Is it ever proper to judge another man's servant?

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Justin Mangonel

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Dear All,

When, if ever, is it proper to judge another man's servant? Should we judge others according to our doctrine? If so when and how? What if others don't agree with our judgement? Should we have no fellowship with them?

To me, being judgemental is counter productive. It is like turning on your fellow soldier in the midst of a battle because he mismatched his socks. I also feel that most judgementalness does not issue from a good place for if we accuse our brethren don't we become like the accuser of the brethren?

Are we to be the doctrine police? If we are then why and how do we make our arrests? What should we do with the precieved heretics amongst us?
 

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The entire old and new testament is full of men of God discerning and making Judgements


It has never been Gods intention to instruct men to go around and nod your head like you agree with every doctrine.
How many times are we told to beware, test the spirits, do not follow after, watch for a different gospel, beware of the levin of the Pharisees ect ect ect

13 These things we also speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teaches but which the Holy[d] Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15 But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one. 16 For “who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct Him?”[e] But we have the mind of Christ.
 

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Justin Mangonel said:
Dear All,

When, if ever, is it proper to judge another man's servant? Should we judge others according to our doctrine? If so when and how? What if others don't agree with our judgement? Should we have no fellowship with them?

To me, being judgemental is counter productive. It is like turning on your fellow soldier in the midst of a battle because he mismatched his socks. I also feel that most judgementalness does not issue from a good place for if we accuse our brethren don't we become like the accuser of the brethren?

Are we to be the doctrine police? If we are then why and how do we make our arrests? What should we do with the precieved heretics amongst us?
2 Corinthians 6:14-17 - Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.

Isaiah 58:1 - Cry aloud, spare not, lift up thy voice like a trumpet, and shew my people their transgression, and the house of Jacob their sins.

Ezekiel 33:8-9 - When I say unto the wicked, O wicked man, thou shalt surely die; if thou dost not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand. Nevertheless, if thou warn the wicked of his way to turn from it; if he do not turn from his way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul.

Jude 1:3-4 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints. For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

Matthew 18:15-17 - Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. d if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

Revelation 14:8 - And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.

Revelation 17:2 - With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.

Revelation 18:3-5 - For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies. And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.


It is correct for us to earnestly contend for the faith once delivered to us. It is correct for us not to yoke unequally with those who reject the pillars of faith we believe in. It is correct for us to warn others who are in sin. It is correct for us to pay attention to the doctrines taught, as the call in Revelation is to come out of the churches which spread lying abominations, and that we are also called to be seperate from the people. If you cannot agree to the pillars of faith, you must step out.

What's not correct, is to set yourself up as a judge, and condemn someone to hell, that their eternal life has already been decided. It would be wise to warn the erring ones decidedly, that if they do not repent of their wicked acts, they will have to suffer the consequences. While you love the human being, you show the utter distate for sin. For this I mean, open and bold sin. No one is asking you to go around and become fault-finding with your brethern. Everyone has their struggles in life, which the love of Christ, and His grace will cover, if they repent. Eventually they will overcome, if they continue on. But, for open and bold sin, you must rebuke. They may not know that what they are doing is sin. And as for new-believers, I'd be careful shoving everything down their throats, lest they become overwhelmed. The Lord revealed everything to you that you know thus far in due time. Have patience, and longsuffering with them.

For doctrines, you bring them forth, and earnestly contend with them for the truth. If they will have no part of the truth, they have become a heretick (after the second admonition, found in Titus 3:10). No one should be setting themself up as a judge over their brethern. However, this does not mean that someone who hears the truth will not feel judged. To bear a strong, simple testimony, filled with love, seasoned with grace, yet sharp as a two edged sword, is not sin, nor is it judging. It is being faithful in your duty. And such a testimony will bring upon you a raging persecution from some people, in which some will actually claim that you are judging them, when in fact you have done no such thing.
 

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Wow, such a tough stand for judging one another.

So then, what does Jesus mean that we should not judge another man's servant? Seems you have a lot of scriptures about judging but what do you think abou this one?

Do you always openly rebuke sin? I am not sure I think that is Biblical...what happened to going to a brother privately? Where is the love?
 

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Justin Mangonel said:
Wow, such a tough stand for judging one another.

So then, what does Jesus mean that we should not judge another man's servant? Seems you have a lot of scriptures about judging but what do you think abou this one?

Do you always openly rebuke sin? I am not sure I think that is Biblical...what happened to going to a brother privately? Where is the love?
You seem to use the wrong terms as well as having a misconception about sin as compared to teaching a different doctrine than what has been reveled to us.
The rebuke is your not your sin, its a different gospel, like your belief in Jesus. You deny He was with the Father before He came as a man, born of a virgin. Your words were He became the son when He was baptized.

The other part is you seem to think that anyone that proclaims any old belief in the name of the Lord is of God.
Now their are people and other forums that believe there is a multitude of ways to God, maybe you would feel less intruded upon by proclaiming your gospel their. Some of the verses you use to condemn criticism of your doctrine is for brothers in the Lord, that doesn't include people that don't share or teach the common fundamental understanding of the Lords message in scripture.
 

