Chapter 14

guysmith · Feb 9, 2013

Zechariah 14

1Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and
thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be
taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city
shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut
off from the city.
3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight
against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before
Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst
thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great
valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it
toward the south.
5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains
shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the
earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

IMO, unfulfilled Bible prophecy can be summed up in these five verses. That said, what do you get from these verses?

daq · Feb 21, 2013

guysmith said:
Zechariah 14

1Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and
thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be
taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city
shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut
off from the city.
3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight
against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before
Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst
thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great
valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it
toward the south.
5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains
shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the
earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

IMO, unfulfilled Bible prophecy can be summed up in these five verses. That said, what do you get from these verses?

Does the Father have physical feet like a man or is it symbolic language? And if it is symbolic-figurative language then perhaps the Old Testament Scripture itself already has the answers for the typology. The Father is Spirit and they that worship him must worship him in Spirit and in Truth, ("in Messiah"). It is the Son who came in a body of flesh, with physical feet, which body he gave upon the Cross in our place. In the same physical body with physical feet during his ministry Yeshua already stood upon the Mount of Olives many times, (i.e. "the Olivet Discourse"). The prophet Nahum tells us more about the feet of YHWH when the prophet states that "the clouds are the dust of his feet" and Zechariah speaks of "the feet" of YHWH stationed upon the holy mount:

Zechariah 14:3-4 KJV
3. Then shall the Lord [YHWH] go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
4. And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

Nahum 1:1-4 KJV
1. The burden of Nineveh. The book of the vision of Nahum the Elkoshite.
2. God is jealous, and the Lord [YHWH] revengeth; the Lord [YHWH] revengeth, and is furious; the Lord [YHWH] will take vengeance on his adversaries, and he reserveth wrath for his enemies.
3. The Lord [YHWH] is slow to anger, and great in power, and will not at all acquit the wicked: the Lord [YHWH] hath his way in the whirlwind and in the storm, and the clouds are the dust of his feet.
4. He rebuketh the sea, and maketh it dry, and drieth up all the rivers: Bashan languisheth, and Carmel, and the flower of Lebanon languisheth.

Luke 9:27-35 KJV
27. But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.
28. And it came to pass about an eight days after these sayings, he took Peter and John and James, and went up into a mountain to pray.
29. And as he prayed, the fashion of his countenance was altered, and his raiment was white and glistering.
30. And, behold, there talked with him two men, which were Moses and Elias:
31. Who appeared in glory, and spake of his decease which he should accomplish at Jerusalem.
32. But Peter and they that were with him were heavy with sleep: and when they were awake, they saw his glory, and the two men that stood with him.
33. And it came to pass, as they departed from him, Peter said unto Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias: not knowing what he said.
34. While he thus spake, there came a cloud, and overshadowed them: and they feared as they entered into the cloud.
35. And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.

2 Peter 1:14-21 KJV
14. Knowing that shortly I must put off this my tabernacle, even as our Lord Jesus Christ hath shewed me.
15. Moreover I will endeavour that ye may be able after my decease to have these things always in remembrance.
16. For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
17. For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
18. And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.
19. We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
20. Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
21. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

HeRoseFromTheDead · Mar 13, 2013

guysmith said:
Zechariah 14
...
5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains
shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the
earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

IMO, unfulfilled Bible prophecy can be summed up in these five verses. That said, what do you get from these verses?

Actually, except perhaps for the very last sentence of verse 5, they have been fulfilled. The verse 5 that you listed is not what Zechariah wrote. It is a translation of a corrupted text. What he actually wrote is found in the Septuagint (LXX), the very same bible that the apostles used:

The valley between the hills will be filled in, yes, it will be blocked as far as Jasol [Azal], it will be filled in as it was by the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Zechariah 14:5, New Jerusalem Bible

Search the Internet for zechariah + azal + yasul to have the darkness lifted from your eyes.

guysmith · Mar 13, 2013

HeRoseFromtheDead,

Really, and where is the evidence of the earthquake and where is the river of life

