the term "Christian" is cliche and meaningless today...

Christ follower.

Can I just ask, why you would call yourself "Xian"...using an X and not actually putting 'Christ' in? Now, I know that everyone today is about shortening everything etc, but I cannot understand when one actually says that Jesus is Lord and Saviour, they would purposely leave that bit out? It's confusing to me....

As far as the topic goes, the term is only pointless to those who misuse or misunderstand the word. To those of us who do claim Jesus as our Lord and Saviour, friend even, the term means everything.

Why are such anti-Christ false prophets allowed to keep coming here on this forum and post anti-Christian garbage?

I'm always told its about "love" beyond that i don't know....modern christianity has come to define itself based on its absolute tolerance and the idea that when someone claims to be a christian that claim must be accepted regardless of what they say or do...indeed both in christianity and society in general we have sepereated the person from the deeds and the words and people remain"good" no matter what.....hate the sin love the sinner has been taken to the lunatic fringe.

I am reminded of the experience i had in one "christian" forum where an individual started a thread thst said Jesus and his disciples had Homosexual relationships....when he was opposed one individual called him a liar....the moderator stepped in and said that the individual making the claims was a"brother in christ" that we would share heaven with one day and should be treated with the utmost respect....and what would unbeleivers think,ect,ect....o i guess this thread is correct..."christian" has lost all meaning and now means...all bets are off and anything goes.

Strat said:

I'm always told its about "love" beyond that i don't know....modern christianity has come to define itself based on its absolute tolerance and the idea that when someone claims to be a christian that claim must be accepted regardless of what they say or do...indeed both in christianity and society in general we have sepereated the person from the deeds and the words and people remain"good" no matter what.....hate the sin love the sinner has been taken to the lunatic fringe.

I am reminded of the experience i had in one "christian" forum where an individual started a thread thst said Jesus and his disciples had Homosexual relationships....when he was opposed one individual called him a liar....the moderator stepped in and said that the individual making the claims was a"brother in christ" that we would share heaven with one day and should be treated with the utmost respect....and what would unbeleivers think,ect,ect....o i guess this thread is correct..."christian" has lost all meaning and now means...all bets are off and anything goes.

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Agreed! This could be a good time in history to come out of the mixture and be real disciples of Christ forsaking all things in order to dwell where Jesus dwells.

Xian Pugilist said:

Here comes strat, I can hear him.....

Oh well, here is the point. Everyone has an idea what the word means, but every person's standards are different. You may get several people to agree its a person with the Spirit in them.....
Then you ask what that ambiguous phrase means and you get.....

They are no longer in the flesh, rom 8:9
They don't give into temptation gal 5;.16
THE SPEAK IN TONGUES, THEY HEAL, THEY HAVE ALL THE SPIRITUAL GIFTS, THEY HAVE SOME SPIRITUAL GIFTS, ETC.....

Now, every different answer means anyone not like MY idea is not a Xian. And nobody shares your idea after you get into the basics of it....

Therefore a room of 100 Xians will get 125 definitions, each different.

If someone outside the Church hears you are a Xian, they have their own picture and definition. So, they think you are something you never claimed to be, and you think they see you as being something other than what they see. You both have your own pictures, but the pictures aren't remotely similar.......

So, the word is meaningless. A word's value it to provide a picture an understanding.... of a concept. When in a 2 person conversation the word presents two pictures that are not the same..... it does not serve its purpose and has no value.....

What do you think the word means.

And for those answers like, "a follower of Christ", explain that with details or examples of the phrase, because the terms and preconceptions would be different for all.....

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The term,"Christians" was given to God's people who were living like Jesus, Doing miracles, healings, casting out demons, speaking in tongues and prophecying.
And God's people are still doing those things today.


SO, A true Biblical Christian, Is one who lives like Jesus and moves in the supernatural power of God.


SO, The term, "Christian" still has a meaning today.

"And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch." (Acts 11:26)

The name was given to them by the people; they never claimed it for themselves. So what does define a Christian? I believe that is the truth of the question you are asking. And I will give you an answer. What seperates us from the world? What makes us different than all of the other people walking and living upon the earth? From the outside we look a lot like the rest of the people... except for the light in our eyes, glowing, sometimes blazing. No light, no spirit. Controversial, I know. Let's see what discussion that comment sparks.

The spirit is a fire burning inside of us: it creates light and shines bright for all to see. Jesus Christ said, "I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life." We carry that light inside of us; some would say that we are now that light. Flesh can never attain these things.

