Sin, Sickness, and the Medical System

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Satan wants the people in his kingdom comfortable enough so they do not get the idea that the root of ALL sickness is sin and turn to God in repentance. As long as they can be deceived to continue in sin with the illusion that their sickness can be "cured" they will be less likely to turn to God. The medical system does keep them comfortable enough so they continue in the deception while providing torture for the demons' enjoyment and a lot of blood sacrifices to Satan and his demons.

There are many internet sites for the dangers and serious issues of nearly every antibiotic, prescription/over the counter drug including aspirin. God did not give the knowledge to use them any more then how arsenic was used as a food preservative for many years. Opium was sold over the counter for many years as were many other "illegal" drugs. I will say again that all drugs are poison and harm the body in any amount including antibiotics. The long term effects are NOT known for any drug until it is too late. Do some research!

Jesus NEVER used any aspect of medicine nor did He ever give any direction that His saints should EVER need it or use it. The apostles were the same in actions and instruction. He set healing in His church in James 5:14-15. You will note that sin forgiven and healing are closely connected in the verses including verse 16. Sin and sickness are together dealt with in Christ's atonement in Isaiah 53:4-5 and the word iaomai is used in 1 Peter 2:24 in reference to that atonement in Isaiah 53:4-5. The Greek word for heal iaomai-to heal is used to mean both physical (22 times) and "spiritual" healing and carries the meaning that upon dealing with the cause of sickness, sin, physical healing is available as well; also in the meaning of sozo to save both physical and spiritual healing are included.

Man's antichrist religion has separated the two and robbed God's people. They have many fellow travelers.

Christ Himself made the connection between sin and sickness in Matthew 9:1-8.

I realize what John 9:3 says and what it does NOT mean. The parents were not the ones who sinned but that obviously does not mean that the origin of his blindness is not sin because that is how it came into the world. Satan is the author of it, not God. His healing brought God glory, defeated sin as the source of the blindness and brought spiritual healing to the man. It also gives us some of the most humorous dialogue in the Bible!

God can allow sickness as in Job's case (and as a last resort for correction in others) but the purposes and who does it are clearly stated in Job 1 and 2 and James 5:11. Job was vindicated by God Job 42:7, healed, given more spiritual authority Job 42:8, and more than restored Job 42:10-17. There is no reason to believe that God will not do the same for those in Christ. However it seems most do not believe it. Again very,
 

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lesjude said:
God can allow sickness as in Job's case (and as a last resort for correction in others) but the purposes and who does it are clearly stated in Job 1 and 2 and James 5:11. Job was vindicated by God Job 42:7, healed, given more spiritual authority Job 42:8, and more than restored Job 42:10-17. There is no reason to believe that God will not do the same for those in Christ. However it seems most do not believe it. Again very,
Are you saying God allowed sickness in Job "as a last resort for correction"?
 

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lesjude said:
Satan wants the people in his kingdom comfortable enough so they do not get the idea that the root of ALL sickness is sin and turn to God in repentance. As long as they can be deceived to continue in sin with the illusion that their sickness can be "cured" they will be less likely to turn to God. The medical system does keep them comfortable enough so they continue in the deception while providing torture for the demons' enjoyment and a lot of blood sacrifices to Satan and his demons.

There are many internet sites for the dangers and serious issues of nearly every antibiotic, prescription/over the counter drug including aspirin. God did not give the knowledge to use them any more then how arsenic was used as a food preservative for many years. Opium was sold over the counter for many years as were many other "illegal" drugs. I will say again that all drugs are poison and harm the body in any amount including antibiotics. The long term effects are NOT known for any drug until it is too late. Do some research!

Jesus NEVER used any aspect of medicine nor did He ever give any direction that His saints should EVER need it or use it. The apostles were the same in actions and instruction. He set healing in His church in James 5:14-15. You will note that sin forgiven and healing are closely connected in the verses including verse 16. Sin and sickness are together dealt with in Christ's atonement in Isaiah 53:4-5 and the word iaomai is used in 1 Peter 2:24 in reference to that atonement in Isaiah 53:4-5. The Greek word for heal iaomai-to heal is used to mean both physical (22 times) and "spiritual" healing and carries the meaning that upon dealing with the cause of sickness, sin, physical healing is available as well; also in the meaning of sozo to save both physical and spiritual healing are included.

Man's antichrist religion has separated the two and robbed God's people. They have many fellow travelers.

Christ Himself made the connection between sin and sickness in Matthew 9:1-8.

I realize what John 9:3 says and what it does NOT mean. The parents were not the ones who sinned but that obviously does not mean that the origin of his blindness is not sin because that is how it came into the world. Satan is the author of it, not God. His healing brought God glory, defeated sin as the source of the blindness and brought spiritual healing to the man. It also gives us some of the most humorous dialogue in the Bible!

