ARE THERE STILL PROPHETS AND APOSTLES?

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I personally believe that God is still presently calling prophets. Now I am weary who I call a prophet and weary of those who claim to be prophets. I believe also that the gift of prophecy is still present and functioning but it is for edification, encouragement and correction. Most of the true prophets of God today will be unnamed and unknown for they will not flaunt around in titles but will bring the word of God with boldness and consistency with the revealed word in the Holy Bible. There is also a difference between someone operating in the gift of prophecy and someone operating in the office of a prophet. I believe that their are prophets, evangelists, missionaries, elders, bishops, intercessors, teachers, pastors and all for God calls them. Now apostles I am not sure about.
 

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terry

You say you have seen Jesus and it sounds as though you may have been given some privileged information which you are keeping close to your chest until you are positive it is appropriate to reveal it.

Have I read you correctly ?

By the way I happen to believe you .... that is unusual in itself ..... call it instinct or spiritual confirmation or whatever ..... I believe you.

A similar thing happened 10 years ago to me ..... I did not see Jesus ..... I was taken to the angelic realm .... literaly ... I was there .... full color .... crystal clear ..... precise communication (scripture references) ...... and an event happening here on earth at exactly the same time that corresponds 100% with the given scripture.

It is a notification of fulfillment of a nugget of OT prophecy ..... it stands up to all scrutiny .... it has not been made public yet .

I am not a prophet ..... I have no special talents ..... and it has nothing really to do with me at all ..... I just happen to be the one who was given the correlation of the specific scripture to the event on earth ..... the pieces fit on their own .... nothing comes from me.

Has something been revealed to you Terry ?? I do not expect you to tell me any of the details ..... there will be a proper time and place for that.

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UHCAlan,,, i agree with the bulk of what you said. but..... when you contend that todays prophets will be unnamed ... i disagree... Do you think in the next testament we will be reading the book of " " and the book of " "? Please alter your thinking... Prophets went before Kings and gave prophecy... they did not go un-announced. We have New and Old testament prophets and their names ARE known - even books consist of their names.
Now you desire to tell the prophets what they will and will not do as well? And that they should hide their name? Please re-think your stance. I assure you this part needs more understanding on your part.


Arnie, you are correct here .... " You say you have seen Jesus and it sounds as though you may have been given some privileged information which you are keeping close to your chest until you are positive it is appropriate to reveal it.

Have I read you correctly ? "


" I am not a prophet ..... I have no special talents ..... and it has nothing really to do with me at all ..... I just happen to be the one who was given the correlation of the specific scripture to the event on earth ..... the pieces fit on their own .... nothing comes from me. "

I used to use nearly those exact same words when explaining my visit from Jesus! All Glory belongs to the Father Son and Holy Ghost.

" Has something been revealed to you Terry ?? I do not expect you to tell me any of the details ..... there will be a proper time and place for that. "

Yes there has been special information revealed to me... like the identity of the Two Witnesses - of course since I had always been really close to them - it made sense. and yes there will be aproper time and place. I would like nothing more than to give all the details I can, unfortunately the desires of people using denial without proof or evidence holds me back... not for my sake, but for theirs. Strange huh.

And, I will NOT deny your vision(s) either...
 

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Thanks Terry ..... my information is being put into book form ..... I will make sure you get a copy once it is released.

By the way the information is specific to Israel, and is positive in context , and it literally fulfills a segment of OT prophecy. Even a jury of 12 atheists would have to agree that it stands up to scrutiny..
 

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In the early 90'd I wrote two books on reveelation propheciees. I published them on the internet for free to anyone. The infoemation on the propheecies were not about word definitions nor linking scriptures as much as they were about building a working model; of Revelation and Tribulation prophecies, including a Revelation time-line calendar. I wish you success in your work Arnie.
 

