How far is too far? (its about sex)

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Jason Ever discusses how couples can know "how far is too far?" in terms of physical affection.
2 minutes, 20 seconds

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BysaM6tIHT8&feature=relmfu
 

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My rule of thumb, if one is asking the question to themselves, "Have I gone too far", you already have.
 

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If each person has the Holy Spirit, they will be guided internally by Him.

Don't you think we should be led in our relationships by the Holy Spirit? He has a way of going to the "heart of the matter."
 

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He spoke a nice message, but he did mention Mortal sin and venal sin. In that lays the problem the the scribes and Pharisees faced. By in their own strength determining just how close can you walk the fence without rubbing it. Read the 7th chapter of Mark 7:1-3

Grace and forgiveness coves a multitude of sins 1 Peter 4:7-8 I would say this man does a very good job of navigating threw the straining of gnats found in the over all teaching of the catholic church, that would seek to regulate every aspect of an other mans life. The freedom in Christ is lost, and comes under the direction and authority of men at that point it no longer lives as Christ would would have it grow, but becomes the product of men. Let every man determine what is the Lords will, for he shall stand or fall on his own. Romans 14:4

What I'm getting at is the difference between grace and obedience. The Lord will make know the obedience He expects from you and will place it upon your heart.
 

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He spoke a nice message, but he did mention Mortal sin and venal sin. In that lays the problem the the scribes and Pharisees faced. By in their own strength determining just how close can you walk the fence without rubbing it. Read the 7th chapter of Mark 7:1-3

Grace and forgiveness coves a multitude of sins 1 Peter 4:7-8 I would say this man does a very good job of navigating threw the straining of gnats found in the over all teaching of the catholic church, that would seek to regulate every aspect of an other mans life. The freedom in Christ is lost, and comes under the direction and authority of men at that point it no longer lives as Christ would would have it grow, but becomes the product of men. Let every man determine what is the Lords will, for he shall stand or fall on his own. Romans 14:4

What I'm getting at is the difference between grace and obedience. The Lord will make know the obedience He expects from you and will place it upon your heart.

Exactly, we are to honor Christ in all of our relationships and not to defraud one another. The Holy Spirit will lead and guide us in our heart. We can look good on the outside but it is really what is going on in our heart that matters to God. If, the man and woman in a relationship truly love God and one another, they will Love God with all their heart and not defraud one another.

We should be teaching people to look to the Holy Spirit and be obedient to His inward voice.

Our spiritual life and the understanding of it is a moment by moment walk with with Christ resulting in Christ-likeness. Our yieldedness to God (abiding in Him) is what produces the Christ-like life (fruit). There is so little understanding of this today and most end up turning the grace of God into rules and regulations to follow. It is the grace of God, powered by the Holy Spirit that enables us to take up our cross and deny self, thereby living unto God and abiding in Him rather than self. Too many people view the Christian walk from an academic standpoint, only. The path to Christian maturity is full of pain and fraught with failures however the sad thing is that some of our failures carry with them greater consequences than other failures and one area that all people, not just Christians fail in, is relationships. We have to learn that no matter how religious the flesh learns to be outwardly, it cannot produce purity and holiness in the heart. Only God's Spirit can do that as we allow His circumcising action to take place in our heart, purging us of all that is not of Him. If we depend more on the Holy Spirit and the Word of God, the Lord will help us in all of our relationships.

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How far is to far? Now that's a question of the heart.
Proverbs 20:27

1 Corinthians 2:11-14

[sup]10 [/sup]But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God. [sup]11 [/sup]For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God. [sup]12 [/sup]Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God.
[sup]13 [/sup]These things we also speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teaches but which the Holy[sup][d][/sup] Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. [sup]14 [/sup]But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. [sup]15 [/sup]But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one. [sup]16 [/sup]For “who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct Him?”[sup][e][/sup] But we have the mind of Christ.
 

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How about another one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRTcod83PYI&feature=relmfu
 

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Before I watch and decide to comment. I'd like to take a moment to talk. You know If I edited out the word mortal and venal and did a blind survey of both catholic and protestants I assure you legalistic Catholics and protestants alike will take issue. I liked the, do as you would have done unto yourself message. But for us who are more mature it goes deeper. Many both C and P would accept it as sound doctrine. As a matter of fact technically he could be found to be in heresy against C church doctrine if someone wanted to push the issue, By not exactly presenting the catechism's explicit teaching in answering the boy.

Here's the rub
I can tolerate but would not partake of many of your practices. Kneeling, prayers to Mary ect ect but you insist they are pure of heart, in that I can not judge or comment. There is only one thing that I can't tolerate from your church, that is proclaiming salvation is only found in the CC. That the works of the HS can only be from the CC. All the other things I can accept and with the grace given to me extend that same grace to you though I choose to not partake with you. I'm not the judge of another mans heart, there is only one that can justly know such things.

