Luke the Physician and Divine Healing

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I did a count on the number of times Luke used the words heal, heals, healing, healed in his gospel and in Acts. He uses these words 27 times in Luke all but once referring to physical healing by divine means, only once for "medical" healing and that was a negative reference to their failure, and once for spiritual healing which can include physical healing in the meaning of the word as well.
In Acts he used these words 12 times: 11 for divine healing and once for spiritual healing, and again NEVER for "medical" healing.
He used the word whole meaning saved and healed from disease once in Luke for divine healing. He never used it for "medical" healing anywhere. The word whole meaning made well he used once in Acts and never to refer to "medical" healing.
The word saved meaning healed from sickness Luke uses once in his gospel referring to divine healing.
There is no Bible evidence to indicate Luke practiced or believed in anything but divine healing. In fact the evidence above indicates divine healing is what Luke believed and practiced, not "medical" healing.




Luke 8:43New King James Version (NKJV)

43 Now a woman, having a flow of blood for twelve years, who had spent all her livelihood on physicians and could not be healed by any,


This is the ONLY place Luke uses heal to refer to the physicians and this is a NEGATIVE reference. No where does he refer to their healing as positive and ALWAYS uses the word for divine healing.
Now as to the use of drugs for healing as presented by Luke. In Acts 8:9-10 it mentions a sorcerer. It is clear that by definition they used drugs to cure. He repented and stopped doing that. Luke did not defend the use of drugs but presented it as sin.
Here is what the Bible says about the same term Pharmakon/pharmakia which is translated as sorcery. The Greek means primarily use of medicine, drugs, spells, then poisoning, then sorcery according to Vine's Expository Dictionary of Bible Words The same word is used in Revelations 9:21, 18:23. In the Greek Septuagint in Ex. 7:11, 22; 8:7, 18 Isaiah 47: 9, 12. No where in the Bible is this word EVER used in a positive way that would suggest a believer should be using this magical poison. The Greek word *sorcery in Acts 8:9 is mageuo which means "used sorcery" according to Vine's. It is clear that sorcerers used drugs. *Sorceries in Acts 9:11 is magia in Greek which is plural for the magic art or sorcery which includes the use of drugs.
Acts 19:18-19

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18 And many who had believed came confessing and telling their deeds. 19 Also, many of those who had practiced *magic brought their books together and burned them in the sight of all. And they counted up the value of them, and it totaled fifty thousand pieces of silver.

* Magia-The magic art which used drugs.
Again the use of drugs is presented by Luke in the context of sin that is repented of.
The point is that Luke may have used drugs and even "accidentally" killed some people. When he received the light on divine healing he repented and stopped using poison. ALL drugs are POISON and harm the body in any amount. Luke became a powerful witness to and practitioner of divine healing. In fact Luke uses the word heal to mean divine healing more than any other gospel.
 

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Not sure where you are headed with this; but here is what the N.T. instruction is...

Jas 5:14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
Jas 5:15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.

1Pe 2:24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

Based on...

Isa 53:5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

Why don't we see more healings today?

Isa 59:1 Behold, the LORD'S hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither his ear heavy, that it cannot hear:
Isa 59:2 But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.

read the rest of the chapter.
 

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john 8:32 says
Why don't we see more healings today?

this should be the question christians should be asking themselves. how is everyone doing at staying in complete heath? we as christians should be living here on earth so others see us and will understand how it will be in heaven(how we have fallen short of this goal). many christians sound like hypocrites when they tell people of all God can do and when it comes time to actually prove it we fall short. so why is it that even though we are not the biggest religion in the world that we have the fastest conversion rate? these conversion rates are not very high in industrial countries. why is that do you think? more money is stolen from churches every year then go to missions to help spread the gospel. this should tell us where our hearts are and it is not for the unsaved. this is one reason why there are so few healing today. there are many reasons why healing is not working and yet we blame God for it. for example we prayed for a lady's healing to have her spine straightened but when it did not happen right away then she said it must be God's will i am to stay like this. we warned her about her attitude and to this day she is still in the same condition. i have seen people healed and then right before our eyes see the condition come back immediately because they could not believe they were healed. i have seen people healed and then anywhere from 3 months to a year they were in a worse condition then they were before we prayed for them. and yet in places where God has never been heard of and the occult runs wild is where i see and hear about the greatest number of signs, miracles, and wonders. why do you think that is? we are to be a light to this world and the salt of the earth but most christians are not very good examples of Christ according to polls that were taken. 8% of all christian walk in a serious relationship with God. 8% and how many christians are there in the world? 9 out of 10 ministers never make it to retirement age in the ministry because they get burnt out. there are many more polls that are sad to hear but true never-the-less.