Zechariah 14: 8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.

daq · Mar 14, 2013

HeRoseFromTheDead said:
Actually, except perhaps for the very last sentence of verse 5, they have been fulfilled. The verse 5 that you listed is not what Zechariah wrote. It is a translation of a corrupted text. What he actually wrote is found in the Septuagint (LXX), the very same bible that the apostles used:

The valley between the hills will be filled in, yes, it will be blocked as far as Jasol [Azal], it will be filled in as it was by the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Zechariah 14:5, New Jerusalem Bible

Search the Internet for zechariah + azal + yasul to have the darkness lifted from your eyes.

Ever heard of the "House of the Side"? ("Beyth ha-Etsel").
Perhaps that is the destination of the "race" we all must run as disciples, ("run so as to win").

HeRoseFromTheDead · Mar 15, 2013

Y

daq said:
Ever heard of the "House of the Side"? ("Beyth ha-Etsel").
Perhaps that is the destination of the "race" we all must run as disciples, ("run so as to win").

Yes, I am familiar with BethHaEtsel. I think it's in Micah. No one knows where it was. Perhaps the real pronunciation was BethHaAtzal, and has something to do with Azal. I have not yet been able to make a connection.

I just looked, Micah 1:11. The LXX translates it as 'the house next to her', i.e. Zaanan. Who knows? Not me.

afaithfulone4u · Mar 15, 2013

guysmith said:
Zechariah 14

1Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and
thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be
taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city
shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut
off from the city.
3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight
against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before
Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst
thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great
valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it
toward the south.
5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains
shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the
earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

IMO, unfulfilled Bible prophecy can be summed up in these five verses. That said, what do you get from these verses?

It means exactly that God is the one who is gathering All of the nations to see Who will come against Israel to harm her and she Will be destroyed but Woe! to those who have a heart to do it. If one has pledged allegiance to their earthly countries flag to join in union(united we stand) with them to war, the will be summoned(one taken one left) with their military to go and be put into the fire to be burned(line of fire that is) They believe that they are waring against one another and they are.. but it is being orchestrated by the Hand of God being the Lord Jesus Christ and the saints who were Caught up to God's Throne and come with Him. Heavenly Jersusalem is the happy barren woman who will eventually come down and sit in Jerusalem on earth after the 1,000 clean up project done by the Groom who is Christ and His Holy Body144,000 12 tribes sons of God to prepare a place for her being The Bride. They are married to the Bride the City New Jerusalem.
If you have a heart for the Jewish people, which we should have, then we must be quick to cast them out of that old covenant of bondage that they will be judged by and bring them into the new covenant for salvation. Do not just patch up the walls telling them that God is going to save them for the truth is you Must be born again to be saved.
Isa 62:4-5
4 Thou shalt no more be termed Forsaken; neither shall thy land any more be termed Desolate: but thou shalt be called Hephzi-bah, and thy land Beulah: for the LORD delighteth in thee, and thy land shall be married.
5 For as a young man marrieth a virgin, so shall thy sons marry thee: and as the bridegroom rejoiceth over the bride, so shall thy God rejoice over thee.
KJV
Isa 66:6-13
6 A voice of noise from the city, a voice from the temple, a voice of the LORD that rendereth recompence to his enemies.
7 Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child.
8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children{Man child , holy body of Christ}.
9 Shall I bring to the birth, and not cause to bring forth? saith the LORD: shall I cause to bring forth, and shut the womb? saith thy God.
10 Rejoice ye with {Heavenly}Jerusalem, and be glad with her, all ye that love her: rejoice for joy with her, all ye that mourn for her:{Earthly Jerusalem which shall be destroyed}
11 That ye may suck, and be satisfied with the breasts of her consolations; that ye may milk out, and be delighted with the abundance of her glory.
12 For thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will extend peace to her like a river, and the glory of the Gentiles like a flowing stream: then shall ye suck, ye shall be borne upon her sides, and be dandled upon her knees.
13 As one whom his mother comforteth, so will I comfort you; and ye shall be comforted in Jerusalem.
KJV

