Desolating Abomination

tgwprophet · Feb 15, 2013

But it is not the same altar that is your assumption, and i made no false accuasions - you added brazan into a part of scripture where brazan was not written... your assumption. Concerning the things you claimed of me.... those were outright lies on your part - unfortunately lies that could carry a harsh penalty - one i would rather not see imposed.... unless perhaps, you continue for it is not posssible for me to be who i am if what you claimed was true... fact.

Well dang, i was not going to leave and i was going to tell who the Two Witnesses are... but you all changes my mind... it is just not worth it being here wasting my words. all that are nice and wish to can contact me by my email... other than that... color me gone,

ENOCH2010 · Feb 15, 2013

Now you/all have done it,we will never find out who the 2 witnesses are

tgwprophet · Feb 16, 2013

Perhaps I am being too hasty to leave... i should probably wait until my blood sugar is under some kind of control. this is the first time i ever had it checked and it has been ( easy to know ) extemely high for many months if not years. So as much as I believe what i posted and saw posted against me seems valid... this sugar issue could be affecting me greatly. the doc waned immediate hospitalizarion. this is really not an excuse for even now I still feel i am correct... all but one thing... there may be more out here that would rather be allowed to discover what i can show.

So Foreigner, I am blaming this all on you! had you not told me i needed decaf - then maybe i would have never got diabeties... That is just humor and an attempt at truce Foreigner....please accept this as humor. I always liked you and never thought we would go at odds like this. Can you forgive me - if I was in any possible error or even close to it?

Because of this duress... I am going to do something ahead of schedule and could possibly get me kicked off this forum, but that will not alter the fact I am about to reveal only ths gifts i would like God to bestow through me.

This paragraph should give adequate reason - not to heckle me...
I am one of the Two Witnesses... I am the Teaching Witness even unto the other Witness. I never lied about my position but rather held back what i thought could hinder anyone. Accepting a prophet AS a prophet carries a prophets reward... please greatly consider this as it humbles my position. For if your reward is as great as mine then you are elevated to my level ( by your acceptance without seeing - i think )- or I am lowered to your level, but we then are much closer to peirs. A rich man would never want to do this to those around him as then his wealth is diminished to the leveel of those around him. But a true man of God would consider this a righteous and acceptable thing. Consider that you will not find anyone else claiming things that elevate themsleves to be shown to evevate others to elevate them to my level. So, when YOU teach me YOU have become my pier as i am your pier and I believe that a great thing. This is my humility and it is geniune. Jesus is my LORD sand God is my Father - period I am one of the Two Witnesses - thus saith (showeth - since it was given in a vision) the Lord God. If I have lied about this then my end should be Hell. Man does not live by bread alone, but by his words - and these are my words.

My prayer would be that one seeks, in prayer or receives a vision or dream from God or Jesus for this validity and I humbly ask God to reveal this truth to you all. of course, after acceptance or God's Will...Amen.

If one really studies the posts I gave considering the Two Witnesses one should easliy find my words un-like any others that claimed the same. Simply, that is becasue they knew not these words for thier orgins were not from God,

Later, I would like to show the vision I was given by God depicting his meaning that I am a Witness. And the teacher Witnesses. As well as it was given by God that I select the other Witness - from a very short list.

If denial without proof or evidence is the prevalent nature of this forums desire... then I should leave this forum. God spared many for the sake of one righteous man... i am righteous only through Jesus my Saviour and it is my wish truth in this matter can be understood and accepted in this forum. But the righteous man of which I speak is a member willing to accer a propht.

Remember if you are adamant in your belief that I must be in error over any understanding of ancient propheecies... I am not here to be about ancient prophecies but rather coming prophecies and those prophecies will come from God, not from my opinions.

daq · Feb 16, 2013

terry said:
But it is not the same altar that is your assumption, and i made no false accuasions - you added brazan into a part of scripture where brazan was not written... your assumption. Concerning the things you claimed of me.... those were outright lies on your part - unfortunately lies that could carry a harsh penalty - one i would rather not see imposed.... unless perhaps, you continue for it is not posssible for me to be who i am if what you claimed was true... fact.

Well dang, i was not going to leave and i was going to tell who the Two Witnesses are... but you all changes my mind... it is just not worth it being here wasting my words. all that are nice and wish to can contact me by my email... other than that... color me gone,

ENOCH2010 said:
Now you/all have done it,we will never find out who the 2 witnesses are

Red bold emphasis mine:

terry said:
Perhaps I am being too hasty to leave... i should probably wait until my blood sugar is under some kind of control. this is the first time i ever had it checked and it has been ( easy to know ) extemely high for many months if not years. So as much as I believe what i posted and saw posted against me seems valid... this sugar issue could be affecting me greatly. the doc waned immediate hospitalizarion. this is really not an excuse for even now I still feel i am correct... all but one thing... there may be more out here that would rather be allowed to discover what i can show.

So Foreigner, I am blaming this all on you! had you not told me i needed decaf - then maybe i would have never got diabeties... That is just humor and an attempt at truce Foreigner....please accept this as humor. I always liked you and never thought we would go at odds like this. Can you forgive me - if I was in any possible error or even close to it?

Because of this duress... I am going to do something ahead of schedule and could possibly get me kicked off this forum, but that will not alter the fact I am about to reveal only ths gifts i would like God to bestow through me.

This paragraph should give adequate reason - not to heckle me...
I am one of the Two Witnesses... I am the Teaching Witness even unto the other Witness. I never lied about my position but rather held back what i thought could hinder anyone. Accepting a prophet AS a prophet carries a prophets reward... please greatly consider this as it humbles my position. For if your reward is as great as mine then you are elevated to my level ( by your acceptance without seeing - i think )- or I am lowered to your level, but we then are much closer to peirs. A rich man would never want to do this to those around him as then his wealth is diminished to the leveel of those around him. But a true man of God would consider this a righteous and acceptable thing. Consider that you will not find anyone else claiming things that elevate themsleves to be shown to evevate others to elevate them to my level. So, when YOU teach me YOU have become my pier as i am your pier and I believe that a great thing. This is my humility and it is geniune. Jesus is my LORD sand God is my Father - period I am one of the Two Witnesses - thus saith (showeth - since it was given in a vision) the Lord God. If I have lied about this then my end should be Hell. Man does not live by bread alone, but by his words - and these are my words.

