I would like some enlightenment on these questionswhy are some sicknesses: cancer, aids...etc. uncurable by human medicinesand other illnesses are cureable?I heard it said that you must be baptised in water receive Gods spirit to reach heavenand yet God said to the man next to him on the cross who was not baptised in water and Im not really sure whether he recieved the holy spirit right there on the cross and yet Jesus said, "Today you will be with me in heaven"I might have left out a phrase or two of that scripture but that was the general message I wanted I wanted to get across.if anyone can help me on these questions, I would really appreciate it.elmo
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The theif on the cross repented and believe that Yahshua died for our sins...And you are correct on that he wasn't water baptized. Think about this part...If God saids that water baptism is required and yet the theif didn't and said "To day thou shall be with me in paradise" Don't you think that God decided to play favoritism (no respector of persons) yet the bible says he doesn't play favoritism? Don't you think that God broke something if He did? (no respector of persons) Water Baptism is essential.Lovest ye in Christ Yahshua our Lord and Saviour.
this message is a question to superjag, can you please clarify what you mean in your reply about the word "favoritism"the way I interpreted it was that you were saying that god doesn't show favoritism because he is "no respector of persons" but since Im not sure if that's what you meant Im asking you for a little better of an explaination because I want their to be no doubt in my mind of what you say as "biblical."because if God is not excercising favoritism to the man on the cross, then how did he get away with not being baptised in water (which is a testament to the world that our old life is gone...hence the verse:2 Corithians 5:17 "Therfore if any man be in Christ he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new."
my second question in my when I posted this thread was:why is it that certain illnesses which lead to death have a cureand yet others (cancer, AIDS, etc.) have no cure.scientist have been trying the best to solve these issues for more years than I can say and yet God's enlightenment has not yet come to their minds.I hope someone can enlighten me on this issue
Im not sure I get your question Elmo if your asking why Jesus was baptised you have to remember he had not yet died for all sins of the world. sense the death on the crossbaptism of spirit (heart) is the only required baptism We are saved by grace.and your second question about illness has nothing to do with favoritism, men caused these diseases some they have learned to cure other not but it is all of men not God
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this message is a question to superjag, can you please clarify what you mean in your reply about the word "favoritism"the way I interpreted it was that you were saying that god doesn't show favoritism because he is "no respector of persons" but since Im not sure if that's what you meant Im asking you for a little better of an explaination because I want their to be no doubt in my mind of what you say as "biblical."because if God is not excercising favoritism to the man on the cross, then how did he get away with not being baptised in water (which is a testament to the world that our old life is gone...hence the verse:2 Corithians 5:17 "Therfore if any man be in Christ he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new."
Is YHWH, the God of the Jews only? If so, what happened to the Gentiles? Is YHWH, the God of the Gentiles only? If so, what happened to the Jews? God forbid.Romans 3:29 - Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:What I'm saying is, God does not play favorite for those who love Him and follow His commandments.
Lovest ye in Christ Yahshua our Lord and Saviour.
this message is a question to superjag, can you please clarify what you mean in your reply about the word "favoritism"the way I interpreted it was that you were saying that god doesn't show favoritism because he is "no respector of persons" but since Im not sure if that's what you meant Im asking you for a little better of an explaination because I want their to be no doubt in my mind of what you say as "biblical."because if God is not excercising favoritism to the man on the cross, then how did he get away with not being baptised in water (which is a testament to the world that our old life is gone...hence the verse:2 Corithians 5:17 "Therfore if any man be in Christ he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new."
Is YHWH, the God of the Jews only? If so, what happened to the Gentiles? Is YHWH, the God of the Gentiles only? If so, what happened to the Jews? God forbid.Romans 3:29 - Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:What I'm saying is, God does not play favorite for those who love Him and follow His commandments.
what Im trying to get at is I really do believe in repentence for the forgiveness of sins baptism of water to be "born again" for the spirit to fill you...but why did Jesus say to the man on the cross..."Today you will be with me..." for he was not yet baptisedwhich I thought was a must.
(elmo;18631)
why are some sicknesses: cancer, aids...etc. uncurable by human medicinesand other illnesses are cureable?
Our knowledge is limited.(elmo;18631)
I heard it said that you must be baptised in water receive Gods spirit to reach heavenand yet God said to the man next to him on the cross who was not baptised in water and Im not really sure whether he recieved the holy spirit right there on the cross and yet Jesus said, "Today you will be with me in heaven"I might have left out a phrase or two of that scripture but that was the general message I wanted I wanted to get across.
