Was there a pre-Adamic race?

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Kriss Did you really mean to post this
For thousands of years, every human child has been born with an inherited sin nature and sinful flesh (Romans 8:3). This is a result of our sinful first parents, Adam and Eve to whom we are all genetically related. Each generation (without exception) has sinned (Rom. 3:23) and passed on its sinful nature and the curse of death, to each succeeding generation (the biblical doctrine of imputation of sin - Romans 5:12-19). There is only one exception in history. Although Jesus grew in the womb of Mary, in the same manner as any baby, he was different from all other babies. It appears that he was not genetically related to either Mary or Joseph, for both had an inherited sin nature. Jesus was sinless, and one may reasonably assume without genetic flaw, since he was to serve as the spotless and sacrificial Lamb of God.
Thats all I have been trying to say
 

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Yes but this is the writers opinion not biblical facts I posted because it was part of theMary generation post I have nothing to hide I am perfectly aware that this is the commonly held belief as everyone who reads this site is. I just expect you all to look at the evidence presented in scripture and use your grey matter and realize that what men say and what God says are not necessarily always the the same thing. That doesnt mean men dont say worthwhile thing of course they do. Knowledge has increased just as God said it would things that were not so obvious 500/1000 years ago are now common knowledge to fourth graders so it is with Gods word. Preachers and teachers of the Word 100/200 years ago did not have access to the original Hebrew and Greek at the click of a button or maybe they would have seen what is now visable.The best Educated men of the day used to think the earth was the center of the universe they were not trying to mislead anyone to the best of there knowledge that was true. Rev. could not have been decode 100 years ago as it is today Was that because they were misleading you ? No, they did the best they could with the knowledge they had. Today we have we have the tools to see more. Lets look at it rather than hide our heads in the sand because religious men of Old with barely a 6th to 8th grade education said so. If we decide its not of Gods Word fine. But lets not dismiss it because someone said thats not what they were told.
 

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Why Not Say It. I Thought Yu Said We Where Not Direct Descandants From Adam And Eve. That There Where Other People Before Adam And Eve. That Is Hogwash. Kriss Yu Know Genesis. Maybe I Misunderstood.
 

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I Thought Yu Said We Where Not Direct Descandants From Adam And Eve. That There Where Other People Before Adam And Eve. That Is Hogwash. Kriss Yu Know Genesis.
Let me get this straight. You believe that there were no people before Adam and Eve?Pete
 

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Why would God tell Adam & Eve to replenish the earth.When He could have just said, Go multiply.Last I've seen in my little knowledge of the english language, re : means to do something over again!So there had to be something else before Adam.Also who was Lucifer Trafficing with before his fall!
 

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JodiThe fact that God said to Adam and Eve to replenish the earth does not mean God created other people at this time (the different races) I believe God replenished the Earth using only Adam and Eve Acts 17:26And He has made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, and has determined their preappointed times and the boundaries of their dwellingsGen 3:20And Adam called his wife's name Eve, because she was the mother of all living.
The time period from the forming of Adam 4004 B.C., on the eight day of the creation period,
Eighth day of creation???If Adam was the first man, then there was no 8th day1 cor 15:47The first man was of the earth, made of dust; the second Man is the Lord from heaven.Gen 2:1THUS the heavens and the earth, and all the host of them, were finished. Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done.Creation was finished on the sixth day
 

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We all know this is what we all were taught John. The question is does scripture tell us more/differently that is what this is about. Now you do not have to agree the bible says anything differently than you believe and have been told. But lets try to look at the evidence objectively.
 

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Genesis 1:28 28And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
Replenish (Strong's H4390)1) to fill, be fulla) (Qal)1) to be fulla) fulness, abundance (participle)
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to be full, be accomplished, be ended2) to consecrate, fill the hand
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(Niphal)1) to be filled, be armed, be satisfied2) to be accomplished, be endedc) (Piel)1) to fill2) to satisfy3) to fulfil, accomplish, complete4) to confirmd) (Pual) to be fillede) (Hithpael) to mass themselves against
You get the idea. Replenish means Fill in Hebrew. Not Re-Fill.
 