My prayer would be that one seeks, in prayer or receives a vision or dream from God or Jesus for this validity and I humbly ask God to reveal this truth to you all. of course, after acceptance or God's Will...Amen.

If one really studies the posts I gave considering the Two Witnesses one should easliy find my words un-like any others that claimed the same. Simply, that is becasue they knew not these words for thier orgins were not from God,

Later, I would like to show the vision I was given by God depicting his meaning that I am a Witness. And the teacher Witnesses. As well as it was given by God that I select the other Witness - from a very short list.

If denial without proof or evidence is the prevalent nature of this forums desire... then I should leave this forum. God spared many for the sake of one righteous man... i am righteous only through Jesus my Saviour and it is my wish truth in this matter can be understood and accepted in this forum. But the righteous man of which I speak is a member willing to accer a propht.

Remember if you are adamant in your belief that I must be in error over any understanding of ancient propheecies... I am not here to be about ancient prophecies but rather coming prophecies and those prophecies will come from God, not from my opinions.

You are not just "one of the two witnesses" but both because your conscience is your accuser and appears with you every time you present yourself before the Most High so as to accuse you. And when you finally begin to resist temptation and sin, (shall it be unto blood?) then shall there be a war in your heavens; and your accuser shall be cast out of your heavens: Woe! be unto the permanent dwellers upon your earth at that time! The one you think you speak to here is not who you think he is but rather speaks to you in love because he has already been where you are. And this is where you are, "O king"...

Daniel 4:13-16 KJV
13. I saw in the visions of my head upon my bed, and, behold, a watcher and an holy one came down from heaven;
14. He cried aloud, and said thus, Hew down the tree, and cut off his branches, shake off his leaves, and scatter his fruit: let the beasts get away from under it, and the fowls from his branches:
15. Nevertheless leave the stump of his roots in the earth, even with a band of iron and brass, in the tender grass of the field; and let it be wet with the dew of heaven, and let his portion be with the beasts in the grass of the earth:
16. Let his heart be changed from man's, and let a beast's heart be given unto him; and let seven times pass over him.

The man is given the heart of a lion-like beast and the lion-like beast has been given the heart of a man:

Daniel 7:4 KJV
4. The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it.

For whatsoever proceeds out of the mouth comes forth from the heart ~
Therefore the lion-like beast of the heart of the man is revealed by his mouth:

Revelation 13:2 KJV
2. And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

Once upon a commencement there was as it were a son of the prophets named Mordak who served the Most High. And this one prayed on his knees three times daily, even tamiyd-continually, and whensoever else he chambered in chamber. One day a great law was passed in all the land so that no man should be allowed to petition any god for a chronos of thirty days. Yet Mordak himself served not the gods of the heathen, (which are no gods at all) but served only the Most High Creator of the heavens and the earth and and all that is therein. So at the commencement of the thirty days law banning the petitioning of any god this Mordak went into his inner chamber to chamber as he did in times past; opening his windows toward Yerushalem of above, and settling himself to his knees he began to petition the Most High. And while he was in the midst of his petitions there came and perched a raven at the sill of the window; and the raven spied the trespass of the new law of the land. And immediately upon this sight the ravenous watcher went out, going to and fro, for to gather his associates and accuse Mordak to the king and have him cast into the den of lions. In the selfsame day came the archons of the kingdom to bind Mordak; and when they had bound him, they took him away and cast him into the den of lions. But the Most High did hear the petitions of his servant; and the Most High harkened to the prayer of Mordak, and likewise were all of these things pre-ordered toward the good and better end. So the Most High sent the Mal'ak of his presence to enter the den of the lions with Mordak and shut the mouths of the lions. And when the lions looked upon Mordak they saw a great lioness; no different from themselves, and neither did they smell the smell of a man, and so they left off from the servant of the Most High and the man stayed the night as one of the lions. And the Mal'ak of the Most High said unto Mordak: Behold, the Most High did say; I will sow the house of Israel and the house of Judah with the seed of man, and with the seed of beast: And now seeing thou hast been given the heart of a lioness take heed to thyself; for from the time that the tamiyd is cut off, til the setting up of a desolating abomination, the days are a thousand two hundred and ninety! Yet this was a thing which slipped on by the happy Mordak; for at that time he was elated simply to have survived to be alive, and he returned to his house thinking to have overcome all the wiles of the ravens and the window watchers of his great city. And it came to pass in those first thirty days, since the time when the tamiyd was first taken away, that not only had Mordak become as a lion-like man but the same began to wield a new found strength like as the power in the arms of a she-bear robbed of her cubs; likewise the wisdom of the man began to flourish like the rainbow of spots which are found on the coat a dazzling white leopard. So brilliant was the leopard-like wisdom of the man that the leopard herself was given dominion forty two months; the same are a thousand two hundred and sixty days.

Wherefore, O king, let my counsel be acceptable unto thee, and break off thy sins by righteousness, and thine iniquities by showing mercy to the poor; if it may be a lengthening of thy tranquility.

tgwprophet · Feb 16, 2013

Daq wrote: " You are not just "one of the two witnesses" but both because your conscience is your accuser and appears with you every time you present yourself before the Most High so as to accuse you. And when you finally begin to resist temptation and sin, (shall it be unto blood?) then shall there be a war in your heavens; and your accuser shall be cast out of your heavens: Woe! be unto the permanent dwellers upon your earth at that time! The one you think you speak to here is not who you think he is but rather speaks to you in love because he has already been where you are. And this is where you are, "O king"... "

Exactly what are you tryin to say?

