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from my knowledge of the scriptures, 1 Corithians 3:17 KJV states "If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are."if we (our bodies) contain the holy spirit (in us) we are holy and doesn't drinking hurt the body thereby hurting Gods temple?another scripture: ...ye are the temple of the living God... Im not trying to go in depth but I wanted to share this with anyone will to listen and tell me what they thinkplease expain to me why my oppinion is so different from the other comments?
 

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I think your confusion here is with your idea of Wine (being alcohol) you are assuming it defiles the body. We are told just the oppisite that in small amounts it helps the digestion and the body. Medical evidence supports this. Is also can comfort (calm ) the spirit. However like many things in scripture there is a dualality there is a positive side and a negative side. Drunkedness is wrong and the bible has may examples of getting drunk leading to negative consequnces. So the key here as I said is moderation 1 sm glass of wine with a meal is benificial to body and calms the mind. A body that is has a healthy digestive system and is calm is better able to put his worldly thoughts aside and enter into prayer.Think about it if your all stressed about school or work or have overeaten and your stomach hurts how to do concentrate on prayers. Getting drunk dulls the mind of its senses. If You are drunk you are in no better shape to pray then one who is stressed out. Pro 31:6 Give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish, and wine unto those that be of heavy hearts. Eph 5:18 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;So it is the moderation the small amont. Thats key
 

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Im not trying to offend or judge anyone but doesn't it say in the bibleEphesians 5:18KJV "And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the spirit."Im sure there's confusion of why Jesus turned the water into wine (everyone I know has read that story) but that was a gift for a rich party not to say wine is good for you because...1 Corithians 3:16-17 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? ---If any man defile the temple of God him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.Wine definitely hurts the body over time, that is a proven fact, and if God is in us we must protect our bodies from corruption of any kind.2 Corithians 6:16 states "...ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them and walk in them and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.God doesn't just want our heart and mind to be clean but our bodies also for everyone Im sure who has been brought up in a religious background has heard this said to them,"cleanliness is close to Godliness!"
 

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I don't understand the confusion created here !Has bible ever said that we should get drunk? NOHas bible pointed the health benefits of wine? YESI Timothy 5:23 - Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmitiesEcclesiastes 10:17 17 Blessed are you, O land whose king is of noble birth and whose princes eat at a proper time— for strength and not for drunkenness.Ephesians 5:18 18Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to debauchery. Instead, be filled with the SpiritMatthew 11:19 19The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, 'Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and "sinners." ' But wisdom is proved right by her actions."Luke 21:34 34"Be careful, or your hearts will be weighed down with dissipation, drunkenness and the anxieties of life, and that day will close on you unexpectedly like a trap.
 

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It's OK to drink wine. Perfectly fine...If it wasn't good, why did Yahshua made water into wine? (John 2:1-11) It's OK to drink it in moderation. I used to go against this, because it was alcohol.Lovest ye in Christ Yahshua our Lord and Saviour.I Timothy 5:23 - Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities............... Nevermind foolish question ...................Does it mean that I'm forbidden to drink water in my life? I still do, but I'm in the mood of asking.
It's perfectly ok to drink water baby
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Try to get the essence of the verses. You never know if water was not all that clean in that area so wine was prefered.Another thing to ponder: In France it is a custom to drink wine with every meal. If you see french people they are not drunk. Over the years their body matoblism has adapted to it. They even drive cars after having wine. The point is not to get drunk for that leads to sin. Also please note that everyone has their own tolerance level to alchol. One should know when to say NO.Bless you
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It's OK to drink wine. Perfectly fine...If it wasn't good, why did Yahshua made water into wine? (John 2:1-11) It's OK to drink it in moderation. I used to go against this, because it was alcohol.Lovest ye in Christ Yahshua our Lord and Saviour.I Timothy 5:23 - Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities............... Nevermind foolish question ...................Does it mean that I'm forbidden to drink water in my life? I still do, but I'm in the mood of asking.
It's perfectly ok to drink water baby
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Try to get the essence of the verses. You never know if water was not all that clean in that area so wine was prefered.Another thing to ponder: In France it is a custom to drink wine with every meal. If you see french people they are not drunk. Over the years their body matoblism has adapted to it. They even drive cars after having wine. The point is not to get drunk for that leads to sin.Also please note that everyone has their own tolerance level to alchol. One should know when to say NO.Bless you
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I agree with you there that not to get drunk with wine and other alcoholic beverages. Overdoing it is what damages your body and brain...that is excess. Not the part where we can have a little...for healthiness. I also agree with you that everyone have different tolerance level.Bless you too Amy.Thanks anyway for answering my foolish question... :blessyou:
 