Many people are taught to doubt the need for water & Spirit baptisms because of Luke's account of the conversation between Jesus and a crucified thief in Luke 23:40-44.Taken in isolation, one could agree, but of course we mustn't do that, otherwise you can make the bible say anything so it becomes useless !People assume that "paradise" means heaven, and therefore the thief was sincere in his comments. Matthew and Mark's account of this dialogue both say that both of the thieves were speaking mockingly to Jesus immediately before it became dark:-“He trusted in God; let him deliver him now, if he will have him: for he said, I am the Son of God. The thieves also, which were crucified with him, cast the same in his teeth.” (Matthew 27:43-44)“Let Christ the King of Israel descend now from the cross, that we may see and believe. And they that were crucified with him reviled him. And when the sixth hour was come, there was darkness over the whole land until the ninth hour.” (Mark 15:32-33) . . . did they both *miss* the point that one thief repented and had a great revelation of Jesus coming with a kingdom ? (meanwhile his own disciples were in sorrow and fear, they didn't understand)If the thief was sincere, it would have been a comfort to Jesus at this time, thereby falsifying the prophecy
salm:69:20: Reproach hath broken my heart; and I am full of heaviness: and I looked for some to take pity, but there was none; and for comforters, but I found none.:21: They gave me also gall for my meat; and in my thirst they gave me vinegar to drink.So, what of Jesus' reply in Luke?The word "paradise" is used figuratively for heaven elsewhere, but literally it means garden, where Jesus was buried; Mary later thought he was the gardener (John 19v41, 20v15). This would mean Jesus was saying that the thief would be buried also in the garden tombs. But the most important point is, even if the thief was sincere and will enter heaven, he died before the New Covenant began ! God is no longer telling people to try to keep the Mosaic Law, or build an Ark, or fight Philistines.He's telling them to be reconciled to him by faith in Jesus meaning you repent, get baptised unto his death in water and receive His Life by the infilling of the Spirit (Acts 2:4, 33, 37-39)
why are some sicknesses: cancer, aids...etc. uncurable by human medicinesand other illnesses are cureable?
Our knowledge is limited.(elmo;18631)
I heard it said that you must be baptised in water receive Gods spirit to reach heavenand yet God said to the man next to him on the cross who was not baptised in water and Im not really sure whether he recieved the holy spirit right there on the cross and yet Jesus said, "Today you will be with me in heaven"I might have left out a phrase or two of that scripture but that was the general message I wanted I wanted to get across.
Many people are taught to doubt the need for water & Spirit baptisms because of Luke's account of the conversation between Jesus and a crucified thief in Luke 23:40-44.Taken in isolation, one could agree, but of course we mustn't do that, otherwise you can make the bible say anything so it becomes useless !People assume that "paradise" means heaven, and therefore the thief was sincere in his comments. Matthew and Mark's account of this dialogue both say that both of the thieves were speaking mockingly to Jesus immediately before it became dark:-“He trusted in God; let him deliver him now, if he will have him: for he said, I am the Son of God. The thieves also, which were crucified with him, cast the same in his teeth.” (Matthew 27:43-44)“Let Christ the King of Israel descend now from the cross, that we may see and believe. And they that were crucified with him reviled him. And when the sixth hour was come, there was darkness over the whole land until the ninth hour.” (Mark 15:32-33) . . . did they both *miss* the point that one thief repented and had a great revelation of Jesus coming with a kingdom ? (meanwhile his own disciples were in sorrow and fear, they didn't understand)If the thief was sincere, it would have been a comfort to Jesus at this time, thereby falsifying the prophecy
salm:69:20: Reproach hath broken my heart; and I am full of heaviness: and I looked for some to take pity, but there was none; and for comforters, but I found none.:21: They gave me also gall for my meat; and in my thirst they gave me vinegar to drink.So, what of Jesus' reply in Luke?The word "paradise" is used figuratively for heaven elsewhere, but literally it means garden, where Jesus was buried; Mary later thought he was the gardener (John 19v41, 20v15). This would mean Jesus was saying that the thief would be buried also in the garden tombs. But the most important point is, even if the thief was sincere and will enter heaven, he died before the New Covenant began ! God is no longer telling people to try to keep the Mosaic Law, or build an Ark, or fight Philistines.He's telling them to be reconciled to him by faith in Jesus meaning you repent, get baptised unto his death in water and receive His Life by the infilling of the Spirit (Acts 2:4, 33, 37-39)This is not true water baptism being a required component of Salvation is just plain NOT TRUE it is not a matter of what you believe or were taught. It just plain is not necessary. Prefered maybe necessary No! anything else is only mans/church teaching not the Words teaching. Below is an ancient church document written within a 100 years of Peters death look what it says about baptism before it was changed by modern day churches. For Herod slew him, a good man and one who exhorted the Jews to come and receive baptism, practicing virtue and exercising righteousness toward each other and toward God; for baptism would appear acceptable unto Him when they employed it, not for the remission of certain sins, but for the purification of the body, as the soul had been already purified in righteousness. This was what Peter and the apostels taught. This is what the word teaches. Anything different is mans doctrine.