Foreigner · Feb 16, 2013

terry said:
Perhaps I am being too hasty to leave... i should probably wait until my blood sugar is under some kind of control. this is the first time i ever had it checked and it has been ( easy to know ) extemely high for many months if not years. So as much as I believe what i posted and saw posted against me seems valid... this sugar issue could be affecting me greatly. the doc waned immediate hospitalizarion. this is really not an excuse for even now I still feel i am correct... all but one thing... there may be more out here that would rather be allowed to discover what i can show.

So Foreigner, I am blaming this all on you! had you not told me i needed decaf - then maybe i would have never got diabeties... That is just humor and an attempt at truce Foreigner....please accept this as humor. I always liked you and never thought we would go at odds like this. Can you forgive me - if I was in any possible error or even close to it?

-- Terry, you owe me no apology. We are not at odds. You are a good man.
Disagreement does not mean anything except that agreement hasn't been reached yet.

tgwprophet · Feb 16, 2013

Foreigner. your words are wiser than I figured and becasue they are wiser than I figured - I take a second seat to you. God Bless
You grew an inch in my eyes! I throughly love it when I get the chance to retract my anger...

For YOUR words I squelched my anger to Daq.

daq · Feb 16, 2013

terry said:
Daq wrote: " You are not just "one of the two witnesses" but both because your conscience is your accuser and appears with you every time you present yourself before the Most High so as to accuse you. And when you finally begin to resist temptation and sin, (shall it be unto blood?) then shall there be a war in your heavens; and your accuser shall be cast out of your heavens: Woe! be unto the permanent dwellers upon your earth at that time! The one you think you speak to here is not who you think he is but rather speaks to you in love because he has already been where you are. And this is where you are, "O king"... "

Exactly what are you tryin to say?

How can it be that such a one claiming to be "one of the two witnesses" cannot converse in the Word? which is to speak in Messiah who is the Word? Likewise how can such a one who claims to be "one of the two witnesses" expect those who know to believe him when the same does not even appear to understand that his own conscience is his garment-raiment-covering?

Acts 24:13-16 KJV
13. Neither can they prove the things whereof they now accuse me.
14. But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:
15. And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.
16. And herein do I exercise myself, to have always a conscience void of offence toward God, and toward men.

Romans 2:15-16 KJV
15. Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another

16. In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

Romans 9:1 KJV
1. I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost,

Titus 1:15-16 KJV
15. Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.
16. They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

1 Timothy 1:19-20 KJV
19. Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck:
20. Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme.

1 Timothy 4:1-2 KJV
1. Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
2. Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

Your conscience is not only "a witness" in the presence of the Most High, (either for or against you) but also it is likened to a garment, raiment, or covering. In an allegory of sins and transgressions "wool" is to fine linens what "leaven" is to bread because wool in the garment would cause a priest to "sweat", "bind up", or "fidget" (become "itchy and twitchy") before the Most High in the same way as does the guilty conscience, ("But if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him" Hebrews 10:38). Likewise if the conscience-garment of a disciple is defiled when the Master returns then the garment-raiment-covering will be set on fire and "burned to the ground", (Revelation 17).

Revelation 3:4-5 KJV
4. Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.
5. He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

Revelation 16:15 KJV
15. Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

tgwprophet · Feb 17, 2013

You are drawing assumptions from where you know too little or nothing at all You have the ordacity to think that id my learend path does not follow your learned path that makes you right? And being a prrophet and a Witnesses - if it is needed Gow will ceertainly provide it - and you do not know this???? next you think you can tell whart is IN MY .heart... it is best you keep your words to yourself and let peolple think you incompetant than to display them so all can see your incompetence.

daq · Feb 17, 2013

terry said:
You are drawing assumptions from where you know too little or nothing at all You have the ordacity to think that id my learend path does not follow your learned path that makes you right? And being a prrophet and a Witnesses - if it is needed Gow will ceertainly provide it - and you do not know this???? next you think you can tell whart is IN MY .heart... it is best you keep your words to yourself and let peolple think you incompetant than to display them so all can see your incompetence.

I do like the way this forum works in that everything you have stated is written above and cannot be deleted or altered after the fact whether someone else has quoted you or not. It is plain for anyone who reads the thread that you are the one who first insinuated that I had done the same thing as Eve, (who was clearly deceived by the serpent, the devil, the wicked one, the Satan). Then it was you again who stated that you should be telling me: "Get thee behind me Satan" but instead you were "putting that on hold" (is that supposed to be your version of showing mercy? Am I no longer on your "short list" to be your helper witness?). The only thing you have accomplished here is to derail the thread making it personal about yourself -vs- myself rather than truly delving into and discussing the topic. It is you that has revealed what is in your heart by your own words; I did not ask you to do any such thing but that is what can happen when you attempt to condemn your brother while thinking you do the will of God. And even now you have continued revealing your heart by stating that you perceive yourself to have been chosen as "one of the two witnesses" (and asking others to seek God about it in the quote below). Yet when I oblige your direction of discussion about yourself still yet the more you continue tendering accusations so as to justify yourself before men, (which is abomination in the sight of God: see Luke 16:15 KJV quoted in Post#1 above).

terry said:
I am one of the Two Witnesses - thus saith (showeth - since it was given in a vision) the Lord God. If I have lied about this then my end should be Hell. Man does not live by bread alone, but by his words - and these are my words.

My prayer would be that one seeks, in prayer or receives a vision or dream from God or Jesus for this validity and I humbly ask God to reveal this truth to you all. of course, after acceptance or God's Will...Amen.

If one really studies the posts I gave considering the Two Witnesses one should easliy find my words un-like any others that claimed the same. Simply, that is becasue they knew not these words for thier orgins were not from God,

Later, I would like to show the vision I was given by God depicting his meaning that I am a Witness. And the teacher Witnesses. As well as it was given by God that I select the other Witness - from a very short list.

