The Keys of the Kingdom of Heaven

Spirit Covenant · Nov 30, 2012

Selene said:
My brother, this was your statement below:

What Christ gave to St. Peter was REAL, and because it is REAL, we recognize it as REAL.The keys that Christ gave St. Peter was the keys of authority. I showed both you and Brother Rex the Scripture of Christ giving the keys to St. Peter, but in your mind....you don't see any keys because you don't see it as a REAL key. And that is why you made that statement. This is also the same reason Brother Rex kept asking me to show him the keys that Christ gave Peter. Anything that God gives is REAL. It is not symbolic. Only those with the eyes of Faith can actually see the keys of authority that Christ handed to the Apostle Peter.

But again, the debate is not whether Christ handed Peter the keys. We already know that Christ handed him the keys. The debate is "Is the Spirit of God the keys or not?" You claim that the Spirit of God is the key despite the fact that the Holy Bible does not say that. Only you and Brother Rex do not want to see that the "keys" Christ gave to Peter was actually the keys of authority. You say that the "Spirit of God" is the key that Christ gave to Peter. This is my reason for saying that you are incorrect:

The "Spirit of God is NOT a key." The Spirit of God is ALSO NOT the key that Christ gave to the Apostle Peter. Why?? Because right after God gave Peter the keys, Satan was found to be in Peter and Jesus rebuked Satan. So, if you believe that instead of keys.....Christ gave the "Spirit of God" to Peter, then why was Satan found to be inside Peter instead of the Spirit of God?? The Bible clearly shows that AFTER the keys were given to Peter, Satan was inside Peter.

Here it is in Matthew 16:19, Christ gave St. Peter the keys.

Matthew 16:19 I will give you the keys to the kingdom of Heaven. Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in Heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in Heaven.

And now AFTER the keys was given, Satan was found to be in Peter.

Matthew 16:23 He turned and said to Peter, "Get behind me, Satan! You are an obstacle to me. You are thinking not as God does, but as human beings do."

So, again, where does the Bible say that the Spirit of God is a key?? Nowhere in the Bible is the "Spirit of God" described as a key. It does not say it; therefore, what you teach goes against the Bible. To say that "the Spirit of God is a key or even the key that Christ gave the Apostle Peter" is going against the Bible because NOWHERE does the Bible say that. It is only your own private interpretation that says it. This is why the Holy Bible says not to make any private interpretation of Scripture.

What Christ gave Peter He gave everyone who will forsake all to follow Him. without the Spirit Of God you have no salvation. The flesh profits nothing, it is The Spirit that gives Life. Period. Peter can't save you neither can the Catholic Church. I am sorry for you that you can't see this. The true riches of Heaven is He who sits on the throne.

Luke 10
19 Behold, I give you the authority to trample on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing shall by any means hurt you.

Selene · Nov 30, 2012

Spirit Covenant said:
What Christ gave Peter He gave everyone who will forsake all to follow Him. without the Spirit Of God you have no salvation. The flesh profits nothing, it is The Spirit that gives Life. Period. Peter can't save you neither can the Catholic Church. I am sorry for you that you can't see this. The true riches of Heaven is He who sits on the throne.

Luke 10
19 Behold, I give you the authority to trample on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing shall by any means hurt you.

[font=lucida sans unicode']That is incorrect. The Holy Bible says that Christ gave the "keys" ONLY to St. Peter. He did not give the keys to anyone else in the New Testament. The Spirit of God is given to many people, but the keys was given only to one person. [/font]

Matthew 16:19 I will give YOU the keys to the kingdom of Heaven.

Christ was speaking only to Peter when He said this.

Spirit Covenant · Nov 30, 2012

Selene said:
[font=lucida sans unicode']That is incorrect. The Holy Bible says that Christ gave the "keys" ONLY to St. Peter. He did not give the keys to anyone else in the New Testament. The Spirit of God is given to many people, but the keys was given only to one person. [/font]

Matthew 16:19 I will give YOU the keys to the kingdom of Heaven.

Christ was speaking only to Peter when He said this.

Is the Catholic Church a big church in the Philippines? I know that you have been brought under their bondage but you don't have to be.

