I believe in Hebrew roots.... And feel VERY alone in that belief.

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Hi, everyone. I just joined recently mainly to see if there was anyone out there who believes in the Hebrew roots of the Bible? For instance I have recently decided to not celebrate Christmas because of the pagan roots and the fact that YHWH never tells us to celebrate it. I don't understand why YHWH is taking me this way.. I feel isolated and alone often, my family does not agree, they think I'm "trying to be Jewish" Which is NOT the case I just think the old testament especially the Torah is relevant an YHWH's way of telling us how to live and I feel that scripture supports this.
A little background, I've honestly been asking for this. I have prayed and prayed and prayed fervently to really know what it means to follow Yeshua an how to love Him and this is the route He had taken me. There's no denying it. I can't deny what is plainly in front of me.
But did I think this is how my "Christian walk" would go. NO. Not even a little bit. I'm glad it's going somewhere but I would NEVER have thought to go this way EVER it's so far out side my personality.
I just want to know.. Are there others like me? Others that have felt that hunger and need for truth? Who are going down this path too? If so i would love to hear from you...
If your just going to tell me I'm wrong, I suppose that's fine, but just know it won't phase me or hange my mind because YHWH is the one who change it in the first place.
Sorry for the long post! May our loving Adonai bless you all!!!
 

Raeneske

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mfreeman said:
Hi, everyone. I just joined recently mainly to see if there was anyone out there who believes in the Hebrew roots of the Bible? For instance I have recently decided to not celebrate Christmas because of the pagan roots and the fact that YHWH never tells us to celebrate it. I don't understand why YHWH is taking me this way.. I feel isolated and alone often, my family does not agree, they think I'm "trying to be Jewish" Which is NOT the case I just think the old testament especially the Torah is relevant an YHWH's way of telling us how to live and I feel that scripture supports this.
A little background, I've honestly been asking for this. I have prayed and prayed and prayed fervently to really know what it means to follow Yeshua an how to love Him and this is the route He had taken me. There's no denying it. I can't deny what is plainly in front of me.
But did I think this is how my "Christian walk" would go. NO. Not even a little bit. I'm glad it's going somewhere but I would NEVER have thought to go this way EVER it's so far out side my personality.
I just want to know.. Are there others like me? Others that have felt that hunger and need for truth? Who are going down this path too? If so i would love to hear from you...
If your just going to tell me I'm wrong, I suppose that's fine, but just know it won't phase me or hange my mind because YHWH is the one who change it in the first place.
Sorry for the long post! May our loving Adonai bless you all!!!
Amen to your stance about Christmas. Join the club on this one, as this is my first year the walk with our Lord has lead me to turn my back on Christmas. The Lord always said we would be peculiar people to Him. :) As a matter of fact, i've only been a Christian for a little over a year now (A real one).

I noticed too, when you ferverantly pray, and bow to God, He will answer you. There is no question about it. It will take you in a path you've never seen.

And don't let that "Jewish" thing bother you. I get the same retorts.

You are not alone. God always prepares the path before you, even leadinf other people onto the path to continually support you, and let you know, fight the good fight of faith. Continue to pray, pray ceaselessly. Talk ceaselessly to God. Your walk will evolve, and you'll begin to even detect falsehood. It will lead you to the truth.

You can always PM me too, if you ever needed to talk :)
 

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mfreeman said:
Hi, everyone. I just joined recently mainly to see if there was anyone out there who believes in the Hebrew roots of the Bible? For instance I have recently decided to not celebrate Christmas because of the pagan roots and the fact that YHWH never tells us to celebrate it. I don't understand why YHWH is taking me this way.. I feel isolated and alone often, my family does not agree, they think I'm "trying to be Jewish" Which is NOT the case I just think the old testament especially the Torah is relevant an YHWH's way of telling us how to live and I feel that scripture supports this.
A little background, I've honestly been asking for this. I have prayed and prayed and prayed fervently to really know what it means to follow Yeshua an how to love Him and this is the route He had taken me. There's no denying it. I can't deny what is plainly in front of me.
But did I think this is how my "Christian walk" would go. NO. Not even a little bit. I'm glad it's going somewhere but I would NEVER have thought to go this way EVER it's so far out side my personality.
I just want to know.. Are there others like me? Others that have felt that hunger and need for truth? Who are going down this path too? If so i would love to hear from you...
If your just going to tell me I'm wrong, I suppose that's fine, but just know it won't phase me or hange my mind because YHWH is the one who change it in the first place.
Sorry for the long post! May our loving Adonai bless you all!!!

Well, I don't celebrate Christmas either, nor Easter. :D

And I believe in ONE literal God such as the Jews believed. :D The only difference is, I believe that the ONE
God was manifest in Jesus, whereas they're still waiting for their Messiah.
 

