Things we may not have understood are the Mighty Works of God?

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These are just a small list of the works of our Soveriegn God. Each of these have scriptures to back them up but they are to numerous to type them all. I will be adding some others lists of the Works of our God. If you would like me to list some supporting scriptures to any of these Acts, I will be watching this topic for a day or so and will give you some supporting verses to give confirmation.
I have tried to enlighten as to all of the what we call NATURAL disasters we see happening being judgments or acts of God and this partial list will maybe give more light to this fact.
We are not to stand in fear with the ungodly Unless we have fallen away in our faith, for these birth pains that are written in the Bible such as floods,famine, earthquakes etc...are not for the faithful to fear, they are for those outside God's protection, who do not walk by faith in God's promises under the new covenant, but by sight.

WORKS OF GOD
Chapter 3 GOD'S PROVIDENCE IN NATURE.

3 14. God Owns All Things.
3 15. Causes Eclipses and Darkness.
3 16. Sets Mountains on Fire and Melts Them.
3 17. Causes Earthquakes.
3 18. Causes Lightning and Thunder.
3 19. Causes Winds, Storms, and Hail.
3 20. Sends Rain and Dew.
3 21. Controls Waters and Floods.
3 22. Controls Drought and Famine.
3 23. Sends and Directs Noxious Animals.
Main Entry:nox*ious
Pronunciation:*n*k-sh*s
Function:adjective
: harmful especially to health or morals


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WORKS OF GOD
Chapter 5 GOD'S PROVIDENCE IN MAN'S TEMPORAL AFFAIRS.

3 30. In General.
3 31. God Overrules Human Designs.
3 32. Human Endeavours Vain without God.
3 33. Resistance Useless.
3 34. God gives Bad Rulers and Laws.
3 35. Stirs up Adversaries.
3 36. Inclines the Hearts of Men toward His Servants.
3 37. Supplies Temporal Wants.
3 38. Sends Good and Evil to Good and Bad alike.
3 39. Sends Changes of Forturne.
3 40. Gives Prosperity and Protection.
3 41. Sends Adversity.
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Alanforchrist

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afaithfulone4u said:
These are just a small list of the works of our Soveriegn God. Each of these have scriptures to back them up but they are to numerous to type them all. I will be adding some others lists of the Works of our God. If you would like me to list some supporting scriptures to any of these Acts, I will be watching this topic for a day or so and will give you some supporting verses to give confirmation.
I have tried to enlighten as to all of the what we call NATURAL disasters we see happening being judgments or acts of God and this partial list will maybe give more light to this fact.
We are not to stand in fear with the ungodly Unless we have fallen away in our faith, for these birth pains that are written in the Bible such as floods,famine, earthquakes etc...are not for the faithful to fear, they are for those outside God's protection, who do not walk by faith in God's promises under the new covenant, but by sight.

WORKS OF GOD
Chapter 3 GOD'S PROVIDENCE IN NATURE.

3 14. God Owns All Things.
3 15. Causes Eclipses and Darkness.
3 16. Sets Mountains on Fire and Melts Them.
3 17. Causes Earthquakes.
3 18. Causes Lightning and Thunder.
3 19. Causes Winds, Storms, and Hail.
3 20. Sends Rain and Dew.
3 21. Controls Waters and Floods.
3 22. Controls Drought and Famine.
3 23. Sends and Directs Noxious Animals.
Main Entry:nox*ious
Pronunciation:*n*k-sh*s
Function:adjective
: harmful especially to health or morals


Copied from:
Complete Topical Analysis of the Holy Bible, Electronic Database Copyright (c)2002 by Noah Publications - Ashville, NC


WORKS OF GOD
Chapter 5 GOD'S PROVIDENCE IN MAN'S TEMPORAL AFFAIRS.

3 30. In General.
3 31. God Overrules Human Designs.
3 32. Human Endeavours Vain without God.
3 33. Resistance Useless.
3 34. God gives Bad Rulers and Laws.
3 35. Stirs up Adversaries.
3 36. Inclines the Hearts of Men toward His Servants.
3 37. Supplies Temporal Wants.
3 38. Sends Good and Evil to Good and Bad alike.
3 39. Sends Changes of Forturne.
3 40. Gives Prosperity and Protection.
3 41. Sends Adversity.
Copied from the:
Complete Topical Analysis of the Holy Bible, Electronic Database Copyright (c)2002 by Noah Publications - Ashville, NC

But of cause you don't believe those lies..DO YOU??.
 

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There are always going to be natural calamities to continually alert folk to their current plight of sin and death. We live in a world, galaxy, universe of decay and entropy. It is a reminder to us of our mortality, and for me, that has worked to realize my sin and mortality from which I can escape by repenting and being born from above. Thank God for calamities!
 

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Alanforchrist said:
But of cause you don't believe those lies..DO YOU??.
YES I do, because the Bible confirms them. Did you need proof from scripture of any of these act? I can provide them, all you need do is ask.
Do you believe the Bible to be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth? I Do!!

whitestone said:
There are always going to be natural calamities to continually alert folk to their current plight of sin and death. We live in a world, galaxy, universe of decay and entropy. It is a reminder to us of our mortality, and for me, that has worked to realize my sin and mortality from which I can escape by repenting and being born from above. Thank God for calamities!
Yes thank God for them our trials and testings.
God is the one who brings the sword, pestilences, earthquakes, sunames, flood, fire, volcano's etc... Every act that we read in Rev. for instance, is done by God's commands. These angels, good or bad work for God and have been kept for a time that God has chosen to do the works of God.
We may say in truth, that they are done by the Hand of God for Jesus is the Hand of God for He is the Word that God does and creates all things with and by.

Most think that God is looking into the future when it comes to prophecy in the Bible.... but it is not a matter of God seeing the future, but a matter that God wrote the Book and what His Word says, HE shall BRING it to pass, for His Word does not return void.

Men fight and concern themselves with petty arguements and others affairs as busy bodies causing slander, hatred, destroying lives families and countries because they have too much time on their hands and they covet others things, and out of jealousy do they do these things. LET a disaster(Mighty Work of God) and they return to the loving, caring, giving, sharing, helping individuals that they were created to be. It not only forces men to call upon God, but it reveals the hearts of men so that God can see who is a goat and who is a sheep.
blessings
 

Alanforchrist

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whitestone said:
There are always going to be natural calamities to continually alert folk to their current plight of sin and death. We live in a world, galaxy, universe of decay and entropy. It is a reminder to us of our mortality, and for me, that has worked to realize my sin and mortality from which I can escape by repenting and being born from above. Thank God for calamities!

God has given the Holy Spirit to convict people of sin,..NOT CALAMITIES.

afaithfulone4u said:
YES I do, because the Bible confirms them. Did you need proof from scripture of any of these act? I can provide them, all you need do is ask.
Do you believe the Bible to be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth? I Do!!



Yes thank God for them our trials and testings.
God is the one who brings the sword, pestilences, earthquakes, sunames, flood, fire, volcano's etc... Every act that we read in Rev. for instance, is done by God's commands. These angels, good or bad work for God and have been kept for a time that God has chosen to do the works of God.
We may say in truth, that they are done by the Hand of God for Jesus is the Hand of God for He is the Word that God does and creates all things with and by.

