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The importance of works.
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Well, I don't know Kepha, maybe you should put me back on ignore. You are not making any sense, now.
[sup]21 [/sup]for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.
It is not the man that is to be revered, but the Spirit of God that spoke and speaks threw them is Holy.
If you continue to reverend men I pray the Lord send you a stone or a donkey. Or will you then sanctify the stone and the animal? rejecting the God causes it to be. My guess would be they would become yet another sacred object paraded before the lost.
Raeneske,
No one goes to heavenas it is the home of God, outside of time and space and there is no scripture that says anything about us being outside of time and space. humble servant of the Lord God Most High
No one goes to heavenas it is the home of God, outside of time and space and there is no scripture that says anything about us being outside of time and space. humble servant of the Lord God Most High
Not to take the Catholic side, but they got it right with regards to the "outside of space and time" heresy.
http://www.crc-internet.org/1343-fifth-heresy-of-ccc.html
http://www.crc-internet.org/1343-fifth-heresy-of-ccc.html
If you are not doing the works of Christ. What makes you think you are Christlike?
If you have the Spirit of Christ you will be doing what Christ did. now see if you can understand this scripture.
Try to understand it for salvation's sake.
Romans 8
9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.
Not to derail the topic, but uh, what about in Revelation where they are in heaven? The angels are in heaven. Are they not allowed to be there because of "outside time and space"? And that being said, what about Jesus preparing a place for us, "where he goes"? So... He didn't ascend to His Father in Heaven......???
Moving on, yes we will be doing the works of Christ. What are the works of Christ? Obediance, the fruit of the spirit, etc.
Raeneske,
Christ will be coming back to earth along with the New Jerusalem, that is the place prepared for you. We will have to keep the Holy Days or suffer not having rain in due season as is stated in scripture, which means there will be time here after the tribulation and Christ's return. Angels are not human and they are able to be here and in Heaven, plus have extraudinary powers that we are not capable of. Christ healed the sick and wounded, works, fed the poor, works, taught Jews, works, even healed Gentiles, works, suffered on the cross, works. Christ did the will of the Father and His works showed His Faith in the Father.
humble servant of the Lord God Most High
Christ will be coming back to earth along with the New Jerusalem, that is the place prepared for you. We will have to keep the Holy Days or suffer not having rain in due season as is stated in scripture, which means there will be time here after the tribulation and Christ's return. Angels are not human and they are able to be here and in Heaven, plus have extraudinary powers that we are not capable of. Christ healed the sick and wounded, works, fed the poor, works, taught Jews, works, even healed Gentiles, works, suffered on the cross, works. Christ did the will of the Father and His works showed His Faith in the Father.
humble servant of the Lord God Most High
Christ will come here to prepare a place for those who are called to the wedding feast. The wedding is here when Christ returns. Where in revelation are they in heaven? Only God is in Heaven. John was in God seeing the vision.
Angel's may be supernatural, but so is Satan, and he is cast out of Heaven. Humans are only a little lower than angels, and yet we cannot enter into Heaven? What does the Bible say we shall be as in the resurrection?
For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven. (Matthew 22:30 KJV)
The angels of God which are in Heaven. Are we resurrected to be on this earth again, before the 1000 years? Jesus is slaying every single human being that follows him not when He comes. The bodies of the dead will be all over the place. Will this be our habitation? Again, just like the jews, so are the Christians. We will be going to Heaven. Shall we be caught up in the air, only to be brought down again, and taken right back down onto this earth, with all the dead bodies all over the place?
For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire. For by fire and by his sword will the Lord plead with all flesh: and the slain of the Lord shall be many. (Isaiah 66:15, 16 KJV)
And...
Therefore prophesy thou against them all these words, and say unto them, The Lord shall roar from on high, and utter his voice from his holy habitation; he shall mightily roar upon his habitation; he shall give a shout, as they that tread the grapes, against all the inhabitants of the earth. A noise shall come even to the ends of the earth; for the Lord hath a controversy with the nations, he will plead with all flesh; he will give them that are wicked to the sword, saith the Lord. Thus saith the Lord of hosts, Behold, evil shall go forth from nation to nation, and a great whirlwind shall be raised up from the coasts of the earth. And the slain of the Lord shall be at that day from one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth: they shall not be lamented, neither gathered, nor buried; they shall be dung upon the ground. (Jeremiah 25:30-33 KJV)
Is this the habitation in which we shall live in during the 1000 years? During that great, and terrible day, all this shall happen. The place prepared for us is in Heaven, not on this planet.
