

Luke 17:35-37
35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
37 And they answered and said unto Him, "Where, Lord?" And He said unto them, "Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together."
(KJV)

Thus the Luke 17 version gives us more information about the topic of that Matthew 24:28 verse. Got to put the two together. The idea is those are fake 'eagles' the spiritually dead are gathered to, in deception. In Isaiah 28 is where God gave the idea of being 'taken' in deception, snared. That's what He's actually talking about here. The FIRST ONE taken there will be among those fake eagles, which means being among Satan's "many antichrists" servants that work to deceive.

The idea of the woman left grinding at the mill is put for remaining at work, and it's in relation to our Lord's command to stay on watch and not be deceived. His very first warning about the tribulation events was to not allow any man to deceive us (Matt.24).

Just prior to that Luke 17:35 verse our Lord Jesus gave the following idea to go with all that...

Luke 17:33
33 Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.
(KJV)

We have to think a little bit to understand that 33rd verse. It's in relation to the tribulation timing. Who are those who seek to save their life by escaping the tribulation period? The meaning is to not fear flesh death for the tribulation period if it comes to that, for by staying in Christ and suffering that means to have preserved... the life of our spirit and soul in Him, i.e., Eternal Life. Death of our flesh is not to be feared, especially for Christ's servants (Matt.10:28).