Most think that God is looking into the future when it comes to prophecy in the Bible.... but it is not a matter of God seeing the future, but a matter that God wrote the Book and what His Word says, HE shall BRING it to pass, for His Word does not return void.

Men fight and concern themselves with petty arguements and others affairs as busy bodies causing slander, hatred, destroying lives families and countries because they have too much time on their hands and they covet others things, and out of jealousy do they do these things. LET a disaster(Mighty Work of God) and they return to the loving, caring, giving, sharing, helping individuals that they were created to be. It not only forces men to call upon God, but it reveals the hearts of men so that God can see who is a goat and who is a sheep.
blessings
Only Biblical ignorant people say that God causes bad things to happen.

Your god [Small G] is an evil god.
My God, Is the God of the Bible, And anyone who knows the Bible, Knows God is love and wants to bless us, Not harm us.
 

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Alanforchrist said:
God has given the Holy Spirit to convict people of sin,..NOT CALAMITIES.

Only Biblical ignorant people say that God causes bad things to happen.

Your god [Small G] is an evil god.
My God, Is the God of the Bible, And anyone who knows the Bible, Knows God is love and wants to bless us, Not harm us.
My God is Jesus Christ. You are a blasphemer sir. You are also bitter and evil with no clue of scriptural truth OR of the working of the Holy Spirit. Another servant of satan to put on my ignore list.
 

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Alanforchrist said:
God has given the Holy Spirit to convict people of sin,..NOT CALAMITIES.


Only Biblical ignorant people say that God causes bad things to happen.

Your god [Small G] is an evil god.
My God, Is the God of the Bible, And anyone who knows the Bible, Knows God is love and wants to bless us, Not harm us.
God is Soveriegn of His earth and as Creator of it He has the right and the ability to change the land masses, the water ways, to withhold the rain, block the sun, bring down the hail, mulitply the animals to drive people out of a land, bring a war/sword to a people.
You are right! God IS love and He hates sin and WILL destroy those who continually harm others and His earth, out of true love. Peace is the goal.

Man's definition of love is not the same as God's. To obey God's Word keeps us from harm now and down the road and He is not moved by rather you like His Word or not, He is concerned about what is BEST for us, not that it may hurt our feelings but bring destruction in the end. Man only tries to win brownie points and keep our child HAPPY with their false idea of what love is, false love tells them only what they want to hear, not considering that they don't know what is good for them, just as long as they like us.
God does want to bless us ABSOLUTELY.... However He, can not & will not, bless sin or then He would be condoning sin which He knows the end is DEATH. The love of God is His Word rather you believe it or not.
You do not seem to have a fear of God, you are only seeking to hear the smooth things to tickle ears. FEAR GOD! For He is no mamby pamby god, He is Almighty God. And He has the "Whole Earth in His Hand"
His Son, who is the Hand of God, came to save those who have had enough of this sinful way of NO LOVE LIFE and repent of their foul ways, willing to follow him and renew their mind allowing the Word to wash away their sinful self centered fleshly nature so that they can be made in the image of God which is Love, The Word is Love and the Word is God.
Can I ask, Why do you give credit to the devil to be able to be Sovereign over God's earth without God's knowledge? Are you claiming that Satan is more powerful than God?
Here is some scriptures to PROVE that earthquakes are of God:
Job 9:5-6
5 Which removeth the mountains, and they know not: which overturneth them in his anger.
6 Which shaketh the earth out of her place, and the pillars thereof tremble.
KJV
Job 28:9
9 He putteth forth his hand upon the rock; he overturneth the mountains by the roots.
KJV
Ps 18:7-8
7 Then the earth shook and trembled; the foundations also of the hills moved and were shaken, because he was wroth.
8 There went up a smoke out of his nostrils, and fire out of his mouth devoured: coals were kindled by it.
KJV
Isa 13:13
13 Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the LORD of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger.
KJV
Isa 29:6
6 Thou shalt be visited of the LORD of hosts with thunder, and with earthquake, and great noise, with storm and tempest, and the flame of devouring fire.
KJV
Jer 4:24-26
24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.
25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.
26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.
KJV
Ezek 38:20-21
20 So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground.
21 And I will call for a sword(WAR) against him throughout all my mountains(HIGH PLACES OF RULE), saith the Lord GOD: every man's sword shall be against his brother.
KJV
Luke 21:11
11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.
KJV

Blessings


Here are a few more verses for you to chew on, they even though they are self explanitory and we don't need our spiritual eyes or ears here, are strong meat to chew for those who still only accept the milk saying "Jesus loves me this I know", but they do not really know God at all:
Mal 3:6-7
6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
7 Even from the days of your fathers ye are gone away from mine ordinances, and have not kept them. Return unto me, and I will return unto you, saith the LORD of hosts. But ye said, Wherein shall we return?
KJV