And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season. (Revelation 20:2, 3 KJV)
Why is Satan bound for 1000 years? Because all the wicked are slain, and there is no one left for him to tempt, and to annoy anymore. All the wicked shall be dead, and Jesus and His Saints will not be here. And it matters not who you are. Satan would not be bound if we were on this planet for 1000 years. He would be still free to exercise his deceptive powers. He even tried to get Jesus to sin. He cares not, if he wants to make someone fall, he will try. This earth shall be as a bottomless pit, with all the dead bodies all over the place.
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God. (Revelation 2:7 KJV)
In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. (John 14:2, 3 KJV)
For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel; (Colossians 1:5 KJV)
Moses and Elijah are the types for us in Heaven. Moses died, but was resurected and is in Heaven. Elijah did not die, but was caught up into Heaven. Both these are are types for what shall happen in the last days.
View the post to Sabitarian for more info.
In response to the above post #51, I have to question the idea that Satan is bound for 100 yrs because earth is empty, as it were. A detailed study will show that this 1000 year period is one and the same period as the 1000 year reign of Christ. His promise is that He would return to earth. He returns to reign on it without the interference of Satan. This is why Satan is bound during that time.
It is also promised that the saints from this age, those who are resurrected to new bodies, will reign with Him for this period. Therefore it follows that there would need to be someone here to reign over. The truth is, not everyone on this planet will die during the outpouring of God's wrath on earth. In fact, at the end of the 1000 year period, Satan will be released and will lead many to a battle against the holy city, the New Jerusalem, which will be hovering over this planet. This city is our new place of residence. Though we will reign on this earth with Jesus, we will not reside within it, but rather within the city.
How is it that Satan will lead an army against God if there is no one to lead astray?
It is also promised that the saints from this age, those who are resurrected to new bodies, will reign with Him for this period. Therefore it follows that there would need to be someone here to reign over. The truth is, not everyone on this planet will die during the outpouring of God's wrath on earth. In fact, at the end of the 1000 year period, Satan will be released and will lead many to a battle against the holy city, the New Jerusalem, which will be hovering over this planet. This city is our new place of residence. Though we will reign on this earth with Jesus, we will not reside within it, but rather within the city.
How is it that Satan will lead an army against God if there is no one to lead astray?
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Matt. 5:2-11 - Jesus' teaching of the beatitudes goes beyond faith - being pure, merciful, and peacemakers are all good works. They are acts of the will that are necessary for a right relationship with God.
Matt. 5:16 - Jesus confirms this by teaching, "let your light shine before men that they may see your 'good works' and give glory to God." Good works glorify God and increase our justification before the Father.
Matt. 5:39-42 - give your striker the other cheek, give away your cloak, and go with him two miles. This faith in action, not faith alone.
Matt. 5:44-47 - this means even loving our enemies and praying for those who persecute us. Love is a good work, an act of the will.
Matt. 6:12 - forgive us our sins, not by how much faith we have, but as we forgive those who trespass against us.
Matt. 7:19-23 - just saying "Lord, Lord" and accepting Jesus as personal Savior is not enough. We must also bear the fruit of good works.
Matt. 19:16-22 - Jesus teaches the man to sell all he has and give it to the poor. It is not just about accepting Jesus as personal Lord and Savior. We also need good works by keeping Jesus' commandments.
Matt. 22:39; Mark 12:31 - Jesus says You shall love your neighbor as yourself. Love is a good work - an act of the intellect and will.
Mark 9:39 - Jesus said no one who does good works in His name will be able to soon after speak evil of Him. Good works justify us before God.
Luke 6:46-47 - the Lord asks us to do what he tells us, and that is to keep His commandments, not just "accept" Him as personal Lord and Savior.