It is a wonderful thing to be released from such a burden as this. You see my own mother and father who begat me thrust me through for prophesying. And although that may sound as if it were a bitter end it was rather as a matter of fact a whole new beginning, (if indeed one overcomes in his appointed hour of trial and does not end up a "castaway fish" twice dead). And when you arrive there, and you will, and if so be that you come to understand to whom this mother and father pertain: Then shall your land mourn, every family apart; as the family of the house of Nathan apart, and their wives apart. In that day may you be able to say as I now say: "No more a prophet am I; but a tiller of the 'adamah am I, for the Son of man purchased me from my youth!" And one shall say to the man who was to be a prophet: "What are these makkowt between your hands and in your heart?" And the one who once thought he was a prophet will answer: "Those of my Patmos, my Killing, for I was struck down in the house of my friends". And the former prophet shall no more wear an 'addereth of rough hair.

Zechariah 13:7-9 KJV
7. Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that is my fellow, saith the Lord of hosts: smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered: and I will turn mine hand upon the little ones.
8. And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.
9. And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God.

Matthew 26:31-34 KJV
31. Then saith Jesus unto them, All ye shall be offended because of me this night: for it is written, I will smite the shepherd, and the sheep of the flock shall be scattered abroad.
32. But after I am risen again, I will go before you into Galilee.
33. Peter answered and said unto him, Though all men shall be offended because of thee, yet will I never be offended.
34. Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, That this night, before the cock crow, thou shalt deny me thrice.

Prophet you still have the trial by fire to be brought through and two of your paniym-countenances will not survive ...

Brothertom said:
The Abomination that makes desolate is a person, a man.

"And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to continue for forty-two months.
Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven.
It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them.
And authority was given him over every tribe, tongue, and nation."

Whoever does not worship him as Yahweh/Allah...will be killed

"Then the sixth angel poured out his bowl on the great river Euphrates, and its water was dried up, so that the way of the kings from the east might be prepared. And I saw three unclean spirits like frtcher bullogs coming out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the BEAST and out of the mouth of the FALSE PROPHET. For they are spirits of demons, performing signs, which go out to the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty."

He will set up a temple worship in Jerusalem, possibly at the Dome of the Rock....declaring himself to be God while cruelly blaspheming Christ Jesus...& the making desolate...is murdering everyone who will not worship him. Also...he will butcher everyone on Earth of Jewish blood....& this is why he marches on Israel....& the Lord gathers him to the valley of Miggido, just below Mt. Carmel. Murder, Jihad will come upon the entire Earth....& it is God who allows this beast to test the Earth....& believe it or not, coming to a Walmart near you.

He will control a new World-Wide money system, & the mark of the Beast will only be given to those who worship him, & you cannot buy food, water, heating energy & essentials without this mark...& this will last 42 months...at least.

“Behold, I am coming as a thief. Blessed is he who watches, and keeps his garments, lest he walk naked and they see his shame.”

And they gathered them together to the place called in Hebrew, Armageddon."

THE END OF THE ABOMINATION....
The beast was seized, and with him the false prophet who performed the signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image; these two were thrown alive into the lake of fire which burns with brimstone.

And the rest were killed with the sword which came from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse, and all the birds were filled with their flesh."

JESUS WINS....of course.

Hi "Brothertom" ~ Did I read elsewhere that you also are somewhat of a "prophet"? Someone else here appears to have a "short list" and looks to be seeking out an agreeable "co-witness" but I sure hope you do not also breathe fire.

The Desolating Abomination is indeed "a man" for the same is the "son of perdition" and the LAWLESS one. However, which genos-kind of man is he? Is he an anthropon-man-faced-ops-countenance or is he an aner-andres-mortal-man? There is the soul of the man, which is likened to the andres-man, and then there are the countenances of a man which are his anthropon-man-faced countenances and they are "transient" even the same as spirit:

The ground of a certain wealthy anthropon-man-faced brought forth abundantly; and he reasoned within himself, saying, "What shall I do, for I have not room where to gather up my fruits?" And so said he, "This will I do: I will raze my granaries, and greater shall I build! And there will I gather up all of my grains and goodness. And I will say to my soul: Soul, thou hast much goodness laid up for many years; take thine ease, eat, drink, and be merry." But the Most High said unto him, "Aphron! This night thy soul shall they demand back from thee: but what you have prepared, to whom shall it fall?" Therefore beware the anthropon-man-faced-countenance; for they will deliver you up to the Sanhedrins, and they will scourge you in their Synagogues; and you shall be brought before governors and kings for the sake of Messiah Yeshua for a testimony against them and the heathen. The same heathen are the seven heathen nations greater and mightier than the children of Israel listed in Deuteronomy 7:1 KJV and the same are the seven mountains of Revelation 17:9 KJV ...

tgwprophet · Feb 17, 2013

YOU CONTINOISLY PROVE TO BE NOT WORTH MY TIME...
For some dumb reason you tend to believe thatthat path you fowwow must be the path I must follow without the assistance of God providing me the words.... The Two Witnesses --- me and aanother will be given those words when the time is right and if they are needed. this means you have no concept of revelation chapter 11. Yet without ANY ionderstanding of how this works - you coentend I do not know - or cannot know or will not know - and that is very foolish attack on your part... i tell you then to hold you tongue that you do not become what your attack is.uu

Notice I speak in plain understandable English - there is a reason for that as well.... for if the Two Witnesses spoke in ancient languages or languages not of thei time...people woild not understand ut and have no chance for redemption. So if you cannot forward your opinion in consice direct todays understanding them please just shut up - you are not worth the effort.

daq · Feb 17, 2013

terry said:
YOU CONTINOISLY PROVE TO BE NOT WORTH MY TIME...
For some dumb reason you tend to believe thatthat path you fowwow must be the path I must follow without the assistance of God providing me the words.... The Two Witnesses --- me and aanother will be given those words when the time is right and if they are needed. this means you have no concept of revelation chapter 11. Yet without ANY ionderstanding of how this works - you coentend I do not know - or cannot know or will not know - and that is very foolish attack on your part... i tell you then to hold you tongue that you do not become what your attack is.uu

Notice I speak in plain understandable English - there is a reason for that as well.... for if the Two Witnesses spoke in ancient languages or languages not of thei time...people woild not understand ut and have no chance for redemption. So if you cannot forward your opinion in consice direct todays understanding them please just shut up - you are not worth the effort.

