Is homosexuality something God can redeem?

Rex · Apr 2, 2013

KCKID said:
I don't initiate the threads on homosexuality. The anti-homosexuals do. Obviously, all THEY want to talk about is homosexuality. As a member of the forum I respond with my own thoughts, just the same as you. However, besides sarcastic one-liners it seems that you're incapable of countering my thoughts with anything meaningful. Sin! Sin! Sin! That's Rex and his brand of Christianity.

If you're so hell-bent on your favorite topic - SIN - then why don't you address and publicly condemn the more blatant - but ignored by Christianity - SINS that I referenced in my post just as zealously as you condemn homosexuality? Are you really serious about being down on 'sin'? Nah, I would think not . . .

As soon as you give up trying to rewriting the bible to make it homosexual friendly
Or quite preaching it

You're not looking for forgiveness of sin your looking for acceptance of sin.
And it wouldn't be any different If you were a whore in a M/F marriage. If they denied it was a sin the outrage would be the same.

The difference is, only a homosexuals has the audacity to even pursue such a thing.

meshak · Apr 2, 2013

KCKID said:
I don't initiate the threads on homosexuality. The anti-homosexuals do. Obviously, all THEY want to talk about is homosexuality. As a member of the forum I respond with my own thoughts, just the same as you. However, besides sarcastic one-liners it seems that you're incapable of countering my thoughts with anything meaningful. Sin! Sin! Sin! That's Rex and his brand of Christianity.

If you're so hell-bent on your favorite topic - SIN - then why don't you address and publicly condemn the more blatant - but ignored by Christianity - SINS that I referenced in my post just as zealously as you condemn homosexuality? Are you really serious about being down on 'sin'? Nah, I would think not . . .

Kid,

You are actively advocating sin, Christians are supposed to avoid all sin at all cost. Jesus died for our sins, If we continually live in sin, Jesus' died on the cross is meaningless. If we are sinners we will not inherit God's kingdom. This is basic Christian principle.

You dont like to hear anyone preaching to you but you are preaching to us homosexual sex is not sin.

I did not want to be blatant to you about this but you seem to be using Jesus' name in vein. You need to stop.

Rex · Apr 2, 2013

KCKID said:
I don't initiate the threads on homosexuality. The anti-homosexuals do.

Now thats an interesting point concerning this thread. How do I know you or aspen didn't start it?
Its a one post wonder http://www.christianityboard.com/topic/17544-is-homosexuality-something-god-can-redeem/#entry182551
How do I know you didn't make the account and user name singoverme?

aspen · Apr 2, 2013

like i have said before, i do not agree with everything walter wink believes. i like his quote so i use it. it is your compulsion to label and condemn that is misleading you, Rex. i have not changed my view of homosexuality on this board once, as one of the many sins humans fall into.
why is there such a compulsion in fundamentalist circles for everyone to run aroumd restating Christian beliefs and checking everyone to make sure they are believing the 'right' thing. Sometimes I feel like i am being demanded to 'show my papers' like a peasant confronted by the secret police in a dictatorship. definately not the type of freedom Christ called for in the gospels.

Rex · Apr 2, 2013

Where did aspen go

aspen2 said:
homosexuality is a sin that is easily condemned by people who are not tempted by it. 5rom what i have noticed after posting on many conservative christian boards is that homosexual rights are equated with liberalism and the secularization of western society and therefore attacked vigorously by certain members. the hypocrisy of singling out the sin of homosexuality for attack often brings out opposition from others who are roundly condemned as either homosexual advocate or homosexuals, themselves. No other issue riles up a fundy like the legal protection of a homosexual....hypocrisy be damned! lol

If its a sin as you say then why do you carry one of the very founders of the Queen James bible on your signature? Walter Wink
The guy that literally rewrote and removed all the biblical references to homosexual as a sin from the bible, I don't think your being completely truthful aspen

This article
appeared in the Christian Century November 7, 1979
By Walter Wink

http://www.religion-online.org/showarticle.asp?title=1265

aspen2 said:
Sometimes I feel like i am being demanded to 'show my papers' like a peasant confronted by the secret police in a dictatorship. definately not the type of freedom Christ called for in the gospels.

No ones demanding to see your papers your flying them in your signature

KCKID · Apr 2, 2013

Rex said:
Now thats an interesting point concerning this thread. How do I know you or aspen didn't start it?
Its a one post wonder http://www.christianityboard.com/topic/17544-is-homosexuality-something-god-can-redeem/#entry182551
How do I know you didn't make the account and user name singoverme?

