The Biblical Principle Of Nations: Identifying The Ten Kingdoms Of Ezekiel 38

veteran said:

Way behind the times you are.


Dan 7:23
23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.
(KJV)

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Again you have failed to show me where a "one world government" is prophesied in Scripture...Daniel 7:23 speaks of a great kingdom - I call it The Kingdom of the Antichrist in my new book... But even a great kingdom is not "a one world government" where all the governments of the world allow themselves to come under the control of one person or one organization as the term implies...Your feeble attempt at quoting Daniel 7:23 belies your lack of learning. The same word for "whole earth" is found in Ex 10:15 where Pharaoh only has Egypt in mind. Or Ex 10: 15 speaks of the locusts covering "the whole earth" when, in fact, we know they just covered the whole of Egypt...Many more examples could be sighted, but the point is that the Aramaic word "kala," Strongs #3606 which can mean "a part of a totality" is the obvious meaning here. Not every government, nor every man, woman and child on earth will be "devoured" by the fourth beast...

veteran said:

The shortened time is about the latter 1260 days period being shortened, NOT some special event like a Pre-trib rapture added that leaves the order of the endtime events of His coming and our gathering He gave us.



Here we go again. Look at the alliance between Syria, Iran, extemists in Lebanon, Iraq, etc., with the Communist states of Russian and Red China today. It's the COMMUNIST states that are SUPPORTING those Islamic states, NOT the other way around.

Your beloved Russia is part of that extremist alliance against Israel that Ezekiel 38 is pointing to.



See the history about Roman Trajan again. He did... conquer areas of the ancient Babylonian empire. You're not going to be able to disprove the Roman empire as the next beast kingdom that covered the majority of the then civilized world.

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Trajan or any other Roman Emperor even conquered the city of Babylon or any part of the Persian Empire...Daniel's 4th beast must devour all of the three previous empire - not simply parts of one or two...

veteran said:

The Book of Daniel DOES make distinction between 5 beast kingdoms. That's why the beast statue image from Neb's dream that God gave Daniel to interpret has FIVE pieces to it, and not just FOUR.

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It is remarkable to me that you actually believe you understand Daniel's prophecy better than Daniel did - or the angel who explained its meaning to him. Because the angel clearly says "The four great beasts are four kingdoms that will arise from the earth" (Dan 7:17). I see no mention of the fifth kingdom you wale about - unless you are trying to speak of the Kingdom of God which destroys the fourth kingdom, which is not the topic of the chapter - the four kingdoms are the subject?...If that is true, your argument is merely one of semantics and purely sophistry...

veteran said:

The part of the "legs of iron" represented the old Roman empire, because it's the feet of ten toes of iron mixed with clay that is shown manifesting when Christ comes to strike it upon its feet and establish His de facto Eternal Kingdom and reign upon the earth. That's a specific point many theologians have missed from the Book of Daniel (though not all Bible scholars of history missed it).

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Again, it is not enough for you or those you regurgitate to merely say the "legs of iron represent the old Roman Empire" - because you must prove it...Opinions are like eyes and ears - everyone has one. Prove your hypothesis or let it go...

veteran said:

Gnats again I see.

I NEVER said there would be a 'revised Roman empire' like the one of old for the end. That's where you're not listening, but making assumptions instead. I don't speak or write in riddles.

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"The old Roman empire became the largest beast kingdom upon the earth to date. And since it conquered the areas of the 3rd beast kingdom of Daniel, that makes the Roman empire the 4th beast of Daniel"...I'm sorry Veteran, but these are your words, not mine. Maybe you "don't speak in riddles" like you claim; Maybe you just don't really understand what you did say?...

veteran said:

Jerusalem has always been the center of focus with all the previous beast kingdoms of Daniel. Because Daniel was shown how the final beast kingdom of ten toes of part iron and part clay will be standing ALONG... with ALL the previous beast statue parts in the end when Christ comes to smite it upon its feet, then what does that show for the end?

