Menorah Gan Eden

daq · Feb 26, 2013

In the year that the old man Bel-dak was slain I saw a throne, high and raised up, and the rings of the Ophaniym were fearful, and dreadful, and the Glory of Adonay filled the palace. Seraphim stood from above for him: Six wings, six wings, from the backbone to the one! And this cried to that, saying, Holy, holy, holy, YHWH Tsabaoth! All the earth is full of his Glory! And the cubit-posts of the bason were shaken from the voice of him that cried, and the house was filled with smoke. And there came a mal'ak, and he wakened me, like a man that is awakened from his sleep. And he said unto me, What did you see? And I said: Watching I was, and lo, the throne of Adonay, high and lifted up. And Seraphim standing from above for him: six wings this, and six wings that, from the backbone to the one. And he answered, saying, Seraphim above and Cherubim below from the backbone to the Lamp. And four wings to the Cherub from his four bones in the back: four wings this, and four wings that, even four wings to the one; for fearfully and wonderfully made is the man! And then says the mal'ak unto me; Turn back, dream again, and testify twice.

And again the mal'ak that spoke through me returned, and shook me scared, like a man that is awakened from his sleep. And he said unto me, What did you see? And I said: Watching I was, and lo, a menorah all of gold; and the gullah of a globe above his head, and his lights are seven against the seven, and seven castings for the lights which are upon his head. And twain olivet-zeytiym over him: one from the right of the gullah and one to the left. And I testified, and said to the mal'ak that spoke through me, saying, What are these, Adoniy? And the mal'ak that spoke through me answered, and said to me, Know ye not what these be? And I said, no, Adoniy. And he answered, and speaking unto me he said; This is the Word of YHWH to Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by force, but by My Spirit, says YHWH Tsabaoth! Who art thou, O great mountain? In the face of Zerubbabel thou shalt become a plain! And he shall bring forth the stone of the head with shouts: Grace! Grace to it! (And the heart of stone shall be no more). Then came the Word of YHWH unto me, saying; The hands of Zerubbabel have laid the foundation of this house; and his hands shall finish it, and thou shalt know that YHWH Tsabaoth hath sent me unto you. For who hath despised the abbreviated day? They shall rejoice, and shall see the smelting stone in the hand of Zerubbabel! (And the heart of stone shall be no more). Those seven, they are the fountains of the eyes of YHWH, which traverse back and forth through all the earth. And I testified, and said unto him; What are these two olivet-zetiym over the right of the menorah and over the left? And I testified twice, and said to him; What are the twain olivet-zeytiym clusters which by way of two golden transits pour from themselves the golden oil? And he answered unto me, saying, Know ye not what these be? And I answered, no, Adoniy. And he said, These are the two sons of the oil who stand before the Master of all the earth. So I understood that the two olivet-zeytiym are the right and the left in the gullah of the globe above the man; for the globe of the mind is over above the menorah, and the menorah is the seven lamps of light over the heart so as to give light upon the heart which is the head of gold. And the gold of that land is good, and there is the onyx stone, even a chest plate of precious stones, which is the land of Havilah.

And came the Word of YHWH again unto me, saying, Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also. The luchnos-lamp of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light. But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness! And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into Gehenna. And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into Gehenna. For, lo, I do raise up a shepherd in the land, which shall not visit those that be cut off, neither shall seek the young one, nor heal that that is broken, nor feed that that standeth still: but he shall eat the flesh of the fat, and tear their claws in pieces. Woe to the idol shepherd that leaves the flock: the sword shall be upon his arm, and upon his right eye; his arm shall be clean dried up, and his right eye shall be utterly darkened! And in this manner shall the all Israel of YHWH be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Zion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

