What Would Jesus Say About Christmas - by our friend lesjude

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tim_from_pa

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I fixed your link because it was broken, which I suspect is the reason nobody answered.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlPLhSLXrB8

Yes, that's a good basic video regarding the pagan origins of xmas. I always said that it's a solstice festival honoring the sun God as well. Being a gnomonist, I can say that for sure. :D

For those who want an excuse to "celebrate" Jesus' birthday (not that we should celebrate birthdays to begin with), why not select a feast day? As with his first coming, so will be the second coming at the same time. Feast of Trumpets. I personally believe that Yahshua was born and lived for exactly 12240 days, or 34 prophetic years of 360 days. That's 414.5 lunar cycles meaning he was born at new moon (since he died at full moon, Passover). New Moon in September is the feast of Trumpets (the woman in Revelation 12 also points to an astronomical position --- a subject for another thread).
 
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Considering Jesus was not born on the 25th of December and Santa was invented to replace Odin, the Norse high god, I think he would be reather confused as to what we where doing.
 

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i think Jesus would enjoy the party.
 

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aspen2 said:
i think Jesus would enjoy the party.
If Jesus wanted, he could have destroyed the Roman Empire. He was here to die, so he let them take his life.
Non-violent? When he comes back, it will not be like when he was here as a human…he is going to destroy, and kill.
Many think because God loves us, we can do whatever we want, and he will forgive everything…if that is true, why is he going to kill most of the people on earth? Just because one says they are Christian, but still do things that are against God, do they believe they will not die when Jesus comes?
People have to stop doing things like Christmas…these things make it look like we think God would take part in such things….No, I don’t think Jesus would enjoy the party.
 

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What would Jesus say?

"You have heard me say call no one a fool. But, verily, some people are crazy."

I think Jesus would approve of people worshiping Him by celebrating His birthday. I think Jesus would be the first to rebuke someone for criticizing Christmas. And, the crazy person would defend himself by saying to Jesus, "If you were the son of God, you would know Christmas is of pagan origin. We should all weep and cry on December 25 because it's so close to the Winter solstice."
 

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I believe the Pharisees were the first to criticize Jesus for eating with sinners, apparenty they were not the last.
 

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Polt said:
What would Jesus say?

"You have heard me say call no one a fool. But, verily, some people are crazy."

I think Jesus would approve of people worshiping Him by celebrating His birthday. I think Jesus would be the first to rebuke someone for criticizing Christmas. And, the crazy person would defend himself by saying to Jesus, "If you were the son of God, you would know Christmas is of pagan origin. We should all weep and cry on December 25 because it's so close to the Winter solstice."
Well then Jesus certainly would not call me crazy for celebrating his birth, if I were to do such a thing, on his proper birthday instead of a pretend birthday. I rather watch all the Hebrew feast days. They were prophetic time lines of things to come fulfilled by Christ at their proper times. Any other day is just that, a day invented by man and will not help us understand anything.
 

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lesjude said:
I understand it was pagan Kings who were the ones that celebrated their birthday, and no one else did at the time. Personally I don't celebrate such a thing but I understand those who do, having honor for Christ their king. However, I think there's are strong argument against such things and yet I know our deeds will stand or fall before our king.

What's not of FAITH(according to the word) is sin. :)
 

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Thereisbutonetrueking said:
Considering Jesus was not born on the 25th of December and Santa was invented to replace Odin, the Norse high god, I think he would be reather confused as to what we where doing.
All the historical and archaeological evidence supports the December 25th date which has been observed since the early 3rd century we know of and probably before that.

And Santa is not an invention, his name was Saint Nicholas and he was the pastor of the town of Myra in ancient Asia Minor, what is today Turkey. He was born to wealthy parents who died while he was a young man. Nicholas used his inherited wealth to start an orphanage. It became his custom to visit the poor among his parish on Christmas Eve and bring gifts to the children. His many acts of mercy were legendary, including the account of a poor family with three daughters who were coming of age and without a dowry would be unable to secure husbands and would be forced into a life in the workhouse or worse. The legend has it that Nicholas visited the family at night while the girls were sleeping and placed coins in each of their stockings which were hung up beside the fire to dry. Who knew that such simple acts of mercy as this good Christian man performed in his life would become the stuff of legends and be repeated by loving mothers and fathers for millenia to come?

Up until the 1950's Saint Nicholas was always pictured as a tall, rather gaunt man in somber clerical robes. But a Christmas poem that suddenly became popular in America described Saint Nicholas in a very different way, as a portly jolly elf. And then the Coca Cola company gave him a suit in their trademark color, red, and an advertising blitz made the Santa Claus we see today a fixture in American culture.