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KrissThank you for your patience, but I gave scriptural reason for what I believe. The scriptures don’t contradict themselves, so we have a dilemma, unless you can give me a reason why the scriptures I have posted are wrong, I can’t change my beliefs Let me try this a different way. I would not have near as much of a problem with what you believe, if you would at least acknowledge that you can understand why I believe as I do and explain why the scriptures I have sited are false. I have truly tried to understand your view and the problem I have is I need you or someone with your beliefs to explain this to me .I can’t imagine anyone reading the bible coming to your conclusions on there own. What it seems to me is you are saying the bible doesn’t mean what it says. You have to look deep into the meaning of the words and not just the picture it is paintingOn this topic alone we have these problems Gen 4:1And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.Right from the beginning of this subject we have a problem with scriptures. Scripture tells us Adam is the father of Cain not Satan. The bible tells me this, but you say I am wrong Then there is the fact that the bible says God created everything in six days and rested, but again, it is stated that I am wrong, that Adam was created on the 8th day. I thought after six days God rested. But here we see you have him working again, not sure how this affects our Sabbath rest?Scripture says Adam is the first man as I have stated before 1cor 15:47 Scripture tells us we are all related acts 17:26 And through one blood all nations of man dwell on the face of the earth But you have told me I am wrong on the sixth day he created the races not Adam, Eve is the mother of all that is living Gen 3:21 but again I have to be told what it really means And then there is the story of Noah scripture says 8 people were in the Ark, but again I am wrong all the races were saved.I have never been taught scriptures, I was given a bible by a coworker while I was in my 20s my thought are my own. And if you went back and looked at my posts you would know this to be true The bible paints a picture; I would never come to your conclusions unless taught them. Nor do I think anyone else would. I would like to ask you and those with your view, if you came to these conclusions your self or were you taught them?
 

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You are not taught the truth from yourself, but through the Holy Spirit communicating to you through the Bible. You may read a chapter 250 times. But on the 251 you'll learn something new. The Bible is the only book that reads back to you.
 

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What Im saying is the Bible was not written in English there are many Hebrew words that there is no English translation for. Thus the translators did the best they could. Hebrew is a fixed language When you read the Hebrew you get a little different picture.These ideas of Men before Adam and three world ages are not knew they were seen long ago by hebrew scholars. Im just saying with our modern tools our ability to access the Hebrew and cross referance the word at a click of the button we need to put our preconcieved ideas on the self for a minute and see if we missed something and is there scripture to back it up if not weve lost nothing but some time. I will show you some things for you to consider and ask about. If you dont see it fine your minds not changed. Its not my goal to convince anyone of anything. I am just saying when we combine the ancient Hebrew with a little science of today we start to see ther might be more than what we were always taught.
 

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Does anyone here read the Companion Bible?? It is scripture on the left side and on the right side is an indepth hebrew word explanation. It aslo has a structure laid out for each chapter. If you look at the first chapters in Genesis then refer to the hebrew on the right it will show you how there was a world age before this one. Now I cant be positive of the date I think this Bible was written in the 1800's early 1900's as the Appenx. are written by Bulinger this is the Bible of the scholars so takes some getting used to. But give it a look does it say everything Im saying not exactly again this is from an earlier time but gives us some interesting clues for example notice the word creature means soul. http://www.companionbiblecondensed.com/OT/Genesis..pdf
 

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For thousands of years, every human child has been born with an inherited sin nature and sinful flesh (Romans 8:3). This is a result of our sinful first parents, Adam and Eve to whom we are all genetically related. ...
If we are all decendants of Adam and Eve then there would not be different races on Earth. This is because Adam and Eve lived about 6 thousand years ago and something had to happen to give all the different races. Assuming that mechanism was evolution then evolution wouldn't have had the time to work during this short time span. Plus I'm not sure what a race of people who came from just two people would be like. They'd have to have had incestual relations in order to have children. The first few generations would be a problem. Not sure what happens after that. Anyone have any idea about this?Pete
 