God can allow sickness as in Job's case (and as a last resort for correction in others) but the purposes and who does it are clearly stated in Job 1 and 2 and James 5:11. Job was vindicated by God Job 42:7, healed, given more spiritual authority Job 42:8, and more than restored Job 42:10-17. There is no reason to believe that God will not do the same for those in Christ. However it seems most do not believe it. Again very,
Amen lesjude,
The word sorcery, sorcerer, sorceress, witchcraft in the Strong's Concordance in the Greek in the Bible means Pharmakea aka Pharmacists, Pharmacy, Pills, Medication,poisioner, potion.
When man ask God to be healed then reach for man's help or the medicine cabinet for something they can see to believe in for their healing... God backs away for He will NOT share His glory with anything or one!
Rev 9:19-21
19 For their power is in their mouth, and in their tails: for their tails were like unto serpents, and had heads, and with them they do hurt.
20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:
21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.
KJV
Rev 18:23
23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men{GIANTS OF THE INDUSTRY} of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.
KJV

There is no way that God has given men the abilities and rights to kill by abortions, create life in cloneing, rearrange the flesh of men to suite their desired look as if God messed up. Nor knowledge to travel to distant planets exalting their selves above the stars. He planted them on earth and told them to take dominion THERE ONLY. Oh the giants who rule the world are destroying the earth and God's man.
Rev 11:17-18
17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead{SPIRITUALLY DEAD}, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth
KJV

Also want to add that God gave us the plants for foods and healing.. but man has labeled one who uses herbs for healing the witches and sorcerers and have taken the perfect plants that God gave us and has created chemicals and mixed deadly potions WITH God's plants calling their concoctions GOOD.
When we abide in God's Word God does not put any of the diseases on us as He did the Egyptians(ungodly).
Ex 15:26
26 And said, If thou wilt diligently hearken to the voice of the LORD thy God, and wilt do that which is right in his sight, and wilt give ear to his commandments, and keep all his statutes, I will put none of these diseases upon thee, which I have brought upon the Egyptians: for I am the LORD that healeth thee.
KJV
Rev 22:1-2
22:1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
KJV
 
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afaithfulone4u said:
Amen lesjude,
The word sorcery, sorcerer, sorceress, witchcraft in the Strong's Concordance in the Greek in the Bible means Pharmakea aka Pharmacists, Pharmacy, Pills, Medication,poisioner, potion.
When man ask God to be healed then reach for man's help or the medicine cabinet for something they can see to believe in for their healing... God backs away for He will NOT share His glory with anything or one!
Rev 9:19-21
19 For their power is in their mouth, and in their tails: for their tails were like unto serpents, and had heads, and with them they do hurt.
20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:
21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.
KJV
Rev 18:23
23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men{GIANTS OF THE INDUSTRY} of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.
KJV

There is no way that God has given men the abilities and rights to kill by abortions, create life in cloneing, rearrange the flesh of men to suite their desired look as if God messed up. Nor knowledge to travel to distant planets exalting their selves above the stars. He planted them on earth and told them to take dominion THERE ONLY. Oh the giants who rule the world are destroying the earth and God's man.
Rev 11:17-18
17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead{SPIRITUALLY DEAD}, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth
KJV


Also want to add that God gave us the plants for foods and healing.. but man has labeled one who uses herbs for healing the witches and sorcerers and have taken the perfect plants that God gave us and has created chemicals and mixed deadly potions WITH God's plants calling their concoctions GOOD.
When we abide in God's Word God does not put any of the diseases on us as He did the Egyptians(ungodly).
Ex 15:26
26 And said, If thou wilt diligently hearken to the voice of the LORD thy God, and wilt do that which is right in his sight, and wilt give ear to his commandments, and keep all his statutes, I will put none of these diseases upon thee, which I have brought upon the Egyptians: for I am the LORD that healeth thee.
KJV
Rev 22:1-2
22:1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
KJV
AMEN!
 

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YES! That's it! Commonality implies CAUSALITY!!! Since the word for pills is from the same root as witchcraft then all medicine is of the devil!!!!

Thank you for clearing that up!

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(yes, I know you will get some letters HS, but it HAD to be said)
 

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Amen lesjude,
The word sorcery, sorcerer, sorceress, witchcraft in the Strong's Concordance in the Greek in the Bible means Pharmakea aka Pharmacists, Pharmacy, Pills, Medication,poisioner, potion......