He was talking to Peter at that time but Peter would be the one who was hard hearted and denied Him three times before the rooster crowd. Peter needed a little more Grace, attention and TLC than the others.
The Keys that Christ gave to Peter are "The Seven Spirits of God". The Spirit of the Power of the Lord, of wisdom and understanding, of counsel and might, of knowledge and of the fear of the Lord. He also gave those keys to Saint John and all of the other Apostles and saints.

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Selene · Nov 30, 2012

Spirit Covenant said:
Is the Catholic Church a big church in the Philippines? I know that you have been brought under their bondage but you don't have to be.

He was talking to Peter at that time but Peter would be the one who was hard hearted and denied Him three times before the rooster crowd. Peter needed a little more Grace, attention and TLC than the others.
The Keys that Christ gave to Peter are "The Seven Spirits of God". The Spirit of the Power of the Lord, of wisdom and understanding, of counsel and might, of knowledge and of the fear of the Lord. He also gave those keys to Saint John and all of the other Apostles and saints.

Again, you have not shown me scripture stating that the keys given to St. Peter are the seven spirits of God. Where is the scripture for that? As a matter of fact, Strong's biblical translation of "keys" does NOT even say "spirit of God."

Yes, it is true that St. Peter denied Christ three times, but that still does not change the fact that Christ chose to give the keys to Peter and ONLY to Peter. The people whom God chooses is usually the worst one. Of the many disciples that Christ had, He chose 12 to be His Apostles, and those 12 were most likely the worst among the many disciples. Of the 12 Apostles He chose, Christ chose the worst because it was Peter who denied Him. That is how God works. He always chooses the weakest, the lowliest, and even the worst sinner. God never choose the strong or the wealthy. Look at St. Paul.....he was the persecutor of Christians, and he was chosen by God to be one of the greatest Apostles. Look at Israel.....of all the nations in the world, God chose the poorest of the poor to be His chosen people. The Israelites were slaves in Egypt and slaves were the poorest of the poor.

So, yes, God chose St. Peter to be the LEADER because he was the worst among the 12 Apostles. So, now show me the scripture saying that the spirit of God is a key.

dragonfly · Nov 30, 2012

Hi Selene,

It seems that you have been misinformed about how the keys work. We all know that keys are for doors, don't we?

Who is the Door? (Please reply.)

Rev 4:1

What did Jesus tell Peter and other apostles He would make them? (Please reply.)

How could that possibly happen, if Peter was the only person with 'the keys'?

You have read in posts, I hope, that faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Romans 10:17 (That's a clue.)

What is that a clue about? What did Peter do in Acts 2, and Acts 10? What had happened to Peter in Acts 10:9 - 16?

What did Peter think God was talking about? What do we call what happened to Peter in Acts 10? (Please answer all questions.)

I am not asking you to rewrite more RCC doctrine in your next post.

I am asking you to apply normal English comprehension to the questions, and see if you can answer them from the Bible correctly.

There are correct answers. All other answers are incorrect.

Selene · Nov 30, 2012

Hi Selene,

It seems that you have been misinformed about how the keys work. We all know that keys are for doors, don't we?

Who is the Door? (Please reply.)

Rev 4:1

Revelations 4:1 After this I had a vision of an open door to Heaven, and I heard the trumpetlike voice that had spoken to me before, saying, "Come up here and I will show you what must happen afterwards."

According to Revelations 4:1, the door is NOT a person. It is simply a door that is open. St. John said that he had a vision of an open door leading to Heaven; therefore, the door is not even a person.

What did Jesus tell Peter and other apostles He would make them? (Please reply.)

Jesus said that He will make them "fishers of men" and when Jesus asked for the fish, it was the Apostle Peter who carried the entire net to Him (See John 21:10-11).

How could that possibly happen, if Peter was the only person with 'the keys'?

How was what possible?

You have read in posts, I hope, that faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Romans 10:17 (That's a clue.)

What is that a clue about? What did Peter do in Acts 2, and Acts 10? What had happened to Peter in Acts 10:9 - 16?

In Acts 2, all the Apostles including Mary received the Holy Spirit at Pentecost, and after receiving the Holy Spirit......it was Peter who spoke up to the rest of the people to repent and to receive the Holy Spirit.