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This is what people do not get the bible says nothing about this after Adam and Eveyet people come up with all kinds of explanations the incest wasnt a sin yet, that the natural effects of incest was stalled off for a time, theroy after guess after guess's. Not one fact. But when you give the explanation of a races being first before Adam even though it can shown accurate through the Hebrew and scriptural they refuse to hear it because men have told them so. I do not understand how guessing and theroys take presdence over Gods word just because one had not learnd of it beforeAnd to add measure to this truth we have science not only of fossils but of genetics and plain common sense but this is all denied. For what guess's and speculation.makes no sense to me Pete
 

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Hello JohnLet me see if I can helpAnd yes I can understand why you believe as you do,with that said I will start by saying you must understand the word Adam.Adam and adam, The Man Adam and mankind. Plus, the four principle Hebrew words translated "man" in our English Bibles; With definitions Let's realize the difference between adam (mankind) and Adam (The Man Adam from the Garden). We see in {Gen 6:3} that Adam (the word man used here is haa-Aadaam in the Manuscripts, meaning, The man Adam (8th day) and his progeny (offspring); not aadaam which simply means mankind, or the sixth day men and their families. In the Hebrew language the word aadaam means mankind). Now when you place the definite article (haa) and the particle ('eth) with aadaam, you have 'eth- haa-aadaam = This very same Man Adam. It is very emphatic, it is speaking of one particular individual out of all. eth- haa-aadaam occurs in {Gen 2:7,8,15} and {Gen 6:4} (list not comprehensive). These articles (haa) and particles ('eth) are not used in English as they are in Hebrew. Hebrew word #853: 'eth Sign (marker) of the definite direct object, not translated in English but generally preceding and indicating the accusative case Below we see that what is translated as 'daughters of men' is really 'daughters of the man Adam,' there is a difference! Gen 6:2 2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. (KJV) In the Hebrew language there are four principle words rendered 'man' in our English translation of the Old Testament Hebrew Bible (spelling varies): Aadaam = denotes his origin, as from the dust of the "Adamah." man or mankind. Aadaam with the article it is haa-aadaam = The man Adam. Aadaam with the article and particle it is eth- haa-aadaam = this very self-same man Aadaam (very emphatic). 'Ish = in regards to sex, male. 'Enosh = has regards to his infirmities, as physically mortal, and as to character, incurable. Know for their moral depravity. Geber = has regards to strength, a mighty man. In {Gen 6:4} we see three out of the above four, as well as the Giants which is Napiliym or of the fallen: Gen 6:4 4 There were giants [= Ha-Napiliym] in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men [=daughters of (the man) 'Adam], and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men [= Geber] which were of old, men of renown [= Enosh]. (KJV) But anyway, in {Gen 6:3} Adam had become like the rest of the mankind, i.e., corrupt, sinful like the 6th day creation, and thus all their lives were shortened to a maximum of 120 years. Thus they had become 'mortal', meaning, liable to die someday. Gen 4:1And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.
Right from the beginning of this subject we have a problem with scriptures. Scripture tells us Adam is the father of Cain not Satan.
II Corinthians 11:2 "For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ."Paul had converted these Corinthians and taught them enough to get their church on the move. Paul is speaking here about and directing attention to those people that are meddling with the church that he has established. Paul is having righteous jealousy over the converts that he brought to salvation, and he is telling them that he has made each of them part of "the bride of Jesus Christ", the anointed One. This isn't hard to understand, for most everyone knows what a virgin is. A virgin is an untouched woman. Paul is saying that he wants to present each of these Corinthians as a chaste virgin to Christ, in as much as they are the bride of Christ. Paul is saying that He doesn't want Christ's bride messed with by any of these super-preachers that are causing the divisions within the churches. For a young woman to be "espoused" to her husband means that she is completely committed to him, even before the vows have been exchanged. Paul is using this relationship whereby we could understand the emotions of Christ towards His bride. The feeling and commitment goes both ways, and applies to the man as much as it applies to the woman. It is no great secret what causes virginity to be lost, for it is being unfaithful sexually to the one you are espoused to marry. If a woman has been unfaithful, and is with child, how could she expect that she could be accepted by the man she was espoused to, when she is carrying another man's child? Paul is afraid that if Christians start listening to these fairy-tale preachers, they will be taken by the wrong christ, or Satan the Antichrist [the instead of Christ]. Then when Jesus Christ returns at the seventh trumpet, they will be found unworthy to be part of "the bride of Christ". Remember what Jesus said in Matthew 24:19; "And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!" He was not referring to a mother with a child in her womb, but spiritually speaking, Christians that have given themselves over to the wrong husband. In ignorance they will have been deceived into climbing into the spiritual bed of Satan, and their hearts have been given over to the Satan. If you are one of the whores of Satan, than you cannot be one of the virgins of Christ waiting with your lamps full of oil [which is the truth from God's Word] that is waiting for the coming of the bridegroom, which is Jesus Christ. Paul now is putting it into a language that most anyone can understand. Paul is saying; "I'm afraid that one of these false teachers is going to seduce you."II Corinthians 11:3 "But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtlety, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ."What is Paul afraid of? Now Paul is getting very detailed on a matter that we ought to take a deeper look into. Do you know who the "serpent" is from the Garden of Eden, and how Satan [the serpent] "beguiled Eve"? Most churches today that are all wrapped up in apples and apple orchards and they just don't care about the truth from God's