Ex 23:28
28 And I will send hornets before thee, which shall drive out the Hivite, the Canaanite, and the Hittite, from before thee.
KJV
Lev 26:21
21 And if ye walk contrary unto me, and will not hearken unto me; I will bring seven times more plagues upon you according to your sins.
KJV
Lev 26:22-24
22 I will also send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of your children, and destroy your cattle, and make you few in number; and your highways shall be desolate.
23 And if ye will not be reformed by me by these things, but will walk contrary unto me;
24 Then will I also walk contrary unto you, and will punish you yet seven times for your sins.
KJV
Josh 24:12
12 And I sent the hornet before you, which drave them out from before you, even the two kings of the Amorites; but not with thy sword, nor with thy bow.
KJV
Job 5:23
23 For thou shalt be in league with the stones of the field: and the beasts of the field shall be at peace with thee.
KJV
Jer 5:6
6 Wherefore a lion out of the forest shall slay them, and a wolf of the evenings shall spoil them, a leopard shall watch over their cities: every one that goeth out thence shall be torn in pieces: because their transgressions are many, and their backslidings are increased.
KJV
Hos 2:18
18 And in that day will I make a covenant for them with the beasts of the field, and with the fowls of heaven, and with the creeping things of the ground: and I will break the bow and the sword and the battle out of the earth, and will make them to lie down safely.
KJV
Joel 2:25-27
25 And I will restore to you the years that the locust hath eaten, the cankerworm, and the caterpiller, and the palmerworm, my great army which I sent among you.
26 And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of the LORD your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my people shall never be ashamed.
27 And ye shall know that I am in the midst of Israel, and that I am the LORD your God, and none else: and my people shall never be ashamed.
KJV
Amos 4:9-10
9 I have smitten you with blasting and mildew: when your gardens and your vineyards and your fig trees and your olive trees increased, the palmerworm devoured them: yet have ye not returned unto me, saith the LORD.
10 I have sent among you the pestilence after the manner of Egypt: your young men have I slain with the sword, and have taken away your horses; and I have made the stink of your camps to come up unto your nostrils: yet have ye not returned unto me, saith the LORD.
KJV
Job 1:16
16 While he was yet speaking, there came also another, and said, The fire of God is fallen from heaven, and hath burned up the sheep, and the servants, and consumed them; and I only am escaped alone to tell thee.
KJV
2 Sam 22:15-16
15 And he sent out arrows, and scattered them; lightning, and discomfited them.
16 And the channels of the sea appeared, the foundations of the world were discovered, at the rebuking of the LORD, at the blast of the breath of his nostrils.
KJV
Ps 18:12-14
12 At the brightness that was before him his thick clouds passed, hail stones and coals of fire.
13 The LORD also thundered in the heavens, and the Highest gave his voice; hail stones and coals of fire.
14 Yea, he sent out his arrows, and scattered them; and he shot out lightnings, and discomfited them.
KJV
2 Chron 6:26
26 When the heaven is shut up, and there is no rain, because they have sinned against thee; yet if they pray toward this place, and confess thy name, and turn from their sin, when thou dost afflict them;
KJV
1 Kings 8:35-36
35 When heaven is shut up, and there is no rain, because they have sinned against thee; if they pray toward this place, and confess thy name, and turn from their sin, when thou afflictest them:
36 Then hear thou in heaven, and forgive the sin of thy servants, and of thy people Israel, that thou teach them the good way wherein they should walk, and give rain upon thy land, which thou hast given to thy people for an inheritance.
KJV
1 Kings 18:1
18:1 And it came to pass after many days, that the word of the LORD came to Elijah in the third year, saying, Go, shew thyself unto Ahab; and I will send rain upon the earth.
KJV
Jer 14:22
22 Are there any among the vanities of the Gentiles that can cause rain? or can the heavens give showers? art not thou he, O LORD our God? therefore we will wait upon thee: for thou hast made all these things.
KJV
Ezek 34:26
26 And I will make them and the places round about my hill a blessing; and I will cause the shower to come down in his season; there shall be showers of blessing.
KJV
Lev 26:18-19
18 And if ye will not yet for all this hearken unto me, then I will punish you seven times more for your sins.
19 And I will break the pride of your power; and I will make your heaven as iron, and your earth as brass:
KJV
Deut 28:23-25
23 And thy heaven that is over thy head shall be brass, and the earth that is under thee shall be iron.
24 The LORD shall make the rain of thy land powder and dust: from heaven shall it come down upon thee, until thou be destroyed.
25 The LORD shall cause thee to be smitten before thine enemies: thou shalt go out one way against them, and flee seven ways before them: and shalt be removed into all the kingdoms of the earth.
KJV
Job 5:22
22 At destruction and famine thou shalt laugh: neither shalt thou be afraid of the beasts of the earth.
KJV
Ps 107:33-40
33 He turneth rivers into a wilderness, and the watersprings into dry ground;
34 A fruitful land into barrenness, for the wickedness of them that dwell therein.
35 He turneth the wilderness into a standing water, and dry ground into watersprings.
36 And there he maketh the hungry to dwell, that they may prepare a city for habitation;
37 And sow the fields, and plant vineyards, which may yield fruits of increase.
38 He blesseth them also, so that they are multiplied greatly; and suffereth not their cattle to decrease.
39 Again, they are minished and brought low through oppression, affliction, and sorrow.
40 He poureth contempt upon princes, and causeth them to wander in the wilderness, where there is no way.
KJV
 

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whitestone said:
My God is Jesus Christ. You are a blasphemer sir. You are also bitter and evil with no clue of scriptural truth OR of the working of the Holy Spirit. Another servant of satan to put on my ignore list.

Your god isn't Jesus Christ, Grace and truth came by Jesus, NOT calamities and sufferings.
You say Jesus is your Lord, But you don't believe Him or what the BIble says.

afaithfulone4u said:
God is Soveriegn of His earth and as Creator of it He has the right and the ability to change the land masses, the water ways, to withhold the rain, block the sun, bring down the hail, mulitply the animals to drive people out of a land, bring a war/sword to a people.
You are right! God IS love and He hates sin and WILL destroy those who continually harm others and His earth, out of true love. Peace is the goal.

Man's definition of love is not the same as God's. To obey God's Word keeps us from harm now and down the road and He is not moved by rather you like His Word or not, He is concerned about what is BEST for us, not that it may hurt our feelings but bring destruction in the end. Man only tries to win brownie points and keep our child HAPPY with their false idea of what love is, false love tells them only what they want to hear, not considering that they don't know what is good for them, just as long as they like us.
God does want to bless us ABSOLUTELY.... However He, can not & will not, bless sin or then He would be condoning sin which He knows the end is DEATH. The love of God is His Word rather you believe it or not.
You do not seem to have a fear of God, you are only seeking to hear the smooth things to tickle ears. FEAR GOD! For He is no mamby pamby god, He is Almighty God. And He has the "Whole Earth in His Hand"
His Son, who is the Hand of God, came to save those who have had enough of this sinful way of NO LOVE LIFE and repent of their foul ways, willing to follow him and renew their mind allowing the Word to wash away their sinful self centered fleshly nature so that they can be made in the image of God which is Love, The Word is Love and the Word is God.
Can I ask, Why do you give credit to the devil to be able to be Sovereign over God's earth without God's knowledge? Are you claiming that Satan is more powerful than God?
Here is some scriptures to PROVE that earthquakes are of God:
Job 9:5-6
5 Which removeth the mountains, and they know not: which overturneth them in his anger.
6 Which shaketh the earth out of her place, and the pillars thereof tremble.
KJV
Job 28:9
9 He putteth forth his hand upon the rock; he overturneth the mountains by the roots.
KJV
Ps 18:7-8
7 Then the earth shook and trembled; the foundations also of the hills moved and were shaken, because he was wroth.
8 There went up a smoke out of his nostrils, and fire out of his mouth devoured: coals were kindled by it.
KJV
Isa 13:13
13 Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the LORD of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger.
KJV
Isa 29:6
6 Thou shalt be visited of the LORD of hosts with thunder, and with earthquake, and great noise, with storm and tempest, and the flame of devouring fire.
KJV
Jer 4:24-26
24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.
25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.
26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.
KJV
Ezek 38:20-21
20 So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground.
21 And I will call for a sword(WAR) against him throughout all my mountains(HIGH PLACES OF RULE), saith the Lord GOD: every man's sword shall be against his brother.
KJV
Luke 21:11
11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.
KJV

Blessings


Here are a few more verses for you to chew on, they even though they are self explanitory and we don't need our spiritual eyes or ears here, are strong meat to chew for those who still only accept the milk saying "Jesus loves me this I know", but they do not really know God at all:
Mal 3:6-7
6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
7 Even from the days of your fathers ye are gone away from mine ordinances, and have not kept them. Return unto me, and I will return unto you, saith the LORD of hosts. But ye said, Wherein shall we return?
KJV