In Acts 10, Peter was the first one who baptized the first Gentiles. Cornelius was a Roman, the first Gentile baptized by Peter.

In Acts 10:9-16, God revealed to St. Peter that the unclean (Gentiles) are to be baptized because God said so. What God has made clean is no longer unclean, but clean. This revelation from God was given only to St. Peter and no one else.

In the same way, In Matthew 16, God revealed to Peter and ONLY to Peter that Christ was the Son of the living God....and that is why Christ changed His name and gave Peter and ONLY Peter the keys.

What did Peter think God was talking about? What do we call what happened to Peter in Acts 10? (Please answer all questions.)

Peter understood that what God has made clean is now clean and NOT unclean. He understood that God revealed this to him so that Peter would be the first to baptize the first Gentiles into His Church. And so it was. In Acts 10, Peter was the first to baptize the first Gentile into the Church, and he was also the first to perform the first miracle (Acts 3). Furthermore, among all the list of the Apostles, Peter's name is always listed first and Judas Iscariot is always listed last (See Matthew 10:2-4, Mark 3:16-19, and Acts 1:13). And among all the Apostles, ONLY Peter was told to take care of Christ's entire flock (See John 21:15-17).

dragonfly said:
Hi Selene,

It seems that you have been misinformed about how the keys work. We all know that keys are for doors, don't we?

Who is the Door? (Please reply.)

Rev 4:1

Revelations 4:1 After this I had a vision of an open door to Heaven, and I heard the trumpetlike voice that had spoken to me before, saying, "Come up here and I will show you what must happen afterwards."

According to Revelations 4:1, the door is NOT a person. It is simply a door that is open. St. John said that he had a vision of an open door leading to Heaven; therefore, the door is not even a person.

What did Jesus tell Peter and other apostles He would make them? (Please reply.)

Jesus said that He will make them "fishers of men" and when Jesus asked for the fish, it was the Apostle Peter who carried the entire net to Him (See John 21:10-11).

How could that possibly happen, if Peter was the only person with 'the keys'?

How was what possible?

You have read in posts, I hope, that faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Romans 10:17 (That's a clue.)

What is that a clue about? What did Peter do in Acts 2, and Acts 10? What had happened to Peter in Acts 10:9 - 16?

In Acts 2, all the Apostles including Mary received the Holy Spirit at Pentecost, and after receiving the Holy Spirit......it was Peter who spoke up to the rest of the people to repent and to receive the Holy Spirit.

In Acts 10, Peter was the first one who baptized the first Gentiles (Cornelius and his household) despite that Paul was the Apostle of the Gentiles. So, even if St. Paul was the one who converted most of the Gentiles, Peter was the FIRST one who baptized the first Gentile, paving the way for the rest of the Gentiles.

In Acts 10:9-16, God revealed to St. Peter and ONLY to St. Peter that the unclean (Gentiles) are to be baptized because God said so. What God has made clean is clean. This revelation was given only to St. Peter and no one else.

In the same way, In Matthew 16, God revealed to Peter and ONLY to Peter that Christ was the Son of the living God....and that is why Christ changed His name and gave Peter and ONLY Peter the keys. God reveals His revelation ONLY to St. Peter that Christ is the Son of God and that the Gentiles are to be brought into His Church.

What did Peter think God was talking about? What do we call what happened to Peter in Acts 10? (Please answer all questions.)

Peter understood that what God has made clean is now clean and NOT unclean. He understood that God revealed this to him so that Peter would be the first to baptize the first Gentiles into His Church. And Peter was the first to baptize the first Gentiles into the Church. He was also the first to perform the first miracle (Acts 3). Furthermore, among all the list of the Apostles, Peter's name is always listed first and Judas Iscariot is always listed last.

I am not asking you to rewrite more RCC doctrine in your next post.

I am asking you to apply normal English comprehension to the questions, and see if you can answer them from the Bible correctly.

There are correct answers. All other answers are incorrect.

Revelations 4:1 After this I had a vision of an open door to Heaven, and I heard the trumpetlike voice that had spoken to me before, saying, "Come up here and I will show you what must happen afterwards."