I'll try to find time to comment on this one latter.
 

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Before I watch and decide to comment. I'd like to take a moment to talk. You know If I edited out the word mortal and venal and did a blind survey of both catholic and protestants I assure you legalistic Catholics and protestants alike will take issue. I liked the, do as you would have done unto yourself message. But for us who are more mature it goes deeper. Many both C and P would accept it as sound doctrine. As a matter of fact technically he could be found to be in heresy against C church doctrine if someone wanted to push the issue, By not exactly presenting the catechism's explicit teaching in answering the boy.

Here's the rub
I can tolerate but would not partake of many of your practices. Kneeling, prayers to Mary ect ect but you insist they are pure of heart, in that I can not judge or comment. There is only one thing that I can't tolerate from your church, that is proclaiming salvation is only found in the CC.
That the works of the HS can only be from the CC. All the other things I can accept and with the grace given to me extend that same grace to you though I choose to not partake with you. I'm not the judge of another mans heart, there is only one that can justly know such things.

None of this has anything to do with the videos, and you are dead wrong about the CC and salvation. CCC817, 818, 819 explains.


By being hypercritical of the messenger, you are missing out on the message.

Any comments on the videos from guys with girlfriends or wives? Ladies?

Romance Without Regret Part 3

The Dump Him List

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=6Rprdk3_U0U&NR=1
 

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Jason Ever discusses how couples can know "how far is too far?" in terms of physical affection.
2 minutes, 20 seconds


So this was basically about not defrauding someone else by painting a picture about your future wife who is "out there somewhere" and you would not like it if she was defrauded (taken advantage of). That is a valid way to get a good point across in 3 minutes. It was more about loving your neighbor as yourself rather than loving God with all your heart but for a 3 minutes video, you can't cover everything. So, I thought it was good, and the mortal/venial sin stuff was only a passing comment that did not bother me because I was listening for the heart of the message.

How about another one.


This one was interesting. Lot of truth being talked about but I thought he should have concentrated a little bit about knowing the Lord and abiding in Him. Nothing was really said about the Lord at all or loving Him with all their heart, soul, mind and strength. Mostly motivational and funny stories. If the kids could have been given some guidance on how to abide in the Lord, walk with Him and draw everything they need from Him, then I think that will better equip them to overcome sin than motivational stories.
 

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None of this has anything to do with the videos, and you are dead wrong about the CC and salvation. CCC817, 818, 819 explains.


By being hypercritical of the messenger, you are missing out on the message.

I differ, it has everything to do with the video. You presenting a clip that supposedly is a reflection of the CC. As you will notice in my post, this is not true. You did the very thing I mentioned; that this speaker could be found to be in heresy of catholic teaching, by not teaching the letter of the catechism.
The very thing you now pull on me now.

Paragraph 3. The Church Is One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic
811 "This is the sole Church of Christ,

Lets just be honest this video is not more than an attempt to mimic protestant theology. The proud pompous heart of the CC is still very much concerned about intervening between all men and their savor. In controlling mens lives, stomping out any opposition in what ever manner it may take. I have pleaded with you for one thing, that you recognize salvation outside of the CC. Your reply is 811, it may as well read 911. Such is the heart to deny God His rightful place in mens hearts. You might as well have flown a bomb into the Holy of Holy's. In my heart and mind you serve a different master.
 

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None of this has anything to do with the videos, and you are dead wrong about the CC and salvation. CCC817, 818, 819 explains.


By being hypercritical of the messenger, you are missing out on the message.

Any comments on the videos from guys with girlfriends or wives? Ladies?

Romance Without Regret Part 3

The Dump Him List

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=6Rprdk3_U0U&NR=1

I thought all the advice was good and her list was spot on. Again, I think it would be helpful to bring the Lord into it and talk about how important it is to not just depend on your conscience but that you need the Holy Spirit and His discernment to know about things that were NOT on her list.

The one thing I always notice about Catholic seminars and conferences is the absence of the preaching of the Gospel of Jesus Christ and the importance of a personal relationship with Him through the Holy Spirit.
 

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Thanks Axehead. Here is another one.

Should Christian women wear bikinis?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtzIcz7MOkc
 

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Holiness is the standard. I would say the Holy Spirit will tell you when you are getting past that point and about to diverge into sexual or whatever sin it may be gambling, drinking etc. But if you know you have a temptation problem in the sexual realm why even allow yourself to be put in a situation to be tempted?
 

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Thanks Axehead. Here is another one.