Word, for they feel that this is not directed to them. Those churches think that they are just to pure for God's Word. We know from Revelation 12:9 exactly who the "serpent" is that beguiled Eve.Revelation 12:9 "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him."Satan is the devil that played the role of the deceiving serpent in the Garden of Eden. Satan is not an apple, but a man with supernatural powers, and he was with Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden, just as God was in the role of "the Tree of Life". Don't let anyone tell you different. Satan was the old devil; it was Satan in the role of the serpent [the deceiver] that beguiled Eve. To make it plain and simple, Satan was in the role of a deceiver [serpent] when he had sexual relations with Eve, and Eve lost her virginity. There was no eating of apples and wearing of bibs, but there was a sexual relationship and following that physical event, Adam and Eve both made themselves "aprons", and not bibs.Genesis 3:6 "And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat."Eve gave herself to both Satan and to her husband Adam. A sex orgy took place between and with Eve and the two men Satan and Adam. Satan beguiled Eve through his subtlety and he out-smarted her. This act which we call "seduced" is speaking of sexual relations. How is this possible? Satan is the most beautiful being that God had ever created. Ezekiel 28:12-15 tells us that Satan, the "tree of good and evil" was the most beautiful tree created by God, and Eve desired to take from that tree. Eve took of the fruit of that tree [which was the man Satan], which is another way of saying, "she lost her virginity". Genesis 3:7 "And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons."Once this sin was committed, both Adam and Eve's eyes were open to wickedness, but close to truth. Lets think on this for a moment! Jesus told us to learn the "parable of the fig tree" in the gospels. This warning is given in Matthew 24:32, Mark 13:28, and Luke 21:29, yet most churches of today are completely ignoring God's warning to them, and have chose to follow after fairy tales that the Kenites, Satan's children are teaching them.Adam and Eve were in a fig orchard, and not an apple orchard. Do you think that they made apple masks from apple tree leaves to cover their mouths? How silly can you get! Yet this is the type of ignorance being preached from most pulpits today. Adam and Eve made aprons out of fig leaves to cover their private parts, for their sin was the sex act with Satan. Once this sinks into your mind, then you will start to understand the truth that is winding through the entire scriptures; and you can see why it was important to the Kenites to hide their identity, and for them to virtually take over the duties of the scribes, as it is recorded in I Chronicles 2:55.I Chronicles 2:55 "And the families of the scribes which dwelt at Jabez [Jerusalem in a fallen state]; the Tirathites, the Shimeathites, and Suchathites. These are the Kenites that came of Hamath, the father of the house of Rechab."These Kenites, which are the sons of Satan's son Cain. They are the offspring of Satan from the garden of Eden, and they are the ones that took over the duties of the scribes in Jerusalem after the captivity in Babylon. They took over the duties of doing the interpretation of the Words that God spoke to His children through the prophets. It was through these Kenite scribes that their traditions took priority over the laws of Moses, and are the ones that listed their names among the children of Israel. They are not of Moses, nor Israel, nor of Judah, but of the house of Rechab, an offspring of Cain, from the land of Hamath. Kenites are oriental peoples. Lets see exactly what the word "Kenites" means in the Strong's Hebrew dictionary. The number for "Kenites" is given in # 7014; "Qayin, kah'-yin; the same as 7013, (with a play on the affinity to 7069,) Kajin, the name of the first child, also of a place in Palestine, and an Oriental tribe:- Cain, Kenite (s)."When Cain was born as Recorded in Genesis 4:1, and then in verse two it reads; "And she again bare his brother Abel, And Abel was a keeper of sheep but Cain was a tiller of the ground." Its strange that Cain would have the duties which Adam was created for, and then those rights were taken from him because of his murdering his brother. The word "again" in this verse two in the Hebrew dictionary is #3254; "Yacaph, to continue, to conceive again, to continue to do the same thing." What happens when a woman has just given birth to a baby and she continues to do the same thing she has just done? Of course she has twins. These are not identical twins that Eve conceived, because they had two different fathers. Lets go to # 7017; "Qeyniy, kay-nee', or Qiyniy (I Chron.2:55), kee-nee'; patorn from 7014, a Kenite or member of the tribe of Kajin:-Kenite."When you come to understand what took place in the garden of Eden, then you will understand the "parable of the sower and fig tree" of Mathew 13 which is the key to most of the prophecies of both the Old and the New Testament. To this day the fig leaf is to symbolize that which is hidden, and hidden within Eve was an evil thing. At birth the first to be born was Satan's and Eve's son "Cain". The next of the sons to be born was "Abel", the son of Adam from the affair that took place nine months earlier. The brothers were twins because of what took place when Eve was seduced. The conception took place at the same time. Sin entered the Garden and mankind at this time, and because of that sin God gave us His promise in Genesis 3:15.Genesis 3:15 "And I [God] will put enmity between thee [Satan] and the woman [Eve], and between thy [Satan's] seed [the Kenites] and her Seed [Jesus Christ]; It [Christ] shall bruise thy [Satan's] head, and thou [Satan] shall bruise His [Christ's] heel."Eve's "Seed" [Jesus Christ] did not come through Abel because Cain killed his brother Abel in his youth, but Jesus came through the lineage of Seth. While Satan's seed, to the last generation, are called the "Kenites". Kenites are the children of Cain, the first murderer, who was born to the sexual union between Satan and Eve in the garden of Eden. Most "men of God" acknowledge that Genesis 3:15 is talking about the death of Jesus Christ, when He was nailed to the cross for our sins. They realize that the "Seed" is referring to Christ, and the offspring of Eve through Adam, but somehow they want to spiritualize everything else that happened in the Garden of Eden between Eve and the two men Satan and Adam. The "seed" in the Hebrew is called "zimah", and in the Greek it is "sperma". We in the English call it "sperm", and in the Strong's Hebrew Dictionary