MY WORD that I did not initiate any homosexual thread should be good enough. Please ...and I mean this ...while we might be in disagreement on this issue don't question my integrity! That's the one thing I have that I can say that I'm proud of. What you see is what you get, no frills, no pulling punches . . .

Rex · Apr 2, 2013

aspen2 said:
like i have said before, i do not agree with everything walter wink believes. i like his quote so i use it. it is your compulsion to label and condemn that is misleading you, Rex.

So its me that's wrong when I see someone flying the founding fathers name of the Queens James bible? I'm the one that's wrong about presuming he a homosexual and doesn't believe it a sin? OK so tell me why the color purpel the same color of his book

KCKID said:
MY WORD that I did not initiate any homosexual thread should be good enough. Please ...and I mean this ...while we might be in disagreement on this issue don't question my integrity! That's the one thing I have that I can say that I'm proud of. What you see is what you get, no frills, no pulling punches . . .

Integrity LOL----->> your the one that said these threads were started by anti-homosexuals

KCKID said:
I don't initiate the threads on homosexuality. The anti-homosexuals do.

I just pointed out its a bated thread, Your the one that first questioned the integrity of the OP of this thread
Your both hopelessly dishonest IMO
good night

aspen · Apr 2, 2013

yes you are wrong Rex. i speak for myself and so do my posts.

KCKID · Apr 2, 2013

meshak said:
Kid,

You are actively advocating sin, Christians are supposed to avoid all sin at all cost. Jesus died for our sins, If we continually live in sin, Jesus' died on the cross is meaningless. If we are sinners we will not inherit God's kingdom. This is basic Christian principle.

I don't recall any place where I have advocated sin. I do believe, however, that the term 'sin' as so loosely bandied around by Christians is meaningless rhetoric and nothing less. No one has the right to point the finger at anyone else. Homosexuality per se is not a sin. Heterosexuality per se is not a sin. Neither of them per se CAN be a sin. Those of both sexual persuasions, however, fall short of the glory of God, Also ...I don't recall any place where I have supported 'sexual promiscuity' either whether it be homosexual or heterosexual. I have never supported it and I have never condemned it because it's none of my d--mn-d business what others do in private! Jesus actually paraphrased this 'mind your own business' term more politely.

As for Jesus ...He knew that humans could NEVER refrain from 'sinning' but Christians have not yet managed to catch on to this concept. Nor have they caught on as to WHY Jesus died on the cross. We will never be sinless - there is NONE righteous, no, not one! - but the blood of Jesus will ALWAYS be available to free us from our sins if we accept both He and the symbolic meaning behind His crucifixion. Why am I explaining this to those who should already know ...?

meshak said:
You dont like to hear anyone preaching to you but you are preaching to us homosexual sex is not sin.

I did not want to be blatant to you about this but you seem to be using Jesus' name in vein. You need to stop.

Just let me make my point yet again ...it's not UP TO ME to point out the perceived sins of others. If homosexual sex is a sin then GOD, NOT ME, NOT YOU, will deal accordingly with that issue in due course. In the present, however, "I" should be more concerned about MY walk with Jesus than spending time on a forum spewing out hatred toward those i don't like. I will, however, spend my time countering those that do. Okay?

Rex said:
So its me that's wrong when I see someone flying the founding fathers name of the Queens James bible? I'm the one that's wrong about presuming he a homosexual and doesn't believe it a sin? OK so tell me why the color purpel the same color of his book

Integrity LOL----->> your the one that said these threads were started by anti-homosexuals

I just pointed out its a bated thread, Your the one that first questioned the integrity of the OP of this thread
Your both hopelessly dishonest IMO
good night

Rex, this school-boy stuff that you're pulling is not helping your credibility any. I'm actually doing you a favor by pointing that out. Not to mention that I prefer those with whom I discuss topics to HAVE credibility and integrity.

meshak · Apr 2, 2013

KCKID said:
I don't recall any place where I have advocated sin. I do believe, however, that the term 'sin' as so loosely bandied around by Christians is meaningless rhetoric and nothing less. No one has the right to point the finger at anyone else. Homosexuality per se is not a sin. Heterosexuality per se is not a sin. Neither of them per se CAN be a sin. Those of both sexual persuasions, however, fall short of the glory of God, Also ...I don't recall any place where I have supported 'sexual promiscuity' either whether it be homosexual or heterosexual. I have never supported it and I have never condemned it because it's none of my d--mn-d business what others do in private! Jesus actually paraphrased this 'mind your own business' term more politely.