Luke 6:20-38 - again, beatitudes, the love of enemies, giving to the needy, forgiving, bearing fruit - all these good works justify a man before God.
Luke 8:21 - Jesus says that His mother and brothers are those who hear the word of God and do it.
John 5:24 - note that "eternal life" here means sanctifying grace (the life of God within us). We can choose to fall from this grace.
John 5:36, 10:37-38 - Jesus emphasizes that His works testify to who He is. We must imitate Christ's works to be more fully united with Him.
John 5:39-42 - knowing the Scriptures is not enough if you do not have love in your heart.
John 8:31-32 - Jesus requires works even from those who believe in Him. Mere belief is not enough.
John 13:34-35 - Jesus gives us a new commandment, that we love one another as He loves us. He commands love which is an act of our will.
John 14:15 - Jesus says, "If you love me, you will keep my commandments." This requires works, not just faith (and not faith alone).
John 14:21 – he who hears my commandments and keeps them, he it is who loves me. This is doing good works for others.
John 15:8 – Jesus requires us to bear the good fruit of works if we are to be His disciples. These fruits are merits in Catholic teaching, all borne from God’s unmerited gift of grace.
John 15:10 - if you keep my commandments, you will abide in my love, as I have kept the Father's commandments.
John 15:12 - this is My commandment that you love one another as I have loved you. Love is both a cause and the fruit of our justification.
Rom. 12:10 - Paul commands us to love one another. Love is a good work, an act of the intellect and will, not just a feeling.
1 Cor. 3:8 – Paul teaches that he who plants and he who waters are equal, and each shall receive his wages according to his labor.
1 Cor. 13:2 – Paul teaches that if our faith moves mountains, but we have not the works of love, we are nothing indeed.
1 Cor. 13:13 - abide in faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love. Love is the greatest work which justifies us (not faith, and most importantly, not faith alone!)
1 Tim. 6:18-19 - we are to do good and be rich in good works thus laying up a good foundation for a chance at eternal life.
Titus 1:16 - people claim to know God, but their deeds deny Him. Like Jesus, it is our works that testify to our faith in Christ.
1 John 2:3-5 - and by this we may be sure that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. This requires good works, not faith alone.
1 John 3:23 - God's commandment is to believe in His Son Jesus and love one another. Belief is not enough, but good works to perfect
that belief.
1 John 4:7-21 - and this commandment we have from Him, that he who loves God should love his brother also. John gives us repeated exhortations to love one another.
1 John 5:2-3 - we know we love God and God's children when we keep His commandments. We need to love which is manifested in good works and not faith alone.
2 John 6 - we must love one another and keep Jesus' commandments. We must cooperate with Christ's grace.
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Matt. 5:2-11 - Jesus' teaching of the beatitudes goes beyond faith - being pure, merciful, and peacemakers are all good works. They are acts of the will that are necessary for a right relationship with God.
Matt. 5:16 - Jesus confirms this by teaching, "let your light shine before men that they may see your 'good works' and give glory to God." Good works glorify God and increase our justification before the Father.
Matt. 5:39-42 - give your striker the other cheek, give away your cloak, and go with him two miles. This faith in action, not faith alone.
Matt. 5:44-47 - this means even loving our enemies and praying for those who persecute us. Love is a good work, an act of the will.
Matt. 6:12 - forgive us our sins, not by how much faith we have, but as we forgive those who trespass against us.
Matt. 7:19-23 - just saying "Lord, Lord" and accepting Jesus as personal Savior is not enough. We must also bear the fruit of good works.
Matt. 19:16-22 - Jesus teaches the man to sell all he has and give it to the poor. It is not just about accepting Jesus as personal Lord and Savior. We also need good works by keeping Jesus' commandments.
Matt. 22:39; Mark 12:31 - Jesus says You shall love your neighbor as yourself. Love is a good work - an act of the intellect and will.
Mark 9:39 - Jesus said no one who does good works in His name will be able to soon after speak evil of Him. Good works justify us before God.
Luke 6:46-47 - the Lord asks us to do what he tells us, and that is to keep His commandments, not just "accept" Him as personal Lord and Savior.