it is # 2233; "Posterity, carnally, child, fruitful". Friend, it can't be any clearer. The seed of Satan's "posterity" are the Kenites, while Adam's "Posterity" is in Christ through the lineage that went through David, Judah, Abraham, Noah, Seth and Adam. The complete lineage is given in Luke 3:23-38. You will never really grow up in God's Word, until you can understand the reality of what took place in the Garden of Eden, and why; It will be difficult for you to mature in the Word of God and in true Christianity. Paul is bringing this event out here in II Corinthians 11:3, where the serpent deceived Eve, and being very subtle about it Satan lied to her. When Satan seduced Eve, a son came from that sexual union named Cain. Paul is saying, "...so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ." Your "mind" is something that you think with, and it determines everything you say and do. If your mind is corrupted, then what you say and do becomes corrupted, and the "simplicity" that we have in Christ is also corrupted. Paul is saying that "as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtlety," it then becomes necessary to know what the Greek word for "beguiled" means. In the Strong's Greek dictionary it is # 1818; "exapatao, ex-ap-at-ah'-o; from 1537, and 538; to seduce wholly: beguile, deceive.""Exapatao" has one meaning and that one meaning is "to seduce wholly". It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand what "to be seduced wholly" means. It means to be sexually seduced completely to where your virginity is take from you. It means that the woman has lost her virginity completely. It is one of those things that you either have or you do not have, for there is no in-between. So the analogy that Paul is using in this verse relating to "exapatao" is also being translated into the English as "beguiled", and "deceived", when it should read, "being wholly seduced".So if you could understand what Paul is saying here, then you would understand completely why the Kenites wearing the priest's robes, and sitting in the seat of Moses. The whole time these scribes were judging Christ, they were so mad they wanted to kill Jesus. Jesus had revealed their secret when He said in Matthew 23:2; "Saying, "The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat"." The fact is that they were not of God, nor of any part of Israel and Judah, but of their father the devil, who is Satan. Jesus had exposed their identity, as written in John 8:44.John 8:44 "Ye are of your father the devil, [Satan] and the lusts of your father ye will do. He [Cain] was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it."Jesus had just identified these Kenite priests and scribes as being the offspring of Cain, the first murderer, who came from that sexual union between Satan and Eve. Satan is the father of lies, and his son Cain was the first murderer. That can't be all that hard to understand. Genesis 4:8 "And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him." These two twin half brothers talked about the offering each had given to God, whereby Cain's offering was refused by God. Cain became jealous of Abel, and after talking with him, he premeditated, plotted and murdered Abel in the field. Jesus let these Kenites know exactly that he knew their hidden secrets, and that he knew who they were, and now so do you. The Kenites can do nothing to God's people unless it is done through deception, and the truth is hidden from them. When you allow the Kenites to do your interpretation for you, then how in the world do you ever expect to know the truth. This is why it is essential to learn the Word of God by taking it back to the languages that it was written in, and we do this by the use of tools like the Companion Bible, the Strong's Concordance whereby the words are numbered to the original meanings from the language it was first written in. When you ask God's Spirit to lead you in your studies, He will open your mind to the understanding. It is for this reason Paul and Jesus Christ did not want you seduced either, but they want your spiritual eyes open to the truth. Jesus said in Matthew 24:19, and Mark 13:17; "But woe to them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days." Jesus was giving His response to the disciples question; "What will it be like at the end", Then Christ gave seven things that would come to pass in the end generation. These seven things are parallel with the seven seals of the book of Revelation. "Those days" are the days that Jesus Christ returns at the seventh trumpet. In II Corinthians 11:2 Paul had told these Corinthians that he had espoused them, by converting them into Christianity, and they had become Christ's bride. Each of them, man and woman alike were now engaged to be married to One Entity, Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is the Husband. Now Paul is telling them that as a bride of Christ, he does not want them to be seduced wholly as Eve was seduced completely by Satan. Now in this warning, "woe to you that are with child.." Jesus was not talking about mothers having a child in their wombs on the day of His return, because we are instructed that we are to replenish the earth. But Christ was speaking in a spiritual sense. When you take the "mark of the beast", who is Satan, in your mind it means that you were not loyal to Christ. It means that you did not wait for the True Christ's return at the Seventh trumpet, but you were taken at the sixth trumpet, five months prior; and of course you would be standing five months pregnant spiritually at his return. Many today teach that Satan will rule in the role of Antichrist either seven years, or three and a half years, however Jesus set the record straight in Mark 13:20.Mark 13:20 "And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom He hath chose, He hath shortened the days."We know from Revelation 9:5 that those days were shortened to five months, and that is why the reference to "..those that are with child". Mark 13:21 "And then if any man shall say to you, 'Lo, here is Christ;' or, 'lo, He is there;' believe him not:"This is the warning from Jesus Christ to you, if you plan to remain true to Him until He returns. Many today think that they are going to be raptured out of here, and fly-away in some fairy tale, but God wants his elect to remain here on earth and true to him until He returns for his bride. If you are all set on flying out of here, then you have not been listening to Jesus warning given here to you. The Bible doesn't teach a rapture of any sorts, but you are to remain a virgin bride for Christ until the day of the wedding at His second coming. Hope that helped will address more of your points latterhttp://theseason.org/
 

