Premise: The Church is Not the Source of Truth,
kicker counter argument: 1 Tim 3:15
Supporting arguments: for the premise: John 5:31 John 5:36 John 10:25
These verses do not disprove Tim 3:15. "Truth is not of our own making. Even Christ proclaimed that the truth He illuminated did not spring from Him alone. “My teaching is not mine, but His who sent me” (John 17:6)
Truth is not subjective. It represents the objective order of things. The person who comes to know something of the truth, then should experience humility, not vanity, for he discovers something that is not his.
Christ was emphatic in his denunciation of the Pharisees who claimed to know something of the truth but behaved with a pretentious snobbery. Truth is not he cause of Pharisaism, vanity is." source
John 10:37-38 John 15:24 Acts 2:22 Acts 10:38
These verses deal with the works that Jesus did as evidence that He is from God. Signs and wonders is proof that a person is called directly by God. None of them prove that "The Church is Not the Source of Truth" which contradicts 1 Tim 3:15
This is misleading. Scripture affirms that anyone called directly by God must be followed by signs and wonders. Scripture also affirms that the man of God must be either called directly by God, (followed by signs and wonders) or be ordained by the Church.
In Christian theology, Cessationism is the view that the miraculous gifts of the Holy Spirit, such as tongues, prophecy and healing, ceased being practiced early on in Church history. The opposite of Cessationism is Continuationism. (wikipedia) This might make an interesting thread on its own.
The Church is an organized visible fellowship. Because it is divine institution and dynamism, the Holy Spirit dwells in it, keeping it alive, keeping it true, and making it grow. The Spirit is the source of the life of the Church, but that life is the life of a body.
The body is made up of many members who are distinguished one from the other by functions for which they have a fixed structure. In the Body, the bishops have the function of teaching and guiding, and this task they perform through the power of the Spirit who transfuses the whole Body, making each member effective in his function.
The Body is one, 1 Cor 10:17 and so the episcopate is one, John 10:16 and the unity of the episcopate is achieved through solidarity with the prime source of Episcopal power, the Bishop of Rome. Matt. 16:19 In the Catholic vision the pope teaches in the name of the episcopate Matt. 16:19 and the episcopate teaches in the name of the Church Matt. 10:1, Matt. 10:40 and the Church teaches in the name of Christ, Acts 20:28 and Christ teaches in the name of God.
The Bread that we partake is ONE BREAD, it it not separate nor is the ONE BREAD confined to the restrictions of time.
The Church is an extension of the Incarnation united in the Eucharist. One reason we do not have ONE BODY is because we do not all partake of this ONE BREAD.
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kicker counter argument: 1 Tim 3:15
Supporting arguments: for the premise: John 5:31 John 5:36 John 10:25
These verses do not disprove Tim 3:15. "Truth is not of our own making. Even Christ proclaimed that the truth He illuminated did not spring from Him alone. “My teaching is not mine, but His who sent me” (John 17:6)
Truth is not subjective. It represents the objective order of things. The person who comes to know something of the truth, then should experience humility, not vanity, for he discovers something that is not his.
Christ was emphatic in his denunciation of the Pharisees who claimed to know something of the truth but behaved with a pretentious snobbery. Truth is not he cause of Pharisaism, vanity is." source
John 10:37-38 John 15:24 Acts 2:22 Acts 10:38
These verses deal with the works that Jesus did as evidence that He is from God. Signs and wonders is proof that a person is called directly by God. None of them prove that "The Church is Not the Source of Truth" which contradicts 1 Tim 3:15
Scripture affirms (and Jesus affirms) that any message that comes from God through man must bear verification and show authentication from the Holy Spirit.
This is misleading. Scripture affirms that anyone called directly by God must be followed by signs and wonders. Scripture also affirms that the man of God must be either called directly by God, (followed by signs and wonders) or be ordained by the Church.
The Apostles and other New Testament prophets were teachers of truth and the same miraculous manifestations of the Holy Spirit authenticated their ministry and message. They were authenticated by God (the Holy Spirit) and not by man. I'll show some scriptures pertaining to the Apostles, later.
In Christian theology, Cessationism is the view that the miraculous gifts of the Holy Spirit, such as tongues, prophecy and healing, ceased being practiced early on in Church history. The opposite of Cessationism is Continuationism. (wikipedia) This might make an interesting thread on its own.
The Church is an organized visible fellowship. Because it is divine institution and dynamism, the Holy Spirit dwells in it, keeping it alive, keeping it true, and making it grow. The Spirit is the source of the life of the Church, but that life is the life of a body.
The body is made up of many members who are distinguished one from the other by functions for which they have a fixed structure. In the Body, the bishops have the function of teaching and guiding, and this task they perform through the power of the Spirit who transfuses the whole Body, making each member effective in his function.
The Body is one, 1 Cor 10:17 and so the episcopate is one, John 10:16 and the unity of the episcopate is achieved through solidarity with the prime source of Episcopal power, the Bishop of Rome. Matt. 16:19 In the Catholic vision the pope teaches in the name of the episcopate Matt. 16:19 and the episcopate teaches in the name of the Church Matt. 10:1, Matt. 10:40 and the Church teaches in the name of Christ, Acts 20:28 and Christ teaches in the name of God.
The Bread that we partake is ONE BREAD, it it not separate nor is the ONE BREAD confined to the restrictions of time.
The Church is an extension of the Incarnation united in the Eucharist. One reason we do not have ONE BODY is because we do not all partake of this ONE BREAD.
sad