Was there a pre-Adamic race?

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Well I doubt Jag and Denver are happy about being ladies but I am:)The best thing to do with these kind of new ideas is to put it on the shelf of your mind and see if the more you learn the more it fits and falls into place. If you find it never fits fine, you lost nothing to consider it. But the more you understand about Gods plan and the kennites ext. the more you will see the whole picture fall into place. Its not good to just accept something you have no comprehension of yet. And its not a matter of your Salvation that you understand the entirety of Gods plan. I would rather you consider it and set it aside as a possability that needs more proof than believe it just because we or any man said it.
 

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Are we all descendants of Adam and Eve? No. All the races were created on the sixth day. Why is Eve called the mother of all living? She is called the mother of all living because it was through her offspring that Jesus Christ was born and we can only have eternal life through Him. Not because we are all descendants of Adam and Eve.
Kriss, I disagree with you here. If you say that there are people NOT descended from Adam/Eve, then you run into a big doctrinal problem over the origin of sin. How did sin enter the world, if my ancestor didn't commit original sin? Look at Romans 5:12. 12Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned
 

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Adam was the first flesh man that sinned. But he ain't the first person that sinned.Lucifer is the first person literally to have sinned. He is the first soul condemn to the Lake of Fire.Ezekiel 28:18 - Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.The people before Adam & Eve.Genesis 1:26-28 - And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.Adam was formed...Genesis 2:7 - And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.Eve was formed or made...Genesis 2:21 - And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.Now look at this next verse.Genesis 2:22 - And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.Notice that the W and the M are captilized. It was there for a reason. While Genesis 1:27 had lowercase m (male/man) and lowercase f (female/woman)Lovest ye in Christ Yahshua our Lord and Saviour.
 

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was satan jeolous that humans were given "dominion...over the earth" or was he indifferent about that issue...and if satan is so evil, why does god not just destroy his soul...or much less bind him so he can't influence our freedom of choice over whether we want to lead a holy life or not?I know that God is the same yesterday today and tomorrow, but don't we have enough problems trying to help satans followers on earth come back to God without Satan continuing to brainwash them and continuing to tear christians away from God?well that's I wish to say for nowGod Bless!!!
 

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was satan jeolous that humans were given "dominion...over the earth" or was he indifferent about that issue...and if satan is so evil, why does god not just destroy his soul...or much less bind him so he can't influence our freedom of choice over whether we want to lead a holy life or not?
Satan wanted the mercy seat (Ezekiel 26), so I don't think that was so much the case. Anything less than the mercy seat is really nothing to him.As for why God didn't wipe him out earlier - it comes down to this:Revelation 12:4
And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
Satan has taken a third of God's children with him. If God wipes out Satan, he wipes out a third of his own children. Each of these souls are now born innocent of woman and must go one way or the other. He's giving everyone the chance. Once the millennium rolls around, everyone will have had his/her chance. Satan can influence if you choose to let him, but only if you choose to let him.
I know that God is the same yesterday today and tomorrow, but don't we have enough problems trying to help satans followers on earth come back to God without Satan continuing to brainwash them and continuing to tear christians away from God?
Well, think about our Father, these are his children.
Kriss, I disagree with you here. If you say that there are people NOT descended from Adam/Eve, then you run into a big doctrinal problem over the origin of sin. How did sin enter the world, if my ancestor didn't commit original sin? Look at Romans 5:12.
A big Biblical doctrine problem or a big problem with man's doctrine? That verse merely says Adam was the first man to sin. You don't have to be related to Adam to sin. When I sin, I don't sin because Adam did it first.
 

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Why did everyone totally ignore my question about who Lucifer was Trafficking with in Ezekial?
Jody give me a chapter or verse for referance here
 

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Straight from jodycour. P.S. I'm going to highlight some.(jodycour)
Who was Lucifer Trafficking with?Ezekiel 28:15-18Thou was perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created,till iniquity was found in thee.Vs.16By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefor I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, Oh covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.Vs.17Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.Vs.18Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffic; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devout thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.This all obviously happened before the garden experience with Adam & EveWho were these people?
Lovest ye in Christ Yahshua our Lord and Saviour.
 

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Very Good question Jody Ezekiel 28:15 "Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee." Satan was perfect in every way, until he stopped loving God. Satan's focus then turned from serving God, to serving himself. Doing things his way. God created all souls, and gave them the right to choose. He has the right also to receive our love and respect, so we should take the time to tell him we love Him. Ezekiel 28:16 "By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire." This is the over-throw from the world that was, the first earth age. God told Satan that he was to be removed from the altar of God. Ezekiel 28:17 "Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of the brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee." Satan's heart and was lifted up in self pride. Satan must have received much praise, like we see those pompous, self righteous fools on TV. talk shows. Satan believed his own lies, and self righteousness took control of him. Brightness, wisdom, and beauty can be the downfall of any person, if they don't realize that everything they have, is from God. God should get all the glory in all that we do, and have. Jesus Christ is coming back to earth very shortly to carry out this judgment that God put on Satan. Then the whole world will see him for what he is. Ezekiel 28:18 "All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more." Satan had every chance for salvation and he rejected God. He tried to strive to gain control and rule as God. He sinned over and over, and his pride kept growing; because of this God said that He is going to set a fire within ["in the midst"] of him, to devour him. Satan will be the first to walk into the lake of fire on that final day, at the close of the Millennium. ..........................Thanks Jag missed that post:)
 

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Kriss...you skipped a verse."All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more." It is Ezekiel 28:19.Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee. It is Ezekiel 28:18Lovest ye in Christ Yahshua our Lord and Saviour.
 