Luke 6:20-38 - again, beatitudes, the love of enemies, giving to the needy, forgiving, bearing fruit - all these good works justify a man before God.
Luke 8:21 - Jesus says that His mother and brothers are those who hear the word of God and do it.
John 5:24 - note that "eternal life" here means sanctifying grace (the life of God within us). We can choose to fall from this grace.
John 5:36, 10:37-38 - Jesus emphasizes that His works testify to who He is. We must imitate Christ's works to be more fully united with Him.
John 5:39-42 - knowing the Scriptures is not enough if you do not have love in your heart.
John 8:31-32 - Jesus requires works even from those who believe in Him. Mere belief is not enough.
John 13:34-35 - Jesus gives us a new commandment, that we love one another as He loves us. He commands love which is an act of our will.
John 14:15 - Jesus says, "If you love me, you will keep my commandments." This requires works, not just faith (and not faith alone).
John 14:21 – he who hears my commandments and keeps them, he it is who loves me. This is doing good works for others.
John 15:8 – Jesus requires us to bear the good fruit of works if we are to be His disciples. These fruits are merits in Catholic teaching, all borne from God’s unmerited gift of grace.
John 15:10 - if you keep my commandments, you will abide in my love, as I have kept the Father's commandments.
John 15:12 - this is My commandment that you love one another as I have loved you. Love is both a cause and the fruit of our justification.
Rom. 12:10 - Paul commands us to love one another. Love is a good work, an act of the intellect and will, not just a feeling.
1 Cor. 3:8 – Paul teaches that he who plants and he who waters are equal, and each shall receive his wages according to his labor.
1 Cor. 13:2 – Paul teaches that if our faith moves mountains, but we have not the works of love, we are nothing indeed.
1 Cor. 13:13 - abide in faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love. Love is the greatest work which justifies us (not faith, and most importantly, not faith alone!)
1 Tim. 6:18-19 - we are to do good and be rich in good works thus laying up a good foundation for a chance at eternal life.
Titus 1:16 - people claim to know God, but their deeds deny Him. Like Jesus, it is our works that testify to our faith in Christ.
1 John 2:3-5 - and by this we may be sure that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. This requires good works, not faith alone.
1 John 3:23 - God's commandment is to believe in His Son Jesus and love one another. Belief is not enough, but good works to perfect
that belief.
1 John 4:7-21 - and this commandment we have from Him, that he who loves God should love his brother also. John gives us repeated exhortations to love one another.
1 John 5:2-3 - we know we love God and God's children when we keep His commandments. We need to love which is manifested in good works and not faith alone.
2 John 6 - we must love one another and keep Jesus' commandments. We must cooperate with Christ's grace.
source
Yep, another robocall from the Vatican telling us we have all won a free trip please press 1 to find out how to collect your prize.
In reply to post # 53, and others like it, I would like to add a commentary.
It absolutely must be understood that the things we do as believers (works) have a source. May I remind everyone that there are many in this world who follow a good conscience, who live a decent moral life, who do good works of love and charity, who are not of the flock of Christ. It is possible to be seen doing good works from something other than faith.
I remind you that Paul reviled the Galatians for attempting to be justified by the law. But is the law not good? Yes it is. So what is my point?
I have come to a conclusion that while what we do is important, in God's eyes there is something He is looking for...and that is WHY we do what we do. If we have this discussion and leave out the motivation for doing good works, then we do an injustice to the subject, and to one another.
For example, if one is doing things in order to be justified, then these are dead works. They cannot accomplish that end.
So let us put this into perspective. There are those who introduce this subject or comment on it, that imply or insist that our works have a part in determining our eternal fate. I will agree with this one one condition; If we allow the scripture to guide us. In the parable of the sower, he whom was cast out was rejected because he buried his talent. This represents a deliberate oppostion to the concept of fruit. The master in this parable informed him that he could have merely put his money in the bank and let it collect interest on its own.