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I agree with you there that not to get drunk with wine and other alcoholic beverages. Overdoing it is what damages your body and brain...that is excess. Not the part where we can have a little...for healthiness. I also agree with you that everyone have different tolerance level.Bless you too Amy.Thanks anyway for answering my foolish question... :blessyou:
A chinese once said, ''only a fool dose not ask for he is going to reamin a fool for the rest of his life'' . It was brilliant that you questioned that detail
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Im not trying to offend or judge anyone but doesn't it say in the bibleEphesians 5:18KJV "And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the spirit."Im sure there's confusion of why Jesus turned the water into wine (everyone I know has read that story) but that was a gift for a rich party not to say wine is good for you because...1 Corithians 3:16-17 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? ---If any man defile the temple of God him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.Wine definitely hurts the body over time, that is a proven fact, and if God is in us we must protect our bodies from corruption of any kind.2 Corithians 6:16 states "...ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them and walk in them and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.God doesn't just want our heart and mind to be clean but our bodies also for everyone Im sure who has been brought up in a religious background has heard this said to them,"cleanliness is close to Godliness!"
Yes and a small amount of Wine helps keep the body clean.Elmo read Amy's post above. What do you not understand ?Getting drunk is not the same as drinking a little wine???Anymore than eating a small meal is not the same as eating a whole cowa meal is fine eating a whole cow is glutneya small amount of wine is benificial a bottle or 2 is drunkedness I dont understand why you can not see the difference.
 

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three times I wrote a reply on this subject but it didn't get postedI quoted this before but Im just going to come out and say what my point before was.Our bodies become holy when the holy spirit comes into our heart, so how can something like wine be good if it hurts our body. (it is well known that alcohol destroys brain cells. and other body parts become weaker...well that's all I have to say
 

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three times I wrote a reply on this subject but it didn't get postedI quoted this before but Im just going to come out and say what my point before was.Our bodies become holy when the holy spirit comes into our heart, so how can something like wine be good if it hurts our body. (it is well known that alcohol destroys brain cells. and other body parts become weaker...well that's all I have to say
Elmo, please do a research on wine and it's benefits on the net.No one here is saying that one should get drunk on tequilas.
 

elmo

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I didn't see my other post but I realize from kriss's reply that it did. but anyways, aren't we tempting ourselves by drinking a "little wine"...and doesn't wine a little at a time still hurt you in the long run?
 

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I didn't see my other post but I realize from kriss's reply that it did. but anyways, aren't we tempting ourselves by drinking a "little wine"...and doesn't wine a little at a time still hurt you in the long run?
No, wine in little amounts do good in the long run. Consult a doctor or search on benefits of wine on the net.In addition read the verse that is given here where Jesus talks about the benefit s of wine in moderation.
 

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I have to say it, Kriss and Amy do speak truth, because the bible speaketh about a little wine.(Kriss)
Yes and a small amount of Wine helps keep the body clean.Elmo read Amy's post above. What do you not understand ?Getting drunk is not the same as drinking a little wine???Anymore than eating a small meal is not the same as eating a whole cowa meal is fine eating a whole cow is glutneya small amount of wine is benificial a bottle or 2 is drunkednessI dont understand why you can not see the difference.
Much love, JagLovest ye in Christ Yahshua our Lord and Saviour.
 

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It's not that I don't agree but when I read the scripture Amy quoted I didn't understand how that related to wine? (Eph. 6:11,12,14-17)?
 

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That's Amy's signature. We wrestle against not the flesh, but the spirit of the antichrists. We should put on the full armour of God.Breastplate of righteousness; Feet for preparation of the gospel of peace; Shield of faith; Helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit.Much love, JagLovest ye in Christ Yahshua our Lord and Saviour.
 

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Jag is right elmo you can add bible verses to the bottom of signature if you notice they say the same on every post a person makes. also if you lose a post go back a page or two and see if it is there
 

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QUOTE (Christina @ Sep 15 2007, 02:48 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=17808
Satan's followers will not drink wineJer.35 1: The word which came unto Jeremiah from the LORD in the days of Jehoiakim the son of Josiah king of Judah, saying, 2: Go unto the house of the Rechabites, and speak unto them, and bring them into the house of the LORD, into one of the chambers, and give them wine to drink. 3: Then I took Jaazaniah the son of Jeremiah, the son of Habaziniah, and his brethren, and all his sons, and the whole house of the Rechabites; 4: And I brought them into the house of the LORD, into the chamber of the sons of Hanan, the son of Igdaliah, a man of God, which was by the chamber of the princes, which was above the chamber of Maaseiah the son of Shallum, the keeper of the door: 5: And I set before the sons of the house of the Rechabites pots full of wine, and cups, and I said unto them, Drink ye wine. 6: But they said, We will drink no wine: for Jonadab the son of Rechab our father commanded us, saying, Ye shall drink no wine, neither ye, nor your sons for ever: Muslims will not drink wineThe Qur'an tells Muslims not to drink wine,or eat pork for their health. For these reasons alcohol is illegal in some Islamic countriesOn the authority of Ibn Masud (ra) who said, Once a bedouin came to the Prophet (pbuh) and said, O prophet of Allah, counsel me. The Prophet (pbuh) said: "Do not ascribe anything unto Allah, even if you are cut up into pieces or burnt and do not delay the prayer from its appointed times for it is the trust of Allah. And do not drink wine for it is the key of every evil". [Ibn MajahAnd do not drink wine for it is the key of every evil". This is a pretty amazing statement and sounds like much ,more than a health law to meTo the Christian Wine as always been symbolic of the Blood of Christ. For the Muslim faith to declare wine the Root of ALL evil.To a Christian this is saying that Blood of Christ is the root of all evil
Howdy my sister, oh your insight excites me!!! Love the Lord and what he tells us in his written words, little pearls waiting to be found. And look what you pulled out!!!! These are of the 12 tribes of Ishmael? I believe they are.I need to research their names and see. WOW, is all I can say. God through out his word uses the descriptive "of the Vine" "the Wine, grapes, fruit of the vine, all referencing Christ and us. So it makes all the more sense why God's SWORD would not drink the wine and re frame from it because of what it symbolizes. My sister you are on fire! I love what your eyes see, for mine see also and it excites me. I came across Romans 13:1-5 today that jumped out at me about the Sword. I will post it when I get home. You'll appreciate what God is saying to us to help us understand this time coming. LOL In Christ's precious nameVickie
 