Should Christian women wear bikinis?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtzIcz7MOkc

I'm sorry but I have to ask...Has the body of Christ sunk so low and gotten so far off track that this really needs to be a topic of discussion at a gathering?
 

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I'm sorry but I have to ask...Has the body of Christ sunk so low and gotten so far off track that this really needs to be a topic of discussion at a gathering?

Yes- There's a weird polarization in the church between "grace" and legalism, and both can fall way off the charts. I put quotes around grace.

I think I agree with what Axehead is saying. We need the Holy Spirit's direction in our relationship. There are 2 ordinances concerning marriage, one that falls under our given system of government's law, as well as God's specific ordinance. We should do our best to follow both. If we just followed God's ordinance, once we found our mate, we could legally, under God's ordinance, have mutually consented sex with them on the spot and go about living as a married couple. A lot of time we mistake our own law for God's law, however. God puts one man and one woman together. The only exception I see is when a man takes another woman as his wife for her protection, like in the story of Ruth, which I believe "could" apply today, but would need to somehow fall under our law, and our law, in America at least, gives women plenty of freedom. So, I don't see a reason for a man to marry multiple women in our culture.

The trick is figuring out who this person is that God has given us to marry. Once this is figured out, probably by spiritual means and whatever else (everyone has a story), there is still our culture and law and convictions held by our friends, family, and community. Someone might say, what right does my community or national laws have over my marriage? Well, God gave our community and national laws a place, which is why marriage might look very different from one culture to the next, and God approves. God has given His term for the marriage, and we as a community and culture can give ours as well. We should do our best to respect both, without inhibiting the will of the greater. Meaning, if your culture sucks and you feel is disrespecting God and your ability to marry the person you feel He wants you to marry, then see if there are any loopholes first in the law and regulations of your nation/culture, and if that doesn't work, seek exile from your current culture. You see this a lot in all the best romance movies.

A lot of the rest falls into the "all things are permissible, but not everything is beneficial" category. What should I wear? How do I keep others from sinning? It's best to respect other's convictions above our own. Say, I might feel I'm within my Biblical rights to be a nudist and I can prove it Biblically, but that doesn't mean I should go flaunt my junk in front of a bunch of young, impressionable people with conservative parents. That's why cultural practices and values are important to recognize and respect. I think I can be within my Biblical rights and freedom to be a nudist around other nudists (I'm not one, just saying). Do your best to respect the values and conscience of those around you, and if you mess up you can claim ignorance for that time. It's better to respect someone else and their conscience, even if it conflicts with your own, because we're told not to disrespect our own consciences, and we can keep others from sinning by simply being aware of cultural differences and the like.
 

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I'm sorry but I have to ask...Has the body of Christ sunk so low and gotten so far off track that this really needs to be a topic of discussion at a gathering?

Hi Gypsy,

One of the major shifts in one's life when they are truly born-again and receive the Spirit of God is that they become hungry for the truth in EVERYTHING! Everything they do and everything they say and everything they read. Because the Spirit of Truth dwells in a person that has been born-again it is my observation that these people want truth in all their relationships, too. The Spirit of Truth is indispensable to a Believer and Jesus makes this point quite clear in the Gospel of John. Even in the material we read, we are now guided by the Holy Spirit to seek truth and to discern it. Those who have the Spirit of Truth residing in them are now seeing the world through different eyes and with a different heart and are being exercised in discerning those that do not have the Spirit of Truth.

Heb_5:14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

Whatever lies or false views we were dwelling in before salvation, the Spirit of Truth will be faithful to wrench us out of them afterwards. And this is a common testimony in many a Believer's life. Praise the Lord for His Holy Spirit where we do not have to walk by a "rule book" or have a personal shepherd (man) that we are always reporting to or checking with in order to stay on the "Narrow Road".

1Th_5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

The Holy Spirit is faithful and will lead us into all truth, especially in our relationships!!

Axehead
 

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If the person doesn't believe in ethics and standards of Chris's righteousness they will do as they please. Example to show a point. If you open a can of soda what happens? That's right it fizzes. So if two humans come together they have chemical reactions which they can't fight off. We know abortion is a terrible thing to do yet 1,000s of babies who are alive die from murder. So we must discipline ourselves to seek to occupy our minds with wholesome thoughts. Rom. 8:6, for they who are spiritually minded have life and peace, the carnal minded is death. My mother in law has Alzheimers and she has no control over her mouth, she always said she was a Christian but now she curses etc. That is because she didn't have it in her heart but her head. Now she is like Nebuchadnezzar who was mad. Dan.4:.
 

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Jason Ever discusses how couples can know "how far is too far?" in terms of physical affection.
2 minutes, 20 seconds


Excellent video. I have also seen the "Theology of the Body" by Christopher West, and that was also a good one. There is also a theology of the body for youths.