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The are no more apostles or prophets.
Not only did the prophets speak by divine inspiration but being a prophet was a position (office bearrer) that had specific functions and dealt with specific issues and spoke to significant people. (the OT & NT fathers) As you will see. (I hope)

When most people think of prophets they associate them with the major and minor prophets of the Old Testament, Jesus, his apostles, and John the Revelator of the New Testament. People associate prophets with predicting the future because that's mostly what we read in the bible. Both in the Old and New Testament they often 'spoke forth' God's will for Israel and His people. And they received the message from God the Holy Spirit and often spoke it to significant people as well as predict the future. Prophets were often in exile.

Other than what we read in the Old and New Testament books, the Didache is the authority on the office of the prophets.

In the NT church, prophets had specific functions and went from church to church 'telling forth' God's Will for the establishment of the church. They were to receive no money, were only meant to stay for no more than 2 days, had no family and had no place to live. They were subject to abuse as they often extended their stay and accepted money and lived large at the expense of the congregation. There were no prophets between the Testaments and John the Baptist is actually considered the last OT prophet. And there were no prophets after the New Testament church was established.

The NT prophets became 'obsolete' in the sense that after the church was established and the foundation was laid they were no longer necessary.

Apostles and prophets were the foundation of the emerging New Testament church. Apostles were at the top of the church hierarchy and prophets were second.

People are mistaken to believe that there are prophets today.

I've predicted things that came to pass but that doesn't make me a prophet. Today we are disciples, have deacons, and are able to prophesy, but that in no way makes us prophets.

Luke 16:15 And he said unto them, ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.

16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

Hebrews 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

Ephesians 3:5 says that the mystery concerning the church has been revealed to His holy apostles and prophets through the Holy Spirit which indicates that these roles were fulfilled in the first century, and do not continue today.

Ephesians 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;

20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;Ephesians 3:5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;

6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

There have only been a few dozen (or so) prophets throughout history. In the OT God spoke through the prophets and wonders like the burning bush etc. The Holy Spirit wasn't as active in those days as He is today. The prophets of the OT often prophesied concerning Israel and Christ first and second coming and were often exiled. God used Israel to bring about the Messiah to save the world and is God's message to the world. No more prophets are needed to proclaim it. That's the mission of the church.

However! Now that we have the fulness of God's Spirit some can 'prophesy.'

Another brother said...

The truth is that God gave us Prophets (Old Testament) and Apostles (New Testament) for the establishing of the church. Prophets pointed ahead to Jesus. Apostles point back to Jesus. But, now God speaks to us through His Son.

"God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways, in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world," (Heb. 1:1-2).

Before the church was established Spiritual gifts were administered to only certain individuals hand picked by God. As the Spiritual gifts emerged into the general population of the church, the apostles eventually died off and the prophets were no longer necessary. That's pretty much the way it appears to me.

Some of the following is from Willian Barclay.

Eph 4 gives us a picture of the organization and administration of the early church. It gives us a list of the 'office' bearers in it at the time of Paul. Many of them were in a wandering ministry and went wherever the Spirit led them. And some stayed in their local ministry.

The apostles included more than the twelve. And to be an apostle there were two qualifications. An apostle must have seen Jesus and witnessed his resurrection.

That's why I say there are no more apostles.

The prophets were wanderers throughout the church. Their message wasn't the result of thought and study but the direct result of the Holy Spirit. They had no homes and no families and no means of support. If they took money they were not a true prophet. They went from church to church proclaiming the will of God as the Spirit told them.

The prophets before long vanished from the church. In times of persecution the prophets were the first to suffer and die for their faith. Their occupation was a dangerous one.

This is what William Barclay said.

The prophets became a problem. As the church grew the local organization developed. Each congregation began to grow into an organization which had it's own permanent minister and local administration. Before long the settled ministry began to resent the intrusion of these wandering prophets who often disturbed their congregations. The settled ministry always tends to resent the itinerant evangelist. The inevitable result was that bit by bit the prophets faded out, and the settled ministry was supreme.

The office of the prophet was singularly liable to abuse. These prophetic wanderers had a very considerable prestige. Some of them abused their office and made it an excuse for living a very comfortable life at the expense of the congregation whom they visited. The earliest book of church administration is the Didache, the teachings of the twelve apostles which dates back to just after A.D. 100. In it both the prestige and the suspicion of the prophets is clearly seen.....