Ex 23:28
28 And I will send hornets before thee, which shall drive out the Hivite, the Canaanite, and the Hittite, from before thee.
KJV
Lev 26:21
21 And if ye walk contrary unto me, and will not hearken unto me; I will bring seven times more plagues upon you according to your sins.
KJV
Lev 26:22-24
22 I will also send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of your children, and destroy your cattle, and make you few in number; and your highways shall be desolate.
23 And if ye will not be reformed by me by these things, but will walk contrary unto me;
24 Then will I also walk contrary unto you, and will punish you yet seven times for your sins.
KJV
Josh 24:12
12 And I sent the hornet before you, which drave them out from before you, even the two kings of the Amorites; but not with thy sword, nor with thy bow.
KJV
Job 5:23
23 For thou shalt be in league with the stones of the field: and the beasts of the field shall be at peace with thee.
KJV
Jer 5:6
6 Wherefore a lion out of the forest shall slay them, and a wolf of the evenings shall spoil them, a leopard shall watch over their cities: every one that goeth out thence shall be torn in pieces: because their transgressions are many, and their backslidings are increased.
KJV
Hos 2:18
18 And in that day will I make a covenant for them with the beasts of the field, and with the fowls of heaven, and with the creeping things of the ground: and I will break the bow and the sword and the battle out of the earth, and will make them to lie down safely.
KJV
Joel 2:25-27
25 And I will restore to you the years that the locust hath eaten, the cankerworm, and the caterpiller, and the palmerworm, my great army which I sent among you.
26 And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of the LORD your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my people shall never be ashamed.
27 And ye shall know that I am in the midst of Israel, and that I am the LORD your God, and none else: and my people shall never be ashamed.
KJV
Amos 4:9-10
9 I have smitten you with blasting and mildew: when your gardens and your vineyards and your fig trees and your olive trees increased, the palmerworm devoured them: yet have ye not returned unto me, saith the LORD.
10 I have sent among you the pestilence after the manner of Egypt: your young men have I slain with the sword, and have taken away your horses; and I have made the stink of your camps to come up unto your nostrils: yet have ye not returned unto me, saith the LORD.
KJV
Job 1:16
16 While he was yet speaking, there came also another, and said, The fire of God is fallen from heaven, and hath burned up the sheep, and the servants, and consumed them; and I only am escaped alone to tell thee.
KJV
2 Sam 22:15-16
15 And he sent out arrows, and scattered them; lightning, and discomfited them.
16 And the channels of the sea appeared, the foundations of the world were discovered, at the rebuking of the LORD, at the blast of the breath of his nostrils.
KJV
Ps 18:12-14
12 At the brightness that was before him his thick clouds passed, hail stones and coals of fire.
13 The LORD also thundered in the heavens, and the Highest gave his voice; hail stones and coals of fire.
14 Yea, he sent out his arrows, and scattered them; and he shot out lightnings, and discomfited them.
KJV
2 Chron 6:26
26 When the heaven is shut up, and there is no rain, because they have sinned against thee; yet if they pray toward this place, and confess thy name, and turn from their sin, when thou dost afflict them;
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1 Kings 8:35-36
35 When heaven is shut up, and there is no rain, because they have sinned against thee; if they pray toward this place, and confess thy name, and turn from their sin, when thou afflictest them:
36 Then hear thou in heaven, and forgive the sin of thy servants, and of thy people Israel, that thou teach them the good way wherein they should walk, and give rain upon thy land, which thou hast given to thy people for an inheritance.
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1 Kings 18:1
18:1 And it came to pass after many days, that the word of the LORD came to Elijah in the third year, saying, Go, shew thyself unto Ahab; and I will send rain upon the earth.
KJV
Jer 14:22
22 Are there any among the vanities of the Gentiles that can cause rain? or can the heavens give showers? art not thou he, O LORD our God? therefore we will wait upon thee: for thou hast made all these things.
KJV
Ezek 34:26
26 And I will make them and the places round about my hill a blessing; and I will cause the shower to come down in his season; there shall be showers of blessing.
KJV
Lev 26:18-19
18 And if ye will not yet for all this hearken unto me, then I will punish you seven times more for your sins.
19 And I will break the pride of your power; and I will make your heaven as iron, and your earth as brass:
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Deut 28:23-25
23 And thy heaven that is over thy head shall be brass, and the earth that is under thee shall be iron.
24 The LORD shall make the rain of thy land powder and dust: from heaven shall it come down upon thee, until thou be destroyed.
25 The LORD shall cause thee to be smitten before thine enemies: thou shalt go out one way against them, and flee seven ways before them: and shalt be removed into all the kingdoms of the earth.
KJV
Job 5:22
22 At destruction and famine thou shalt laugh: neither shalt thou be afraid of the beasts of the earth.
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Ps 107:33-40
33 He turneth rivers into a wilderness, and the watersprings into dry ground;
34 A fruitful land into barrenness, for the wickedness of them that dwell therein.
35 He turneth the wilderness into a standing water, and dry ground into watersprings.
36 And there he maketh the hungry to dwell, that they may prepare a city for habitation;
37 And sow the fields, and plant vineyards, which may yield fruits of increase.
38 He blesseth them also, so that they are multiplied greatly; and suffereth not their cattle to decrease.
39 Again, they are minished and brought low through oppression, affliction, and sorrow.
40 He poureth contempt upon princes, and causeth them to wander in the wilderness, where there is no way.
KJV

You obviously either don't know the Bible, Or you don't believe it, Because it says the devil is the god of this world..NOT GOD.

To understand the Bible, You need to know who is doing the talking, You need to know when it's God talking, When it's a Biblical character doin the talking or when it's the translater wrongly translating the scriptures.
You also need to know the Hebrew, And the fact that there is no causitive in the language, So the translater have mislead us on a lot of scriptures.

We are liveing in New Testament times now...INCASE YOU DIDN'T KNOW, And Jesus came to show us a loving God, He came to give us ABUNDANT LIFE....Not a miserable one.
All God's judgments a reserved for the after the Church age...The coming great tribulation and the judgment day.
We are in the day and age of grace now..Not wrath.
 

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Alanforchrist said:
Your god isn't Jesus Christ, Grace and truth came by Jesus, NOT calamities and sufferings.
You say Jesus is your Lord, But you don't believe Him or what the BIble says.




You obviously either don't know the Bible, Or you don't believe it, Because it says the devil is the god of this world..NOT GOD.

To understand the Bible, You need to know who is doing the talking, You need to know when it's God talking, When it's a Biblical character doin the talking or when it's the translater wrongly translating the scriptures.
You also need to know the Hebrew, And the fact that there is no causitive in the language, So the translater have mislead us on a lot of scriptures.

We are liveing in New Testament times now...INCASE YOU DIDN'T KNOW, And Jesus came to show us a loving God, He came to give us ABUNDANT LIFE....Not a miserable one.
All God's judgments a reserved for the after the Church age...The coming great tribulation and the judgment day.
We are in the day and age of grace now..Not wrath.
Is see that you do not accept the Word I showed... do you know why people have their own thoughts of what God does? It is because they lean on their own understanding and not what His Word says. In other words, they oppose the Word and I will say no more... I will let you discover what that means.