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This is not true water baptism being a required component of Salvation is just plain NOT TRUE it is not a matter of what you believe or were taught. It just plain is not necessary. Prefered maybe necessary No! anything else is only mans/church teaching not the Words teaching. Below is an ancient church document written within a 100 years of Peters death look what it says about baptism before it was changed by modern day churches. For Herod slew him, a good man and one who exhorted the Jews to come and receive baptism, practicing virtue and exercising righteousness toward each other and toward God; for baptism would appear acceptable unto Him when they employed it, not for the remission of certain sins, but for the purification of the body, as the soul had been already purified in righteousness. This was what Peter and the apostels taught. This is what the word teaches. Anything different is mans doctrine.
Greetings with love in Christ,First I would like to know exactly what document you are quoteing from.Lets look at baptism and if it is required.(Gal 3:29)If you are in christ then you are an heir to the promise. How do you get into Christ? (Gal 3:27) you must be baptized.Baptism is nessesary for the remission of sins. (Acts 2:38)Baptism is required to be a part of Christ's Church (Jesus' Body) (1 Cor. 12:13)( Col. 1:18)Baptism Saves. (1 Pet. 3:21)Whosoever calls upon the name of the lord shall be saved. Baptism is calling on the name of the Lord. (Acts 22:16)You can 't have your sins washed away without baptism. (Acts 22:16)Our old man of sin can't be cruicified with him without baptism.We can't walk in newness of life without baptism. (romans 6:1-10)Thank you for your time and study of God's Word!With Love In Christ,Dustin Humphreys
This is not true water baptism being a required component of Salvation is just plain NOT TRUE it is not a matter of what you believe or were taught. It just plain is not necessary. Prefered maybe necessary No! anything else is only mans/church teaching not the Words teaching. Below is an ancient church document written within a 100 years of Peters death look what it says about baptism before it was changed by modern day churches. For Herod slew him, a good man and one who exhorted the Jews to come and receive baptism, practicing virtue and exercising righteousness toward each other and toward God; for baptism would appear acceptable unto Him when they employed it, not for the remission of certain sins, but for the purification of the body, as the soul had been already purified in righteousness. This was what Peter and the apostels taught. This is what the word teaches. Anything different is mans doctrine.
Greetings with love in Christ,First I would like to know exactly what document you are quoteing from.Lets look at baptism and if it is required.(Gal 3:29)If you are in christ then you are an heir to the promise. How do you get into Christ? (Gal 3:27) you must be baptized.Baptism is nessesary for the remission of sins. (Acts 2:38)Baptism is required to be a part of Christ's Church (Jesus' Body) (1 Cor. 12:13)( Col. 1:18)Baptism Saves. (1 Pet. 3:21)Whosoever calls upon the name of the lord shall be saved. Baptism is calling on the name of the Lord. (Acts 22:16)You can 't have your sins washed away without baptism. (Acts 22:16)Our old man of sin can't be cruicified with him without baptism.We can't walk in newness of life without baptism. (romans 6:1-10)Thank you for your time and study of God's Word!With Love In Christ,Dustin Humphreys
How can you explain this then?Luke 23:42-43 - And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom. And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.Lovest ye in Christ Yahshua our Lord and Saviour.
Baptisim of the heart is required and was bought with the blood of Jesus on the crossWater baptism is what we are talking here you are saved by grace not by Water.and the document is History of Eusebius an Early church leader
(thesuperjag;18872)
How can you explain this then?Luke 23:42-43 - And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom. And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.Lovest ye in Christ Yahshua our Lord and Saviour.
Thanks for your response!First of all, the new covanent wasn't in effect yet because Christ had not died yet.(Heb. 9:16)Also, you are kinda underestimating the Son of God, he had the power to say to anybody, your sins are forgiven, and then they would be forgiven right then. He did it several times in him ministry. (matthew 9:1-7) Its kinda like a last will and testament. if I had a lot of money, or land or something. while I was alive, and on earth, I could do with it as I please and give to whoever I want, but once I die, in order to recieve the gift you have to obey all the things that the testament says in order to receive it. and baptism is a thing that has been commanded time and time again in the scriptures.
Baptisim of the heart is required and was bought with the blood of Jesus on the crossWater baptism is what we are talking here you are saved by grace not by Water.
thanks for your response!I have never seen the phrase baptism of the heart anywhere in the scriptures. there is only one baptism.(eph. 4:5) the baptism that is commanded in the scriptures is water baptism. And no the water does not save us. baptism isn't just to get wet or to take a bath it is a answering of a good consicence toward God through the resurrection of Jesus christ. (1 pet. 3 :21)With Love In Christ,Dustin Humphreys
How can you explain this then?Luke 23:42-43 - And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom. And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.Lovest ye in Christ Yahshua our Lord and Saviour.