O prophet, only this one thread have I commenced here in your domain! Am I not allowed to have a voice in the dominion of your kingdom? Beware lest you end up like your fathers the Pharisees, Sadducees, and Scribes, who slew Zechariah son of Berechiah between the altar and the naos-temple. And how is it that the Pharisees, Sadducees, and Scribes of the time of Yeshua could have murdered Zechariah between the altar and the naou when the prophet himself lived some 450 years before their time? Is it not because they cut off his voice and forcefully misinterpreted his words? Yes, indeed, it was for this reason that the Master states the case against them:

Matthew 23:32-35 KJV
32. Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
33. Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
34. Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
35. That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew [GSN#5407 phoneuo] between the temple [GSN#3485 naos] and the altar.

Matthew 23:35 TUA (Transliterated Unaccented Bible)
35. Hopos elthe efhumas pan haima dikaion ekchunnomenon epi tes ges, apotou haimatos Habel tou dikaiou heos tou haimatos Zachariou huiou Barachiou, hon efoneusate metaxu tou naou kai tou thusiasteriou!

Original Strong's Ref. #3485
Romanized naos
Pronounced nah-os'
from a primary naio (to dwell); a fane, shrine, temple:
KJV--shrine, temple. Comp GSN2411.

Original Strong's Ref. #5407
Romanized phoneuo
Pronounced fon-yoo'-o
from GSN5406; to be a murderer (of):
KJV--kill, do murder, slay.

Original Strong's Ref. #5408
Romanized phonos
Pronounced fon'-os
from an obsolete primary pheno (to slay); murder:
KJV--murder, + be slain with, slaughter.

Matthew 23:35
35. That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zechariah son of Berechiah, whom ye murdered between the naou-dwelling and the altar.

Messiah Yeshua is he that searches the reins and hearts, (Revelation 2:23 KJV) and the heart is therefore the seat and throne of both David and the Son of man Yeshua Messiah. So they were guilty of murdering the prophet Zechariah son of Berechiah even though he lived some 450 years before their time. And this they did because they slit his throat when they cut off his voice through forcefully misinterpreting his words and hiding the true meanings of his writings. Thus they slew him between the altar of the heart and the naou of the mind which is created to be the throne of the Most High; for the Most High hath said that he will dwell in the thick darkness of `araphel, (2 Chronicles 6:1 KJV).

Therefore the murder-death-kill that the wicked one practices does not have to be physical killing: for as the Master states, and has already been quoted herein from the previous page; the murder-death-killing comes forth from the heart:

AGAIN:

Matthew 15:18-20 KJV
18. But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
19. For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, [GSN#5408 phonos] adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:
20. These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.

THEREFORE:

1 John 3:11-15 KJV
11. For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.
12. Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.
13. Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you.
14. We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.
15. Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

So do I get to keep my voice dear prophet? Yea, or naou?

tgwprophet · Feb 17, 2013

Daq... this could be the last chance for you to be clear on your stance... for If I must continually wade through the obscurity if your posts, I will most likely begin ignoring them. I would rather be assisting you in understanding me and me ubdetsyanding you..

You seem incapable of expressing yourself in plain english... Come out with your thoughs ib plain english be they questions or accusasions. I accuse you of delibrate effort in obscuring you meanings. My words allow you to readily know where I stand and what I think about you. I would like yoou to do the sane that i may properly access your stance,

The theme is simple... and so answer these 4 questions - i made them easy.... yes/no.... yes- but=no no, but =yes
1 - Are you dening me as a Witness and Prophet?
2 - Are you claiing me or my heart is evl?
3 - Do you think you have the right to tell me what is in my heart or mind?
4 - Say for a minute I am who I claim to be... with that I have a gift... that gift is.. anyone who accepts a prophet as a prophet receives a prophet's reward. If I do not allow others to know I am a prophet they cannot accept me and so - receives no prophet's reward. If they are told and accepts me - then they receive the same reward I receive. This does not elevate me, but rather those who accepts and does NOT elevate me in any way. For denying me does not disqualify nor hinder my position at all. So... do you really think attacking me is a good idea?

I am doing my best to allow you to understand that associating me with "evil" in any manner is not a good thing, but rather an evil thing. I have in this forum stated that I condone skeptisism as there are so many claiming false postions. I have offered to reveal the Two Witnesses if one can produce a proper test. Now I have stated that I am one of the Witnesses. Your idea of a test is no less than denial mixed with false accuasions and redicule, mixed with distorted use of scripture.. Denial without proof or evidence is worthless for judgement and evil for wroks. For the sake of compassion for my fellow brothers, I am backing up and then tempering mywords and anger and therefore will allow you the chance to do the same.

You think by questioning me in realms maybe you understand rightfully in areas of your study allows you atack me. But if those are not my area of study, you thibk that dis-qualifies me as a prophet? That is infantile wisdom. Understand this... God often unstructed prophet to give no thought as to what they would say for the Lord God would give the words. Then read Revelation 11 and tell me when the Lord my God will give me the words.

now, answer the 4 questions clear and concise.

ARNIE... IF YOU READ THIS..CHECK YOU MAIL PLEASE AND LET ME KNOW YOU READ IT

Arnie Manitoba · Feb 17, 2013

Daq ..... can you not simply reply with a couple of sentences and in your own words ?

Are you even capable ?

Your endlessly huge copy and pastes are not worth wading through and do not give you any credibility

besides they are a waste of space and clutter up the forum .

Differing of opinions are not the issue ..... you are welcome to believe whatever you want ..... just state it clearly , briefly , and in your own words .

daq · Feb 17, 2013

terry said:
Daq... this could be the last chance for you to be clear on your stance... for If I must continually wade through the obscurity if your posts, I will most likely begin ignoring them. I would rather be assisting you in understanding me and me ubdetsyanding you..