Do you not understand that those who are not believers because the walk outside of CHRIST, THE WORD OF GOD, are living under the curse?
Christ died for ALL MEN, because he could only do it ONCE, but there is a stipulation to that: We must BELIEVE before we receive all that Christ died for!
You give Satan too much power!
Satan is a TEMPTOR and an Accuser, he is not God with free reign of the earth and he can do nothing without God's allowing it, Job shows us that!

And speaking of knowing who Jesus is talking to, when he said "the god of this world is Satan", he said that BEFORE he died and went into hell and was resurrected taking back the keys remember, for all authority has been given to Jesus now?
Matt 28:17-20
17 And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.
18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
KJV

And know this also, that when it says the god of this world, that it does not mean that the heaven and earth are his, but that he has most of the PEOPLE held captive to him listening to his worlds, following his way being of his seed due to THEIR SIN and that is the only way that he is god of this world. But Jesus died so that his body could cast out the demons in lost man and bring them into God's kindgom, for rather we live or die we belong to God and our living conditions will always be according to what we sow in life. Blessing or cursing, we choose how we want God to treat us, as dead or alive?

Trials and tribulations are for our growing in the Word to helps us shed our fleshly man of self centeredness, greed, killing, stealing, lying etc.. and all the things that you asked Jesus to come into you and clean you up doing a work in you as you keep in humbleness at his feet, and submissive to the Word as he keeps washing us and trying us as gold and silver.
Jesus asked if he would find faith when he returns? Faith is to believe in every Word that proceeds from the mouth of God as truth.
Do you take God at His Word to step out on it as Truth?
 

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afaithfulone4u said:
Is see that you do not accept the Word I showed... do you know why people have their own thoughts of what God does? It is because they lean on their own understanding and not what His Word says. In other words, they oppose the Word and I will say no more... I will let you discover what that means.

Do you not understand that those who are not believers because the walk outside of CHRIST, THE WORD OF GOD, are living under the curse?
Christ died for ALL MEN, because he could only do it ONCE, but there is a stipulation to that: We must BELIEVE before we receive all that Christ died for!
You give Satan too much power!
Satan is a TEMPTOR and an Accuser, he is not God with free reign of the earth and he can do nothing without God's allowing it, Job shows us that!

And speaking of knowing who Jesus is talking to, when he said "the god of this world is Satan", he said that BEFORE he died and went into hell and was resurrected taking back the keys remember, for all authority has been given to Jesus now?
Matt 28:17-20
17 And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.
18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
KJV

And know this also, that when it says the god of this world, that it does not mean that the heaven and earth are his, but that he has most of the PEOPLE held captive to him listening to his worlds, following his way being of his seed due to THEIR SIN and that is the only way that he is god of this world. But Jesus died so that his body could cast out the demons in lost man and bring them into God's kindgom, for rather we live or die we belong to God and our living conditions will always be according to what we sow in life. Blessing or cursing, we choose how we want God to treat us, as dead or alive?

Trials and tribulations are for our growing in the Word to helps us shed our fleshly man of self centeredness, greed, killing, stealing, lying etc.. and all the things that you asked Jesus to come into you and clean you up doing a work in you as you keep in humbleness at his feet, and submissive to the Word as he keeps washing us and trying us as gold and silver.
Jesus asked if he would find faith when he returns? Faith is to believe in every Word that proceeds from the mouth of God as truth.
Do you take God at His Word to step out on it as Truth?
There you go AGAIN, proving that your god is evil.
Unlike you, I don't interpret the scriptures, I let them interpret themselves, I just teach what they say.
I have to say to you the same thing that Jesus said when His disciples wanted to destroy some people,
"What spirit is guiding you"??.. Jesus said He didn't come to destory lives But to save.
 

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Alanforchrist said:
There you go AGAIN, proving that your god is evil.
Unlike you, I don't interpret the scriptures, I let them interpret themselves, I just teach what they say.
I have to say to you the same thing that Jesus said when His disciples wanted to destroy some people,
"What spirit is guiding you"??.. Jesus said He didn't come to destory lives But to save.
I don't know which religion you are of, but I read the Bible which is God's letter to us, His Will for our lives and all scripture is for our learning for that is how we learn of Him. When He sent His Word to become flesh to give us an example of it in bodily form we were shown how not to sin. God is love and to show Him love means to keep His commandments. It is ironic but He is the only one who has the right to destroy anyone or thing for He is Just and sees the things men do behind closed doors so His judgment are Just.
In Christ WE are to turn the other cheek, return no evil for evil, leave ALL VENGANCE of our enemies TO OUR GOD.
We are to remain blameless, to forgive, and to cause no man harm or loss.
You are blamspheming God when you call the Almighty Creator of heaven and earth EVIL.
Jesus did come to save souls and so glad that you brought that subject up.
Are you one of those who are in agreement of killing in war saying it is OK TO KILL for your country? I am not, for I am from a far country, the City of my God and I do not stand shoulder to shoulder with those who reject Christ to protect land that belongs to My Father already.
Jesus was tempted by the devil to get Jesus to bow to sin against God saying all these kingdoms have been given to me and they could be yours if you would just bow to me. Jesus knew that Satan had them by error, and that they were already his because he knew that his Father was God who owns it all.

God brings those of like minds together to fight to the death since they have willing hearts. They consider it an honor to kill for coveteousness sake, but God calls them vessels of dishonor. No peace can come from returning evil for evil and God is and will destroy those who destroy others.
2 Tim 2:20-21
20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour.
21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.
KJV


I do not wish anyone to be harmed... nor does God, each makes up their own mind and then comes the consequences of THEIR actions.

Rom 12:19-21
19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.
20 Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.
21 Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.
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Heb 10:29-31
29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
KJV
 

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Jumping in here, I have to side more with Alan on this one. Just because we can see God doing some of these things in scripture, do we then decide that every time a storm hits, or lightning strikes, or an earthquake happens, or it snows or rains or hails, that God was at the controls making it happen? Where does this idea come from?

We are in fact, in the age of grace. God sent His Son to die for the sins of the world. He was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself and is now pleading with it through His servants to respond and be reconciled (2Cor.5:19,20). He is presently showing great longsuffering toward the world, not willing that any should perish. There is no way, NO WAY, NO WAY, that God is judging sin on this earth. To do so at this time would be an insult to His Son for the judgment He placed upon His Son, for sin.

I was absolutely disgusted and even embaressed for God when certain preachers decided to let America know that the 911 attack was God's judgment. C'mon!!! In the first place there would have been a heck of a lot of collateral damage done, as many who died were our brothers and sisters. So God is guilty of friendly fire deaths? The same can be said of natural disasters. They do not play favorites. Apart from a few lucky souls who defeat the odds, many innocent lives are taken, including God's own children.
I shudder when I hear the interviews with the few who made it, thanking God that He spared them. How does this sit with the many who lost their loved ones, again, many of which are believers? What kind of God does this portray?

I seriously doubt that because of these remarks there are many who flock into the churches drawn to a 'loving' Heavenly Father..
We are told that the goodness of God leads us to repentance. Natural disasters happen because we are in a fallen world. People die every day. This is just a fact of our situation. God is not a control freak at the helm of every thing that takes place. He will intervene from time to time. He has the power and the authority and the soverign right......from time to time......occasionaly!

