Using the KJV can anyone tell us.......

which tree did Eve think was the forbidden tree?

Which one is in the center?

Hi A,
Then why didn't she say Of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil if there were two trees in the midst of the garden?
Why did she just refer to it as " the tree in the midst" of the garden?
If there were two, why didn't the serpent ask " which tree of the two?


Gen 2:9
9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
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Here shows that there is a comma after the word garden, AND the tree of knowledge of good and evil.... is also in the garden with all the other trees... it does not say is also in the midst of the garden with the tree of life.

ENOCH2010 said:

It wasn't a literal tree,it was being willing to bare the seed of Satan. Cain and Abel were twins,Cain was the seed of Satan and Abel was the seed of Adam.

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Yes, Cain and Abel were twins, "for again she bore Abel" as in the same pregnancy. What is the seed of Satan for angels do not have genitilia for reproductive purposes? If the Seed of God is Jesus...The Word.... then wouldn't the seed of Satan be those who feed upon his word, producing his fruit, his offspring?

Yet it was the Tree of life, Jesus the Word of life that was in the midst of the garden.

Angelina said:

I am assuming that Adam told her that... :huh: since the command was given to him first Gen 2:17-18



because she was already eating from the tree of life. The only tree that was forbidden was the other one...

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That is correct.. God told Adam, for Eve was still in Adam when Adam received God's Word concerning the tree. Eve did not receive her knowledge from God, she received it second hand as you said. That is why she was mistaken as to which tree not to eat of. The same thing happens to us when we leave it up to someone else to tell us what the Word says instead of God Himself.
It never says that Adam or Eve ever ate from the tree of life. In fact it says the tree of life was blocked so that they could not eat of it.

Gen 3:22
22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
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Where I am going is, did Eve purposefully eat from the forbidden tree to be like god as we have been taught or was she decieved because she was misinformed and Satan just took advantage?

ENOCH2010 said:

Satan has been trying to gain access back to God ever since the rebellion he started,his attempt to cross his seed with the woman's seed was an attempt for his sons to gain access to God. As far as Angels not being able to reproduce,how do you explain the scripture about the sons of God mating with the daughters of man and bringing forth giants.

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The sons of God did not have literal children they have spiritual children only. What makes us a child of God, is it our flesh? or is it by receiving His Word and Spirit?
God never marries people, He marries LANDS and the people are called the children.
Was God not married to the land of ISRAEL? or was He married to Abraham, Jeremiah, Moses? No, it was the land who are called as Woman that they married. Just as countries are of different rules and have their ways of being for they are spiritually lead and that is why we say "motherland" and the people learn the ways of their leaders who are set up by God and the nation is of one mindset for the most part. Of course each individual is responsible for their own actions and beliefs.
But just as they say "When in Rome do as they do"
Ever wonder why Jacob was called Israel? Israel is the motherland and Jacob represents the children or sons of her and God. See God also married Samaria and calls her by a female name and speaks of the children as the ACTIONS of the motherland. America was supposed to be married to God and she was beautiful as God shed His grace on her. But now we see the children of God in their motherland have been taught disobedience.. America the beauty has defiled herself and has allowed her children to forsake the Word of God and have ruined her children turning them away from the Father.
If we are not children of God because of our flesh, then we are not children of Satan because of our flesh. But just as our Father's Word and Spirit leads us in paths of righteousness and life, Satan's anti-Word and unclean spirit leads our flesh down dark paths to do evil and death. The sons of God married spiritually teaching us things that were forbidden by God. Satan is the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
Satan's unclean spirit teaches us how to be our own god and not need God in our lives. God Spirit teaches us to lean on God for EVERYTHING and give praise to our Father for all we have been given. All who look to themselves or man as their help are anti-Christ for they do not know the Word nor God.
Ezek 23:1-4
23:1 The word of the LORD came again unto me, saying,
2 Son of man, there were two women, the daughters of one mother:
3 And they committed whoredoms in Egypt; they committed whoredoms in their youth: there were their breasts pressed, and there they bruised the teats of their virginity.
4 And the names of them were Aholah the elder, and Aholibah her sister: and they were mine, and they bare sons and daughters. Thus were their names; Samaria is Aholah, and Jerusalem Aholibah.
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Matt 22:29-30
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
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Ezek 31:8-10
8 The cedars in the garden of God could not hide him: the fir trees were not like his boughs, and the chestnut trees were not like his branches; nor any tree in the garden of God was like unto him in his beauty.
9 I have made him fair by the multitude of his branches: so that all the trees of Eden, that were in the garden of God, envied him.
10 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thou hast lifted up thyself in height, and he hath shot up his top among the thick boughs, and his heart is lifted up in his height;
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As for the giants.... these are not so much LARGE men as the are LARGE in life as bullies, powerful as in ruling over, giants in the INDUSTRY, giants as is Bucks to buy and bribe their way in life. Giants that eat of the BIG grapes with ill gotten gain that were meant for God's children but they have told God's children that God wants them broke to prove their holiness... what a lie from the pit. All the gold and silver is mine sayeth the LORD and we are joint-heirs in Christ of all the Father has.
Blessings