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While it is commendable, I don't see how you can do it.

My children and my grandchildren gather at my home on Christmas Eve for a holiday meal and exchange of presents. It would be a huge letdown especially for the little ones if Grandpa and Grandma quit this tradition all of a sudden. My children would continue to purchase gifts for the wife and I. They would not discontinue their practice.

I was a supervisor of a shop before I retired. It was pretty much upon my shoulders to have a Christmas party for the employees of my shop. The supervisors of the other shops had the same responsibility toward their employees. How could one supervisor deny his employees a party while all the other shops were having theirs.

Are you guys abstaining or partially abstaining?
 

Raeneske

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Hezekiah said:
While it is commendable, I don't see how you can do it.

My children and my grandchildren gather at my home on Christmas Eve for a holiday meal and exchange of presents. It would be a huge letdown especially for the little ones if Grandpa and Grandma quit this tradition all of a sudden. My children would continue to purchase gifts for the wife and I. They would not discontinue their practice.

I was a supervisor of a shop before I retired. It was pretty much upon my shoulders to have a Christmas party for the employees of my shop. The supervisors of the other shops had the same responsibility toward their employees. How could one supervisor deny his employees a party while all the other shops were having theirs.

Are you guys abstaining or partially abstaining?
We all have these types of tests to overcome. We are to love the Lord first, and do what please Him above what pleases others.

I'm completely abstaining. I'm not celebrating it, I absolutely refuse to. If others want to get my gifts, that's their business. I'm not getting gifts, i'm not decorating the tree, no stockings, none of that stuff.

Don't let your business effect your decisions for Christ. You can take a stand and say, you don't celebrate it anymore because you learned it displeased the Lord. Let them know, it's your decision, and not theirs. Show them what you see, don't be afraid to take a peculiar stand. Remember, the true church on earth is not defiled with other churches. She is pure :)

As for your family, we are not supposed to love them more than the Lord. Now, I know that's harder for people, than it is even possible for me to fully contemplate at the moment, but that doesn't change that fact. You have to reject your families sometimes, even if it disappoints them. As a matter of fact, you're pleasing the Lord, and being a good witness for Him when you take such a stand. Give them studies. Show them verses like Deuteronomy 12:28-32, Leviticus 18:30, and Jeremiah 10:1-6. (You should view them too). All in all, you have some tough trials ahead of you, oh but never fear man :) God is on your side, take a stand :)
 

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Nothing wrong with observing the Christmas holidays. It does not mean one is falling away from Christ towards pagan worship. Same thing with Easter, even though that name does come from the old pagan traditions, yet it's not the same thing now. Likewise with the Christmas tradition and St. Nicholas that came to America from early European Dutch, German, and British traditions.
 

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veteran said:
Nothing wrong with observing the Christmas holidays. It does not mean one is falling away from Christ towards pagan worship. Same thing with Easter, even though that name does come from the old pagan traditions, yet it's not the same thing now. Likewise with the Christmas tradition and St. Nicholas that came to America from early European Dutch, German, and British traditions.
These weren’t Christian celebrations to begin with. They were all Pagan. Attributing Christian characteristics to it makes it no more Christian, then taking something a Satanist does, and adding Christ’s name to it.

Deuteronomy 12:28-32 Observe and hear all these words which I command thee, that it may go well with thee, and with thy children after thee for ever, when thou doest that which is good and right in the sight of the Lord thy God. When the Lord thy God shall cut off the nations from before thee, whither thou goest to possess them, and thou succeedest them, and dwellest in their land; Take heed to thyself that thou be not snared by following them, after that they be destroyed from before thee; and that thou enquire not after their gods, saying, How did these nations serve their gods? even so will I do likewise. Thou shalt not do so unto the Lord thy God: for every abomination to the Lord, which he hateth, have they done unto their gods; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their gods. What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.

Leviticus 18:30 Therefore shall ye keep mine ordinance, that ye commit not any one of these abominable customs, which were committed before you, and that ye defile not yourselves therein: I am the Lord your God.

Jeremiah 10:1-6 Hear ye the word which the Lord speaketh unto you, O house of Israel: Thus saith the Lord, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not. They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good. Forasmuch as there is none like unto thee, O Lord; thou art great, and thy name is great in might.

2 Corinthians 6:16-18 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you. And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.
 

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Raeneske said:
These weren’t Christian celebrations to begin with. They were all Pagan. Attributing Christian characteristics to it makes it no more Christian, then taking something a Satanist does, and adding Christ’s name to it.

