Did Jesus suffer in hell

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John

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Go through the Harrowing of Hell?
I have seen this many times before, but am not sure, can someone give me a little help with this.I thought it was finished at the cross. When Jesus died he said it is finishedWas there a reason for him to suffer in hell?
 

Jordan

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I Peter 3:18-20 - For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.Lovest ye in Christ Yahshua our Lord and Saviour.
 

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I have seen this many times before, but am not sure, can someone give me a little help with this.I thought it was finished at the cross. When Jesus died he said it is finishedWas there a reason for him to suffer in hell?
Jesus wasn't in flesh form so I doubt he suffered physically, I would have to think it pained him deeply for every soul he could not save. Though I suspect he foreknew who he could not save. I just read something on this the other day(sorry dont remember what I was reading) but it said he entered hell alone and returned to heaven with many.
 

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I Peter 3:18-20 Yes I know this scripture , but to me it is not saying he suffered in hell, it says he suffered once, probably meaning as a man. Preaching to the spirits in prison sounds like he is there because he wants to be
it said he entered hell alone and returned to heaven with many.
This sounds more like why our Lord would go to hell
 

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The Harrowing of Hell is a doctrine which states that because Christ absorbed our sin He went to hell for three days as if we would if we died--except for all eternity. While there He witness to those who had died without knowing Him and took those souls who believed Him to be God.
 

E Nomine

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Thanks, E Nomine, for that spledid definition of what the Harrowing of Hell is!
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Thanks, E Nomine, for that spledid definition of what the Harrowing of Hell is!
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hi, i have an additional thought on this and would love anyone to respond...my understanding is that hell is hell because it is a place where God is not. Jesus' presence in that place will have changed the 'dynamics' of it for that time. Anyone there prior to Him heading there folowing the cross, will have seen for themselves the difference that Jesus can make in their lives and their surroundings. God is in the business of changing lives, drawing people to himself to be in relationship with him. people need to repent and realise their need of Jesus to come into that relationship and they had the opportunity tro see their need too. on whatever level, the fact that Jesus went there will have been the same as him heading to earth to be the way, the truth and life for those there. Jesus is the only way! He had to go, to provide a way for all of creation. We are given free will and it is Gods heart that all will come to know Him, he wasn't going to miss out giving them the same opportunity.any thoughts???
 

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Mark 1534And at the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?"—which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"Matthew 2746About the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi,lama sabachthani?"—which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"Jesus was not questioning God;he was quoting the first line of Psalm 22 - a deep expression of the anguish he felt when he took on the sins of the world,which caused him to be separated from his Father.'This' was what Jesus dreaded as he prayed to God in the garden to take the cup from him(Matthew26:39)The physical agony was horrible but even worse was the period of spiritual separationfrom God.Jesus suffered this double death so that we would never have to experience eternal separation from God2Thessalonians 19They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the majesty of his power 10on the day he comes to be glorified in his holy people and to be marveled at among all those who have believed.
 

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Mark 152Thessalonians 19They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the majesty of his power .
thanks for your post on this... ah, this scripture supports my understanding on the fact that Jesus was in hell and hell is a place away from Gods presence. the rest of your reply was helpful too so thanks again.:blessyou:
 

John

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I don't think scripture supports the fact that Jesus went to hell. I believe the price for our sins was paid in full at CalvaryEph 4:8This is why it says:When he ascended on high,he led captives in his trainand gave gifts to men. (What does “he ascended” mean except that he also descended to the lower, earthly regions Eph 4:10 He who descended is the very one who ascended higher than all the heavens, in order to fill the whole universe.)This scripture does not say he went to hell, remember Jesus said to the thief on the cross today you will be with me in paradise
 

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The doctrine is inferred from a particular interpretation of the following verses.Acts 2:27 and 2:31 declare in effect that Hades ("place of the dead") could not hold the crucified Christ. Two passages of 1 Peter principally have been used as a basis for the ancient doctrine. 1 Peter 3:19-20 says that Jesus "went and made a proclamation to the spirits in prison, who in former times did not obey, when God waited patiently in the days of Noah...."1 Peter 4:6 says that the gospel was "proclaimed even to the dead..." (NRSV). A reference in 2 Corinthians 2:14 has been interpreted by some to include the harrowing of Hell: "But thanks be to God, who in Christ always leads us in triumphal procession, and through us spreads in every place the fragrance that comes from knowing him"The Harrowing of Hell, depicted in the Petites Heures de Jean de Berry, 14th c. illuminated manuscript The Epistle to the Ephesians 4:8-10 has also been understood by others to suggest a Harrowing of Hell doctrine: This is why it says: "When he ascended on high, he led captives in his train and gave gifts to men." (What does "he ascended" mean except that he also descended to the lower, earthly regions? He who descended is the very one who ascended higher than all the heavens, in order to fill the whole universe). (NRSV) "When you ascended on high, you led captives in your train; you received gifts from men, even from the rebellious—that you, O LORD God, might dwell there." (NIV) The parenthetical verses 9–10 of Ephesians are widely read as an exegetical gloss on the text. The word for "lower parts" is similar to the word used for "hell" in the Greek version of the Apostles Creed. Noted New Testament theologian Frank Stagg identifies three views of this passage from Ephesians:Jesus' burial, or His descent into the underworld or Hell, or His Incarnation as an act of deep humility. (see Philippians 2) Zachariah 9:11 refers to prisoners in a waterless pit. "As for thee also, by the blood of thy covenant I have sent forth thy prisoners out of the pit wherein is no water." The verses' reference to captives has been presented as a reflection of Yahweh's captives of the enemy in Psalm 68:17–18: "God's chariots were myriad, thousands upon thousands; from Sinai the Lord entered the holy place. You went up to its lofty height; you took captives, received slaves as tribute. No rebels can live in the presence of God." Isaiah 24:21-22 also refers to spirits in prison, reminiscent of Peter's account of a visitation to spirits in prison: "And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall punish the host of the high ones that are on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth. And they shall be gathered together, as prisoners are gathered in the pit, and shall be shut up in the prison, and after many days shall they be visited."(John;18406)
This scripture does not say he went to hell, remember Jesus said to the thief on the cross today you will be with me in paradise
Mathew 27:44 Even the robbers who were crucifed with Him reviled Him with the same thing.Matthew says that Christ did not redemn a rober who was crucified with Him.Mark 15:32 Even those who were crucified with Him reviled Him.Mark says that Christ did not redemn a rober who was crucified with Him.Luke 23:40-43 But the other criminal rebuked him. "Don't you fear God," he said, "since you are under the same sentence? We are punished justly, for we are getting what our deeds deserve. But this man has done nothing wrong." Then he said, "Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom." Jesus answered him, "I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in paradise."Luke says that Christ did redemn a rober who was crucified with Him.There is no verse in John which states a rober was saved.One book in the bible says that one was while two desagree with it. Matthew and Mark desagree with Luke while John makes no mention. Matthew and Mark therefore must be correct.
 

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"God raised him up, loosing the pangs of death, because it was not possible for him to be held by it."(Acts 2:24)