Retrobyter said:

Shalom to the disbelievers.

Look, everyone, they were indeed LITERAL trees with LITERAL fruit!

But, if one is careful to read the account accurately, he or she will discover that the text never says that Adam or Chavah (Eve) knew where the Tree of Life was! They were only told not to eat from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, and they were told that THIS tree was in the middle of the Gan (Garden). And, the two trees are certainly NOT the same tree!

They were not told to eat any particular fruit; they were ordered to AVOID the one fruit! And, frankly, it doesn't matter WHICH tree that was! The "magic" was not in the tree; it was in the obedience or disobedience to GOD who gave the order! The same is true for the Tree of Life. Any medicinal value the tree has is found in the God who made the tree, not in the tree itself!

It was a contest of sorts. They could eat ANY of the other fruit of the trees in the garden, just not that one! The question was this: Could they eventually eat of the Tree of Life (not knowing where it was or what it looked like) before they succumbed to temptation and ate from the ONE tree they were to avoid?! And, we ALL know the answer to THAT question.

And, no, neither Adam nor Chavah ate from the Tree of Life. We are told this in a sentence that YHWH did not finish in Gen. 3:22:

Genesis 3:22-24
22 And the Lord God said, "Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:..."
23 Therefore the Lord God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.
24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.
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They had not yet eaten of the Tree of Life, and they were prevented from doing so. For them to eat of the Tree of Life after failing the contest would have been CHEATING!

Also, the NAMING of these trees is indicative of the results of this contest. Had they continued to eat from all the trees, finally happening upon the Tree of Life, they would have won and lived forever; again, not because of the tree or the fruit but because of God's power!

And, it is IRONIC to understand the meaning of the name of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. Before they took of the fruit and ate it, they were good, just like God was good! And, they had no understanding of what evil was; Chavah accepted the words of the Serpent with complete innocence and gullibility because she had never known what evil looked like! Chavah was deceived. Adam, however, DECIDED to partake of the fruit and share the fate of his wife! HE did so WILLINGLY! Therefore, he received the greater condemnation. Also, AFTER they ate of the fruit, they THEN understood the difference between Good and Evil: God was Good, and THEY were now Evil! See the irony? THAT'S why it was so named! There's no magic in the fruit. Before, they only had light and light; afterward, they had light and darkness - a contrast! That's how they gained the Knowledge of Good and Evil.

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Yes God is good and just... and Adam was created in the image of God being of God's attributes. But did you know that man became JUST LIKE GOD knowing good and evil once they partook of the fruit of the forbidden tree which was Satan's words to produce Cain and Able the evil and good twins of the seed of Satan?

Cain CAN but he wouldn't raise his standards to please God. But Abel... was Able to please God.