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Justin Mangonel said:
Wow, such a tough stand for judging one another.

So then, what does Jesus mean that we should not judge another man's servant? Seems you have a lot of scriptures about judging but what do you think abou this one?

Do you always openly rebuke sin? I am not sure I think that is Biblical...what happened to going to a brother privately? Where is the love?
I condemned standing up and judging another person. Who is the judge? God is the judge. To rebuke open and bold sin is not being a judge. It is opening your mouth because you are told to do so as a Christian.

To openly rebuke sin does not always mean that i'm doing it in front of 3 million people. You can just be with a brother, and/or a sister and he does something. Warn him. There is no love in concealing open an bold sins. I have nothing against telling a brother privatly, that you are supposed to do as well.

And I also said, for newcomers you can't shove everything at once down their throats. They'll become overwhelmed. One small step at a time.

Scripture please.
 

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And lastly your not the least bit interested in comparing what you believe to scripture.
You simply run away and pout about how wrong it is to judge you, you do know its the word of God that judges you? we didn't dream up a set of indicators about a different message. Its all spoken about in the bible, And granted their are many that only use the bible parts that support what they want it to support.
the half truths and questioning Gods word is what lead Eve into being deceived.
 

Justin Mangonel

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I think people should not judge other people. They are Gods servants no ours. Perhaps some that are in leadership have this respocibility but I think it should be used sparingly and judiciously.

I did not know I pout...do I look cute when I do?

I think focusing on judging people is the wrong use of our time here on Earth. What I think is a better use of our time is actually yeilding to the Spirit of God and doing His will. It is in our actions that we are or are not Christ like.
 

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I think Jesus was clear when he said, Cast the beam out of thine own eye before you point to the mote in thy brother's eye.

The longer I discuss topics, I find that people shut you off, and make assumptions way to quickly, but more than that, I myself can make errors as well, and it's up to me to remedy them.
 

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1 Tim 6:20-21
20 O Timothy! Guard what was committed to your trust, avoiding the profane and idle babblings and contradictions of what is falsely called knowledge— 21 by professing it some have strayed concerning the faith.
 

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Justin Mangonel said:
I think people should not judge other people. They are Gods servants no ours. Perhaps some that are in leadership have this respocibility but I think it should be used sparingly and judiciously.

I did not know I pout...do I look cute when I do?

I think focusing on judging people is the wrong use of our time here on Earth. What I think is a better use of our time is actually yeilding to the Spirit of God and doing His will. It is in our actions that we are or are not Christ like.
In our actions, we won't judge others, but we will elevate them to the higher standards within the Word of God. We will reprove sin fearlessly, we will show points of doctrine repeatedly. We will bring all to prepare for the Second Coming of Jesus Christ.

All of this, is for everyone.

Prepare. To meet. Thy God.
 

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This post fits rather nicely here as well, from the homosexuality thread.

Don't we see this played over and over again.
People come here with an apparent genuine concern, why are people so judgmental, you give them the benefit of the doubt and believe that they may have or been exposed to extreme views. He who presents their case first always seems right, until another comes forward and questions them.

As we begin to see the issue isn't judgement, the issue is non submission :"denying the truth", not giving themselves to the truth but instead standing firm in themselves and bending the truth to fit their desires. Don't get me wrong this isn't the only topic I observed this behavior its rampant throwout christian teachings.

Just as the Lord extends grace which covers a multitude of sins, we extend the same gratuity only to find that there is no desire to continue in being made into the image of Christ, instead the truth threw grace is used to justify the unwillingness to change. These people stand at the threshold claiming to be a part of the body of Christ condemning everyone that doesn't understand their uneek relationship with Christ. Has God really said, repent from the old self turn away from sin.

Do I really have to commit to the renewing of my mind? How about I renew the teaching in scripture instead?
Did God actually say, "You shall not eat of any tree in the garden"?

In reality what we see is the unwillingness to seek out what the will of God is, what is good acceptable and perfect.
Romans 12:1-2
 

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what the word of God teaches about judging others is this. we are not to judge people but we judge actions, behaviors, and ect. calling people names like stupid, idiot, and ect is wrong because you speak these names into a person life when you call people names even in jest. which is why names in the old testament were so important to everyone because names speak into a person's life it is part of who we are. many times when judging what a person is doing is not something we are to say to people but just knowledge for us so we can recognize that a person is doing something wrong, how we can go about helping a person, and ect. just listening to people we can find out what their heart is like. from there we are able to judge what action we should take. it is not our job to go about correcting people but to help people find and recognize God. when we take things into our own hands is when bad things start to take place(with the exception of the leading of the Holy Spirit).

God bless
 

Justin Mangonel

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I am not sure it is even proper to judge actions all that much. Seems to me to be just a rational for judging others. I think we should often times just mind our own business.