Deuteronomy 12:28-32 Observe and hear all these words which I command thee, that it may go well with thee, and with thy children after thee for ever, when thou doest that which is good and right in the sight of the Lord thy God. When the Lord thy God shall cut off the nations from before thee, whither thou goest to possess them, and thou succeedest them, and dwellest in their land; Take heed to thyself that thou be not snared by following them, after that they be destroyed from before thee; and that thou enquire not after their gods, saying, How did these nations serve their gods? even so will I do likewise. Thou shalt not do so unto the Lord thy God: for every abomination to the Lord, which he hateth, have they done unto their gods; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their gods. What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.

Leviticus 18:30 Therefore shall ye keep mine ordinance, that ye commit not any one of these abominable customs, which were committed before you, and that ye defile not yourselves therein: I am the Lord your God.

Jeremiah 10:1-6 Hear ye the word which the Lord speaketh unto you, O house of Israel: Thus saith the Lord, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not. They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good. Forasmuch as there is none like unto thee, O Lord; thou art great, and thy name is great in might.

2 Corinthians 6:16-18 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you. And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

So says the minds of hypocrite Pharisees who couldn't keep God's Law themselves.

You can stick with your Pharisee traditions, I'll stick with what Apostle Paul said per The New Covenant for Christians...

Col 2:13-17
13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath He quickened together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to His cross;
15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, He made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
(KJV)
 

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So says the minds of hypocrite Pharisees who couldn't keep God's Law themselves.

You can stick with your Pharisee traditions, I'll stick with what Apostle Paul said per The New Covenant for Christians...

Col 2:13-17
13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath He quickened together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to His cross;
15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, He made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
(KJV)
Last time I checked, Christmas was not a Jewish "holyday". It was Pagan. And I posted 4 excellent verses about that. I'm not arguing about it.
 

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I agree with the Veteran on this one. If one is to adopt this then one may as well make burnt offerings and go back to living under the Law.
I prefer to live under Grace. Christ is arisen.
 

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Hezekiah said:
I agree with the Veteran on this one. If one is to adopt this then one may as well make burnt offerings and go back to living under the Law.
I prefer to live under Grace. Christ is arisen.
Living under grace does not give you liscense to "do as thou wilt" and ignore what scripture says about blending heathen, Pagan practices, with his worship. 4 verses have been posted.
 

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Raeneske said:
Living under grace does not give you liscense to "do as thou wilt" and ignore what scripture says about blending heathen, Pagan practices, with his worship. 4 verses have been posted.

I second what you say.

As for the OP:

I ,too, have this inclination worshipping Yahweh, his Law and feasts. Grace did not eliminate the Law, but rather paid the penalty for breaking it. Sin is still defined in the context of the Law. If we break any commandments, we sinned. Simple as that. But if we sin, unlike the Israelites who took it on themselves, we now have an Advocate. That's the difference between the "Old" and "New" covenants.

Also, I like subjects dealing with the lost tribes of Israel. This site believes in that, or at least used to by a group of us who used to frequent here more often, but then left en masse, so I'm not sure "what" is all here now any longer. We used to talk about lost tribes, pyramids, stars, UFO's (Genesis 6) and whatnot. Not so much about "salvations and baptisms" and other baby-cakes, puffy slippers Christian stuff.
 

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tim_from_pa said:
I second what you say.

As for the OP:

I ,too, have this inclination worshipping Yahweh, his Law and feasts. Grace did not eliminate the Law, but rather paid the penalty for breaking it. Sin is still defined in the context of the Law. If we break any commandments, we sinned. Simple as that. But if we sin, unlike the Israelites who took it on themselves, we now have an Advocate. That's the difference between the "Old" and "New" covenants.

Also, I like subjects dealing with the lost tribes of Israel. This site believes in that, or at least used to by a group of us who used to frequent here more often, but then left en masse, so I'm not sure "what" is all here now any longer. We used to talk about lost tribes, pyramids, stars, UFO's (Genesis 6) and whatnot. Not so much about "salvations and baptisms" and other baby-cakes, puffy slippers Christian stuff.
Now you've went and put me on the spot as well I have spent considerable time researching those subjects myself.
And struggle as you may you can never remove the 4th commandment from the other 9


Sept 29th 2BC Tape measures can be pretty accurate
 

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Rex said:
Now you've went and put me on the spot as well I have spent considerable time researching those subjects myself.
And struggle as you may you can never remove the 4th commandment from the other 9


Sept 29th 2BC Tape measures can be pretty accurate
That's right. Most Christians believe in the "9 commandments". :lol:
 

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And no man can interfere with the movement of the stars, AKA rotation of the earth.