According to Revelations 4:1, the door is NOT a person. It is simply a door that is open. St. John said that he had a vision of an open door leading to Heaven; therefore, the door is not even a person.

What did Jesus tell Peter and other apostles He would make them? (Please reply.)

Jesus said that He will make them "fishers of men" and when Jesus asked for the fish, it was the Apostle Peter who carried the entire net to Him (See John 21:10-11).

How could that possibly happen, if Peter was the only person with 'the keys'?

How was what possible?

You have read in posts, I hope, that faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Romans 10:17 (That's a clue.)

What is that a clue about? What did Peter do in Acts 2, and Acts 10? What had happened to Peter in Acts 10:9 - 16?

In Acts 2, all the Apostles including Mary received the Holy Spirit at Pentecost, and after receiving the Holy Spirit......it was Peter who spoke up to the rest of the people to repent and to receive the Holy Spirit.

In Acts 10, Peter was the first one who baptized the first Gentiles (Cornelius and his household) despite that Paul was the Apostle of the Gentiles. So, even if St. Paul was the one who converted most of the Gentiles, Peter was the FIRST one who baptized the first Gentile, paving the way for the rest of the Gentiles.

In Acts 10:9-16, God revealed to St. Peter and ONLY to St. Peter that the unclean (Gentiles) are to be baptized because God said so. What God has made clean is clean. This revelation was given only to St. Peter and no one else.

In the same way, In Matthew 16, God revealed to Peter and ONLY to Peter that Christ was the Son of the living God....and that is why Christ changed His name and gave Peter and ONLY Peter the keys. God reveals His revelation ONLY to St. Peter that Christ is the Son of God and that the Gentiles are to be brought into His Church.

What did Peter think God was talking about? What do we call what happened to Peter in Acts 10? (Please answer all questions.)

Peter understood that what God has made clean is now clean and NOT unclean. He understood that God revealed this to him so that Peter would be the first to baptize the first Gentiles into His Church. And Peter was the first to baptize the first Gentiles into the Church. He was also the first to perform the first miracle (Acts 3). Furthermore, among all the list of the Apostles, Peter's name is always listed first and Judas Iscariot is always listed last.

I am not asking you to rewrite more RCC doctrine in your next post.

I am asking you to apply normal English comprehension to the questions, and see if you can answer them from the Bible correctly.

There are correct answers. All other answers are incorrect.

Spirit Covenant · Dec 1, 2012

Selene Again,

I am sorry for you that you can't see it. The Spirit of God truly is the key to salvation. The key to open every door and the key to life itself. Heaven is God's throne where He who is Spirit sits.

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Selene · Dec 1, 2012

Brother Covenant,
You still have not shown me where in the Bible does it ACTUALLY say that the spirit of God is a key. I do not want your opinion or your own interpretation of scripture. You claim that the spirit of God is the key, so where exactly does it say that in the Bible?? I want the exact words from the Bible saying that "the spirit of God is the key." And if you cannot show me that in the bible, why should I follow you??

I agree that salvation comes only from God, but that is not the question. The question is "Is the Spirit of God a key"? The Bible shows that the Spirit of God is a person because it can speak and grieve, and we know that the Spirit of God is the Holy Spirit (the third person in the Godhead), but where in the Bible does it say that the spirit of God is a key??

Jesus Christ is our salvation because it only through Him that we can come to the Father. We cannot go to the Father or even to God's Kingdom without Christ. Christ is the one who leads all to the Father because He is the one and only Mediator to the Father.

dragonfly · Dec 2, 2012

I want the exact words from the Bible saying that "the spirit of God is the key." And if you cannot show me that in the bible, why should I follow you??

This is the kind of logic which separates those who walk in the light, from those who walk in darkness.

Axehead · Dec 2, 2012

dragonfly said:
This is the kind of logic which separates those who walk in the light, from those who walk in darkness.

Amen! The Spirit of God revealed to Peter who the Rock was and Peter's life was forever changed when he realized the Rock was the Christ, the Son of the Living God. Everyone who comes into the Kingdom must receive this same revelation from the Spirit. The Key is Jesus Christ and He is the Head of the Church and the Foundation and Chief Cornerstone upon which the Apostles and Prophets and every born-again child of God is built on, and as such, no "other foundation can be laid than that which is laid which is is Jesus Christ." (1Co_3:11)

Without the revelation of the Spirit on who Christ is, one will only stumble in darkness.