Isa 54:1
54:1 Sing, O barren, thou that didst not bear; break forth into singing, and cry aloud, thou that didst not travail with child: for more are the children of the desolate than the children of the married wife, saith the LORD.
KJV
Gal 4:25-31
25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out{Free them by bringing them into the new covenant} the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.
KJV

The Wedding supper of the Lamb, blessed are they that are invited, for they will be Caught Up out of harms way, and looking down at the dinner plate of the birds of the air

Rev 19:5-9
5 And a voice came out of the throne, saying, Praise our God, all ye his servants, and ye that fear him, both small and great.
6 And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.
7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.{The righteousness of the saints are the Brides wedding gown for Jerusalem must be holy and pure and no unclean thing shall enter her gates again}
9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.
Rev.19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns{144,000}; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.
KJV
Rom 8:19-23
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
KJV

daq · Mar 16, 2013

HeRoseFromTheDead said:
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Yes, I am familiar with BethHaEtsel. I think it's in Micah. No one knows where it was. Perhaps the real pronunciation was BethHaAtzal, and has something to do with Azal. I have not yet been able to make a connection.

I just looked, Micah 1:11. The LXX translates it as 'the house next to her', i.e. Zaanan. Who knows? Not me.

It is symbolism and is indeed connected through the root word HSN#680 'atsal.

Zechariah 14:5 KJV
5. And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: [HSN#682 'Atsel] yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

BDB - Strong's Hebrew Definition for #0682
0682 // lua // 'Atsel // aw-tsale' //
from 0680 ;
AV - Azel 6, Azal 1; 7
Azal = "proximity: he has reserved"
n pr loc
1) a place near Jerusalem, site presently unknown
Azel = "reserved"
n pr m
2) (CLBL) a Benjamite descendant of Saul and Jonathan
http://www.apostolic-churches.net/bible/strongs/ref/?stgh=hebrew&stnm=0682

Perhaps the site is "presently unknown" because it is primarily typological in meaning:

Original Strong's Ref. #682
Romanized 'Atsel
Pronounced aw-tsale'
from HSN0680; noble; Atsel, the name of an Israelite, and of a place in Palestine:
KJV--Azal, Azel.

Original Strong's Ref. #680
Romanized 'atsal
Pronounced aw-tsal'
a primitive root; properly, to join; used only as a denominative from HSN0681; to separate; hence, to select, refuse, contract:
KJV--keep, reserve, straiten, take.

Original Strong's Ref. #681
Romanized 'etsel
Pronounced ay'-tsel
from HSN0680 (in the sense of joining); a side; (as a preposition) near:
KJV--at, (hard) by, (from) (beside), near (unto), toward, with. See also HSN1018.

Original Strong's Ref. #1018
Romanized Beyth ha-'etsel
Pronounced bayth haw-ay'-tsel
from HSN1004 and HSN0681 with the article interposed; house of the side; Beth-ha-Etsel, a place in Palestine:
KJV--Beth-ezel.

The prophets often use places, place-names, and locales for symbolism, (even kings and their nations like Nebuchadnezzar and Babylon). The same is true of Beth ha-'Etsel which is "Bethezel" in the KJV. The place-name Bethezel is mentioned only once, (in the passage which you have noted) and therefore in only one context and that context is the coming of "ha-Yoresh" or the Heir appointed:

Micah 1:8-15 OJB (Orthodox Jewish Bible)
8. Therefore I will weep and wail, I will go barefoot and arom (half-naked); I will wail like the jackals, and mourn like the ostriches.
9. For her wound is incurable; for it is come unto Yehudah; it is come unto the sha'ar ami (gate of my people) even to Yerushalayim.
10. Declare ye it not at Gat, weep ye not at all; at Beit L'aphrah (House of Dust) roll thyself in the aphar (dust).
11. Pass ye on your way, thou inhabitant of Shaphir, in nakedness and shame; the inhabitants of Tza'anan dare not come out. Beit-Ha'etzel is in mourning; it withdraws from you its support.
12. For the inhabitant of Marot waited anxiously for relief; but rah (evil) came down from Hashem unto the sha'ar Yerushalayim.
13. O thou inhabitant of Lachish, harness the merkavah to the swift horses; it was the reshit chattat (beginning of sin) to Bat Tziyon; for the transgressions of Yisroel were found in thee.
14. Therefore shalt thou give shilluchim (parting gifts) to Moreshet-Gat; the batim (houses) of Achziv shall be a deception to the melachim of Yisroel.
15. Yet will I bring HaYoresh (The Heir, the one who takes possession) unto thee, O inhabitant of Mareshah; the kavod Yisroel shall come unto Adullam.
http://ojb.scripturetext.com/micah/1.htm

Luke 23:26-31 KJV
26. And as they led him away, they laid hold upon one Simon, a Cyrenian, coming out of the country, and on him they laid the cross, that he might bear it after Jesus.
27. And there followed him a great company of people, and of women, which also bewailed and lamented him.
28. But Jesus turning unto them said, Daughters of Jerusalem, weep not for me, but weep for yourselves, and for your children.
29. For, behold, the days are coming, in the which they shall say, Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the paps which never gave suck.
30. Then shall they begin to say to the mountains, Fall on us; and to the hills, Cover us.
31. For if they do these things in a green tree, what shall be done in the dry?

How then does "Beth ha-Etsel" or "the House of the Side" pertain to Messiah?

John 19:34-35 KJV
34. But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water.
35. And he that saw it bare record, and his record is true: and he knoweth that he saith true, that ye might believe.

And the blood and the water testify, and this pertains to the "race" which we run as disciples for to enter into "the House of the Side". Yeshua took the curses of Torah upon himself in our place. The same curses are primarily written in the "Fifth Rib" (which is Deuteronomy the fifth book of the Lamb of God, the Word). However, there are seven ribs to the man, (and two "false ribs" below on a side) but the seventh rib has "three friends" not unlike Job, (thus the ribs are in appearance more like six ribs on a side with the seventh lower rib having "four wings" to the side).

Yeshua cuts the great WEEK of Sukkot-Tabernacles in half:

John 7:6-14 KJV (Sukkot-Tabernacles - John 7:2)
6. Then Jesus said unto them, My time is not yet come: but your time is alway ready.
7. The world cannot hate you; but me it hateth, because I testify of it, that the works thereof are evil.
8. Go ye up unto this feast: I go not up yet unto this feast; for my time is not yet full come.
9. When he had said these words unto them, he abode still in Galilee.
10. But when his brethren were gone up, then went he also up unto the feast, not openly, but as it were in secret.
11. Then the Jews sought him at the feast, and said, Where is he?
12. And there was much murmuring among the people concerning him: for some said, He is a good man: others said, Nay; but he deceiveth the people.
13. Howbeit no man spake openly of him for fear of the Jews.
14. Now about the midst of the feast Jesus went up into the temple, and taught.

Thus the week has already been cut short or "abridged" or there should be no flesh saved. This is because the PHYSICAL penalty of PHYSICAL death Yeshua took upon himself, in our place, and for our sakes. When Yeshua begins to disciple the believer it is therefore likened to the midst of the Feast which means also that we each begin at his feet in our own separate appointed times but the typology of that date is the midst of Sukkot, (yet it may now be anytime because he is no more bound under the physical constraints of the physical time domain in which the natural man walks). Thus we begin the running of "the race" or walk with Messiah and that race is placed by Paul, for good reason, in the Greek mindset of an arena or stadium, (1 Corinthians 9:24 "stadion") because, like Torah, it is cyclical.