As for Jesus ...He knew that humans could NEVER refrain from 'sinning' but Christians have not yet managed to catch on to this concept. Nor have they caught on as to WHY Jesus died on the cross. We will never be sinless - there is NONE righteous, no, not one! - but the blood of Jesus will ALWAYS be available to free us from our sins if we accept both He and the symbolic meaning behind His crucifixion. Why am I explaining this to those who should already know ...?

Just let me make my point yet again ...it's not UP TO ME to point out the perceived sins of others. If homosexual sex is a sin then GOD, NOT ME, NOT YOU, will deal accordingly with that issue in due course. In the present, however, "I" should be more concerned about MY walk with Jesus than spending time on a forum spewing out hatred toward those i don't like. I will, however, spend my time countering those that do. Okay?

Rex, this school-boy stuff that you're pulling is not helping your credibility any. I'm actually doing you a favor by pointing that out. Not to mention that I prefer those with whom I discuss topics to HAVE credibility and integrity.

Just let me make my point yet again ...it's not UP TO ME to point out the perceived sins of others. If homosexual sex is a sin then GOD, NOT ME, NOT YOU,

Let me point this out to you. It is Jesus' followers have responsibility to protect Jesus' word. You are watering down His word. It is already watered down so bad. You are one of those making it worse. Shame on you and you claim to be a Christian.

KCKID · Apr 2, 2013

meshak said:
Let me point this out to you. It is Jesus' followers have responsibility to protect Jesus' word. You are watering down His word. It is already watered down so bad. You are one of those making it worse. Shame on you and you claim to be a Christian.

And, let me point this out to you: Jesus said, "You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye." (Matthew 7:5; Luke 6:42) THIS, Meshak, is the verse that refers to those sinners ("Hypocrites," Jesus calls them) such as yourself and others who go out of their way to point out the perceived sins of another and attempt to judge them in the process. Take it up with Jesus ...not me.

No, I most certainly am not ashamed to call myself a Christian . . .

hypocrite:
a person who engages in the same behaviors he condemns others for
a person who professes certain ideals for others, but fails to live up to them himself
a person who fails to practice what he preaches
a person who holds others to higher standards than he holds himself
a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion
all of us to one degree or another.

dragonfly · Apr 2, 2013

Hi KC,

Homosexuality. Is this something that God can redeem? Well, if God doesn't have a problem with the presence of blatant adultery and its acceptance by Christians in our Churches then why would He have a problem with homosexuality? Again, why homosexuality? You, dear reader, should be smart enough to work that out all by yourself.

I believe we are smart enough - all of us. But then it becomes a matter of the heart, and whether we desire to please God in such a way that He will recognise us as His children, or, one day we will hear the fateful words, 'Depart from me, ye workers of iniquity! I never knew you.' Matt 7:23

Galatians 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. 17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. 18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication ...'

I am going to assume you don't know that the word in Greek, here translated 'fornication', means: all sexual perversion, including homo-sexual acts. To interpret that further, it means that fornication can be practised by heterosexual couples, within their own marriage. It is still sin in God's sight.

Look how Paul ends his warning: 'they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.'

He continues: uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Your defence of homosexual behaviour, especially by drawing on the sins of heterosexuals to support your thesis, is a totally futile exercise.

Well... it is to anyone how is looking for you to demonstrate a belief in scriptural guidance through those to whom God gave His word for us.

Your relativist argument puts other people as the standard, rather than God's word. Paul said this of them:

2 Corinthians 10:12 For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some that commend themselves: but they measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise.

JackSafari · Apr 2, 2013

KCKID said:
What is it about homosexuality that mainstream Christians find so hard to deal with? .

Irregardless of anyone's religion, its a personal problem for those who struggle with accepting homosexuality along side heterosexuality as being part of the human condition. Really not any different if we go back decades and centuries where various "abominations" according to the bible were reason to persecute people, and now we could care less and suggest those in past were simply ignorant for taking the bible to such extremes (ie burning people at the stake for being witches, etc). Same will be true in the future, they will look back and roll their eyes at us for being ignorant so judgmental about homosexuality. Homosexuals need not fear anything before being homosexual, just like everyone else need not fear they'll be judged for their personal sexual orientation, which is unique for everyone.

aspen · Apr 2, 2013

everyone is a hypocrite - the only alternative is to give up all standards.

dragonfly · Apr 2, 2013

Hi Jack,

God doesn't think like this, as I've tried to explain to you many times. Fornication will never be 'accepted' by Him.