We are also an example to those around us, although these days many people claim to be something that they are not. Whether they are planted to lead others astray or simply have not found the truth, I don't know; but I see them often. Some churches have become a social club, a concert, a coffee shop, an event, or playground. I see lost children; I see sheep with no shephered.

"Let no man despise thy youth; but be thou an example of the believers, in word, in conversation, in charity, in spirit, in faith, in purity." (1 Timothy 4:12)

In everything we do we display to the world who we are, and more importanly: to whom we belong. "We are ambassadors for Christ." (2 Corinthians 5:20) I was bought by Jesus. I was paid for in blood. When the depth of what he did for me on the cross two thousand years ago sunk into my heart I fell to me knees, tears streaming down my face, sobbing so hard I couldn't breathe. I cried with a sorrow that I had not known was possible.

When I began to understand that my sin is why his hands are pierced, I experienced this again: in worship.

When I arose from the cold concrete and looked at the world around me, it had changed. The image was clear, crisp; the air smelled clean, the sound of the birds chirping echoed inside my mind; the flutter of their wings as they moved.... was beautiful. I was changed. A single moment of pain in exchange for a paradigm shift. And this is just one of many.

"Even a child is known by his doings, whether his work be pure, and whether it be right." (Proverbs 20:11)

I think the defining feature of a Christian is their love for God. It can't be faked, forged or falsified. God knows every thought and emotion that passes through us. I remember when I started praying aloud for the first time in my life, and I quickly realized I could hear deception in my own voice. I prayed for years and learned that I can't lie to God. He hears it as I do.

So now, I can no longer lie to myself.

Jesus said, "My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:" (John 10:27)

Can you hear? Do you follow?

People do not understand what it means to be chosen of God. They think it is all about their choice, like it is a subscription to a magazine or something. I used to be so full of rage that I couldn't function in society because everywhere I looked I saw a fallen race. A people so lost in the darkness that my only true response would have been to weep.

Sometimes I panic.

God showed me that one day the doorway will be closed. It won't matter if you know where the door is; it will not be open. I can't describe the feeling, not without my journal. I love God, and he loves his creation; but, the time is coming for his word to return. I once heard someone say, It doesn't matter whether or not you believe in God because he believes in you.

It doesn't matter what you think about what I've written here today. I wrote it for you.

Please open up and receive the grace God is offering. Turn away from the evil that has seeped into your life. Make a stand for our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. Not because you expect anything for yourself, but because he has given everything of his own for you. He has loved you for so long, with such depth, that a moment of its intensity will change everything you think.

"Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen." (1 Timothy 1:17)

Xian Pugilist said:

The fruits of the early church, are not matched by the fruit of today's church.

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Have a look around - the 'fruit' is everywhere - you are just not seeing it because you have put on ideological blinkers.

Strat said:

I'm always told its about "love" beyond that i don't know....modern christianity has come to define itself based on its absolute tolerance and the idea that when someone claims to be a christian that claim must be accepted regardless of what they say or do...indeed both in christianity and society in general we have sepereated the person from the deeds and the words and people remain"good" no matter what.....hate the sin love the sinner has been taken to the lunatic fringe.

I am reminded of the experience i had in one "christian" forum where an individual started a thread thst said Jesus and his disciples had Homosexual relationships....when he was opposed one individual called him a liar....the moderator stepped in and said that the individual making the claims was a"brother in christ" that we would share heaven with one day and should be treated with the utmost respect....and what would unbeleivers think,ect,ect....o i guess this thread is correct..."christian" has lost all meaning and now means...all bets are off and anything goes.

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God requires a certain amount of discipline among His Church. And that means casting out the dead branches that if allowed to hang around can stunt the growth of the rest of the Body. When you have a malignant growth you cut it out, not allow it to fester and taint the rest of the Body.

veteran said:

God requires a certain amount of discipline among His Church. And that means casting out the dead branches that if allowed to hang around can stunt the growth of the rest of the Body. When you have a malignant growth you cut it out, not allow it to fester and taint the rest of the Body.

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Couldn't agree more,problem is in today's modern church you would stand a greater chance of being disciplined for calling for the discipline of such a person with a bunch of idiots wagging their finger at you babbling about foregiveness,tolerance and non judgement.

veteran said:

God requires a certain amount of discipline among His Church. And that means casting out the dead branches that if allowed to hang around can stunt the growth of the rest of the Body. When you have a malignant growth you cut it out, not allow it to fester and taint the rest of the Body.

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John 15:1-2
The problem with the modern church is they insert their own name in place of the Father.