You seem incapable of expressing yourself in plain english... Come out with your thoughs ib plain english be they questions or accusasions. I accuse you of delibrate effort in obscuring you meanings. My words allow you to readily know where I stand and what I think about you. I would like yoou to do the sane that i may properly access your stance,

The theme is simple... and so answer these 4 questions - i made them easy.... yes/no.... yes- but=no no, but =yes
1 - Are you dening me as a Witness and Prophet?
2 - Are you claiing me or my heart is evl?
3 - Do you think you have the right to tell me what is in my heart or mind?
4 - Say for a minute I am who I claim to be... with that I have a gift... that gift is.. anyone who accepts a prophet as a prophet receives a prophet's reward. If I do not allow others to know I am a prophet they cannot accept me and so - receives no prophet's reward. If they are told and accepts me - then they receive the same reward I receive. This does not elevate me, but rather those who accepts and does NOT elevate me in any way. For denying me does not disqualify nor hinder my position at all. So... do you really think attacking me is a good idea?

I am doing my best to allow you to understand that associating me with "evil" in any manner is not a good thing, but rather an evil thing. I have in this forum stated that I condone skeptisism as there are so many claiming false postions. I have offered to reveal the Two Witnesses if one can produce a proper test. Now I have stated that I am one of the Witnesses. Your idea of a test is no less than denial mixed with false accuasions and redicule, mixed with distorted use of scripture.. Denial without proof or evidence is worthless for judgement and evil for wroks. For the sake of compassion for my fellow brothers, I am backing up and then tempering mywords and anger and therefore will allow you the chance to do the same.

You think by questioning me in realms maybe you understand rightfully in areas of your study allows you atack me. But if those are not my area of study, you thibk that dis-qualifies me as a prophet? That is infantile wisdom. Understand this... God often unstructed prophet to give no thought as to what they would say for the Lord God would give the words. Then read Revelation 11 and tell me when the Lord my God will give me the words.

now, answer the 4 questions clear and concise.

ARNIE... IF YOU READ THIS..CHECK YOU MAIL PLEASE AND LET ME KNOW YOU READ IT

Arnie Manitoba said:
Daq ..... can you not simply reply with a couple of sentences and in your own words ?

Are you even capable ?

Your endlessly huge copy and pastes are not worth wading through and do not give you any credibility

besides they are a waste of space and clutter up the forum .

Differing of opinions are not the issue ..... you are welcome to believe whatever you want ..... just state it clearly , briefly , and in your own words .

From the beginning of this thread the perspective was made clear. Is it my fault that apparently not one responding here can understand what has been said? And why must everything be twisted into a debate over ego -vs- ego between the brethren? It is not "your ego" -vs- "my ego" or anyone else's ego that matters but rather the Word should be the authority in all things when it comes to the great congregation of the saints. If you do not believe the Word of the Master then why would you believe anything from any of his servants? You must believe the Word and his doctrine first and foremost:

AGAIN FROM PAGE ONE:

Luke 17:20-21 KJV
20. And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
21. Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

Revelation 19:10 KJV
10. And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

ALSO TORAH AND PROPHETS IS THIS:

Matthew 7:7-12 KJV
7. Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
8. For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
9. Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone?
10. Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent?
11. If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?
12. Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

AND IN ADDITION TO PAGE ONE:

John 3:3-8 KJV
3. Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4. Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5. Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
8. The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

John 3:8 YGB-YLT (Young's Literal Translation)
8. the Spirit where he willeth doth blow, and his voice thou dost hear, but thou hast not known whence he cometh, and whither he goeth; thus is every one who hath been born of the Spirit.'

John 18:36 KJV
36. Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

John 6:62-63 KJV
62. What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?
63. It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Did the disciples see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?
Yes, they did, as recorded in Luke 24:51 and Acts 1:9 …

But if one does not believe the Master then how will the same believe his servants?

Romans 8:4-14 KJV
4. That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5. For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9. But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10. And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11. But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12. Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13. For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14. For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

2 Corinthians 5:16-17 KJV
16. Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.
17. Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Which of you from the accusers here is truly born from above?
And which of you rightly convicts anyone of transgression?
And which of you is truly born a son into the Kingdom?

THIS WHAT IT MEANS TO BECOME A NEW CREATION SON:

Revelation 21:3-7 KJV
3. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5. And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
6. And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
7. He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

"The Spirit where he willeth doth blow, and his voice thou dost hear, but thou hast not known whence he cometh, and whither he goeth; thus is every one who hath been born of the Spirit"…

tgwprophet · Feb 18, 2013

Daq you did not answer one single question i asked....
you are proving yourself to be no more that an troll....
ANSWER THE 4 QUESTIONS OR JUST MUTE YOURSELF

The theme is simple... and so answer these 4 questions - i made them easy.... yes/no.... yes- but=no no, but =yes
1 - Are you dening me as a Witness and Prophet?
2 - Are you claiing me or my heart is evl?
3 - Do you think you have the right to tell me what is in my heart or mind?
4 - Say for a minute I am who I claim to be... with that I have a gift... that gift is.. anyone who accepts a prophet as a prophet receives a prophet's reward. If I do not allow others to know I am a prophet they cannot accept me and so - receives no prophet's reward. If they are told and accepts me - then they receive the same reward I receive. This does not elevate me, but rather those who accepts and does NOT elevate me in any way. For denying me does not disqualify nor hinder my position at all. So... do you really think attacking me is a good idea?

Arnie Manitoba · Feb 18, 2013

Another ten mile long post by daq

I think I will put you on my ignore list.

It would sure save a lot of scrolling past your endless copy and pastes

What .... do you think we dont have bibles or something ?? ..... Do you think that whoever quotes the most scripture wins the religious war ?