Spirit Covenant · Dec 2, 2012

Axehead said:
Amen! The Spirit of God revealed to Peter who the Rock was and Peter's life was forever changed when he realized the Rock was the Christ, the Son of the Living God. Everyone who comes into the Kingdom must receive this same revelation from the Spirit. The Key is Jesus Christ and He is the Head of the Church and the Foundation and Chief Cornerstone upon which the Apostles and Prophets and every born-again child of God is built on, and as such, no "other foundation can be laid than that which is laid which is is Jesus Christ." (1Co_3:11)

Without the revelation of the Spirit on who Christ is, one will only stumble in darkness.

Amen Axehead

The stone that the builders rejected. The Key is Christ and Christ is God and God is Spirit.

Selene said:
Brother Covenant,
And if you cannot show me that in the bible, why should I follow you??

I don't want you to follow me. I want you to ask God, who is Spirit, for His Spirit and be saved.

John 4
24 God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth."

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Selene · Dec 4, 2012

Spirit Covenant said:
Amen Axehead

The stone that the builders rejected. The Key is Christ and Christ is God and God is Spirit.

I don't want you to follow me. I want you to ask God, who is Spirit, for His Spirit and be saved.

John 4
24 God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth."

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First you say that the Spirit of God is the key. Now, you're telling me that it's Jesus Christ. And of course, you say this right after I already stated in my post that Jesus Christ is the only way to the Father.

Axehead · Dec 4, 2012

Php_1:19 For I know that this shall turn to my salvation through your prayer, and the supply of the Spirit of Jesus Christ,

Rom_8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Rom_8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

Amen Axehead

The stone that the builders rejected. The Key is Christ and Christ is God and God is Spirit.

One of the very first things the Spirit of God taught me in reading the Scriptures and testing "spirits" is the the KEY to understanding is to run from anything that diminishes Christ. We see today, subtle and not so subtle teachings that remove the focus from Christ as the Centrality of the Christian walk and place it on men, whether alive or dead. It's old fashioned idolatry when our hearts go after anything or anyone else, rather than Christ.

Today, we have men who have taken Christ's place on earth and women who steal worship from Him.

The KEY to Kingdom is indeed Christ!

The Devil wants us to believe he has the KEYS.
Mat_4:9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.

Luk_4:6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.

He sounds powerful doesn't he?

Wordsmiths and textual critics and plain, all out liars abound today and the beautiful thing about having the Holy Spirit is that you don't have to be a Greek or Hebrew scholar, or well versed in church history, have a Seminary degree, or any specific level of worldly education. You just need to be acquainted with His voice and once you know His voice, Satan himself can come to you as an Angel of Light and try to convince you that he has the Keys and will give them to you and all the glory and power of them, if you just bow down and worship him and all the many idols that he parades in front of you.

John_10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

John_10:5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.

The greatest thing that the simple Christian has is the indwelling Spirit of God and the recognition of the Lord's voice. You may not be able to debate with the "princes of wordsmiths", but don't lose any sleep over that. Just continue to follow Him with all your heart, not turning to the "voices" on the left or right.

Satan, who is crafty and subtle, has created through men, crafty and subtle earthly, religious kingdoms. And they are highly organized mixing religion with politics, for Satan knows how to talk out of both sides of his mouth about every question imaginable. Satan's various religions are marked by "centralization" and "autocracy", desiring to keep its members in "mental slavery", so that very few would fear to think or act for themselves in a crisis. Thank God for brave men and women through the centuries that had the courage to break from various oppressive religions.

Satan has lured may unsuspecting believers away from biblical Christianity who chose to ignore the "voice of the Shepherd", (if they ever knew it) and brought them under the yoke of his "sparkling" and "fascinating" religions. He is all show, counterfeiting the true way of holiness for pomp and circumstance, stain glassed windows, candles, magic, liturgies, creeds, superstition and fancy robes. All very external but as Jude says, they are "clouds without water".

Jude_1:12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;

Jude_1:13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.