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This is what people do not get the bible says nothing about this after Adam and Eve yet people come up with all kinds of explanations the incest wasnt a sin yet, that the natural effects of incest was stalled off for a time, theroy after guess after guess's.
Adam and Eve's children might have had offspring even if it was a sin though. Consider Abraham. He was married to his step sister, a relationship forbidden by the laws of Moses just as all incestual relationships are.
Not one fact.
Yeah, but facts can be so inconvenient.
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But when you give the explanation of a races being first before Adam even though it can shown accurate through the Hebrew and scriptural they refuse to hear it because men have told them so. I do not understand how guessing and theroys take presdence over Gods word just because one had not learnd of it before And to add measure to this truth we have science not only of fossils but of genetics and plain common sense but this is all denied. For what guess's and speculation.makes no sense to me Pete
Same here Kriss. Thanks for your response.Pete
 

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Heres the facts not guess work or speculationGenesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.This clearly shows us that this was the 6th day man and was created before Adam and Eve were created in Genesis chapter 2. In fact what you need to do is translate the word man to the Hebrew which is adam with no article. This means mankind, not one particular man or person. Now in Gensis 2:7 it says-Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man (with article)became a living soul.The word man in this verse is adam again but this time it is with article. Which means this same man Adam or this specific person. Not just mankind. I apologize if you know this already but you had said you needed some scritpure to back things up a bit.this is something like the difference in english as saying that man as oppesed to all menOne day with the Lord is 1000 days to mankind/one day with mankind is 1000 years to God (2 peter)
 