Can you not speak for yourself or articulate your position in your own words ?

tgwprophet · Feb 18, 2013

Arnie... i think this guy just don't get it... he attacking people like none of us here love God, he can't answer simple questions but ignores tham,and just bombards the thread with scripture...like he doesn't know we could do the same. Then he is even taking some scripture out of context.

Arnie - how do you put someone on ignore? First though, I would like another attempt at bringing Daq into a realm we can converse on without any hostility, even if we are adamantly in dis-agreement...

Daq.... I really would like to get things straight between is ...so allow this understanding... If i neve said anything in anger then I could never re-tract it - even if or though it was right... thus displaying my humbleness. To me Humblee is a muscle and the more you excersize it the stronger and truer it becomes. I have often made mistakes in this forum and retracted anger i expressed in posts because I am sincerely trying to strenghten this muscle i call humble.

when you read Revelation 11 and understand the dire things I as a Witnesses will and sometimes must do... remember this...it is my sincere wish that i cause pain to no one. Hurting people is against my heart - God knows this, yet I will do what is asked of me. This is becasue I see so much evil in the world. Governments that for some foolish reason think they are above those that provide their life style for them. Here is an example and it is true too... of how much I do not like hurting anyone. I can barely watch shows involving accidents such as America's Funniest Videos --- for years now when someone falls from a ladder, gets a softball to the groin or such things... it causes me pain... The pain you feel when you see one of your children take a fall... that quick sharp pain - that goes away quick as it came. I hope i expressed it well enough. Here is the "kicker" i can re-wind that un-expected moment on video and re-play it just moments later and that pain returns - no matter how many times i re-wind it.

With this.... Please explain why God would choose a Witness that liked giving pain to others - though they deserved and needed it?

My job as a Witnessesis to be a warrior ((one of two) paving the way for the Lion of God. I could only hope to be as passive, loving and good as Jesus was when he walked the earth as God manifest. But - alas I could not even come close to the nature of Jesus.. But I can be a warrior for him and my job therefore is to WAKE up the World that it has a chance to see the impending perils ahead. The evil this world is doing certainly does require firm descipline and mercy of God is a preview to the coming descipline for those who have denied God and his only begotten Son - Christ Jesus. By the actions I commit I am given the chance to let the world know there is more here than secular life. Johm the Baptist was the Shepard paving the way ( and announcing ) for the Lamb of God - and a Shepard is what you send for a Lamb. We are Warrriors and of course, one sends to Warriors to pave the way for a Lion.

Please let us get on track, answer the 4 questions... they are not meant to harm you but to let me know where you stand.

The theme is simple... and so answer these 4 questions - i made them easy.... yes/no.... yes- but=no no, but =yes
1 - Are you dening me as a Witness and Prophet?
2 - Are you claiimng me or my heart is evl?
3 - Do you think you have the right to tell me what is in my heart or mind?
4 - Say for a minute I am who I claim to be... with that I have a gift... that gift is.. anyone who accepts a prophet as a prophet receives a prophet's reward. If I do not allow others to know I am a prophet they cannot accept me and so - receives no prophet's reward. If they are told and accepts me - then they receive the same reward I receive. This does not elevate me, but rather those who accepts and does NOT elevate me in any way. For denying me does not disqualify nor hinder my position at all. So... do you really think attacking me is a good idea?

If anyone thinks these questions are un-fair - please tell me and maybe help me re-vise them do they are fair.

daq · Feb 18, 2013

terry said:
Daq you did not answer one single question i asked....
you are proving yourself to be no more that an troll....
ANSWER THE 4 QUESTIONS OR JUST MUTE YOURSELF

The theme is simple... and so answer these 4 questions - i made them easy.... yes/no.... yes- but=no no, but =yes
1 - Are you dening me as a Witness and Prophet?
2 - Are you claiing me or my heart is evl?
3 - Do you think you have the right to tell me what is in my heart or mind?
4 - Say for a minute I am who I claim to be... with that I have a gift... that gift is.. anyone who accepts a prophet as a prophet receives a prophet's reward. If I do not allow others to know I am a prophet they cannot accept me and so - receives no prophet's reward. If they are told and accepts me - then they receive the same reward I receive. This does not elevate me, but rather those who accepts and does NOT elevate me in any way. For denying me does not disqualify nor hinder my position at all. So... do you really think attacking me is a good idea?

Arnie Manitoba said:
Another ten mile long post by daq

I think I will put you on my ignore list.

It would sure save a lot of scrolling past your endless copy and pastes

What .... do you think we dont have bibles or something ?? ..... Do you think that whoever quotes the most scripture wins the religious war ?

Can you not speak for yourself or articulate your position in your own words ?

terry said:
Arnie... i think this guy just don't get it... he attacking people like none of us here love God, can;t answer simple questions and just bombards the thread with scripture...like he doesn't know we could do that same. Then he is even taking scripture out of context.

Arnie - how do you pit someone on ignore?

Since neither of you have anything to offer concerning the topic I suppose I will attempt to continue. If you both want to put me on ignore then please do so and then we shall see if either of you are at least capable of keeping your word.

As for the Kingdom of God being within us, (Luke 17:20-21 KJV) this passage from Luke is a parallel context and "companion passage" with both Matthew 24 and Mark 13 as shown in what follows concerning the Kingdom of God statements:

Luke 17:20-30 KJV
20. And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
21. Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
22. And he said unto the disciples, The days will come, when ye shall desire to see one of the days of the Son of man, and ye shall not see it.
23. And they shall say to you, See here; or, see there: go not after them, nor follow them.
24. For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day.
25. But first must he suffer many things, and be rejected of this generation.
26. And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
27. They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
28. Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
29. But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30. Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

