Giants in the Bible? ( Genesis 6:4 )

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KJ Version Genesis 6:1-4

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and it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
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that the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all that they chose
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And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
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There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

The term sons of god is mostly thought to be angels... though some have tried to explain away these verses as referring to the godly line of Seth from Adam. If this were true why would the KJ version say that giants were a product of the offspring of the sons of God and man... and that this is the reason for their stature. I believe that this is particularly important for explaining the 12 foot giant Goliath which King David Father of Solomon the Wise, killed with a smooth stone.

now let me for the first time ever explain the difference in scripture as far as the difference in translation between different editions of the bible.

These are the same Four verses presented from my personal library.
The prior was the KJ version of the four versicals.

The Ryrie Study Bible Expanded Edition of Genesis 6:1-4

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Now it came about, when men began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them,
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that the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose.
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Then the LORD said, "My spirit shall not strive with man forever, because he is also flesh; nevertheless his days shall be one hundred and twenty years."
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The NEPHILIM were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Those were mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

sum. well here with the Ryrie study bibe, and it is the expanded edition,, so ....
they use the actual name of the race of giants. NEPHILIM instead of the KJ version which just says giants.
However in the Ryrie Study Bible there is no mention of the giants Just the Term NEPHILIM. Which is explained after that.

HEBREW Study Bible aka (THE MEAT) Genesis 6:1-4

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When men began to increase on earth and daughters were born to them,
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the DIVINE BEINGS saw how beautiful the daughters of men were and took wives from among those that pleased them.
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The LORD said, "My breath shall not abide in man forever, since he too is flesh; let the days allowed him be one hundred and twenty years."
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It was then, and later too, that the NEPHILIM appeared on earth-when the DIVINE BEINGS cohabited with the daughters of men, who bore them offspring. They were heroes of old the men of renown.

Now what can be said about the MEAT well it has the Word NEPHILIM in the stead of giants.
It also uses DIVINE BEINGS in the stead of sons of God like in the KJ and Ryrie versions.

What is a NEPHILIM?

The bible says very clearly in The Ryrie Study bible verse four that the NephIlim were the offspring of the sons of god. I think this is very important cause on my journey to becoming the very strong believer i am today, this passage explained where the giant goliath, the NEPHILIM, the Raphaim, and the giants with the grapes in canaan originated. I always felt the bible would one day show me where these creatures were coming from ex. Goliath. It has answered every question I have been able Think of.
So how often ARE Giants actually in the bible. well....... this is what i have found.
so far. Using KJ and Hebrew Study Bible

Numbers 13:21-24 ( Giant Grapes from a Giants Garden )
Numbers 13:31-33 ( The Giants are said to Eat People )
Deuteronomy 2:10-12 ; 2:20-23 ( The LORD and the Israel are hunting down the giants and killing them )
Deuteronomy 3:11 ( A Giant Kings bed size is given )
I Chronicles 20:5-8 ( the brother of Goliath )
I Samuel 17:4-7, 23 ( the size and weight of Goliath's armor )
II Samuel 21:15-22 ( a large man with 24 digits )
Joshua 11:21-22 ; Joshua 14:12-15 ( Anakites are the descendants of the Nephilim )
 

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the book of enoch explains a lot about this subject too. it would of been part of the bible but they could not confirm that the whole book was written by enoch so it got casted out. but it is full of information and is referred to in jude. that is another thing that help to prove to me authenticity.
 

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7angels said:
the book of enoch explains a lot about this subject too. it would of been part of the bible but they could not confirm that the whole book was written by enoch so it got casted out. but it is full of information and is referred to in jude. that is another thing that help to prove to me authenticity.
Yes i researched the book of Enoch...
That is some crazy stuff.
Do you think its God breathed material that the RCC removed from the what would have been cannon?
 

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In the book of enoch,it says God caused a flood in an attempt to kill the nephilim,It probally also wiped out the neanderthals(caveman).
Like i told you on another website,I think the Bigfoot monsters that they see in the mountains are nephlim that survived the flood.
 

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Is it going to happen again in the latter times?

Dan_2:43


And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.
 