Irregardless of anyone's religion, its a personal problem for those who struggle with accepting homosexuality along side heterosexuality as being part of the human condition. Really not any different if we go back decades and centuries where various "abominations" according to the bible were reason to persecute people, and now we could care less and suggest those in past were simply ignorant for taking the bible to such extremes (ie burning people at the stake for being witches, etc). Same will be true in the future, they will look back and roll their eyes at us for being ignorant so judgmental about homosexuality. Homosexuals need not fear anything before being homosexual, just like everyone else need not fear they'll be judged for their personal sexual orientation, which is unique for everyone.

It is not that unique, or the human race would have petered out centuries ago.

God intends sexual orientation to be heterosexual, because He is a God of increase, and children are His inheritance. That's why when He made man in His own image, multiplication was part of the deal. The idea that if we're 'modern' enough, gradually procreation will fall into disuse and be totally abandoned, is complete nonsense.

What needs to be abandoned is the erroneous idea that sexual orientation is of no interest to God.

meshak · Apr 2, 2013

KCKID said:
And, let me point this out to you: Jesus said, "You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye." (Matthew 7:5; Luke 6:42) THIS, Meshak, is the verse that refers to those sinners ("Hypocrites," Jesus calls them) such as yourself and others who go out of their way to point out the perceived sins of another and attempt to judge them in the process. Take it up with Jesus ...not me.

No, I most certainly am not ashamed to call myself a Christian . . .

hypocrite:
a person who engages in the same behaviors he condemns others for
a person who professes certain ideals for others, but fails to live up to them himself
a person who fails to practice what he preaches
a person who holds others to higher standards than he holds himself
a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion
all of us to one degree or another.

It is so funny that you are so concerned of other's sexuality and when people point out it to you we become hypocrites. This is very old tactic to silence truth sayers. It is just cheap shot, dude.

How do you know if we are not taking out our own plank?

You should know there are people who honor Jesus' standards and strive to follow them. We dont make excuses so we can go on with the low standards of this world.

JackSafari · Apr 2, 2013

dragonfly said:
Hi Jack,

God doesn't think like this, as I've tried to explain to you many times. Fornication will never be 'accepted' by Him.

It is not that unique, or the human race would have petered out centuries ago.

God intends sexual orientation to be heterosexual, because He is a God of increase, and children are His inheritance. That's why when He made man in His own image, multiplication was part of the deal. The idea that if we're 'modern' enough, gradually procreation will fall into disuse and be totally abandoned, is complete nonsense. What needs to be abandoned is the erroneous idea that sexual orientation is of no interest to God.

Percentages is not a factor in what is acceptable. You're free to believe as you like, God gave you, and everyone else that ability. What is important is that a minority group are not denied the right to be themselves because some in the majority will not accept them for who they are. God made this world so justice prevails in the long run, thus God always prevails. Ignorance does not stand a chance in His world.

dragonfly · Apr 2, 2013

God made this world so justice prevails in the long run, thus God always prevails.

At last something we can agree upon.

Selene · Apr 2, 2013

To answer the OP's question, homosexuality is a sin that can be redeemed and forgiven just as all sins can be redeemed and forgiven. Lust is a sin that occurs in all people. For homosexuals, the lust is with people of the same sex. For heterosexuals, it is lust of the opposite sex. It is something we all struggle with. When a gay person commits the act of homosexuality, it is a sin....the sin of fornication. This is the same kind of sin that the single heterosexuals are also guilty of....the sin of fornication.

It is possible for a homosexual to refrain from sex just as it is possible for heterosexuals to do the same. One gay person I know in my church does not commit homosexual acts despite that he is homosexual. He still continues to struggle with this sin. It is his cross, but he lives alone and does not have a boyfriend. He also attends Church everyday and is very much involved in his parish. With God, all things are possible.

JackSafari · Apr 2, 2013

Selene said:
To answer the OP's question, homosexuality is a sin that can be redeemed and forgiven just as all sins can be redeemed and forgiven. Lust is a sin that occurs in all people. For homosexuals, the lust is with people of the same sex. For heterosexuals, it is lust of the opposite sex. It is something we all struggle with. When a gay person commits the act of homosexuality, it is a sin....the sin of fornication. This is the same kind of sin that the single heterosexuals are also guilty of....the sin of fornication.

It is possible for a homosexual to refrain from sex just as it is possible for heterosexuals to do the same. One gay person I know in my church does not commit homosexual acts despite that he is homosexual. He still continues to struggle with this sin. It is his cross, but he lives alone and does not have a boyfriend. He also attends Church everyday and is very much involved in his parish. With God, all things are possible.

Where I live, in the State of Washington, people of the same sex can be legally married, thus as a married couple they are not fornicating.

Is homosexuality something God can redeem?

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