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QUOTE (Vickie @ Mar 7 2009, 03:52 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=70345
QUOTE (Christina @ Sep 15 2007, 02:48 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=17808
Satan's followers will not drink wineJer.35 1: The word which came unto Jeremiah from the LORD in the days of Jehoiakim the son of Josiah king of Judah, saying, 2: Go unto the house of the Rechabites, and speak unto them, and bring them into the house of the LORD, into one of the chambers, and give them wine to drink. 3: Then I took Jaazaniah the son of Jeremiah, the son of Habaziniah, and his brethren, and all his sons, and the whole house of the Rechabites; 4: And I brought them into the house of the LORD, into the chamber of the sons of Hanan, the son of Igdaliah, a man of God, which was by the chamber of the princes, which was above the chamber of Maaseiah the son of Shallum, the keeper of the door: 5: And I set before the sons of the house of the Rechabites pots full of wine, and cups, and I said unto them, Drink ye wine. 6: But they said, We will drink no wine: for Jonadab the son of Rechab our father commanded us, saying, Ye shall drink no wine, neither ye, nor your sons for ever: Muslims will not drink wineThe Qur'an tells Muslims not to drink wine,or eat pork for their health. For these reasons alcohol is illegal in some Islamic countriesOn the authority of Ibn Masud (ra) who said, Once a bedouin came to the Prophet (pbuh) and said, O prophet of Allah, counsel me. The Prophet (pbuh) said: "Do not ascribe anything unto Allah, even if you are cut up into pieces or burnt and do not delay the prayer from its appointed times for it is the trust of Allah. And do not drink wine for it is the key of every evil". [Ibn MajahAnd do not drink wine for it is the key of every evil". This is a pretty amazing statement and sounds like much ,more than a health law to meTo the Christian Wine as always been symbolic of the Blood of Christ. For the Muslim faith to declare wine the Root of ALL evil.To a Christian this is saying that Blood of Christ is the root of all evil
Howdy my sister, oh your insight excites me!!! Love the Lord and what he tells us in his written words, little pearls waiting to be found. And look what you pulled out!!!! These are of the 12 tribes of Ishmael? I believe they are.I need to research their names and see. WOW, is all I can say. God through out his word uses the descriptive "of the Vine" "the Wine, grapes, fruit of the vine, all referencing Christ and us. So it makes all the more sense why God's SWORD would not drink the wine and re frame from it because of what it symbolizes. My sister you are on fire! I love what your eyes see, for mine see also and it excites me. I came across Romans 13:1-5 today that jumped out at me about the Sword. I will post it when I get home. You'll appreciate what God is saying to us to help us understand this time coming. LOL In Christ's precious nameVickieVickie, just wondering if you misread or not, but it says that Satan follower's will not drink wine at all...
 

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QUOTE (Vickie @ Mar 7 2009, 01:52 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=70345
Howdy my sister, oh your insight excites me!!! Love the Lord and what he tells us in his written words, little pearls waiting to be found. And look what you pulled out!!!! These are of the 12 tribes of Ishmael? I believe they are.I need to research their names and see. WOW, is all I can say. God through out his word uses the descriptive "of the Vine" "the Wine, grapes, fruit of the vine, all referencing Christ and us. So it makes all the more sense why God's SWORD would not drink the wine and re frame from it because of what it symbolizes. My sister you are on fire! I love what your eyes see, for mine see also and it excites me. I came across Romans 13:1-5 today that jumped out at me about the Sword. I will post it when I get home. You'll appreciate what God is saying to us to help us understand this time coming. LOL In Christ's precious nameVickie
LOL notice the date on this post Sep 15 2007 I been waiting for you sister
 

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On a little side note ...We can also relate this to Esau who married Ishmaels daughter .. They became the Edomites.. ..who were later scattered some going back to Ishmael's land and some traveling North into Todays Russia ... The word Edom ..means Red (as in Red square Russia has been associated with being the Red nation /also the Bear) .. so we see a blood conection between Russia and the Arabs ... So is it any suprise we see them today forming stronger ties with each other...