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Pelaides said:
In the book of enoch,it says God caused a flood in an attempt to kill the nephilim,It probally also wiped out the neanderthals(caveman).
Like i told you on another website,I think the Bigfoot monsters that they see in the mountains are nephlim that survived the flood.

Man at the time of the flood defenately was not a neanderthal.
Thats crazy... lol
Did you know people used to live close to a thousand years?

Pelaides said:
In the book of enoch,it says God caused a flood in an attempt to kill the nephilim,It probally also wiped out the neanderthals(caveman).
Like i told you on another website,I think the Bigfoot monsters that they see in the mountains are nephlim that survived the flood.
Yeah sites keep on banning be for posting this thread.
so i figure i must have hit pretty close to the mark.
that makes me want to spread the word around.
this may be another way to look at the old testament for many believers.
 

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The Rephaim was another name for those giants (Nephilim). It was translated in the KJV in several places as "the dead". When Gen.6 says they were the mighty men of old, men of renown, that's about all the pagan mythologies of gods in various ancient cultures, which gives more proof as to their probable existence.

In Gen.6 we are also told that Noah was "perfect in his generations". The Hebrew for "perfect" is the same word used for the pedigree purity of an unblemished sacrificial animal (Exo.12:5).

This was the main purpose of God bringing the flood of Noah's days, because of Satan's angels causing a hybrid giant race upon the earth of great stature with great power upon the earth. It sought to knock God's Plan of Salvation out of balance, breaking the bounds God setup for this world. So they had to be destroyed. They lived among the nations of Canaan which is also one of the reasons why God told the children of Israel to completely destroy those specific nations and not leave alive anything there that breaths (Deut.20).
 

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veteran said:
The Rephaim was another name for those giants (Nephilim). It was translated in the KJV in several places as "the dead". When Gen.6 says they were the mighty men of old, men of renown, that's about all the pagan mythologies of gods in various ancient cultures, which gives more proof as to their probable existence.

In Gen.6 we are also told that Noah was "perfect in his generations". The Hebrew for "perfect" is the same word used for the pedigree purity of an unblemished sacrificial animal (Exo.12:5).

This was the main purpose of God bringing the flood of Noah's days, because of Satan's angels causing a hybrid giant race upon the earth of great stature with great power upon the earth. It sought to knock God's Plan of Salvation out of balance, breaking the bounds God setup for this world. So they had to be destroyed. They lived among the nations of Canaan which is also one of the reasons why God told the children of Israel to completely destroy those specific nations and not leave alive anything there that breaths (Deut.20).

Along with the name NEPHELIM, RAPHAIM. THERE are The ANAKITES descendants of the ANAKIM

The ANAKIM were descended from the same NEPHELIM
 

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Along with the name NEPHELIM, RAPHAIM. THERE are The ANAKITES descendants of the ANAKIM

The ANAKIM were descended from the same NEPHELIM
Do you have any proof the anakites were nephlim?
 

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5YkGttmwWc

So let me say, this guy agrees with me for the most part, and he is a doctor of theology. He sounds bit like Sean Conery but hey nobody's perfect, I mean have you ever recorded your own voice on a tape recorder..
lol

So how often ARE Giants actually in the bible. well....... this is what i have found.
so far. Using KJ and Hebrew Study Bible

Numbers 13:21-24 ( Giant Grapes from a Giants Garden )
Numbers 13:31-33 ( The Giants are said to Eat People )
Deuteronomy 2:10-12 ; 2:20-23 ( The LORD and the Israel are hunting down the giants and killing them )
Deuteronomy 3:11 ( A Giant Kings bed size is given )
I Chronicles 20:5-8 ( the brother of Goliath )
I Samuel 17:4-7, 23 ( the size and weight of Goliath's armor )
II Samuel 21:15-22 ( a large man with 24 digits )
Joshua 11:21-22 ; 14:12-15 ( Anakites are the descendants of the Nephilim )
 

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veteran said:
The Rephaim was another name for those giants (Nephilim). It was translated in the KJV in several places as "the dead". When Gen.6 says they were the mighty men of old, men of renown, that's about all the pagan mythologies of gods in various ancient cultures, which gives more proof as to their probable existence.