God bless
 

lesjude

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John_8:32 said:
Not sure where you are headed with this; but here is what the N.T. instruction is...

Jas 5:14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
Jas 5:15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.

1Pe 2:24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

Based on...

Isa 53:5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

Why don't we see more healings today?

Isa 59:1 Behold, the LORD'S hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither his ear heavy, that it cannot hear:
Isa 59:2 But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.

read the rest of the chapter.
Thank you. We beleive it, and have lived it for 35 years: http://www.christianityboard.com/topic/15884-our-testimonynormal-christianity/

7angels said:
john 8:32 says
Why don't we see more healings today?

this should be the question christians should be asking themselves. how is everyone doing at staying in complete heath? we as christians should be living here on earth so others see us and will understand how it will be in heaven(how we have fallen short of this goal). many christians sound like hypocrites when they tell people of all God can do and when it comes time to actually prove it we fall short. so why is it that even though we are not the biggest religion in the world that we have the fastest conversion rate? these conversion rates are not very high in industrial countries. why is that do you think? more money is stolen from churches every year then go to missions to help spread the gospel. this should tell us where our hearts are and it is not for the unsaved. this is one reason why there are so few healing today. there are many reasons why healing is not working and yet we blame God for it. for example we prayed for a lady's healing to have her spine straightened but when it did not happen right away then she said it must be God's will i am to stay like this. we warned her about her attitude and to this day she is still in the same condition. i have seen people healed and then right before our eyes see the condition come back immediately because they could not believe they were healed. i have seen people healed and then anywhere from 3 months to a year they were in a worse condition then they were before we prayed for them. and yet in places where God has never been heard of and the occult runs wild is where i see and hear about the greatest number of signs, miracles, and wonders. why do you think that is? we are to be a light to this world and the salt of the earth but most christians are not very good examples of Christ according to polls that were taken. 8% of all christian walk in a serious relationship with God. 8% and how many christians are there in the world? 9 out of 10 ministers never make it to retirement age in the ministry because they get burnt out. there are many more polls that are sad to hear but true never-the-less.

God bless
The main reason as you have indicated in SIN and the greatest one is UNBELIEF. Here is a link that may help that I wrote: http://www.christianityboard.com/topic/17176-why-christians-fail-to-receive-physical-healing/
 

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who are you trying to convince ? yourself ? because you sure dont fool me sir .. we all get sick and die down here .... unless we are maybe raptured .... you appear to be searching for some kind of eternal life with no sickness here on earth .... who are you trying to kid ? best wishes.
 

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Arnie Manitoba said:
who are you trying to convince ? yourself ? because you sure dont fool me sir .. we all get sick and die down here .... unless we are maybe raptured .... you appear to be searching for some kind of eternal life with no sickness here on earth .... who are you trying to kid ? best wishes.
Apparently you do not bother to read what I have written and do not seem to have one single scripture for your point of view which is nothing more than what religion teaches. Please think outside man's religious doctrines and read what the Bible says. We do and live it. Why not you?
 

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lesdude .... you have probably used more drugs than i have
i have probably read the bible more than you have
i do not need to copy and paste half the bible to make a point
your proclamations sound like religion to me
best wishes in your studies
concentrate on yourself
instead of what you think everyone else is doing wrong.
finding fault with others pleases your sinful nature
that is why you do it.
 

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Arnie Manitoba said:
lesdude .... you have probably used more drugs than i have
i have probably read the bible more than you have
i do not need to copy and paste half the bible to make a point
your proclamations sound like religion to me
best wishes in your studies
concentrate on yourself
instead of what you think everyone else is doing wrong.
finding fault with others pleases your sinful nature
that is why you do it.
It has been over 35 years of trusting Jesus ALONE for healing with no use of drugs or doctors. When I got saved I found out that the Bible is true. When I saw truth I sought God to put it into practice in my life instead of arguing against scripture and experience that is supported by scripture. It seems you are calling evil good and good evil. What exactly is your issue with our testimony as normal christianity? It does not fit your religious experience? It does not line up with the Bible?
 