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Jerusalem was never "the center of focus" of any empires which conquered it. The land, the people's wealth, the trading routes, the people, etc were always "the center of focus"...Your obvious lack of understanding of ancient histories is remarkable...

veteran said:

Christ's coming to gather His Church is AFTER the tribulation period (the latter 1260 of Daniel's "one week"). And that's per Matt.24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27, and per Paul in 2 Thess.2.

The northern army that's to come upon Jerusalem on the last day of this world is given in Ezekiel 38. It includes Communist Russia and her Islamic allies.

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veteran said:

I have shown you, but you REFUSE to address it, and would obviously rather stay in the ignorance of men's doctrines you're listening to.

When Christ revealed the FIRST beast in Revelation 13:1-2, linked to the beast kingdom ideas of Daniel 7, THAT IS about the idea of a 'one-world' kingdom, i.e., a "one world government".

Why are you pleading ignorance about the concept of a "one world government" anyway??? Haven't you been paying attention to what's going on in the world in this and the previous generation? The movers and shakers in that movement are NOT EVEN HIDING their plan for that one world government anymore! It's out in the open for all to see now, and has been for quite a while now.

Or maybe today's education system has you totally confused that the idea of a 'kingdom' IS... a TYPE of government! In Isaiah 9, the concept of 'government' in English is even used about Christ's future Kingdom to come. So HOW could you be confused about that kind of idea??

Unless... you're listening to others besides our Heavenly Father and His Son per His Word.

What have those 'others' told you? that Christ's Kingdom is established here and now, and that a universal government system happening on earth today merely represents His Kingdom today? IF you have believed that line of malarkey, then you're ready for 'their'... next step too, to bow in false worship to 'their' "king of the world" they intend to setup over 'their' version of Christ's Government, which is one of the MAJOR warnings our Lord Jesus gave His servants to not be deceived into for the end.

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You guys are all quite funny with your interpretations...Some of you are close, others are miles off...There is no need for a "one world government" at the beginning of the end. That comes MUCH later in the eschatological process...The process begins when the sixth king (Gog, Eze 38) (Rev 17:10) of Daniel's 4th empire/beast (Dan 7) attacks modern Israel in an attempt at annihilating her (Eze 38, 39)...There is only one government, kingdom, empire, people who want to do that to Israel today - Islam...Moreover, America, Russia, China, the EU or the UN have no desire whatsoever to "annihilate" Israel...So again, who is it that we see in the nightly news sharing in their desire to annihilate Israel? - Islam...The eighth king of this "one world government" (Rev 17:10) must have control of the Temple Mount, and only the muslims control the Temple Mount - and must have the power to negotiate the right for the Jews to rebuild their 3rd Temple atop Mt Moriah. I would argue that no man, no government, no entity - no "one world government" exists on planet earth today that could negotiate that "peace treaty" after the war of Gog and Magog with Israel and give those rights to the Jews without beginning WWIII. Because the muslims just would not permit it - and I think they have made that point abundantly clear...But the seventh caliph (al-Mahdi) who had given his power to the eighth caliph (Jesus, son of Mary) would, indeed, have such power...America, the EU, UN, Russia, China, etc do not posses a detailed set of eschatological beliefs from a holy book which leads them to anticipate the coming of a great prophet, al-Mahdi (the False Prophet) and a return of "Jesus, son of Mary" (the Antichrist) from paradise. The holy people on planet earth who have such holy books and such eschatological anticipations are the muslims....It is only AFTER the miracles associated with the parousia of the man "Jesus, son of Mary," along with the "peace treaty" he will make with Israel to save the world from WWIII, along with the many "wonders" that will be associated with his parousia, and all the same associated with his Mahdi, that the world will "believe the lie" and begin to follow him/them enmasse. This will be your "one world government."

veteran said:

You are terribly deceived, especially if you're depending on the nightly media-show news programs to let you know what's happening in the world!