Jesus spoke to those that did not belong, The conviction on their hearts from the Father drives them out. Its a spiritual war.
Today's leaders don't have the POWER, their disconnected with the head so there reduced to simply tossing them out the front door.

I find a few goof balls make for a great teaching tool. Similar to a mother fox bringing a mouse to her pups.
In that there is a demonstration of the work, not simply a bunch of lip service. By the way this work is seen by those that have eyes.
What has always amazed me is the kingdom of God is continuing to be made right before my eyes and only a few see.

BTW I'm in a pruning process right now. Being changed, and I say YES Father I see please cut it off, remove the poison.
But I don't suppose you've had your hair cut lately > = unreachable + unteachable = dead wood
Pride the haunting spirit before the fall.
When was the last time the Lord revealed something new to you? If it's been a while then your long over due. Or maybe dead on the ground and just don't realize it yet.

Just some food for thought.

bling said:

The problem might be the lack of persecution we have in the East. The underground church in China is not having this problem, why?

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... and not just China - anywhere where there is oppression and injustice.

bling said:

The problem might be the lack of persecution we have in the East. The underground church in China is not having this problem, why?

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Since I was a young man before the Lord had me dive into the bible.
I used to look to the east, what I seen was a people that have understood for many generations that true power and strength lay in humbleness.
This is the truth I see played out over and over again in scripture, take my burden upon thyself for my burden is light. Do not worry for who can add a second to your life by worry. It has always amazed me the cultural values you keep from generation to generation. At how similar they are to Gods values. "Big Topic"

Not so for Americans any longer, the days walking softly and carrying a big stick have faded. Today were a prideful, loud, self righteous bunch.

God Bless bling
Say high to my extended family in Christ.

... and it not just America - Australia is not far behind.

There is a parliamentary inquiry being held into one church with respect to covering up and subverting a police investigation into church organized pedophilia.

A detective Inspector came out publicly condemning the church's actions. Needless to say Christianity has dropped several more notches.

We are about to be persecuted and I have to say - for good reason.

Rex said:

John 15:1-2
The problem with the modern church is they insert their own name in place of the Father.

Jesus spoke to those that did not belong, The conviction on their hearts from the Father drives them out. Its a spiritual war.
Today's leaders don't have the POWER, their disconnected with the head so there reduced to simply tossing them out the front door.

I find a few goof balls make for a great teaching tool. Similar to a mother fox bringing a mouse to her pups.
In that there is a demonstration of the work, not simply a bunch of lip service. By the way this work is seen by those that have eyes.
What has always amazed me is the kingdom of God is continuing to be made right before my eyes and only a few see.

BTW I'm in a pruning process right now. Being changed, and I say YES Father I see please cut it off, remove the poison.
But I don't suppose you've had your hair cut lately > = unreachable + unteachable = dead wood
Pride the haunting spirit before the fall.
When was the last time the Lord revealed something new to you? If it's been a while then your long over due. Or maybe dead on the ground and just don't realize it yet.

Just some food for thought.

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Your mocking is unwarranted. Nor should you confuse pride with disciplined Bible study. Some here are doing it how God showed us to do it, and others are heeding the popular doctrines of men from their religious organizations instead, meaning they are following 'men', and not God in His Word. All this = a rebuke for those followers of 'men'.

Xian Pugilist said:

Here comes strat, I can hear him.....

Oh well, here is the point. Everyone has an idea what the word means, but every person's standards are different. You may get several people to agree its a person with the Spirit in them.....
Then you ask what that ambiguous phrase means and you get.....

They are no longer in the flesh, rom 8:9
They don't give into temptation gal 5;.16
THE SPEAK IN TONGUES, THEY HEAL, THEY HAVE ALL THE SPIRITUAL GIFTS, THEY HAVE SOME SPIRITUAL GIFTS, ETC.....

Now, every different answer means anyone not like MY idea is not a Xian. And nobody shares your idea after you get into the basics of it....

Therefore a room of 100 Xians will get 125 definitions, each different.

If someone outside the Church hears you are a Xian, they have their own picture and definition. So, they think you are something you never claimed to be, and you think they see you as being something other than what they see. You both have your own pictures, but the pictures aren't remotely similar.......

So, the word is meaningless. A word's value it to provide a picture an understanding.... of a concept. When in a 2 person conversation the word presents two pictures that are not the same..... it does not serve its purpose and has no value.....

What do you think the word means.

And for those answers like, "a follower of Christ", explain that with details or examples of the phrase, because the terms and preconceptions would be different for all.....

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In other words, there is a tower man sought to build and its name is babble. Misspelled on purpose there.