Axehead

Trekson · Dec 4, 2012

Well, I guess I'll add my three cents. Imo, the "keys" were given to Peter as a representative of the church, so they were not given to him and only him and this is backed up by Matt. 18:18 - "Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."

These instructions are for everyone. The "keys" are neither the Spirit of God, nor are they Christ. Imo, the "keys" are knowledge! Knowledge of who Christ was, how we live in this new covenant, knowledge of the reality of the HS, etc.

2Pet. 2:2 - "Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord..."
2Pet. 2:20 - " For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning."
2Pet. 3:18 - "But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen"
Heb. 10:26 - "For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins."
Pr. 1:7 - "The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction."
Luke 11:52 - "Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered."
Ho 4:6 - "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children."

dragonfly · Dec 4, 2012

Bravo, Trekson!

the "keys" were given to Peter as a representative of the church, so they were not given to him and only him and this is backed up by Matt. 18:18 - "Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."

The word 'ye' is plural. Simple!

Axehead · Dec 4, 2012

The word 'ye' is plural. Shows you (plural) how important the word "ye" is. I don't have to put a note behind it that says (plural).

And all the treasures of knowledge are wrapped up in the person of Christ.

You cannot disassociate true knowledge from the person of Jesus Christ. He is the fount of all knowledge. He is the Way, the TRUTH and the Life

There is no knowledge apart from Jesus Christ that will save a man, or forgive a man or light his way in darkness. You cannot separate TRUTH from Jesus Christ since HE IS THE TRUTH.

Hence, Jesus is the KEY and all the knowledge about Him are the KEYS

Pro_9:10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding

Luk_1:77 To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins,
Knowledge of salvation is knowledge about Jesus Christ.

The religious leaders of His day took away the key of knowledge . Here you see that the KEY is associated with KNOWLEDGE. And WHO is true knowledge?

Luk_11:52 Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered.

1Co_15:34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.

Rom_11:33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!

All that come to Him and receive Him are given the Keys of the Kingdom - Jesus Christ. What other key is there? To say there is another key instead of the Knowledge of Jesus Christ is to diminish Christ.

We, who have the KEYS (knowledge of Christ) of the Kingdom are to assist others in reaching the King. Christ showed that the religious teachers of His day, who had access to the knowledge of God's ways, had failed to do this. The Pharisees did not assist others, they shut up the door to heaven. Instead of shutting up the door and locking it, we are to use the keys to open the door so people can reach the King.

Revelation_3:7 speaks plainly of Jesus having the key. And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth

Christ is the steward of His Father's Kingdom. With that authority, Jesus could allow or disallow someone entrance into the Kingdom, but no man had or has that authority. Christ's statement in Matthew 16:19 meant that His apostles had authority to represent Him, and to teach as He taught, showing people the way to the King (opening the door). All who know the Lord are to help others into the Kingdom. Christ retains all of His authority, but lends His authority to genuine ministers of God today, to do the same work that He did.

Sadly, (and this was prophesied) many falsely claim His authority, today and take His place on earth today, shutting up the kingdom of heaven, because they point to themselves or other men, instead of Christ.

Axehead

dragonfly · Dec 4, 2012

(NKJV) Ephesians 4:13 till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ... 15 '... speaking the truth in love, may grow up in all things into Him who is the head—Christ—
16 from whom the whole body, joined and knit together by what every joint supplies, according to the effective working by which every part does its share, causes growth of the body for the edifying of itself in love.

17 This I say, therefore, and testify in the Lord, that you should no longer walk as the rest of the Gentiles walk, in the futility of their mind, 18 having their understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God, because of the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart; 19 who, being past feeling, have given themselves over to lewdness, to work all uncleanness with greediness.

20 But you have not so learned Christ, 21 if indeed you have heard Him and have been taught by Him, as the truth is in Jesus:22 that you put off, concerning your former conduct, the old man which grows corrupt according to the deceitful lusts, 23 and be renewed in the spirit of your mind, 24 and that you put on the new man which was created according to God, in true righteousness and holiness.