Thanks for your response!First of all, the new covanent wasn't in effect yet because Christ had not died yet.(Heb. 9:16)Also, you are kinda underestimating the Son of God, he had the power to say to anybody, your sins are forgiven, and then they would be forgiven right then. He did it several times in him ministry. (matthew 9:1-7) Its kinda like a last will and testament. if I had a lot of money, or land or something. while I was alive, and on earth, I could do with it as I please and give to whoever I want, but once I die, in order to recieve the gift you have to obey all the things that the testament says in order to receive it. and baptism is a thing that has been commanded time and time again in the scriptures.
Baptisim of the heart is required and was bought with the blood of Jesus on the crossWater baptism is what we are talking here you are saved by grace not by Water.
thanks for your response!I have never seen the phrase baptism of the heart anywhere in the scriptures. there is only one baptism.(eph. 4:5) the baptism that is commanded in the scriptures is water baptism. And no the water does not save us. baptism isn't just to get wet or to take a bath it is a answering of a good consicence toward God through the resurrection of Jesus christ. (1 pet. 3 :21)With Love In Christ,Dustin Humphreys
Actually there are two baptism.Matthew 3:11 - I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance. but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:Lovest ye in Christ Yahshua our Lord and Saviour.
Mat 21:25 The baptism of John, whence was it? from heaven, or of men? And they reasoned with themselves, saying, If we shall say, From heaven; he will say unto us, Why did ye not then believe him? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------Mar 1:4 John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------Mar 10:38 But Jesus said unto them, Ye know not what ye ask: can ye drink of the cup that I drink of? and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------Mar 10:39 And they said unto him, We can. And Jesus said unto them, Ye shall indeed drink of the cup that I drink of; and with the baptism that I am baptized withal shall ye be baptized: --------------------------------------------------------------------------------Mar 11:30 The baptism of John, was [it] from heaven, or of men? answer me. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------Luk 3:3 And he came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins; Where does it say one word about water the baptism was from God it was of the spirityou are baptised by accepting Christ into your heart and repenting of your sins Water has nothing to do with it
(kriss;18882)
Mat 21:25 The baptism of John, whence was it? from heaven, or of men? And they reasoned with themselves, saying, If we shall say, From heaven; he will say unto us, Why did ye not then believe him? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------Mar 1:4 John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------Mar 10:38 But Jesus said unto them, Ye know not what ye ask: can ye drink of the cup that I drink of? and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------Mar 10:39 And they said unto him, We can. And Jesus said unto them, Ye shall indeed drink of the cup that I drink of; and with the baptism that I am baptized withal shall ye be baptized: --------------------------------------------------------------------------------Mar 11:30 The baptism of John, was [it] from heaven, or of men? answer me. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------Luk 3:3 And he came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins; Where does it say one word about water the baptism was from God it was of the spirityou are baptised by accepting Christ into your heart and repenting of your sins Water has nothing to do with it
In Acts chapter 19 we find that they found some disiples of john that were baptized with the baptism of John but not the baptism of jesus and when they heard all that the apostles had to say they were baptized in the name of Jesus. but this wasn't Holy Spirit baptism because it said that they did not recieve the Holy Spirit until paul laid his hands on them.
Mat 21:25 The baptism of John, whence was it? from heaven, or of men? And they reasoned with themselves, saying, If we shall say, From heaven; he will say unto us, Why did ye not then believe him? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------Mar 1:4 John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------Mar 10:38 But Jesus said unto them, Ye know not what ye ask: can ye drink of the cup that I drink of? and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------Mar 10:39 And they said unto him, We can. And Jesus said unto them, Ye shall indeed drink of the cup that I drink of; and with the baptism that I am baptized withal shall ye be baptized: --------------------------------------------------------------------------------Mar 11:30 The baptism of John, was [it] from heaven, or of men? answer me. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------Luk 3:3 And he came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins; Where does it say one word about water the baptism was from God it was of the spirityou are baptised by accepting Christ into your heart and repenting of your sins Water has nothing to do with it
In Acts chapter 19 we find that they found some disiples of john that were baptized with the baptism of John but not the baptism of jesus and when they heard all that the apostles had to say they were baptized in the name of Jesus. but this wasn't Holy Spirit baptism because it said that they did not recieve the Holy Spirit until paul laid his hands on them.
You are misreading what this says Johns baptism was water this was not acceptableJesus baptism was belief and repentace Without repenting and belief upon Christ first the holy spirit can not enter.Thats my point water is nothing. It is the belief and repentance that opens the heart to the holy spirit.
Let me ask you a question Mr. God's Word Is TRUTH!!!...May I?Which saves water OR Water of Life?Lovest ye in Christ Yahshua our Lord and Saviour.