Ezek 31:8-10
8 The cedars in the garden of God could not hide him: the fir trees were not like his boughs, and the chestnut trees were not like his branches; nor any tree in the garden of God was like unto him in his beauty.
9 I have made him fair by the multitude of his branches: so that all the trees of Eden, that were in the garden of God, envied him.
10 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thou hast lifted up thyself in height, and he hath shot up his top among the thick boughs, and his heart is lifted up in his height;
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Gen 3:3-7
3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.
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Gen 3:22
22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
KJV

dragonfly said:

I really don't agree with this, despite that God gave the names of two women to two groups of His people - the ten tribes and the two.

The 'children of Israel' were Jacob's descendants, and they were in Egypt before the first Passover. These had literally never lived in the land which had been given to Abraham. Then they left Egypt with Moses, and eventually entered the given land by crossing over Jordan.

Still, at that time, the land was not called 'Israel'. In fact, the land where Jerusalem is, stopped being called Israel, because it was Judah.


There is another difficulty with equating the people with the land, which you will find if you read Deuteronomy, the shorter version of the law. You will see that as soon as they left Egypt, God instructed that the non-Israelites among them could be circumcised, so that they could participate in Passover, and receive the same blessings as natural-born Israelites. This, and that an Israelite man could marry a non-Israelite woman has continued down through the centuries, so that 'children of Israel', even more than at the first Passover, includes great ethnic diversity.

It should be noted that it was the faith to abide by the law which saved those who had joined themselves to the Old Covenant - whether they were natural born or 'strangers'. This is what Paul is talking about all through Romans, and Galatians (in respect to the law that was) to show how it is also by faith that those who join themselves to the New Covenant are saved. Romans 4:16, Hebrews 9:15, Galatians 3:14, 29, Romans 9:8.

The physical is a way of understanding the spiritual. It's the spiritual allegiance which God is after.

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Wasn't Esau called Edom? What about Ephriam and Manassa aren't they refurred to as a group or body of people in a land. Just as Jacobs son's are each their own people. Just as Noah's son's went to a land and became a people of their own in the land God sent them. God does not marry individuals. We spiritually must become His child for it is the spirit of a man that decides rather they are children of the devil or God and we know them by their word and actions.
God is chosing out a people for Himself from the Gentiles and is NO RESPECTOR of persons for He is God of all the earth and man is HIS creation. The weeds sown in our hearts were not sown by Christ but by the enemy to destroy us. The Word himself with the help of the Spirit our teacher transforms us and raises us from what God considered dead...to life. Tyre is also called a people but is a land. God speaks of lands as people. Our motherland is heavenly Jerusalem and no matter where we are in the world in the natural, our citizenship is in the far country who's maker is God.
The Hebrew CHILDREN we of natural Jerusalem we are of spiritual Jerusalem.. she is our mother. She is the bride and wife of the Lamb.

Heb 11:8-10
8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.
9 By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:
10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.
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Isa 50:1
50:1 Thus saith the LORD, Where is the bill of your mother's divorcement, whom I have put away? or which of my creditors is it to whom I have sold you? Behold, for your iniquities have ye sold yourselves, and for your transgressions is your mother put away.
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Gal 4:22-29
22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
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Rev 21:9-10
9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.
10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,
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Do you know the reason that God has a people for Himself? It is so that they will keep His Word alive in the earth, they are the overseers of His Word to feed to the losts and hurting.. to teach them of God and His wonderful provision for obedience. They must obey for it is the foundational laws that keep us safe from harm and ruin. God does not give us law to punish, He gives us laws out of love, for He wants us to live goodly lives without suffering, pain and poverty.
People say, if there is a loving God why would He allow all this suffering? They fail to understand that He does not want all this suffing, they choose it by rejecting His Word to live by. He tells them and tells them over again how to keep yourself from a miserable life. Anyway... that is the purpose of God having a chosen people in this world to keep and teach His Word to mankind for not all men take the time to hear from God.