Speaking of medication and pharmacies, etc. I want to take a pragmatic approach in addition to the spiritual. I read somewhere that something like 70% of all medical costs (and we know how much that skyrocketed) are due to medicinal treatments, tests and visits (as opposed to some actual work on the body such as surgery, physical therapy, etc). In other words, the populace masses are spending all these megabucks on pills. I know. YEARS AGO already I once picked up prescriptions for my elderly parents-in-laws and remember spending about $500 of their limited income money on their monthly prescription. I hit the ceiling when I found out how much they were soaking them for the pills. And I think prices tripled since then.

Of course the mindless populace then cry out "We have to do something! We need government healthcare!" I'll say they have to do something. They have to stop taking so many pills. Since most pills are for what I call "numbers maladies" e.g. "your BP is too high! you're cholesterol it too high! you're blood sugar is too high!" etc etc we have indeed seen an exponential increase on pushing these treatments even on healthy people "as a prevention."

Since such medications neither cure the condition, extend life, nor prevent anything, I understand the rip-off that it all is.

Yes, I believe the Lord (Yahweh) heals us, but in addition, I want to bring up the point that people are not as sick as they think they are, but are talked into it by the medical establishment or Big Pharma. It gets to the point (at least is the case with me) that one cannot go to the doctor for a simple cold any longer without them digging hard to find something else, just to say, "Here's a pill you'll have to take for the rest of your life. Whereas before you hardly ever came to see me, now you'll have to spend your precious time to see me every month for constant check-ups." (Or to that effect :lol: )
 

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tim_from_pa said:
Speaking of medication and pharmacies, etc. I want to take a pragmatic approach in addition to the spiritual. I read somewhere that something like 70% of all medical costs (and we know how much that skyrocketed) are due to medicinal treatments, tests and visits (as opposed to some actual work on the body such as surgery, physical therapy, etc). In other words, the populace masses are spending all these megabucks on pills. I know. YEARS AGO already I once picked up prescriptions for my elderly parents-in-laws and remember spending about $500 of their limited income money on their monthly prescription. I hit the ceiling when I found out how much they were soaking them for the pills. And I think prices tripled since then.

Of course the mindless populace then cry out "We have to do something! We need government healthcare!" I'll say they have to do something. They have to stop taking so many pills. Since most pills are for what I call "numbers maladies" e.g. "your BP is too high! you're cholesterol it too high! you're blood sugar is too high!" etc etc we have indeed seen an exponential increase on pushing these treatments even on healthy people "as a prevention."

Since such medications neither cure the condition, extend life, nor prevent anything, I understand the rip-off that it all is.

Yes, I believe the Lord (Yahweh) heals us, but in addition, I want to bring up the point that people are not as sick as they think they are, but are talked into it by the medical establishment or Big Pharma. It gets to the point (at least is the case with me) that one cannot go to the doctor for a simple cold any longer without them digging hard to find something else, just to say, "Here's a pill you'll have to take for the rest of your life. Whereas before you hardly ever came to see me, now you'll have to spend your precious time to see me every month for constant check-ups." (Or to that effect :lol: )
An 80 year old man who is a family friend and saved was on blood pressure medicine. He could hardly get out of bed after he was on it awhile so his wife took his bp. It was VERY low like 70 over 40. He stopped the meds and has been fine since. Have you seen the commercial for the sleeping pill for a person who wakes up in the middle of the night. The side effects go on for half the commercial and at least one is fatal. If you do not laugh you would cry over that one.
 

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Revelation 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

It's not specifically the pill that they were deceived by, but what was in that pill, and what it does --- That's how the world is deceived. The AMA denounces natural methods (especially for "incurables" such as diabetes) as "quackery" when in fact, most of them are the quacks. The poisons in those pills do not help your body, but poison and destroy it, as well as mask the symptoms of the problems you have. It does not heal, but masks.
 

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lesjude said:
Speaking of medication and pharmacies, etc. I want to take a pragmatic approach in addition to the spiritual. I read somewhere that something like 70% of all medical costs (and we know how much that skyrocketed) are due to medicinal treatments, tests and visits (as opposed to some actual work on the body such as surgery, physical therapy, etc). In other words, the populace masses are spending all these megabucks on pills. I know. YEARS AGO already I once picked up prescriptions for my elderly parents-in-laws and remember spending about $500 of their limited income money on their monthly prescription. I hit the ceiling when I found out how much they were soaking them for the pills. And I think prices tripled since then.

Of course the mindless populace then cry out "We have to do something! We need government healthcare!" I'll say they have to do something. They have to stop taking so many pills. Since most pills are for what I call "numbers maladies" e.g. "your BP is too high! you're cholesterol it too high! you're blood sugar is too high!" etc etc we have indeed seen an exponential increase on pushing these treatments even on healthy people "as a prevention."

Since such medications neither cure the condition, extend life, nor prevent anything, I understand the rip-off that it all is.