It is laid down that a wandering prophet may stay one or two days with a congregation, but if he wishes to stay 3 days he is a false prophet....or if he demands money...he's a false prophet. There were days when the prophets were the real messengers of God to the church and it was so in the day of Paul. But the time came when these wandering prophets were an anachronism, (An anachronism is anything that is out of place in the time period it has been placed in) when some of them brought discredit on their office, and in the end vanished from the scene.
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Most christian's I know do agree that there are no more apostles or prophets. All the prophecies about Christ second coming have been made. The church is established and the Word is written.

And I don't know anybody who upholds the qualifications of a prophet and see no use for them now anyway since we have the gift of prophecy which is different than being a prophet.

Today we are disciples and are able to prophesy. That doesn't make us an apostle or a prophet!

Ephesians gives us a picture of the organization and administration of the early church. We have a list of office bearers at the time of Paul.

An apostle must have either seen Jesus or been hand picked by Jesus.

Paul said, "Am I not an apostle? Have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord?" (1 Cor 9:1)

An apostle had to be a witness of the resurrection of Christ. When the eleven met to discuss who would be the successor to Judas, the qualification of the successor was that he must be one of those who had companied with them throughout the earthly life of Jesus, and that he must be ordained to be a witness to the resurrection. (Acts 1: 21-22)

So in a sense the apostles and prophets were bound to die out.

The apostles were hand-picked by Jesus himself.

And when it was day, he [JESUS] called unto him his disciples: and of them he chose twelve, whom also he named apostles;

Not only were the original twelve apostles hand-picked by Jesus, Paul was as well.

And as he [Paul] journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven: And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.

Acts 9:3-6

After Jesus appeared to him, he said of Paul:

...for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:

Acts 9:13-15

Paul refers to himself as:

Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ...

Conclusion

So are there apostles today? I have given a number of reasons why there are not. Let’s just review them briefly.

1) There are no apostles today because the apostles served as a foundation for the early church only. We should not expect to see apostles today any more than we should expect to see someone laying a building’s foundation on the fourth floor.

2) There are no apostles today because they had to have seen Jesus after he rose from the dead. The apostles were to bear witness to the resurrection of Christ. To do this they had to have seen him after he rose from the dead. Paul says that he was the last person to see Jesus. Since no one since Paul has seen Jesus, no one since Paul can be an apostle.

3) There are no apostles today because apostles had to be hand-picked by Jesus. Since Jesus isn’t appearing to anyone today, he isn’t hand-picking anyone, either.

4) There are no apostles today because no one today has the miracle-working power of an apostle. Apostles were able to heal any physical condition. No case was to difficult. These healings often involved the miraculous recreation of body parts, and even the resurrection of the dead. No one is manifesting this type of miracle-working power today that I know of.

The Bible warns us not to be deceived by false apostles. Since there are no true apostles or prophets today. Anyone who claims to be an apostle or prophet is a false one.
There will be Apostles and Prophets in the Church as long as the Church is here, Eph 4:11--13.
 

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If you read a few verses before 11-13 you'll see that it's Jesus who established and appointed these positions. The position of apostle and prophet have become obsolete. They can't be apostles because...

by John Brown....

Here are the qualifications of an apostle:

(1) They had to have seen the Lord.

(2) They had to be an eyewitness of His resurrection.

(3) They had to be invested with miraculous
sign-gifts.

(4) They had to have been chosen directly by the Lord or
by the Holy Spirit.

c) And, in the official office of prophet, the prophet was 100% accurate or he was stoned to death!

(1) So, as far as this two "official" offices go, I don't
see them in use today!

(2) However the Lord still uses people to start new works
like He did the Apostles, and there are people with the gift of speaking forth
the word of God!

And the prophets Jesus appointed are no longer necessary.
 

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The Two Witnesses are necessary and they are prophets and perhaps the 144,000 are prophets as well.