#%^# happens. (pardon the use) Get over it. We need to really think about what kind of God we believe in and what kind of God we reveal to the world. Most of them run away for a good reason. I can't blame them for having the sense to recognize that if there was a God, He would not be the kind of person that many say He is.
 

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williemac said:
Jumping in here, I have to side more with Alan on this one. Just because we can see God doing some of these things in scripture, do we then decide that every time a storm hits, or lightning strikes, or an earthquake happens, or it snows or rains or hails, that God was at the controls making it happen? Where does this idea come from?

We are in fact, in the age of grace. God sent His Son to die for the sins of the world. He was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself and is now pleading with it through His servants to respond and be reconciled (2Cor.5:19,20). He is presently showing great longsuffering toward the world, not willing that any should perish. There is no way, NO WAY, NO WAY, that God is judging sin on this earth. To do so at this time would be an insult to His Son for the judgment He placed upon His Son, for sin.

I was absolutely disgusted and even embaressed for God when certain preachers decided to let America know that the 911 attack was God's judgment. C'mon!!! In the first place there would have been a heck of a lot of collateral damage done, as many who died were our brothers and sisters. So God is guilty of friendly fire deaths? The same can be said of natural disasters. They do not play favorites. Apart from a few lucky souls who defeat the odds, many innocent lives are taken, including God's own children.
I shudder when I hear the interviews with the few who made it, thanking God that He spared them. How does this sit with the many who lost their loved ones, again, many of which are believers? What kind of God does this portray?

I seriously doubt that because of these remarks there are many who flock into the churches drawn to a 'loving' Heavenly Father..
We are told that the goodness of God leads us to repentance. Natural disasters happen because we are in a fallen world. People die every day. This is just a fact of our situation. God is not a control freak at the helm of every thing that takes place. He will intervene from time to time. He has the power and the authority and the soverign right......from time to time......occasionaly!

#%^# happens. (pardon the use) Get over it. We need to really think about what kind of God we believe in and what kind of God we reveal to the world. Most of them run away for a good reason. I can't blame them for having the sense to recognize that if there was a God, He would not be the kind of person that many say He is.
Have you considered that the earth is in her birth pains as God said would happen?
God is a loving God and He never changes, He hates sin because He knows what it does to us. His Word is the same yesterday, today and forever. God is trying to reconcile men unto Himself, but the Bible WARNS of the pending doom for those who reject Christ and so must I. None of the disciples only taught the smooth things for seducing ears. The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.
Repentance is not a result of us seducing the lost or buying them with trinkets to come to God. It is supposed to be us choosing to come to God because He is offering them a way to break free from the devil's grip being held captive to the weak flesh that keeps them living a life of sin that keeps their life a living hell that they are seeking.
I will stick to scripture and do know that much of the OT is about the NT.

Did you read where Jesus said not even a sparrow falls to the ground without God's knowledge? This tells me that He knows all and is in control. Did you ever read in Job that it is God who is in control of the water boundries, the earthquakes, holds the earth up with His Word and sets the stars, moon and sun and all of His creations is at His disposal for He is a Host of Armies?

How is it that you can just say that there is another who is mightier that God who can control these things without God's aproval? Are you saying that things happen because God can not sustain them? He seems to keep the stars, earth,sun and moon in tact, how is it that you find Him in capable of controlling all things? He has given man free will to choose His ways or the highways as a wanderer in the earth like He sent Cain packing. Death is walking contrary to God and Life is walking with God.
This is not God being evil this is God being Just. God says my people are destroyed for lack of knowledge, for they do not understand that God is serious, we reap exactly what we sow in life. God does not bring forth destruction on anyone who is walking in Christ led by the Spirit, but they will go through the testings and trials to the trying of our faith. If we were to stay in our sinful nature, the world will end up in the same darkness that it is in now. We must be cleansed in the Word according to the Spirit.
God numbers our days according to our walk, He destroys lands, raises up kings, brings kings down as we seen just last year in Egypt and the other lands who over threw there leaders. That is by the will of God. He is shaken the heavens that the earths, turning nations against their own nations. These are the mighty works of God. He is SOVERIEGN over all the earth, it is the free will beings that are out of hand yet they suffer for their rejection of God, for they have no protection when we walk contrary to Him.

Isa 38:1-5
38:1 In those days was Hezekiah sick unto death. And Isaiah the prophet the son of Amoz came unto him, and said unto him, Thus saith the LORD, Set thine house in order: for thou shalt die, and not live.
2 Then Hezekiah turned his face toward the wall, and prayed unto the LORD,
3 And said, Remember now, O LORD, I beseech thee, how I have walked before thee in truth and with a perfect heart, and have done that which is good in thy sight. And Hezekiah wept sore.
4 Then came the word of the LORD to Isaiah, saying,
5 Go, and say to Hezekiah, Thus saith the LORD, the God of David thy father, I have heard thy prayer, I have seen thy tears: behold, I will add unto thy days fifteen years.
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Rom 11:18-22
18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
KJV
Isa 13:6-9
6 Howl ye; for the day of the LORD is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty.
7 Therefore shall all hands be faint, and every man's heart shall melt:
8 And they shall be afraid: pangs and sorrows shall take hold of them; they shall be in pain as a woman that travaileth: they shall be amazed one at another; their faces shall be as flames.
9 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.
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Joel 2:1-3
2:1 Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand;
2 A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations.
3 A fire devoureth before them; and behind them a flame burneth: the land is as the garden of Eden before them, and behind them a desolate wilderness; yea, and nothing shall escape them.
KJV
 

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afaithfulone4u said:
I don't know which religion you are of, but I read the Bible which is God's letter to us, His Will for our lives and all scripture is for our learning for that is how we learn of Him. When He sent His Word to become flesh to give us an example of it in bodily form we were shown how not to sin. God is love and to show Him love means to keep His commandments. It is ironic but He is the only one who has the right to destroy anyone or thing for He is Just and sees the things men do behind closed doors so His judgment are Just.
In Christ WE are to turn the other cheek, return no evil for evil, leave ALL VENGANCE of our enemies TO OUR GOD.
We are to remain blameless, to forgive, and to cause no man harm or loss.
You are blamspheming God when you call the Almighty Creator of heaven and earth EVIL.
Jesus did come to save souls and so glad that you brought that subject up.
Are you one of those who are in agreement of killing in war saying it is OK TO KILL for your country? I am not, for I am from a far country, the City of my God and I do not stand shoulder to shoulder with those who reject Christ to protect land that belongs to My Father already.
Jesus was tempted by the devil to get Jesus to bow to sin against God saying all these kingdoms have been given to me and they could be yours if you would just bow to me. Jesus knew that Satan had them by error, and that they were already his because he knew that his Father was God who owns it all.

God brings those of like minds together to fight to the death since they have willing hearts. They consider it an honor to kill for coveteousness sake, but God calls them vessels of dishonor. No peace can come from returning evil for evil and God is and will destroy those who destroy others.
2 Tim 2:20-21
20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour.
21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.
KJV


I do not wish anyone to be harmed... nor does God, each makes up their own mind and then comes the consequences of THEIR actions.