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The whole idea of pre-Adamite race of people puts death, disease, and suffering before the Fall...it's false.
 

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No not exactly we are talking the first earth age there are three earth ages one has past, one is, one yet to come the fall in the garden was in this earth age, 2 Peter Satan(who is death) did not enter this age untill the Garden of Eden However he did rebell in the first earth age a third of Gods children followed Satan
 

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Kriss is right.To say we are all Adam & Eve descendant is just downright unbiblical. The bible is clear that Yahshua would be a descendent of Adam. (Genesis 3:15, Luke 3:38) It's like trying to fit the Devil into the lineage that Christ came from...JagLovest ye in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour.
 

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Was There A Pre-Adamite Race? The only pre-Adamite beings were the angels, who Job identifies as being present when God laid the foundations of Earth (Job 38:2-7).Who are the Nephilim by Gary Demar “For centuries, Bible commentaries have tried to make sense of Genesis 6:1–7 and the identity of “the sons of God” and the “Nephilim.” Several theories have been put forth: (1) fallen angels who cohabitated with earthly women, (2) the godly descendants of Seth (“sons of God”) who intermarry with unbelievers (“daughters of men”), (3) dynastic rulers who are often described as “gods” (Heb.: elohim), and (4) extraterrestrial aliens. The “ancient astronaut view was first popularized by Erich von Däniken in his books Chariots of the Gods and Gods From Outer Space, but the theoretical stage for the theory was set in 1953 by Desmond Leslie’s (1891–1965) science fiction novel Flying Saucers Have Landed.”Implications of pre-Adamism
The Bible says nothing about the existence and death of any pre-Adamite creatures, either spirited or spiritless. Some Christians say that Adam was the first man to be made in the image of God, though there were also human-like creatures before him. But they have assumed that the alleged Pre-Adamic fossils constitute a reliable record; i.e. the fossils have been interpreted correctly in both anatomy and age. They are also, in effect, saying:1. that the first land animals and man were not created by God at the same time, namely during the 24 hours of Day Six of Creation Week, as Genesis 1 clearly states;2. that the short age timescale in Genesis (obtained from the genealogies and other parts of the Bible, e.g. Mark 10:6) is not correct;3. that the Curse of death in the created world was not the result of Adam’s sin, as Genesis 3 states. If pre-Adamite creatures were living and dying for hundreds of thousands/millions of years before Adam, then the connection is lost between the first Adam, who brought physical death into the world, and the last Adam (the Lord Jesus Christ), who brought physical resurrection from the dead (1 Corinthians 15:22, 45).12 As Adam was federal head of the entire creation, his Fall affected everything else (Romans 8:20–22). The fact is that, Biblically, all physical death has occurred since Adam’s Fall, not before. ‘As sincere as they may be, those [Christians] who espouse the pre-Adamite theory and its history of death before Adam are actually endangering the very doctrine of salvation they hold dear.’124. that the ‘very good’ world which God created included carnivory, despite the Genesis 1:29–30 teaching that animals and humans were originally vegetarian. The Bible tells us that Adam was the first biological man—in Genesis 1–5; Deuteronomy 32:8; 1 Chronicles 1:1; Luke 3:38; Romans 5:14; 1 Corinthians 15:22, 45; 1 Timothy 2:13; and Jude 14. So, how many parts of the Bible are they willing to concede as being ‘errant’, or in need of ‘reinterpreting’, in order to accommodate the evolutionary/uniformitarian interpretation of the fossil record?
”Does the Bible say anything about a pre-Adamic race? First, Adam is called the “first man” (1 Corinthians 15:45). This is inconsistent with the idea that God created men before Adam.”Was there a pre-Adamic race on Earth? “The word ''replenish'' translated in 1611 did not mean 'to refill' but rather just 'to fill.' You must first understand that the King James Version, used by many today was translated in 17th century Elizabethan English. In fact, even the King James Version used today (and I am not referring to the New KJV) has been simplified from the original 1611 translation. Therefore, it is important to understand the meaning of this word selected by the 17th century translators. The Hebrew word is male' and it occurs 306 times in the Old Testament. The KJV translates it as 'replenish' only seven times, 195 times as 'fill,' 'filled' or 'full' and the other times it has an idiomatic meaning or it becomes 'fulfill.' The Latin word from which the English word comes from is pleo or repleo.”
 

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First Earth AgeGenesis 1:1 - In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.II Peter 3:5 - For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:Genesis 1:2 - And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.Isaiah 45:18 - For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.Jeremiah 4:22 - For my people is foolish, they have not known me; they are sottish children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge.Jeremiah 4:23 - I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.Jeremiah 4:24 - I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.Jeremiah 4:25 - I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.Jeremiah 4:26 - I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.Jeremiah 4:27 - For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end.II Peter 3:6 - Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:Jag
 

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Thanks JagAlso we didnt say first earth stage we said earth age between Gen1:1 -1:2 The wyc makes this clearer 2Peter 3:5 But it is hid from them willing this thing, that heavens were before, and the earth of water was standing by water, by God's word [that heavens were first, and the earth of water and by water being, or standing, together by God's word]; 6 by which [things] that same world cleansed, then by water perished. 7 But the heavens that now be, and the earth, be kept by the same word, and be reserved to fire into the day of doom and perdition of wicked men. [Forsooth the heavens that now be, and the earth, by the same word put again, be kept to fire into the day of doom and perdition of unpious men.]these are the three earth ages the bible speaks of after the first the earth became void and without formthis earth age then starts with the first day of creation