The Two Witnesses are prophets and that is not a guess. they are needed and that is a fact... and they are here.. another fact.
Please understand when I say " fact " i do not mean opinion or guess... not 99% but rather... 100% sure.
You may not understand this yet, but i certainly hope we correspond long enough that you are allowed to know this.
 

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kaoticprofit said:
If you read a few verses before 11-13 you'll see that it's Jesus who established and appointed these positions. The position of apostle and prophet have become obsolete. They can't be apostles because...

by John Brown....

Here are the qualifications of an apostle:

(1) They had to have seen the Lord.

(2) They had to be an eyewitness of His resurrection.

(3) They had to be invested with miraculous
sign-gifts.

(4) They had to have been chosen directly by the Lord or
by the Holy Spirit.

c) And, in the official office of prophet, the prophet was 100% accurate or he was stoned to death!

(1) So, as far as this two "official" offices go, I don't
see them in use today!

(2) However the Lord still uses people to start new works
like He did the Apostles, and there are people with the gift of speaking forth
the word of God!

And the prophets Jesus appointed are no longer necessary.
Where does the Bible say the Apostles and Prophets have become obsolete??.

[1]Only the orginal twelve Plus Mattias who replaced Judas, Were the Apostles of the lamb, They had to be eye witnesses of the life, Ministry death and resurrection of Jesus...The Apostle pau wasn't a eye witneses of those things, Neither were any of the other Apostles or Prophets.

[2]The Apostles and Prophets di And stil do, Miracles.

[3]The Apostles and Prophets Are given by Jesus, Eph 4: 7--11.
And set in the Church by God, 1 Cor 12: 28.


The Bible wasn't written in chapter and verse, The translaters did that for referance,
So Eph 3: 20--21 carries on into Eph 4: 7--13, And it states that the five fold Ministry, Incuding Apostles and Prophets are in the Church throughout ALL AGES, World without end....We are still in the "ALL AGES"..And the world hasn't ended yet.
 

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As for the apostles not being allowed to have family... again you error and that is why the Catholic church is finding themselves steeped in child molestation, for had they obeyed the Word which is our FINAL authority they would not have put such a yoke of bondage on their priest to cause them to stumble.
Peter had a wife and Paul said that while he had the option to have a wife, he chose not to for it is better to not marry IF you can control your lusts, so that you spend all of your time pleasing God and not have to divide your time to please a spouse and God.And to live by offerings given FOR the spiritual food that the man of God prepares and feeds the flock for their soul is VERY ACCEPTABLE. NOT to SELL the Word of God for profit, but to freely feed and ALLOW THE RECEIVER to GIVE as to the measure of his heart what he considered this Food for HIS SOUL to be WORTH TO HIM, because just as Jesus watched over the treasury when he ALLOWED the POOR WIDOW to put in ALL SHE HAD for the kingdom of God and rewarded her openly for it... So does God still take note of what we sow our TREASURES TO our fleshly desires or our SOULS? To forbid to marry and to live poor under the curse is a DOCTRINE of DEMONS according to the Word of God.
Matt 8:14
14 And when Jesus was come into Peter's house, he saw his wife's mother laid, and sick of a fever.
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1 Tim 4:1-4
4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
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1 Cor 9:1-16
9:1 Am I not an apostle? am I not free? have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord? are not ye my work in the Lord?
2 If I be not an apostle unto others, yet doubtless I am to you: for the seal of mine apostleship are ye in the Lord.
3 Mine answer to them that do examine me is this,
4 Have we not power to eat and to drink?
5 Have we not power to lead about a sister, a wife, as well as other apostles, and as the brethren of the Lord, and Cephas?
6 Or I only and Barnabas, have not we power to forbear working?
7 Who goeth a warfare any time at his own charges? who planteth a vineyard, and eateth not of the fruit thereof? or who feedeth a flock, and eateth not of the milk of the flock?
8 Say I these things as a man? or saith not the law the same also?
9 For it is written in the law of Moses, Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen?
10 Or saith he it altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, this is written: that he that ploweth should plow in hope; and that he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his hope.
11 If we have sown unto you spiritual things, is it a great thing if we shall reap your carnal things?