Contrast this with the attacks and inuendo's that often circulate in Christian cirlces. How many people do we suppose who have harsh criticisms of others, think of their own works as being insufficient? None, zero, nada, zilch. I find that most curious and fascinating. There is always an unspoken standard that is somehow involved in the minds of these critics; a standard that they feel they meet but others fail to meet.
So why don't we include in this discussion some kind of standard we can all agree on? I have an answer to that. It is because we cannot find one we can all agree on. But God took care of this when He used the law to condemn all, so that He could have mercy on all. God's standard is perfection. This is why He is responsible for our perfection and not ourselves. Therefore the works we do as believers do not have a standard of acceptablility. It is the motive behind them that is judged, and not the quantity or the quality of the works themselves. The main thing that really matters is that we get on board with the concept, and do not oppose it, as he who buried his talent.
So I have a question; how many Christians do we suppose are in oppostition to the concept of good fruit and good works?
But an even more vital question; how many are motivated in them through fear of loss, self preservation, self righteousness, fear of punishment, self gain, fear of rejection...etc? And how many posts on subject lines like this one will we find such motives being promoted?
FYI, love does not seek its own. Real love is not motivated for self serving purposes. It stands to reason then, that in order to motivate us in the most profitable way, God would want to release us of any worry and fear for our own lives. Thus we see passages of assurance such as that which tells us the Holy Spirit is given as a guarantee of our inheritance. So then God's love is poured out in our hearts and we are released from self preserving motives,.. to love others with the same love that we have in our hearts through our experience with the truth and with God.
You want to motivate others to bear fruit? Simply reveal to them God's love.We love Him because He first loved us. God fully trusts that His love is sufficient to motivate. We should have the same trust.
In Christianity, we do not start at the bottom and work our way to the top, as in the world. In God's wisdom,. He starts us at the top...joint heirs with His Son, seated with Him (positionally) in heavenly places, having all things that pertain to life and godliness, being made a new creation right from the start.
When Jesus washed His disciples feet, notice the postition from which He humbled Himself.. (John 13:3).." ..knowing that the Father had given all things into His hands, and that He had come from God and was going to God" . So when we want to motivate others to good works of service, what knowledge do we hand to them? In reflection of this and Paul's words to the Phillipians (2:5)...."Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ"
To that end, I will give my opinion and conclusion, that a person's self image will play a monumental part in the fruit that they bear.
We do not produce smoke by trying to produce it of itself. It comes from fire. In like manner, fruit is not a cause but rather an effect. It is a symptom. What will be the cause? You decide. Let truth prevail.
Blessings in Christ to all, Howie
It absolutely must be understood that the things we do as believers (works) have a source. May I remind everyone that there are many in this world who follow a good conscience, who live a decent moral life, who do good works of love and charity, who are not of the flock of Christ. It is possible to be seen doing good works from something other than faith.
I remind you that Paul reviled the Galatians for attempting to be justified by the law. But is the law not good? Yes it is. So what is my point?
I have come to a conclusion that while what we do is important, in God's eyes there is something He is looking for...and that is WHY we do what we do. If we have this discussion and leave out the motivation for doing good works, then we do an injustice to the subject, and to one another.
For example, if one is doing things in order to be justified, then these are dead works. They cannot accomplish that end.
So let us put this into perspective. There are those who introduce this subject or comment on it, that imply or insist that our works have a part in determining our eternal fate. I will agree with this one one condition; If we allow the scripture to guide us. In the parable of the sower, he whom was cast out was rejected because he buried his talent. This represents a deliberate oppostion to the concept of fruit. The master in this parable informed him that he could have merely put his money in the bank and let it collect interest on its own.
Contrast this with the attacks and inuendo's that often circulate in Christian cirlces. How many people do we suppose who have harsh criticisms of others, think of their own works as being insufficient? None, zero, nada, zilch. I find that most curious and fascinating. There is always an unspoken standard that is somehow involved in the minds of these critics; a standard that they feel they meet but others fail to meet.
So why don't we include in this discussion some kind of standard we can all agree on? I have an answer to that. It is because we cannot find one we can all agree on. But God took care of this when He used the law to condemn all, so that He could have mercy on all. God's standard is perfection. This is why He is responsible for our perfection and not ourselves. Therefore the works we do as believers do not have a standard of acceptablility. It is the motive behind them that is judged, and not the quantity or the quality of the works themselves. The main thing that really matters is that we get on board with the concept, and do not oppose it, as he who buried his talent.