In Gen.6 we are also told that Noah was "perfect in his generations". The Hebrew for "perfect" is the same word used for the pedigree purity of an unblemished sacrificial animal (Exo.12:5).

This was the main purpose of God bringing the flood of Noah's days, because of Satan's angels causing a hybrid giant race upon the earth of great stature with great power upon the earth. It sought to knock God's Plan of Salvation out of balance, breaking the bounds God setup for this world. So they had to be destroyed. They lived among the nations of Canaan which is also one of the reasons why God told the children of Israel to completely destroy those specific nations and not leave alive anything there that breaths (Deut.20).
Did you know that Rephaim's were healers with medicines according to the Strong's Concordance if you look at all the 7495,7496,7497-7504 they all stem from Raw-Faw and 7501 says God has cured as in Jehovah-Rapha I would assume.

But the meaning of sorcery, sorcerer is Pharmekea and mean's Pharmacist, medication, poisioner, druggist, in the Strong's
Funny how the herbs that God created for healing are considered to be the tool of a witch or sorcerer in our world, but a man made chemical that rots our bodies mixed(concoction) with God's herbs is considered a miracle drug.
blessings
 

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As an interesting tidbit in Isaiah 26:14 it states that the Rephaim will not rise (resurrection).

We know that all men will rise as Jesus stated in John 5, so these Rephaim are something different i.e. angelic offspring.
 

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afaithfulone4u said:
Did you know that Rephaim's were healers with medicines according to the Strong's Concordance if you look at all the 7495,7496,7497-7504 they all stem from Raw-Faw and 7501 says God has cured as in Jehovah-Rapha I would assume.

But the meaning of sorcery, sorcerer is Pharmekea and mean's Pharmacist, medication, poisioner, druggist, in the Strong's
Funny how the herbs that God created for healing are considered to be the tool of a witch or sorcerer in our world, but a man made chemical that rots our bodies mixed(concoction) with God's herbs is considered a miracle drug.
blessings
I will always appreciate your comments and questions.
I believe that Weed is not sorcery... I just feel that God would condone me from it spiritually if it was. I would feel guilt for doing it. I do not. Instead I feel a sort of guilt for not thinking of things the way I do on marijuana.
I believe it is the "Plant of Righteousness"..... You should research that phrase.
It is not the tree of knowledge of good and evil, or the tree of life, for these are both Fruit Bearing Trees.
Not bearing seed, but fruit...
However the tree of righteousness has a scent that I hold above all others.
I've searched and searched for fruits that bare psychotropic chemicals in them, possibly one that could have been the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. I'm pretty sure It does not exist... at least not on the earth anymore. Not that I've had the ability to study all of the trees that bare fruit that are on the whole earth. I mean there is a chance that there is one fruit baring tree in the congo that no one has yet to taste since the very beginning of time...
Anyway, the tree of life is the one I'm really really looking for... This tree is a physical tree in the garden, and a physical tree that we can eat of in heaven and therefore gain eternal life... I know this fruit tree is also not in circulation. Cause nobody is eating a pineapple or whatever and living for forever, even if they eat it everyday their whole life... This however does still exist, for certain in heaven...

I do know for sure that the pot plant is not the tree of life, or the tree of The knowledge of Good and Evil ( Tree of Wisdom )....

I do think it is the Plant of Righteousness....

I don't think that smoking this plant is witchcraft, or sorcery...

This Sorcery that you speak of actually was given to us by the fallen angels. The true form of sorcery deals with summoning great angels out of the heavens using certain shapes and geometric shapes. This is not something to dabble.... or dance with... but this did not stop the masons of the illuminatii.

The reason that Pharmaceutical base pharmacy or pharma comes from whats considered to be sorcery, by the ancient hebrew people is because all of the knowledge that they gave us is sorcery, or the cutting of roots... and how to manipulate plants growth cycles to have a better outcome. all of this information came from the fallen angels that fell before the flood. Astrology came from them Meteorology used to be known as the science of the clouds. The use of cosmedics came from them. "LOOK UP ANTIMONY". The first pharoh of Egypt was probably a fallen angel if you study the hieroglyphics. The start of our what is current medical information came from the fallen angels that taught stuff to the women that they took to be their wives. I swear... I know this to be truth. I will tell you, that if you study ancient Hebrew religion you would not be able to tell what was happening, if your unknowing of their old practice or tradition you should took into it. Finding The origin of the Hebrew language itself unravels a whole bunch of questions and wonder. I mean have you seen the ancient Hebrew Characters?