Yes, I believe the Lord (Yahweh) heals us, but in addition, I want to bring up the point that people are not as sick as they think they are, but are talked into it by the medical establishment or Big Pharma. It gets to the point (at least is the case with me) that one cannot go to the doctor for a simple cold any longer without them digging hard to find something else, just to say, "Here's a pill you'll have to take for the rest of your life. Whereas before you hardly ever came to see me, now you'll have to spend your precious time to see me every month for constant check-ups." (Or to that effect :lol: )
An 80 year old man who is a family friend and saved was on blood pressure medicine. He could hardly get out of bed after he was on it awhile so his wife took his bp. It was VERY low like 70 over 40. He stopped the meds and has been fine since. Have you seen the commercial for the sleeping pill for a person who wakes up in the middle of the night. The side effects go on for half the commercial and at least one is fatal. If you do not laugh you would cry over that one.
Yeah, you don't have to tell me that one. The same thing happened to my 87-year-old father who fell over. They took him to the hospital and basically took him off the BP med that was too strong. I was telling them that years ago. If only he stop that darn cholesterol pill as well, but my mom who was once a nurse won't take them herself. She's smart. But since my dad once had a heart attack and then later a 5x bypass awhile back seem to feel he "needs" them. But all I see is an elderly guy getting more and more confused and the cholesterol meds certainly did not prevent that from happening before. I think my mom had him cut back on them, though. As long as the blood tests come back OK the doctor does not know the difference, and helps save money. Since he's in Florida, I tell him to get out in the sun more. We used to tan in our younger days looking almost like a black person, although we are Germanic.
 

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Speaking of medication and pharmacies, etc. I want to take a pragmatic approach in addition to the spiritual. I read somewhere that something like 70% of all medical costs (and we know how much that skyrocketed) are due to medicinal treatments, tests and visits (as opposed to some actual work on the body such as surgery, physical therapy, etc). In other words, the populace masses are spending all these megabucks on pills. I know. YEARS AGO already I once picked up prescriptions for my elderly parents-in-laws and remember spending about $500 of their limited income money on their monthly prescription. I hit the ceiling when I found out how much they were soaking them for the pills. And I think prices tripled since then.

Of course the mindless populace then cry out "We have to do something! We need government healthcare!" I'll say they have to do something. They have to stop taking so many pills. Since most pills are for what I call "numbers maladies" e.g. "your BP is too high! you're cholesterol it too high! you're blood sugar is too high!" etc etc we have indeed seen an exponential increase on pushing these treatments even on healthy people "as a prevention."

Since such medications neither cure the condition, extend life, nor prevent anything, I understand the rip-off that it all is.

Yes, I believe the Lord (Yahweh) heals us, but in addition, I want to bring up the point that people are not as sick as they think they are, but are talked into it by the medical establishment or Big Pharma. It gets to the point (at least is the case with me) that one cannot go to the doctor for a simple cold any longer without them digging hard to find something else, just to say, "Here's a pill you'll have to take for the rest of your life. Whereas before you hardly ever came to see me, now you'll have to spend your precious time to see me every month for constant check-ups." (Or to that effect :lol: )
An 80 year old man who is a family friend and saved was on blood pressure medicine. He could hardly get out of bed after he was on it awhile so his wife took his bp. It was VERY low like 70 over 40. He stopped the meds and has been fine since. Have you seen the commercial for the sleeping pill for a person who wakes up in the middle of the night. The side effects go on for half the commercial and at least one is fatal. If you do not laugh you would cry over that one.


Yeah, you don't have to tell me that one. The same thing happened to my 87-year-old father who fell over. They took him to the hospital and basically took him off the BP med that was too strong. I was telling them that years ago. If only he stop that darn cholesterol pill as well, but my mom who was once a nurse won't take them herself. She's smart. But since my dad once had a heart attack and then later a 5x bypass awhile back seem to feel he "needs" them. But all I see is an elderly guy getting more and more confused and the cholesterol meds certainly did not prevent that from happening before. I think my mom had him cut back on them, though. As long as the blood tests come back OK the doctor does not know the difference, and helps save money. Since he's in Florida, I tell him to get out in the sun more. We used to tan in our younger days looking almost like a black person, although we are Germanic.



I had high blood pressure (166/110) and took medication for it. I was so tired I could hardly put one foot in front of the other, so I bought a bicycle. Blood pressure is now 120's over 70's and no medication and feel much better.
 
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I had high blood pressure (166/110) and took medication for it. I was so tired I could hardly put one foot in front of the other, so I bought a bicycle. Blood pressure is now 120's over 70's and no medication and feel much better.
Exercise is so proven to be beneficial to us, but no, people want to make merchandise of us. Good for you, sir!