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I don't believe anyone is naive enough, Veteran, to watch only the nightly news in this age of te internet...Because I run a successful blog that is attempting to keep track of the rise of the Kingdom of the Antichrist, it is imperative that I use news sources that I'm sure you know nothing about or, as a result, use...You are stuck in an end time paradigm that is 20 - 30 years old...Thus, you "can't see the forrest for the errors." Your "one world government," or your European Antichrist, or Gog and MoGog coming out of Russia, or your crazy belief that the war of Gog and Magog takes place after the Millennium Reign, etc, are all so outdated and so out of line with the geo-political realities of the world in the 21st century as to be laughable...Look around you dude, where do you see the Soviet Union, or the EU, or your "one world government?" The Soviet Union is a relic of history, the EU is bankrupt and falling apart, your one world government is nothing more than the foder for conspiracy-buffs it has been since the beginning of the cold-war...John Paul was not the last Pope, the Catholic Church is not the great harlot, and you need to stop regurgitating end time scenarios that are 30 years old and completely antiquated and, in most cases, already proven in accurate, i.e., the Soviet Union...

kaoticprofit said:

By the way Richard I'm in total agreement with your post.

The NWO has been around since the 40's and it will have absolutely nothing to do with the end. I'll never understand why people assume that the leadership of every country in the world would willingly relinquish their governing authority to one man. (Globalism)
There's no logic to it and there's not one verse correctly interpreted that supports that idea.
But who say's people on this forum are seeking truth?
Like I said. It's easier to take a sliver out of a wild cats back side than it is to change peoples minds around here.

I use to be a pre-tribbering globalist. But I repented, admitted I was wrong, and learned how to study the Word for it's truth and nothing else.

It impresses me to see people on the forum adhere to their false beliefs even when there's a mountain of scriptural evidence against them. The words, "I was wrong" doesn't exist in a Christians vocabulary.

If deception and false doctrine were electricity, the eschatology section of this forum would be able to power itself. And Veteran would contribute a whole lot of amperage!

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Nice post - I admire your strength of character...I too use to be pre-trib and believed the teachings of Lindsey, Morris, Woolvard, etc too...Subsequently, I put off all material wealth - which I had more than my fair share of - and entered into a quasi-monastic existence for nearly 20 years. I sought God, and found Him in ways that only a monastic type existence can lead to...Along the way I discovered a new interpretation of end time prophecy that I've never heard or seen before. Consequently, it has been my honor to write a book revealing this new end time paradigm, and I pray that the Church will be better prepared for the coming Great Tribulation Period as a result...But, like you said, and I've noticed, most people on this forum - and other forums - like to regurgitate what they have read and pass it off as if they actually possess the gift of teaching or apologetics...It is quite sad, and telling, I think, when one compares our time to the early Church and the humble respect the early Church gave to its great confessors versus today's Christians who, it appears, all believe they are they are scholars who possess the gift of teaching simply because they have read a few books....

veteran said:

Sounds like your 'blog' is for the very purpose of deception, to get people away... from understanding about the coming "one world government" that's been planned for a long time, and that politicians have been mentioning for about a century. Call it New World Order, Globalism, Sustainable Devleopment, it's all the same thing.

World Communism is not any more dead than a cockroach today, and it sounds like you'd probably support that too.

Be warned brethren!

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So the "purpose of my blog is to deceive" the brethren?...The lack of Christian love in your heart is only surpassed by your lack of intelligence - and the ability you believe you have to read my mind...I spent 10 years in the harshest environment you could ever imagine while I researched and wrote the book which is the centerpiece of my blog. I give away hundres of copies a year to those who can not afford one, and my intent has never been anything more than to help educate the Church - to help the Church prepare for the coming Great Tribulation Period....Furthermore, I understand how my end time paradigm is something completely new - and that many people simply aren't comfortable facing new things, because it calls their old beliefs into question. Consequently, I spend over 500 pages explaining - then proving - my new paradigm. Then I took things one step further and built a blog to help my readers following "The Rise of the Beast" in our nightly news...And more, the nightly news only works to prove how accurate my paradigm is...You, on the other hand, simply continue to regurgitate a wild end time paradigm that can never be proven while attacking your fellow Christians on this forum as if they are some way below you and your imaginary intellect...You need to check yourself Sir; you are all puffed up because you have read a few books over the years and, as a consequence, you've convinced yourself that you are a scholar...Trust me, simply regurgitating another's thoughts and works does not make one a scholar...