When Yeshua gives the Great Invocation at the last Great Day of the feast of Sukkot he calls every man, woman, and child unto himself and into the kingdom of heaven:

John 7:37-38 KJV
37. In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.
38. He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

When a person enters into the Yeshua faith he or she begins to "run the race" and it is circular in its running, like in a stadium or arena. The "finish line" is, in typology, the beginning of the week of Sukkot-Tabernacles, 15 Tishri, because Yeshua already fulfilled the last half of the week in John 7 quoted above. The disciple of Messiah then runs the race toward the finish line "typology date" of 15 Tishri, (everything pertaining to the typology of that date will come to pass in that time). And from that appointment what remains are three days and the hemisu to the midst of the week. Yet the 15 Tishri appointment can come any time because Yeshua is now outside of our time domain constraints; no man knows the day or the hour of this appointment before its time. So the Master invites every man, woman, and child to enter into the kingdom in the last Great Day of the feast of Sukkot-Tabernacles and whenever a person hears that call and responds to the Gospel then the same has entered into the race. When he or she begins to come full circle, approaching the finish line, there are signs we have been given to watch for, (like birth pangs).

The stone tablets of the Ten Words-Decalogue were put INSIDE the Ark.
The Sefer Torah was placed "IN THE SIDE" of the Ark ~

Deuteronomy 31:24-26 KJV
24. And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished,
25. That Moses commanded the Levites, which bare the ark of the covenant of the Lord, saying,
26. Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.

guysmith · Mar 16, 2013

Afaithfulone4u,

You stated: Heavenly Jersusalem is the happy barren woman who will eventually come down and sit in Jerusalem on earth after the 1,000 clean up project done by the Groom who is Christ and His Holy Body144,000 12 tribes sons of God to prepare a place for her being The Bride. They are married to the Bride the City New Jerusalem.

My response: I agree. Because this is a different subject, I would like to continue this in a new thread.

Guy

Rex · Mar 16, 2013

guysmith said:
HeRoseFromtheDead,

Really, and where is the evidence of the earthquake and where is the river of life

Zechariah 14: 8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.

The earth quake
Matthew 27:51-53
51 Then, behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth quaked, and the rocks were split, 52 and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; 53 and coming out of the graves after His resurrection, they went into the holy city and appeared to many.
54 So
when the centurion and those with him, who were guarding Jesus, saw the
earthquake and the things that had happened, they feared greatly,
saying, “Truly this was the Son of God!”
Matthew 28:2

The river of Life
John 4:10
John 7:38-39

East and West
Into the sea
The east and the west have always been understood as having no beginning and no end, can also be seen in this verse as those before and those after "from Adam to Christ and from Christ forward".
North and south, If you go north you reach a point "N pole" where you begin to travel S again in any direction. East and West have no beginning or end you can travel east or west your entire life time.

Psalm 103:12
12 As far as the east is from the west,
So far has He removed our transgressions from us.

Micah 7:19 all our sins --->in to the sea
19 He will again have compassion on us,
And will subdue our iniquities. You will cast all our sins
Into the depths of the sea.

HeRoseFromTheDead · Mar 16, 2013

Rex said:
The earth quake
Matthew 27:51-53
51 Then, behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth quaked, and the rocks were split, ...

FYI, the Greek verb translated split in 'the rocks were split' in Matthew 27:51 is the same Greek verb translated split in the 'Mt of Olives will be split' in Zechariah 14:4 in the LXX. A better translation is rend, or tear apart. See Mystery of Azal in link below for more details.

guysmith · Mar 17, 2013

Rex,

So, you are stating that right now in there is a literal river which flows out of Jerusalem, a river which goes to the Dead Sea and the Mediteranean Sea?

HeRoseFromTheDead,

The split would travel from the Mount of Olive and extent through the old city of Jerusalem. The wall of the old city would have been extensively damaged due to the close proxcimity of the Mount of Olive to Jerusalem. The damage to the wall would still be present today not to mention the River of Life would still be flowing from Jerusalem (probably through this split) if this event had occured in the past.

Guy

HeRoseFromTheDead · Mar 17, 2013

guysmith said:
The split would travel from the Mount of Olive and extent through the old city of Jerusalem. The wall of the old city would have been extensively damaged due to the close proxcimity of the Mount of Olive to Jerusalem. The damage to the wall would still be present today not to mention the River of Life would still be flowing from Jerusalem (probably through this split) if this event had occured in the past.