Stumpmaster · Dec 5, 2012

Matthew 16:19

And I will give unto you the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever you shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever you shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Interesting topic. John Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible has this to say:

"Keys are the ensigns of treasurers, and of stewards, and such the ministers of the Gospel are; they have the rich treasure of the word under their care, put into their earthen vessels to open and lay before others; and they are stewards of the mysteries and manifold grace of God, and of these things they have the keys. So that these words have nothing to do with church power and government in Peter, nor in the pope, nor in any other man, or set of men whatever; nor to be understood of church censures, excommunications, admissions, or exclusions of members: nor indeed are keys of any such similar use; they serve for locking and unlocking doors, and so for keeping out those that are without, and retaining those that are within, but not for the expulsion of any: but here they are used in a figurative sense, for the opening and explaining the truths of the Gospel, for which Peter had excellent gifts and abilities."

In considering the context of the verse in question our first thought should be of the Jewish nation.The kingdom of heaven; or of the Gospel, was shut up to them.
The ignorance, malice, and calumnies of the Scribes and Pharisees, who would neither embrace it, nor enter into the Kingdom of God themselves, nor suffer others to enter into it, meant that a divine Way to open it was needed.

Whilst the religious leaders were intent on taking away the key of knowledge, or the right interpretation of the word of God; and giving the Jewish nation up to a judicial blindness, the Kingdom of Heaven was also shut up to the Gentiles through the natural darkness that was spread over them, and through want of a divine revelation, and persons sent of God to instruct them.

Thank God that, first Peter on the Day of Pentecost, and then all the Apostles were able to use the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven to open the Gospel of the glory of Christ to both Jew and Gentile alike.

Axehead · Dec 5, 2012

Fellowminister said:
Whilst the religious leaders were intent on taking away the key of knowledge, or the right interpretation of the word of God; and giving the Jewish nation up to a judicial blindness, the Kingdom of Heaven was also shut up to the Gentiles through the natural darkness that was spread over them, and through want of a divine revelation, and persons sent of God to instruct them.

Thank God that, first Peter on the Day of Pentecost, and then all the Apostles were able to use the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven to open the Gospel of the glory of Christ to both Jew and Gentile alike.

Amen! And every Believer after the Apostles use the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven to open the Gospel to others.

veteran · Dec 5, 2012

Selene said:
First you say, that Isaiah 22 has nothing to do with the Pope, and I proved you incorrect. Now, you are saying this?? What has this have to do with what I posted?

Don't you know that God calls certain people. He called Eliakim to be the "father" of Jerusalem and gave him the keys. He called Peter to be the "leader of the Apostles" and gave him the keys. If God can call these people, He can call the Pope and even make him the "father" of the Church just as He made Eliakim the "father" of Jerusalem" and Abraham, the "father" of many nations. It is not your choice. It is God's choice.

That's right, Isaiah 22 has absolutely NOTHING to do with the office of a bishop or pope. It has EVERYTHING to do with this...

Isa 9:6-7
6 For unto us a Child is born, unto us a Son is given: and the government shall be upon His shoulder: and His name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
7 Of the increase of His government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon His kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.
(KJV)

Isa 22:21-25
21 And I will clothe him with thy robe, and strengthen him with thy girdle, and I will commit thy government into his hand: and he shall be a father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and to the house of Judah.
22 And the key of the house of David will I lay upon his shoulder; so he shall open, and none shall shut; and he shall shut, and none shall open.
23 And I will fasten him as a nail in a sure place; and he shall be for a glorious throne to his father's house.
24 And they shall hang upon him all the glory of his father's house, the offspring and the issue, all vessels of small quantity, from the vessels of cups, even to all the vessels of flagons.
25 In that day, saith the LORD of hosts, shall the nail that is fastened in the sure place be removed, and be cut down, and fall; and the burden that was upon it shall be cut off: for the LORD hath spoken it.
(KJV)

What was that you said now about having already proven the meaning of that Isaiah 22 Scripture? Maybe in your 'dreams' you have done so, but not here. You cannot just go reassigning the meanings there God gives in regard to the throne of David and Christ's Kingdom to come sitting upon the throne of David, on earth IN JERUSALEM, for that's what the Isa.22 Scripture is symbolically referring to, even in connection with the house of Judah. And you think just because the origin of the word 'pope' comes from 'papa' that justifies assigning that there? Nuts.

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