Dang pot head Christians cant stay on the same subject long enough to make any sense...
sorry lol

back to the question...
No Marijuana is not sorcery, but ASTRONOMY CHEMISTRY BIOLOGY PHYSICS BOTANY METEOROLOGY AND COSMETOLOGY IS. lol.... Isn't it strange to you, that no one knows where any of these studies have their starts? They are all just as old as every nation can remember... Even China says that the alchemists taught them Chemistry gun powder... And the maji of india.
That is why God was mad at the fallen angels, one because they sinned against us, and two because they taught us the secrets of the heavens and more of whats right and wrong. When God wanted us to figure out our own way to make a government, religion, music, dance so that is was nothing like what the angels had already done, but a new way of government a personal religion with God the Father, a new music, a new dance. This would be the only possible motive for creating the race of creatures that were creative. So they could create new things, like a new form of energy possibly. Not that God needs it.... But because its interesting to see. This is why eating from a tree was actually not good or meant for us at the time of eating it, because it taught us that we were naked. We were not deemed ready to even reproduce with each other yet, and by eating of that tree.... well.... now we are 6 billion.
God would have eventually given us the fruit of knowledge of good and evil, he just was not done watching us grow our own knowledge. The knowledge of good and evil literally told you what was. The tree of wisdom. God wanted us to figure out what we thought it was on our own, then that fruit told us what was. Then the angels told us what was. Then the Bible was wrote to Tell us what is and what will be by God. So that we could fully understand our great and ancient history, and future.

Marijuana is not sorcery, I have considered that possibly the angels that fell brought it with them. Then it would be considered witchcraft for us to smoke it as man, But not when we become eternal beings in the City of God. For all things are lawful to God, and all things are created by God. Although not all things are expedient. God says nothing will keep you from my heaven, but not all things help you live for God. So do all things to Honor the lord... If your smoking herb you better be honoring God when you do it or its worthless, but what point of your life is of worth that you are not honoring the GREAT ALL MIGHTY?
 

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afaithfulone4u said:
Did you know that Rephaim's were healers with medicines according to the Strong's Concordance if you look at all the 7495,7496,7497-7504 they all stem from Raw-Faw and 7501 says God has cured as in Jehovah-Rapha I would assume.

But the meaning of sorcery, sorcerer is Pharmekea and mean's Pharmacist, medication, poisioner, druggist, in the Strong's
Funny how the herbs that God created for healing are considered to be the tool of a witch or sorcerer in our world, but a man made chemical that rots our bodies mixed(concoction) with God's herbs is considered a miracle drug.
blessings
In the wild there exists many different type of herbs that can help heal the body, even in their natural plant stage. Usually not far away are also herbs that are poisonous to our body. In my opinion, this is a manifesting of this present world time, but not for the world to come.

Markseasigh said:
I will always appreciate your comments and questions.
I believe that Weed is not sorcery... I just feel that God would condone me from it spiritually if it was. I would feel guilt for doing it. I do not. Instead I feel a sort of guilt for not thinking of things the way I do on marijuana.
I believe it is the "Plant of Righteousness"..... You should research that phrase.
It is not the tree of knowledge of good and evil, or the tree of life, for these are both Fruit Bearing Trees.
Not bearing seed, but fruit...
However the tree of righteousness has a scent that I hold above all others.
I've searched and searched for fruits that bare psychotropic chemicals in them, possibly one that could have been the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. I'm pretty sure It does not exist... at least not on the earth anymore. Not that I've had the ability to study all of the trees that bare fruit that are on the whole earth. I mean there is a chance that there is one fruit baring tree in the congo that no one has yet to taste since the very beginning of time...
Anyway, the tree of life is the one I'm really really looking for... This tree is a physical tree in the garden, and a physical tree that we can eat of in heaven and therefore gain eternal life... I know this fruit tree is also not in circulation. Cause nobody is eating a pineapple or whatever and living for forever, even if they eat it everyday their whole life... This however does still exist, for certain in heaven...