There is much more that can be said about this godly old man, but two things I think deserve special mention. After his death Nicholas was canonized by the Catholic Church and he became the patron saint of children. Also, Nicholas of Myra was one of the many church leaders who attended the Council of Nicea after centuries of Roman persecution of Christians came to an end and Nicholas was one of many who bore in their bodies the proof of their faithfulness to the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Nicholas

I am sure that what Jesus had to say to Nicholas when he received him into heaven was "well done, good and faithful servant."

In Christ,
Pilgrimer
 

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Christmas is one of the least of our problems IMO. Isn't it early for this seasonal disagreement?

ps: I don't like one liner sarcastic responses, so if you give me one, I am apt to ignore you...my new policy. :p
 
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His question would be, " what has christmas got to do with Me??" Do you really think He is bothered with such things, Christ is about mens salvation not birthday celebrations. That is a man thing.

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mjrhealth said:
His question would be, " what has christmas got to do with Me??" Do you really think He is bothered with such things, Christ is about mens salvation not birthday celebrations. That is a man thing.

In all his Love
May I ask you to perhaps reconsider that? Throughout the Old Testament, and into the New, God ordained certain days be set aside to remember the great works He had done on behalf of His people, in liberating them from slavery, in blessing them with a good and fruitful land, in giving them His Law by which they could draw near to Him, be reconciled with Him, and have fellowship with Him, worship Him.

Under the New Covenant we are no longer "commanded" by laws and ordinances to remember and celebrate the things our God has done for us, and yet, wasn't the Law a type, a shadow, that symbolizes for us what it means to serve and worship our Heavenly Father?

Feasting is the Biblical manner of commemorating and celebrating the work of God, and what works could possibly be more worthy of commemoration than the birth ... and the death and resurrection of God's Son?

In Christ,
Pilgrimer
 

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May I ask you to perhaps reconsider that?
Reconsider what ?? WHy is it that man comes up with "traditions" which pleases him than expects God to be happy with mans foolishness. Jesus said." little children such as these enter into teh kingdom of heaven", but man always far to grown up to be as a child and to just love God, its the Mary Martha thing, far too many running around serving in the flesh instead of doing the better thing and sitting at His feet.

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mjrhealth said:
Reconsider what ?? WHy is it that man comes up with "traditions" which pleases him than expects God to be happy with mans foolishness. Jesus said." little children such as these enter into teh kingdom of heaven", but man always far to grown up to be as a child and to just love God, its the Mary Martha thing, far too many running around serving in the flesh instead of doing the better thing and sitting at His feet.

In all His Love
The birth of Jesus Christ is not a tradition man came up with. Nor is his resurrection. They are historical facts, they did actually occur in time on a specific day in the past, testified to by those who were eyewitnesses. That truth is central to the Gospel.

We don't follow cunningly devised fables, we follow matters of historical and historic importance. Now you may disagree with the date Christianity holds to be that on which those events occurred, you may even disagree about whether or not those days are worthy of remembrance, but to suggest that our remembrance of those events on those days is nothing more than man-made tradition, that is un-Biblical ... and unjust.

In Christ,
Pilgrimer
 

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This is Judy of Lesjude and I want you to know that Leslie went to be with Jesus 5/24/2013. He died here at home just the way he lived, worshipping Jesus, passionate for God' s word and compassionate toward God' people. Les and I were married 46 years and walked with Jesus together 35 yrs by God' s grace in one accord. He trained our seven children to seek God with all their heart and not to let other people do their thinking for them. He would encourage you that God is sovereign and we need to fear Him!
 

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lesjude said:
This is Judy of Lesjude and I want you to know that Leslie went to be with Jesus 5/24/2013. He died here at home just the way he lived, worshipping Jesus, passionate for God' s word and compassionate toward God' people. Les and I were married 46 years and walked with Jesus together 35 yrs by God' s grace in one accord. He trained our seven children to seek God with all their heart and not to let other people do their thinking for them. He would encourage you that God is sovereign and we need to fear Him!

Judy....my condolences. I hope you draw comfort in that he is now with his Saviour! As you have seven children you may not need it, but please know that many here will happily listen to you if you need support or comfort!




As for the topic at hand....I believe many people are so caught up on 'should dos' and 'shouldnt dos' that they forget that one of the big ideas in Christ's death and ressurection was to do away with just those things.
Paul repeatedly strives to show the strict and religious Jews that those things no longer matter. Only Jesus matters.
So what do I believe Jesus would say about Christmas? The same thing he would say on any other given day....."remember me".
If we do that, then we are in accordence with his commands and scripture.