12 If others be partakers of this power over you, are not we rather? Nevertheless we have not used this power; but suffer all things, lest we should hinder the gospel of Christ.
13 Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live{PARTAKE OF THE OFFERINGS} of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?
14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live{FINANCIAL SUPPORT FROM OFFERINGS} of the gospel.

15 But I have used none of these things: neither have I written these things, that it should be so done unto me: for it were better for me to die, than that any man should make my glorying void.
16 For though I preach the gospel, I have nothing to glory of: for necessity is laid upon me; yea, woe is unto me, if I preach not the gospel!
KJV
 

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I see two levels of authority in Apostles.

First we have the New Testament Apostles and afterwards we have "sent representatives" which will never come up to the level of the New Testament Authority of the 12 Apostles.

Acts_14:14 says that Barnabas was an apostle, but he was not on the level of Apostleship as Paul. No NT scripture came from Barnabas because he did not meet the qualifications (saw the Lord personally, called directly by the Lord, not sent by men).

Barnabas was an apostle by the the Spirit through the Church and not directly from God.

Act_11:22 Then tidings of these things came unto the ears of the church which was in Jerusalem: and they sent forth Barnabas, that he should go as far as Antioch.

Let me put this in perspective. Since the completion of Scripture, the level of prophecy and authority will always be lower (subservient) to scripture. No prophecy or authority will result in revelation that conflicts with Scripture. Jesus brought the full revelation of God, and the Apostles saw Jesus Christ. That which follows must always be subservient. If you go beyond Christ you are going beyond grace and truth through Jesus Christ. (John 1:17-18)

The ministry of Apostle came at the time of the full revelation of God in His Son. Apostle today will always be lower than the NT Apostles and are commissioned by the Church. Prophets and Apostles today, bring the Body into maturity and this ministry has not stopped. We need the "old" revelation to come into maturity, not some "new" revelation.

The original Prophets and Apostles still have a ministry today through the Scriptures that were inspired through them.

We do not need men to fill the role of the old prophets and apostles because the ministry continues in the body, today.

Apostolic authority and approval was the primary test for NT Canon. Error comes when revelation or prophecy are allowed to come to level of the Bible in authority. The only one who speaks in the NT without authority given is Jesus Christ.

Eph 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

The Apostles that are being talked about in Eph 2:20 are the ones that saw Jesus and were directly called by Him.

All other apostles are sent out by the Church and are subservient in authority to the early church Apostles. The NT Scriptures teach nothing about Apostolic succession. If Apostolic Succession were true and not error it would allow men's traditions and commands to rise to the same level of authority as the Scriptures (OT and NT). But instead of adding to the Bible, men write separate books which are said to have the same level of authority as the Scriptures.
 

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Well, one thing is for certain, those who try to limit God's people by attempting to deny them the true heavenly gifts/callings Our Heavenly Father gives to His believers as described in the NT, will never do great exploits for God, and very possibly have never done those " and greater things shall ye do" as Jesus promised those who would believe. I can already hear Him saying "Oh, ye of little faith!" What a pity! It would appear that they have no inkling of their own calling and so must try to deny others theirs.

The definition of apostle is sent one, or one who is sent. There is mention of women apostles in the epistles. What is the point of denying what is clearly there for all to read? Makes no sense to me at all. It is bizarre!


When people capitalize the words apostle, prophet, evangelist, pastor and/or teacher in referring to any believer, they are being respecters of persons and are in error. Christ Jesus contains within Himself all of these titles, He and He alone, is the THE Capital Letter Apostle, Prophet, Evangelist, Pastor, and Teacher. All of these are aspects of God are in Him, are what He gave to His people in the OT, what He did in the flesh and now does through His church, by His Holy Spirit. When the people of God humble themselves in actuality they will no longer be filled with unholy ambition or seek self-serving esteem and /or self important validation from men by using these capitalized titles.