I always found it interesting that ancient calenders all used to reflect 360 days in a year, the degrees in a circle until Joshua's long day.
Amassing coincidences are everywhere
 

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Wow I am overwhelmed with everyone's responses and grateful. So grateful! Some of your responses really shine to me (tim_from_pa, zebrahug) Oh and raeneske thank you for your response! You're very encouraging.
Honestly I know not everyone agrees which is to be expected but for those of you who have had the same convictions, I suppose you understand this challenge more than I do, and maybe see how awkward it is... And difficult. I don't even want to think about Easter, by the way I go to a church that celebrates these holidays. And I am literally.... The only person who doesn't.
Tim_from_pa I really like what you said about how Elohim did not remove the law but rather paid the price for breaking it! Beautifully said! I will have to quote that, explains my thoughts and feelings on this subject so perfectly!
 

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Birthday celebrations originated with the celebration of pagan gods, therefore it is pagan to celebrate your birthday. Same with wedding rings. Anyone who wears a wedding ring is following a pagan custom, and is therefore wrong. :wacko:

This pagan paranoia is a form of bondage as far as I am concerned. Certain Protestant sects have outlawed the celebration of Christmas distrusting the human values and human joy which Christmas both represents and fulfills. It's really sad.

Winter Solstice was NOT a Roman Civil holiday until the late 3rd Century AD. The Emperor Aurelian made December 25th a civil holiday because the Christians were already using it to celebrate the Birth of Jesus and he was trying to detract from the Christian celebration!

None of the Sun Cults used December 25th before then. It appears that the Winter Solstice was originally a CHRISTIAN feast that the pagans tried to paganize, not the other way around.


I feel sorry for the children of these wacko cults who get nothing on Christmas morning.
 

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kepha31 said:
Birthday celebrations originated with the celebration of pagan gods, therefore it is pagan to celebrate your birthday. Same with wedding rings. Anyone who wears a wedding ring is following a pagan custom, and is therefore wrong. :wacko:

This pagan paranoia is a form of bondage as far as I am concerned. Certain Protestant sects have outlawed the celebration of Christmas distrusting the human values and human joy which Christmas both represents and fulfills. It's really sad.

Winter Solstice was NOT a Roman Civil holiday until the late 3rd Century AD. The Emperor Aurelian made December 25th a civil holiday because the Christians were already using it to celebrate the Birth of Jesus and he was trying to detract from the Christian celebration!

None of the Sun Cults used December 25th before then. It appears that the Winter Solstice was originally a CHRISTIAN feast that the pagans tried to paganize, not the other way around.


I feel sorry for the children of these wacko cults who get nothing on Christmas morning.
Here's a solution. Don't celebrate your birthday (I don't), don't wear wedding rings (I'm not going to). Am I boasting? No, I'm just being plain and honest. Get away from those Pagan traditions. I wish every Christian could. It would be nice to see Christians come back to "primitive godliness", the "faith of the apostles", tossing away all the true yokes of bondage (you know, sin, death) and not calling obediance to God a yoke of bondage.

You can call the Pagan rituals fun if you want. The Bible condemns them, I'm not arguing about it. You can see the verses I posted above.

Don't feel sorry for us. We are joyful to please the Lord in whatever way He asks.
 

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Raeneske said:
Living under grace does not give you liscense to "do as thou wilt" and ignore what scripture says about blending heathen, Pagan practices, with his worship. 4 verses have been posted.
I disagree with this 'mentality' totally. It is based on the false assumption that Christians who recognize the Christmas holidays as being pagans practicing paganism. That kind of reasoning is nothing but superstition. I fail to see how someone with that kind of mindset can even make it through a whole day, since so many things we use in our daily lives have non-Christian origins. You might as well start your own monastery somewhere and separate yourself from the world.

There's a difference between living in this world vs. being OF this world. In Christ Jesus we have 'liberty', and that even applies to eating food sacrificed to idols IF we are hungry, and IF it does not influence a weaker brother, because we know an idol is nothing (1 Cor.8 through 1 Cor.10).
 

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Raeneske said:
These weren’t Christian celebrations to begin with. They were all Pagan. Attributing Christian characteristics to it makes it no more Christian, then taking something a Satanist does, and adding Christ’s name to it.
Amen Raeneske
This is very true and one of the things that is wrong with modern day Christianity I was told by one pastor that it is what you make out of it. With who I replied "what can you make out of poop but manure"? All of the works of pegan flesh is manure in the sight of God. This is why: in the covenant of the spirit we do not walk in the flesh but in the Spirit of God.

Romans 8
1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.

Galatians 5
16 I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.

And don't worry my friend The Lord will soon destroy all of the pagan rituals and practices along with those who find pleasure in them.


We will pray for them, before it's to late, because they still know not what they do.