Rom 12:19-21
19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.
20 Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.
21 Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.
KJV
Heb 10:29-31
29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
KJV

You might read the Bible, But you certainly mis-quote it.
It's you who is calling God evil, I said your god is evil, Because your God isn't, And cannot be ther God of the Bible.
Jesus is asking you.."What spirit is guiding you??".

Because it certalny isn't God's Spirit.
 

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afaithfulone4u said:
Have you considered that the earth is in her birth pains as God said would happen?
God is a loving God and He never changes, He hates sin because He knows what it does to us. His Word is the same yesterday, today and forever. God is trying to reconcile men unto Himself, but the Bible WARNS of the pending doom for those who reject Christ and so must I. None of the disciples only taught the smooth things for seducing ears. The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.
Repentance is not a result of us seducing the lost or buying them with trinkets to come to God. It is supposed to be us choosing to come to God because He is offering them a way to break free from the devil's grip being held captive to the weak flesh that keeps them living a life of sin that keeps their life a living hell that they are seeking.
I will stick to scripture and do know that much of the OT is about the NT.

Did you read where Jesus said not even a sparrow falls to the ground without God's knowledge? This tells me that He knows all and is in control. Did you ever read in Job that it is God who is in control of the water boundries, the earthquakes, holds the earth up with His Word and sets the stars, moon and sun and all of His creations is at His disposal for He is a Host of Armies?

How is it that you can just say that there is another who is mightier that God who can control these things without God's aproval? Are you saying that things happen because God can not sustain them? He seems to keep the stars, earth,sun and moon in tact, how is it that you find Him in capable of controlling all things? He has given man free will to choose His ways or the highways as a wanderer in the earth like He sent Cain packing. Death is walking contrary to God and Life is walking with God.
This is not God being evil this is God being Just. God says my people are destroyed for lack of knowledge, for they do not understand that God is serious, we reap exactly what we sow in life. God does not bring forth destruction on anyone who is walking in Christ led by the Spirit, but they will go through the testings and trials to the trying of our faith. If we were to stay in our sinful nature, the world will end up in the same darkness that it is in now. We must be cleansed in the Word according to the Spirit.
God numbers our days according to our walk, He destroys lands, raises up kings, brings kings down as we seen just last year in Egypt and the other lands who over threw there leaders. That is by the will of God. He is shaken the heavens that the earths, turning nations against their own nations. These are the mighty works of God. He is SOVERIEGN over all the earth, it is the free will beings that are out of hand yet they suffer for their rejection of God, for they have no protection when we walk contrary to Him.

Isa 38:1-5
38:1 In those days was Hezekiah sick unto death. And Isaiah the prophet the son of Amoz came unto him, and said unto him, Thus saith the LORD, Set thine house in order: for thou shalt die, and not live.
2 Then Hezekiah turned his face toward the wall, and prayed unto the LORD,
3 And said, Remember now, O LORD, I beseech thee, how I have walked before thee in truth and with a perfect heart, and have done that which is good in thy sight. And Hezekiah wept sore.
4 Then came the word of the LORD to Isaiah, saying,
5 Go, and say to Hezekiah, Thus saith the LORD, the God of David thy father, I have heard thy prayer, I have seen thy tears: behold, I will add unto thy days fifteen years.
KJV
Rom 11:18-22
18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
KJV
Isa 13:6-9
6 Howl ye; for the day of the LORD is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty.
7 Therefore shall all hands be faint, and every man's heart shall melt:
8 And they shall be afraid: pangs and sorrows shall take hold of them; they shall be in pain as a woman that travaileth: they shall be amazed one at another; their faces shall be as flames.
9 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.
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Joel 2:1-3
2:1 Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand;
2 A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations.
3 A fire devoureth before them; and behind them a flame burneth: the land is as the garden of Eden before them, and behind them a desolate wilderness; yea, and nothing shall escape them.
KJV
I thank you for referring to scripture to make your point, but I must question the conclusions that you have come to in regards to what it says. For example,,you quoted that not even a saprrow falls to the ground without God's knowledge of it. So let's think about what that means. A bird dies...God is aware of it. Now lets think of it the way you interpreted it...A bird dies...God caused it. Which one of those did Jesus say? If you think they mean the same thing, then we have no common ground. You are using a passage to prove what you have already concluded, obviously, because you are reading into it something that it doesn't even hint at. The awareness or knowledge of all things is not the equivalent of the control of all things. If you don't know or believe that, then I cannot help you.

Do you recall the laments of the bible? Jesus once said.." O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing." (Math.23:37).
How does that passage fit with your conclusion that God is in control of all things and all people? Do you suppose He is a puppet master and His creation His puppets? Do you suppose we are robots programmed to simply carry out all that He has ordained?
Just because you can state a few examples from scripture where God uses things to make a statement, or that He intervenes or manipulates a situation, I have already suggested that this does not mean that this is the rule of thumb in everything that takes place. The proof is that others can also make scriptural reference to the exact opposite of your conclusions.

The reality is that there is no rule of thumb, here. God is not a control freak. And furthermore, He in no way is judging sin in this age. Many things are simply about cause and effect. In fact, you have made reference to that fact, that the earth is in birth pangs. This, I agree with. But this does not mean that God is controlling all the events that come out of these birth pangs. It simply means that He is in charge and is fully aware of all that is taking place.

You are confusing authority with control. In fact, authority is only valid if control is not happening. God cannot say "thou shall not" if He is controlling a person's actions. It would be hypocritical. He has the right to judge. We agree on that. But if He was controlling a person's actions or nature, then His judgment would be invalid.

Enter the argument that there are vessels made for honor and others for dishonor. This cannot override the other passages such as the lament over Jerusalem. The bible does not contradict itself. The two concepts must coordinate somehow. And here is how: God had foreknowledge of all things. He understood the result of giving mankind the ability to make personal choices and respond individually to Him. He made allowances for this and made a plan to restore manikind through the re-creation of the species. He understood that through Adam's disobedience, that his offspring (the vessels) would either be for God or against God, or indifferent. Thus He has the right to deal with these vessels for His glory and purpose, making some for honor and some for dishonor....according to His foreknowledge.

All through scripture we see God interacting with man in all kinds of ways. In many cases He is revealing His authority, His power, and His Lordship. But He also is seen reasoning with man, revealing His Love, His compassion, His kindness, and His patience, if possible to convince us to respond to Him and trust Him. ( ie: 2Cor.5:19,20)

So I will reason with you. Please consider the opposing truths to your conclusions and accept that if there is any rule of thumb in His dealings with mankind, it is that there is NO rule of thumb. I suggest you quit trying to sell one to us and submit to all of the scripture, not just the favorite passages you are using to make your case.
 