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LesJude

I find the bible to be true as well , and I depend on the promises it contains .

I feel that the main promise of Christianity is eternal life in an enviornment which will have no sickness or death .

I do not feel that we are promised a problem-free or sickness-free life while we are still here on earth and still in the flesh.

But thats just me.

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Would you agree that Luke , the great physician , apostle , and man of great faith and divine healing is dead ?
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Arnie Manitoba said:
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LesJude

I find the bible to be true as well , and I depend on the promises it contains .

I feel that the main promise of Christianity is eternal life in an enviornment which will have no sickness or death .
PLEASE use Vine's Bible dictionary to look up the NT verb to save and see all it includes and how the word is used in the Bible. You are missing a lot!



I do not feel that we are promised a problem-free or sickness-free life while we are still here on earth and still in the flesh.

But thats just me.
You are correct and I have NEVER said this. Please read James 1:2-4, 1 Peter 1:6-7, Romans 5:1-5. However Jesus promises healing if the trial is physical sickness. And no it does NOT meant a Christian will not die. However they do NOT have to die sick!
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Would you agree that Luke , the great physician , apostle , and man of great faith and divine healing is dead ?
Yes, but he did not have to die sick as I have said and I have also said why not!
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So you have made your point lesjude ..... you are the healthiest person and the rest of us are just a bunch of unwashed sickies.

I hope that makes you feel much better.
 

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Arnie Manitoba said:
So you have made your point lesjude ..... you are the healthiest person and the rest of us are just a bunch of unwashed sickies.

I hope that makes you feel much better.
You have entirely missed my point. Actually it is very, very sad.
 

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Arnie Manitoba said:
Please make your point in one or two sentences ..... in your own words .... and without quoting the bible.

That would be a good start
It is ALWAYS Jesus will to heal His people with no exceptions only conditions which are clear in the Bible and easily met by grace through faith. Religion and the teachings of men have robbed God's people of that Bible truth so they believe He has given them the #3 cause of death in the US to be stripped naked, drugged and cut up. That is what is so very, very sad.
 

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Please make your point in one or two sentences ..... in your own words .... and without quoting the bible.

That would be a good start
This is a Bible based forum, if one wants human opinion, I would suggest looking elsewhere.
 

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Arn's point is valid. Some folk use the bible as an erector set, jamming together a hodgepodge jumble of barely tangentially related scripture verses to fabricate a meaning or teaching so utterly foreign to holy writ as to make Christianity out to be little more than a PT Barnum sideshow. There's a sucker born every minute.
 

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John_8:32 said:
This is a Bible based forum, if one wants human opinion, I would suggest looking elsewhere.
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With all respect sir i am a bible based christian .... and because of that i recognize when somebody is trying to force-fit selected scriptures to push everybody toward a certain beleif.

BigAndy pointed that out in his post above and I agree with him.

If I made the claim that i could heal the sick on a regular basis .... I would give a demonstration right in front of you and everybody .....

i would not be like lesjude and take selected verses from the bible showing that an apostle healed ... and thus we should be able to do it also

just because he quotes inapropriate scripture does not make his claim true .... and because i do not quote scripture does not make what i say untrue.
 

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Arnie Manitoba said:
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With all respect sir i am a bible based christian .... and because of that i recognize when somebody is trying to force-fit selected scriptures to push everybody toward a certain beleif.

BigAndy pointed that out in his post above and I agree with him.

If I made the claim that i could heal the sick on a regular basis .... I would give a demonstration right in front of you and everybody .....

i would not be like lesjude and take selected verses from the bible showing that an apostle healed ... and thus we should be able to do it also

just because he quotes inapropriate scripture does not make his claim true .... and because i do not quote scripture does not make what i say untrue.


Isaiah 8:20
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20 To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
I gave you scripture and we do it. Now you have choices: I am lying. I am telling the truth. The devil is doing these things through us. We do these things by the power of the Holy Spirit.
If I am truthful then no believer has ANY excuse to not be doing these things. Jesus did them. The 70 did them. Paul did them. Steven did them. We do them. How about you?