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Why is this even an issue? Is this debate a staple that holds our faith together?
great question E.No it doesnt thats what I don't get myself even if you assume there were people before Adam how does that change anything? Adam was still created by God and given something special(different then others) through the breath of God. And he was the first of the bloodline of Christ and Adam was created for that reason. it changes nothing of what we believe, So I ask the same thing why are people so shocked by this ? It takes nothing away from who Adam was or who Christ is.
 

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Here is an interesting excerpt from an ancient Hebrew Document this not scripture and should not be taken as such but is insight to the believes /teachings of the ancient HebrewsSo those who think this idea is New and was never taught are wrong this idea. "Where of Cain had great envy unto his brother Abel, which arose against him and slew him. And our Lord said to him: Where is Abel thy brother? He answered and said: I wot never, am I keeper of my brother? Then our Lord said: What hast thou done? The voice of the blood of thy brother crieth to thee from the earth, wherefore thou art cursed, and accursed be the earth that received the blood of thy brother by his mouth of thy hands. When thou shalt work and labour the earth it shall bring forth no fruit, but thou shalt be fugitive, vagabond, and void on the earth. This Cain deserved well to be cursed, knowing the pain of the first trespass of Adam, yet he added thereto murder and slaughter of his brother. Then Cain, dreading that beasts should devour him, or if he went forth he should be slain of the men, or if he dwelt with them, they would slay him for his sin, damned himself, and in despair said: My wickedness is more than I can deserve to have forgiveness, whoso find me shall slay me. This he said of dread, or else wishing, as who said, would God he would slay me. Then our Lord said: Nay not so, thou shalt die, but not soon, for whosoever slayeth Cain shall be punished seven sithes more, for he should deliver him from dread, from labour and misery, and added that he should be punished personally sevenfold more. This punition shall endure to him in pain unto the seventh, Lameth, whosomever shall slay seventh Cain shall loose seven vengeances. Some hold that his pain endured unto the seventh generation, for he committed seven sins. He departed not truly, he had envy to his brother, he wrought guilefully, he slew his brother falsely, he denied it, he despaired and damned, he did no penance. And after he went into the east, fugitive and vagabond. Cain knew his wife which bare Enoch, and he made a city and named it Enoch after the name of his son Enoch. Here it showeth well that this time were many men, though their generation be not said, whom Cain called to his city, by whose help he made it, whom he induced to theft and robbery. He was the first that walled or made cities; dreading them that he hurted, for surety he brought his people into the towns. Then Enoch gat Irad, and Irad Mehujael, and he gat Methusael, and he gat Lameth, which was the seventh from Adam and worst.Anyone interested in reading a great book about this city building of Cain might like to read a little Book calledSargon the Magnificenthttp://www.docrob.100megsfree5.com/sargon/sargon001.htm