The Kingdom of the Father is all around us as we speak and arrives to each of us in his or her own appointed times, IN SPIRIT, which things cannot be seen by the natural man with the mind and eyes of the flesh. Perhaps what the two of you do not realize is that you yourselves are the dust of the 'adamah-soil of the earth, (the soul of the man). This is one of the principle understandings which comes from the Parable of the Sower. 'Adam-Man was taken from the dust of the 'adamah-soil in the beginning; the 'adamah-soil is therefore the man, and the man is therefore "the earth" (not "planet Earth" as most people imagine). However, this does not translate out from the Greek because it is something that is already explained through careful study of the Old Testament Scriptures. The Greek uses "ge" primarily in a general sense for a wide variety of contexts which can be earth, land, soil, etc., and the differences can only be fully understood by FIRST having a proper understanding from the Old Testament, (mainly the differences between the 'adamah-soil and the 'erets-land). Either way the passage from Luke 17 is only one half of two "book ends" which passage continues in Luke 21. The two "book end passages" are like end pieces intentionally placed around the Olivet Discourse. Yeshua clearly mentions his return "as in the days of Noah" in the Luke 17 passage quoted above. Also the statement that "the Kingdom of God cometh NOT WITH OBSERVATION" is about as plain as day and nowhere is it rescinded, amended, or implied that there is a secondary meaning. The word used for "observation" as shown on the previous page means exactly: "OCULAR-VISUAL EVIDENCE" and the word employed for "within you" means exactly "INSIDE OF YOU".

The Kingdom of God comes "NOT WITH OCULAR-VISUAL EVIDENCE".

This "Kingdom of God" from Luke 17 is the very same "Kingdom of God" which Yeshua speaks of concerning the Parable of the Fig Tree. The Parable of the Fig Tree in Luke 21 is therefore the same corresponding companion passage with Matthew 24 and Mark 13 but from the perspective of Luke. Thus the Olivet Discourse in the Gospel of Luke has been divided into two portions like "book ends" enclosing the full discourse and likewise encompassing the same passages from Matthew and Mark:

Luke 21:29-31 KJV
29. And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees;
30. When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand.
31. So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.

The "Kingdom of God" in the Luke 21 version of the Parable of the Fig Tree is therefore the same "Kingdom of God" from Luke 17 and therefore again all three companion passages, Matthew, Mark, and Luke, are in agreement concerning the very same signs we are admonished to watch for concerning the very same Kingdom of God which comes to pass within the faithful disciple. There are not two different kingdoms, as some suggest, but rather only one; the "Kingdom of Heaven" and the "Kingdom of God" are one and the same kingdom, and the same does not come with ocular-visual evidence because it occurs within the man and first begins to reside in the fertile 'adamah-earthen-soil of "the Parable of the Sower" heart. However, the same is true of the Desolating Abomination which occurs at the altar of the heart. Thus the same warning given to the Pharisees, Sadducees, and Scribes applies to all the same and especially to anyone who walks according to the flesh even though they may claim to be disciples of Messiah:

Matthew 16:1-6 KJV
1. The Pharisees also with the Sadducees came, and tempting desired him that he would shew them a sign from heaven.
2. He answered and said unto them, When it is evening, ye say, It will be fair weather: for the sky is red.
3. And in the morning, It will be foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowring. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?
4. A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them, and departed.
5. And when his disciples were come to the other side, they had forgotten to take bread.
6. Then Jesus said unto them, Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.

Mark 8:12-15 KJV
12. And he sighed deeply in his spirit, and saith, Why doth this generation seek after a sign? verily I say unto you, There shall no sign be given unto this generation.
13. And he left them, and entering into the ship again departed to the other side.
14. Now the disciples had forgotten to take bread, neither had they in the ship with them more than one loaf.
15. And he charged them, saying, Take heed, beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, and of the leaven of Herod.

tgwprophet · Feb 18, 2013

Daq... wrote: " Since neither of you have anything to offer concerning the topic I suppose I will attempt to continue. If you both want to put me on ignore then please do so and then we shall see if either of you are at least capable of keeping your word.

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Daq - I am trying to get to a level we can converse. but i still need you to answer those 4 questions...

The theme is simple... and so answer these 4 questions - i made them easy.... yes/no.... yes- but=no no, but =yes
1 - Are you dening me as a Witness and Prophet?
2 - Are you claiming me or my heart is evl?
3 - Do you think you have the right to tell me what is in my heart or mind?
4 - Say for a minute I am who I claim to be... with that I have a gift... that gift is.. anyone who accepts a prophet as a prophet receives a prophet's reward. If I do not allow others to know I am a prophet they cannot accept me and so - receives no prophet's reward. If they are told and accepts me - then they receive the same reward I receive. This does not elevate me, but rather those who accepts and does NOT elevate me in any way. For denying me does not disqualify nor hinder my position at all. So... do you really think attacking me is a good idea?

Answer my questions and I will do the same for you.

If you have aprehensions due to the answers you would give as they may effect you adversely, please indersrtand I am not going to hold negavie responses ro these wuestions against you, i will simply consider that is what is in your heart - at this time...meaning it can be changed if proven wrong and without demerits. The insight and path to truth is the goal I wish us to achieve.

There they are again.... This is not to attack you but rather to give me a firm understanding of what yyou are tring to claim of me.
You copied them then ignored them completely. I do not want to put you on ignore. Exactly what ":word" of mine are you speaking? I retracted many of the attacks I posted in anger... But think of it this way please... When i retract an anger post I am excersizing humility.... a muscle I wish to make stronger than the muscle of anger or denial. The retraction of anger (if I am wrong and even if I am right ) is an act of being humble. Do not hold the act of foegiving against me. Please... post an answer to the 4 questions alone and without obscurity.

If you feel you cannot do that...please tell me why that I maay revise them. I am trying to give you every benefit of obtaining cohesion in our conversing. You need not attempt to bombard me with Scripture - I assure you I have a Bible also. Use your words... Arnie and I both have been waiting for you to express yourself in your won words. Is that such a difficult task?

Unfortunately, if you bombard me again with scripture and iginore this post I will have no choice but to put you in ignore. My consideration is that ignoring me is your way of Denying a Prophet of God, and so I will not allow you to do it again and my way to stop it is to ignore you so I do not see it again. In that way it is in your best interest for me to do.

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