And as for your failed attempts at humor, Andy, I am familiar with godly humor, to know God is to know His wonderful humor as a matter of course, and your rude thoughtless jabs do not come close to God's humor, which like His word ultimately achieves the goal it sets out to achieve. It is full of heavenly wisdom,it's fruit is pure, peaceable and it does not result in the type of stumbling we see happening here.What a shame! I was actually laughing at how absurd I found many of these long entailed erroneous denials of the gifts/callings, until I read yet another of your coarse caustic slams,which are mostly a pretense at humor that you constantly use to attack people. The spirit behind your so-called humor is not of God, but is earthly demonic unkind and mostly cruelly unjust. But , hey under the guise of aww shucks ,folks, it's just 'humor' this tactic provides you with a place to hide unaccountable, so that if someone complains or is put-off by your words you put them down further by accusing them of not having a sense of humor,as you toss out yet another put-down. Do you realize how easy it is to see how much you revel in taking cheap shots at people mostly those whom you don't agree with.Does that make it then ok to simply excuse yourself with some offhand comment about whomever not having a developed enough sense of humor. Do you really think you are funny? Do you ever just humble yourself and apologize? How sad to think you could be that numb to the way you hurt others. Do you really think God will let you get away with it? Remember what Jesus said about " If you cause just one of these my little ones to stumble," well ,Hey ,reality check, your so-called humor caused some stumbling there, some pretty disgusting misconceptions that those of us reading through the post ultimately got slimed with as a result of what you initiated , and all in the guise of humor. ...hmmm...not funny... not even close!
May God forgive you for putting your unpleasant sarcastic volleys on par with God's holy humor. And you shall know them by their love and by their fruit, pretty rotten fruit there Andy. OH, BTW Do me a favor, if you are tempted to comment on something I post with your glib worldly concept of humor, please, honor God and me enough to spare me your coarse unpleasantness, would you? Thanks.
 

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If there are prophets and apostles operating in modern day the evidence should be overwhelming

Where is the evidence ?

All we ever hear about is somebody who knew someone who saw something somewhere sometime.
 

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All I know is that the Bible says that Prophecy is one of the gifts given to the followers of Christ along with several others. This is according to Rom 12:6 and 1 Cor 12:10. Since the gifts of God are directly tied to the gift of the Holy Spirit, one has to wonder who here has even experienced that wonderful thing. Is it also nonexistant?

Not sure what to tell you folks.
 

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JosyWales said:
All I know is that the Bible says that Prophecy is one of the gifts given to the followers of Christ along with several others. This is according to Rom 12:6 and 1 Cor 12:10. Since the gifts of God are directly tied to the gift of the Holy Spirit, one has to wonder who here has even experienced that wonderful thing. Is it also nonexistant?

Not sure what to tell you folks.
Hi JosyWales ..... (and everybody)

I think it is safe to assume that the book of Romans and the book of Corinthians were written by an apostle.

We all are aware that the Apostles performed miracles such as healing etc ..... and certainly they prophesied .... after all they were writing the New Testament which contains plenty of prophecy.

So when we read Romans12 and 1Cor12 it would make sense that the author would also include his gifts of the Spirit as well as those of the everyday believer.

And if we really read closely the topic is somewhat of a rebuke to the reader ..... "Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought," .. (Romans 12:3)

..... and then the author goes on to say ..... 6 We have different gifts, according to the grace given to each of us.

In summary I think we modern Christians make a mistake expecting we have all the gifts ..... whereas the message really says we should not be expecting to have all of them ..... including those given to the apostles.

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In fairness I think we also have to take a look at 1 cor 12:31 where it says .... 31 Now eagerly desire the greater gifts ......

(Taken from 1 cor 12:28-31 )
28 And God has placed in the church first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healing, of helping, of guidance, and of different kinds of tongues. 29 Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles? 30 Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak in tongues? Do all interpret? 31 Now eagerly desire the greater gifts.

I may be splitting hairs but it can be read that Apostles & prophets were placed by God ..... as differentiated from gifts of healing & tongues etc.