I do know for sure that the pot plant is not the tree of life, or the tree of The knowledge of Good and Evil ( Tree of Wisdom )....

I do think it is the Plant of Righteousness....

I don't think that smoking this plant is witchcraft, or sorcery...

This Sorcery that you speak of actually was given to us by the fallen angels. The true form of sorcery deals with summoning great angels out of the heavens using certain shapes and geometric shapes. This is not something to dabble.... or dance with... but this did not stop the masons of the illuminatii.

The reason that Pharmaceutical base pharmacy or pharma comes from whats considered to be sorcery, by the ancient hebrew people is because all of the knowledge that they gave us is sorcery, or the cutting of roots... and how to manipulate plants growth cycles to have a better outcome. all of this information came from the fallen angels that fell before the flood. Astrology came from them Meteorology used to be known as the science of the clouds. The use of cosmedics came from them. "LOOK UP ANTIMONY". The first pharoh of Egypt was probably a fallen angel if you study the hieroglyphics. The start of our what is current medical information came from the fallen angels that taught stuff to the women that they took to be their wives. I swear... I know this to be truth. I will tell you, that if you study ancient Hebrew religion you would not be able to tell what was happening, if your unknowing of their old practice or tradition you should took into it. Finding The origin of the Hebrew language itself unravels a whole bunch of questions and wonder. I mean have you seen the ancient Hebrew Characters?

Dang pot head Christians cant stay on the same subject long enough to make any sense...
sorry lol

back to the question...
No Marijuana is not sorcery, but ASTRONOMY CHEMISTRY BIOLOGY PHYSICS BOTANY METEOROLOGY AND COSMETOLOGY IS. lol.... Isn't it strange to you, that no one knows where any of these studies have their starts? They are all just as old as every nation can remember... Even China says that the alchemists taught them Chemistry gun powder... And the maji of india.
That is why God was mad at the fallen angels, one because they sinned against us, and two because they taught us the secrets of the heavens and more of whats right and wrong. When God wanted us to figure out our own way to make a government, religion, music, dance so that is was nothing like what the angels had already done, but a new way of government a personal religion with God the Father, a new music, a new dance. This would be the only possible motive for creating the race of creatures that were creative. So they could create new things, like a new form of energy possibly. Not that God needs it.... But because its interesting to see. This is why eating from a tree was actually not good or meant for us at the time of eating it, because it taught us that we were naked. We were not deemed ready to even reproduce with each other yet, and by eating of that tree.... well.... now we are 6 billion.
God would have eventually given us the fruit of knowledge of good and evil, he just was not done watching us grow our own knowledge. The knowledge of good and evil literally told you what was. The tree of wisdom. God wanted us to figure out what we thought it was on our own, then that fruit told us what was. Then the angels told us what was. Then the Bible was wrote to Tell us what is and what will be by God. So that we could fully understand our great and ancient history, and future.

Marijuana is not sorcery, I have considered that possibly the angels that fell brought it with them. Then it would be considered witchcraft for us to smoke it as man, But not when we become eternal beings in the City of God. For all things are lawful to God, and all things are created by God. Although not all things are expedient. God says nothing will keep you from my heaven, but not all things help you live for God. So do all things to Honor the lord... If your smoking herb you better be honoring God when you do it or its worthless, but what point of your life is of worth that you are not honoring the GREAT ALL MIGHTY?
Smoking marijuana to get 'high' is the very act of sorcery. Any plant, herb, etc., specifically used to produce an altered mind state, like to 'get high' so as to EXTEND the senses, is sorcery.

The Indians of North America used a specific mushroom, and plants like peyote that produces hallucinations for their religious ceremonies. They used it to create a mind altered state in order to attain knowledge outside the bounds that God setup for man in this world.

I forget the Bible passage from Solomon, but there is a verse that shows Solomon used cannibus (marijuana), which practice he most likely got from one of his many wives that practiced pagan religion. Turning to the ways of pagandom is something that God said would happen with marrying 'strange' wives of the nations.