You're laboring under a delusion resulting from a flawed translation. Zechariah 14:4 doesn't say that the Mt of Olives will be split in half forming a valley running east to west. It says that the western half of the mountain will tear apart (split) from its eastern half, which is exactly what's already happened during a landslide. If you are content with believing a myth, don't the click Mystery of Azal link below.

Rex · Mar 17, 2013

guysmith said:
Rex,

So, you are stating that right now in there is a literal river which flows out of Jerusalem, a river which goes to the Dead Sea and the Mediteranean Sea?

HeRoseFromTheDead,

The split would travel from the Mount of Olive and extent through the old city of Jerusalem. The wall of the old city would have been extensively damaged due to the close proxcimity of the Mount of Olive to Jerusalem. The damage to the wall would still be present today not to mention the River of Life would still be flowing from Jerusalem (probably through this split) if this event had occured in the past.

Guy

How could I be speaking of a natural river, your looking for a natural water way, I'm looking at the Spiritual water way,
I'm not looking nor are we supposed to be looking for any river but the river of life. Drink from Jacobs well that is where the woman meet Jesus and was introduced to the well of life, the living water source.

She to said in John 4:11 ......and now you to ask, where is this river?
11 “Sir,” the woman said, “you have nothing to draw with and the well is deep. Where can you get this living water?
12 Are you greater than our father Jacob, who gave us the well and drank from it himself, as did also his sons and his livestock?”

Eze 47:1-12
12 Fruit trees of all kinds will grow on both banks of the river. Their leaves will not wither, nor will their fruit fail. Every month they will bear fruit, because the water from the sanctuary flows to them. Their fruit will serve for food and their leaves for healing.”

Rev 22:1-5
Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb

John 4:10
John 7:38-39

daq · Mar 18, 2013

All one needs to have is at least the smallest grain of faith to see and believe the following:

Luke 24:4-7 KJV
4. And it came to pass, as they were much perplexed thereabout, behold, two men stood by them in shining garments:
5. And as they were afraid, and bowed down their faces to the earth, they said unto them, Why seek ye the living among the dead?
6. He is not here, but is risen: remember how he spake unto you when he was yet in Galilee,
7. Saying, The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again.

They were to go into Galilee where Yeshua would appear after his Resurrection:

Matthew 26:31-32 KJV
31. Then saith Jesus unto them, All ye shall be offended because of me this night: for it is written, I will smite the shepherd, and the sheep of the flock shall be scattered abroad.
32. But after I am risen again, I will go before you into Galilee.

Where then are the disciples in Acts 1 and where is the "Upper Room" ???

Acts 1:9-13 KJV
9. And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
10. And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;
11. Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
12. Then returned they unto Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, [GSN#1638 elaion] which is from Jerusalem a sabbath day's journey ["Sabbatou echon hodon" ~ "having-holding-following the Shabbat Way"].
13. And when they were come in, they went up into an upper room, where abode both Peter, and James, and John, and Andrew, Philip, and Thomas, Bartholomew, and Matthew, James the son of Alphaeus, and Simon Zelotes, and Judas the brother of James.

The "Shabbat Way" is probably more in reference to "the Way" rather than "a Sabbath day's journey" as is generally translated. The same word "hodos-hodon" is used by Paul when speaking of "the Way" which others called heresy. The Pharisees, Sadducees, and Scribes called those of the Way heretical mainly because everything was understood according to the Spirit, and the doctrines and teachings of Messiah which are Spirit, rather than the eyes of the flesh. Here also in this passage the KJV rightly notes the slight differences in the wording by translating the variant GSN#1638 "elaion" as "Olivet" rather than "Olives" which is employed elsewhere in the Gospel accounts. Although "oros", (mountain) appears in the text of Acts 1:12 the word "elaion" is not the same as that which is generally written in reference to the Mount of Olives, (i.e. Matthew 21:1, 24:3, 26:30, Mark 11:1, Luke 19:29, 19:37, 21:37, 22:39, John 8:1, and all other places where GSN#1636 "elaia" with its own plural form is found in the Gospel accounts). Acts 1:12 is the ONLY occurrence of GSN#1638 Elaion in all of the Greek New Testament and there is a beautiful reason for it if one has a little faith to believe that the disciples are actually where Yeshua told them to be at this time; and that was Galilee, at the great congregation "in the sides of the north", beautiful for situation: Zion-Jerusalem of ABOVE. And this is because the the Mount of Olives had now been "supernally split" through the Testimony of Yeshua, (and his death on the Cross) into "the mount of Olives" and "the mount now having called Olivet" which is to the north, in Galilee. This is exactly where Matthew records that they saw the Master after having been risen:

Matthew 28:10-16 KJV
10. Then said Jesus unto them, Be not afraid: go tell my brethren that they go into Galilee, and there shall they see me.
11. Now when they were going, behold, some of the watch came into the city, and shewed unto the chief priests all the things that were done.
12. And when they were assembled with the elders, and had taken counsel, they gave large money unto the soldiers,
13. Saying, Say ye, His disciples came by night, and stole him away while we slept.
14. And if this come to the governor's ears, we will persuade him, and secure you.
15. So they took the money, and did as they were taught: and this saying is commonly reported among the Jews until this day.
16. Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them.

guysmith · Mar 18, 2013

Rex,

So, what you are saying is that the river of life won't be a real river? And that this spiritual river won't really flow from Jerusalem and won't really heal the dead sea? And that the dead sea won't really be teaming with fish someday, because the river of life is just spiritual?

HeRoseFromTheDead · Mar 18, 2013

guysmith said:
And that the dead sea won't really be teaming with fish someday, because the river of life is just spiritual?

'just spiritual'? Don't you realize what you're saying. Spirit is the preeminent reality.

Rex · Mar 18, 2013

guysmith said:
Rex,

So, what you are saying is that the river of life won't be a real river? And that this spiritual river won't really flow from Jerusalem and won't really heal the dead sea? And that the dead sea won't really be teaming with fish someday, because the river of life is just spiritual?

It already took place, the Holy Spirit is that river that flowed from Christ. Look at John 7:38-39 Jesus said, as the scriptures have said rivers of living waters ...

Compare the verse with what took place around Jesus

Zechariah 14: 8 And
it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from
Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward
the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.

Rex said:
The earth quake
Matthew 27:51-53
51 Then, behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth quaked, and the rocks were split, 52 and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; 53 and coming out of the graves after His resurrection, they went into the holy city and appeared to many.
54 So
when the centurion and those with him, who were guarding Jesus, saw the
earthquake and the things that had happened, they feared greatly,
saying, “Truly this was the Son of God!”
Matthew 28:2

The river of Life
John 4:10
John 7:38-39

East and West
Into the sea
The east and the west have always been understood as having no beginning and no end, can also be seen in this verse as those before and those after "from Adam to Christ and from Christ forward".
North and south, If you go north you reach a point "N pole" where you begin to travel S again in any direction. East and West have no beginning or end you can travel east or west your entire life time.

Psalm 103:12
12 As far as the east is from the west,
So far has He removed our transgressions from us.

Micah 7:19 all our sins --->in to the sea
19 He will again have compassion on us,
And will subdue our iniquities. You will cast all our sins
Into the depths of the sea.

HeRoseFromTheDead · Mar 18, 2013

Rex said:
I

Zechariah 14: 8 And
it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from
Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward
the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.

Meaning that there will be no interruption (no dry season), i.e., eternal, and the waters of life will issue from the throne in the real Jerusalem, which is above, into all the world, symbolized by east and west (which are the only two directions water would have flowed from Jerusalem; to the Dead Sea and the Med. Sea).

Rex · Mar 18, 2013

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HeRoseFromTheDead said:
into all the world, symbolized by east and west (which are the only two directions water would have flowed from Jerusalem; to the Dead Sea and the Med. Sea).

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