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lesjude

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It is my observation that the church has no faith because they are doing what is right in their own sight just as they did in the book of Judges which is LAWLESSNESS i.e. antinomianism. Grace does not give Christians freedom from obedience. They may have Jesus as savior but not Lord/King. He will answer those who are lawless by the idols in their hearts, give them what they want, and tell them what they want to hear Ezekiel 14:1-4. It often is a disaster. Judges 20:1-48

The second reason, at least in the US, is rebellious attitudes. Americans are under a principality of rebellion as this is the foundation of the nation i.e. the American Revolution. If you read Matthew 8:5-13 you will see why a respect and understanding of authority is important to having/exercising faith.

The third reason is most in the west have the Greek/Roman mind set which means they need evidence/proof before they believe much of anything. This is EXACTLY the opposite of Bible faith Hebrews 11:1. This is manifested in the fact that most need evidence from "creation science" to believe Biblical creation. It is one of the first things Christians are to believe with NO sense evidence based on God's word alone Hebrews 11:1-3. They prove their lack of Bible faith by being defensive, suing school systems, and generally getting ugly with groups or institutions who advocate evilution.

There is much more wrong with this Greek/Roman mindset as well, including the pervasive belief among Christians in humanism. They make God just as the Greeks did, in their image and reasoned understanding. They believe that majority rule is the way God wants His church run instead of led by the Holy Spirit who is NOT a democrat or democratic. They believe democracy is God's government when He is an absolute monarch. Democracy and rights are the cornerstone of humanism. Belief in humanism removes faith in God's sovereign control using believing prayer and intercession from His saints which is their duty and honor as citizens of His kingdom.

Legalism is also a reason for no faith. Here is how Jesus defines legalism:



Matthew 15:6-9
New King James Version (NKJV)

6 then he need not honor his father or mother.’ Thus you have made the commandment[b] of God of no effect by your tradition. 7 Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying:
8 ‘These people draw near to Me with their mouth,
And[c] honor Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
 

IAmAWitness

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I believe we are bound to obey the commandments, but I am not a legalist. I will ask Christians how they decided which rules to follow and which not to follow. What is your objective rule? They don't have one, is what it comes down to.
 

afaithfulone4u

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lesjude said:
It is my observation that the church has no faith because they are doing what is right in their own sight just as they did in the book of Judges which is LAWLESSNESS i.e. antinomianism. Grace does not give Christians freedom from obedience. They may have Jesus as savior but not Lord/King. He will answer those who are lawless by the idols in their hearts, give them what they want, and tell them what they want to hear Ezekiel 14:1-4. It often is a disaster. Judges 20:1-48

The second reason, at least in the US, is rebellious attitudes. Americans are under a principality of rebellion as this is the foundation of the nation i.e. the American Revolution. If you read Matthew 8:5-13 you will see why a respect and understanding of authority is important to having/exercising faith.

The third reason is most in the west have the Greek/Roman mind set which means they need evidence/proof before they believe much of anything. This is EXACTLY the opposite of Bible faith Hebrews 11:1. This is manifested in the fact that most need evidence from "creation science" to believe Biblical creation. It is one of the first things Christians are to believe with NO sense evidence based on God's word alone Hebrews 11:1-3. They prove their lack of Bible faith by being defensive, suing school systems, and generally getting ugly with groups or institutions who advocate evilution.

There is much more wrong with this Greek/Roman mindset as well, including the pervasive belief among Christians in humanism. They make God just as the Greeks did, in their image and reasoned understanding. They believe that majority rule is the way God wants His church run instead of led by the Holy Spirit who is NOT a democrat or democratic. They believe democracy is God's government when He is an absolute monarch. Democracy and rights are the cornerstone of humanism. Belief in humanism removes faith in God's sovereign control using believing prayer and intercession from His saints which is their duty and honor as citizens of His kingdom.

Legalism is also a reason for no faith. Here is how Jesus defines legalism:

Matthew 15:6-9
New King James Version (NKJV)

6 then he need not honor his father or mother.’ Thus you have made the commandment[b] of God of no effect by your tradition. 7 Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying:
8 ‘These people draw near to Me with their mouth,
And[c] honor Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
Amen brother! Truth has been twisted they call the good bad and the bad good. Ungoldy man calls love, to allow everyone to live and let live no matter their preference as long as it makes them happy. When in fact the love of God is His Word aka Christ that gives us boundries out of love for us, because outside those boundries are misery, death, chaos, darkness. Our Creator wrote the Book of what is good for His man.. but those who do not find joy and peace in the Word of God call it laws and try to do away with them these are what are called anti-christ meaning they oppose the Word of God for their own understanding and desires.
Matt 22:37-40
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
KJV

Do unto others as you want them to RETURN to you for we shall all reap what we sow. It is not carma as some may call it... It is a key to the kingdom of God for it is a spiritual law of God's and all are effected by it in their life rather they acknowledge God or not.
Do you want others to:
Lie to you?
Cheat you?
Steal from you?
Covet your belongings?
Take your spouse?
Then don't do these things to them.


Also when we take someone to court instead of handing it over to God, we are seeking vengance by our own hands and with the help of the ungodly. We are not to return evil for evil for if we do as they do, we are the same as they are.
Keep up the great work for the Lord lesjude
 
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IanLC

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lesjude, I agree with you on every point! People that have been ordained from the very pits of Hell are trying to creep in and wiggle their way into the Church and pervert the purity of the Faith. God will not allow it on the universal level for He said the gates of Hell shall not prevail against His church (Matthew 16:18). Yet on individual levels we can allow Hell and its demonic influences to influence which means to flow into us. We are to hold onto HOLINESS and walk in the LIGHT of Jesus Christ!
 
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Rach1370

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Personally, I think people get stuck on the whole "law/freedom from law" issue too much...and therefore miss the big picture entirely.

Did the gospel of grace free us from the Mosaic Law? Yes, but that doesn't free us to be lawless. In fact if we go on to be completely lawless, we are missing so much of what Christ came for.

What I mean is this. There are a few things we can be sure on, thanks to scripture.

One: God is for his own glory. This is incredibly good news for us, because

Two: God is most glorified by us when we praise and enjoy him...when we are redeemed and are saved by him, and give him all acknowledgement of this salvation.

Three: that in following the "commands" of scripture laid out for us...both in the 10 commandments and those given in the NT (please note that these 'laws' have nothing to do with ritual cleansing...that is no longer needed thanks to our all spotless lamb. No, these 'laws' are of the 'moral' persuasion) we are actually drawing closer to God and that increases our joy.

Basically when we put the picture together we get this...God does not want us white knuckling it through life trying to follow the rules out of obligation or need. God is after his own glory...and he gets the most glory when we, as his saved children, become closer to him and enjoy him. The 'rules' in scripture are not a 'to do' list to obtain or keep our salvation...it's our loving Father telling us how we can have the most joy, and him the most glory. That puts a really new light on the "do's and don'ts" in scripture.