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williemac said:
I thank you for referring to scripture to make your point, but I must question the conclusions that you have come to in regards to what it says. For example,,you quoted that not even a saprrow falls to the ground without God's knowledge of it. So let's think about what that means. A bird dies...God is aware of it. Now lets think of it the way you interpreted it...A bird dies...God caused it. Which one of those did Jesus say? If you think they mean the same thing, then we have no common ground. You are using a passage to prove what you have already concluded, obviously, because you are reading into it something that it doesn't even hint at. The awareness or knowledge of all things is not the equivalent of the control of all things. If you don't know or believe that, then I cannot help you.

Do you recall the laments of the bible? Jesus once said.." O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing." (Math.23:37).
How does that passage fit with your conclusion that God is in control of all things and all people? Do you suppose He is a puppet master and His creation His puppets? Do you suppose we are robots programmed to simply carry out all that He has ordained?
Just because you can state a few examples from scripture where God uses things to make a statement, or that He intervenes or manipulates a situation, I have already suggested that this does not mean that this is the rule of thumb in everything that takes place. The proof is that others can also make scriptural reference to the exact opposite of your conclusions.

The reality is that there is no rule of thumb, here. God is not a control freak. And furthermore, He in no way is judging sin in this age. Many things are simply about cause and effect. In fact, you have made reference to that fact, that the earth is in birth pangs. This, I agree with. But this does not mean that God is controlling all the events that come out of these birth pangs. It simply means that He is in charge and is fully aware of all that is taking place.

You are confusing authority with control. In fact, authority is only valid if control is not happening. God cannot say "thou shall not" if He is controlling a person's actions. It would be hypocritical. He has the right to judge. We agree on that. But if He was controlling a person's actions or nature, then His judgment would be invalid.

Enter the argument that there are vessels made for honor and others for dishonor. This cannot override the other passages such as the lament over Jerusalem. The bible does not contradict itself. The two concepts must coordinate somehow. And here is how: God had foreknowledge of all things. He understood the result of giving mankind the ability to make personal choices and respond individually to Him. He made allowances for this and made a plan to restore manikind through the re-creation of the species. He understood that through Adam's disobedience, that his offspring (the vessels) would either be for God or against God, or indifferent. Thus He has the right to deal with these vessels for His glory and purpose, making some for honor and some for dishonor....according to His foreknowledge.

All through scripture we see God interacting with man in all kinds of ways. In many cases He is revealing His authority, His power, and His Lordship. But He also is seen reasoning with man, revealing His Love, His compassion, His kindness, and His patience, if possible to convince us to respond to Him and trust Him. ( ie: 2Cor.5:19,20)

So I will reason with you. Please consider the opposing truths to your conclusions and accept that if there is any rule of thumb in His dealings with mankind, it is that there is NO rule of thumb. I suggest you quit trying to sell one to us and submit to all of the scripture, not just the favorite passages you are using to make your case.
You are welcome, I can always give scripture for what ever I post even if I do not use it in a peticular post.

God has given man free will for He does not want forced love, YET, He, being our Creator knows what is best for us. Hence Jesus saying
.." O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing." (Math.23:37).

They suffered, and unrepentant man suffers due to their sinful ways and their rejection of His Word/Son which creates misery in their life. This is in hopes they see how good it can be if they will just repent and turn to God.
As for the sparrow not falling without God's knowledge, isn't it saying that God cares for us and is in total control so that no matter what trials or testings we go through it is all in God's hands, so don't fear others, FEAR GOD? Walk in Faith. Abraham could have thought to himself, I am not going to sacrifice my son, then I will have no son!... But he put his faith in that God is able to raise Isaac back up if need be, because HE BELIEVED GOD over his own knowledge of things.God had already said that he would be a father of nations and he took God at His Word.
Matt 10:28-31
28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
29 Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father.
30 But the very hairs of your head are all numbered.
31 Fear ye not therefore, ye are of more value than many sparrows.
KJV

I would be pretty sure that you are not even aware that it was the Spirit who led Jesus to be tempted of the devil? Did you know that?

Matt 4:1 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.
KJV
Do you realize that when a nation elect's an evil leader over them that it is given by God? Why do I say this? Because God says that we SHALL eat the fruit that we have planted and that is and always will be God's Spiritual Law!
Gen 8:22
22 While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease.
KJV
When we plant in our children, who are our future rulers, corruption we shall eat of the fruit they produce.

When a mother does not raise a moral child, most times, that Now-grandmother gets to raise her grandchildren because the parent is still imature due to POOR up bringing. I believe this is God's will, to teach them a lesson for the error they made by not teaching their child the values of God's Word and moral laws.

You consider the chasitments of God to be speaking evil of God, but true love TEACHES those who are cared about lessons in life to bless them with a good life and honor from those who know them.

This may not seem to have anything to do with God being in control of the disasters in the world, but it does, just on a larger scale.
When God shakes up the earth, the busibodies who are always back biting, gossiping, and evil doers always causing harm to those around them are given opportunity to either be blessed or to bless others. Just let a shaking up from God come and it brings these same people to not only forget their ways of sinful treatment of others, but it causes blessings and care to flow from those involved and maybe... just maybe some to fall on their knees and turn to God for help! Yet.. it also can cause loss of life but that is God's business for we do not know what brought this show of His hand. And while a few may pass on, many more may come to God to be saved.
 

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Thank you for your reply, faithful one. We are on the same page on several items. For starters, Math.10:28. Notice where it is that God destroys both body and soul. It is in the Lake of fire at the final judgment. This does nothing to prove that He judges sin on this earth at this time.
As far as chastening goes, I concur. He chastens His children.
You might appreciate an FYI..in that chastisement is not the same as chastening. Chastisement is punishment for wrongdoing. This is what Jesus took on our behalf. Chastening on the other hand is correction. Jesus warned His servants in Rev.2:22 to repent from sexual immorality lest He cast them into great tribulation. All whom He loves He rebukes and chastens.

As for temptation, James said that each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed (1:14). As I alluded to, just because we see God using a particular method in one or several cases, this is not a license to conclude that it always happens that way. Jesus was led by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil. The difference there was that Jesus could not be drawn away by his desires. This is the only way temptation could have been orchestrated in His case. We are not God in the flesh, as He was.

As far as God controlling natural disatsters on this planet in order to get people to fall on their knees....what an imagination. What a stretch!. The bible has given us His plan for bringing sinners to repentance. It involves the conviction of sin by the Holy Spirit (John16:8,9), and the preaching of the good news (Rom.1:16) and the pleading from His ambassedors to respond to the cross (2Cor.5:19,20). We are told that it is the goodness of God that leads us to repentance (Rom.2:4). Do you have a problem with that? God's way is kinder and gentler than what you are proposing. He doesn't beat people into submission. He courts them with His love. This is about relationship with God (John17:3). It is His love that He wants man to respond to. You really need to get that. Jesus stands at the door and knocks (Rev.3:20). He doesn't shake the earth beneath their feet. That is religious nonesense. The world is turning their backs on such suggestions.

As it goes, natural disasters happen. People respond to them in various ways. There are no great revivals coming from them; don't kid yourself. And that which will take place at the time mentioned in Revelation is not for anything other than wrath inflicted upon God's enemies and opposers. This is a time that marks the end of the age, when the fulness of the gentiles has come in.