So I have a question; how many Christians do we suppose are in oppostition to the concept of good fruit and good works?
But an even more vital question; how many are motivated in them through fear of loss, self preservation, self righteousness, fear of punishment, self gain, fear of rejection...etc? And how many posts on subject lines like this one will we find such motives being promoted?
FYI, love does not seek its own. Real love is not motivated for self serving purposes. It stands to reason then, that in order to motivate us in the most profitable way, God would want to release us of any worry and fear for our own lives. Thus we see passages of assurance such as that which tells us the Holy Spirit is given as a guarantee of our inheritance. So then God's love is poured out in our hearts and we are released from self preserving motives,.. to love others with the same love that we have in our hearts through our experience with the truth and with God.
You want to motivate others to bear fruit? Simply reveal to them God's love.We love Him because He first loved us. God fully trusts that His love is sufficient to motivate. We should have the same trust.
In Christianity, we do not start at the bottom and work our way to the top, as in the world. In God's wisdom,. He starts us at the top...joint heirs with His Son, seated with Him (positionally) in heavenly places, having all things that pertain to life and godliness, being made a new creation right from the start.
When Jesus washed His disciples feet, notice the postition from which He humbled Himself.. (John 13:3).." ..knowing that the Father had given all things into His hands, and that He had come from God and was going to God" . So when we want to motivate others to good works of service, what knowledge do we hand to them? In reflection of this and Paul's words to the Phillipians (2:5)...."Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ"
To that end, I will give my opinion and conclusion, that a person's self image will play a monumental part in the fruit that they bear.
We do not produce smoke by trying to produce it of itself. It comes from fire. In like manner, fruit is not a cause but rather an effect. It is a symptom. What will be the cause? You decide. Let truth prevail.
Blessings in Christ to all, Howie
very very well spoken williemac
Properly dividing the word threw the Spirit that you know leads and causes works that are worthy, from whom He shall say "well done my Son"
for if you boast boast in the Lord, knowing you have receive freely now freely give,
There's a lot of counterfeit plastic fruit laying around the house, of course it's not fit to eat.
It's so nice to hear from those that eat.
1 Peter 2:1-3
Properly dividing the word threw the Spirit that you know leads and causes works that are worthy, from whom He shall say "well done my Son"
for if you boast boast in the Lord, knowing you have receive freely now freely give,
There's a lot of counterfeit plastic fruit laying around the house, of course it's not fit to eat.
It's so nice to hear from those that eat.
1 Peter 2:1-3
Thank You Howie
And to you also I call my brother, Praise comes from another mans mouth and not your own
Proverbs 27:2-3
And to you also I call my brother, Praise comes from another mans mouth and not your own
Proverbs 27:2-3
I would like to cite in reply an incident narrated by the late Servant of God Archbishop Sheen. On a plane, Archbishop Sheen was asked by the stewardess if he would like some food. He declined, stating that he was fasting. The passenger sitting next to him also declined. Archbishop Sheen turned and asked if the passenger was also a Catholic who was fasting. The passenger replied that he was a satanist fasting to increase the number of abortions.
Thus we have a good work utterly perverted given its depraved end.
Similarly, an atheist for example who lacks Christian/ Catholic faith, no matter what good works he may do, cannot at all be said to fulfill the second commandment, since his works proceed from something other than the supernatural faith “without which it is impossible to please God” (Heb 11:6). St. Paul is very clear on this point (1 Cor 13). Just as faith without works is dead, works without right faith are worthless.
Thus we have a good work utterly perverted given its depraved end.
Similarly, an atheist for example who lacks Christian/ Catholic faith, no matter what good works he may do, cannot at all be said to fulfill the second commandment, since his works proceed from something other than the supernatural faith “without which it is impossible to please God” (Heb 11:6). St. Paul is very clear on this point (1 Cor 13). Just as faith without works is dead, works without right faith are worthless.
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