daq · Nov 11, 2013

Psalms 77:5-20 KJV ~ 5. I have considered the days of old, the years of ancient times. 6. I call to remembrance my song in the night: I commune with mine own heart: and my spirit made diligent search. 7. Will the Lord cast off for ever? and will he be favourable no more? 8. Is his mercy clean gone for ever? doth his promise fail for evermore? 9. Hath God forgotten to be gracious? hath he in anger shut up his tender mercies? Selah. 10. And I said, This is my infirmity: but I will remember the years of the right hand of the most High. 11. I will remember the works of the Lord: surely I will remember thy wonders of old. 12. I will meditate also of all thy work, and talk of thy doings. 13. Thy way, O God, is in the sanctuary: who is so great a God as our God? 14. Thou art the God that doest wonders: thou hast declared thy strength among the people. 15. Thou hast with thine arm redeemed thy people, the sons of Jacob and Joseph. Selah. 16. The waters saw thee, O God, the waters saw thee; they were afraid: the depths also were troubled. 17. The clouds poured out water: the skies sent out a sound: thine arrows also went abroad. 18. The voice of thy thunder was in the heaven: the lightnings lightened the world: the earth trembled and shook. 19. Thy way is in the sea, and thy path in the great waters, and thy footsteps are not known. 20. Thou leddest thy people like a flock by the hand of Moses and Aaron.

Psalms 99:5-7 KJV ~ 5. Exalt ye the Lord our God, and worship at his footstool; for he is holy. 6. Moses and Aaron among his priests, and Samuel among them that call upon his name; they called upon the Lord, and he answered them. 7. He spake unto them in the cloudy pillar: they kept his testimonies, and the ordinance that he gave them.

Psalms 133:1-3 KJV ~ 1. Behold, how good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity! 2. It is like the precious ointment upon the head, that ran down upon the beard, even Aaron's beard: that went down to the skirts of his garments; 3. As the dew of Hermon, and as the dew that descended upon the mountains of Zion: for there the Lord commanded the blessing, even life for evermore.

As the snow of Hermon which quaffs the uttermost Sea

And Galilee the tachara' of the one-piece garment of Aaron
From the Judean desert and lebanon-white-mountain-heart
From the nahar, Nhar Perath, even to the uttermost Sea
This shall be your cord . . . . . . . (Devarim 11:24)

The Rabbis used to say: "The earth has seven seas but the Most High made Gennesaret for Himself" . . .

Arnie Manitoba · Nov 13, 2013

You sure have a strange religion daq
And you speak and write in a strange language

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As for me , I am a Christian
And I speak and write in English

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You should try it some day

daq · Nov 14, 2013

Arnie Manitoba said:
You sure have a strange religion daq
And you speak and write in a strange language

As for me , I am a Christian
And I speak and write in English

You should try it some day

Did I somehow lose my way? Silly me, here I was thinking I was posting in the "Spiritual Christian" forum!

Pure undefiled religion before the Father is to visit widows and orphans and keep oneself unblemished from the world; for the whole world lies in wickedness. Other than this I have no religion compared to the relationship I have with my heavenly Father. "But be you doers of the Logos, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves. For if any be a hearer of the Logos, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass: because he beholds himself, and goes his way, and straightway forgets what manner of man he was. But he that looks into the complete Torah of liberty, and continues therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this one shall be blessed in his deed. If any among you seem to be religious, and bridles not his tongue, but deceives his own heart, the religion of that one is vain. Religion that is pure and undefiled before the God and Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their affliction, and to keep oneself unblemished from the world", (James 1:22-27).

There be "seven ribs" of the Lamb of God.
The first five ribs are Torah of Moshe:

1) Book of Genesis
2) Book of Exodus
3) Book of Leviticus
4) Book of Numbers
5) Book of Deuteronomy

The "sixth rib" is the Book of Yehoshua:

"And the people said unto Yehoshua, To YHWH our Elohim we shall serve, and his voice shall we obey. So Yehoshua made a covenant with the people that day, and set them a statute and an ordinance in Shechem. And Yehoshua wrote these words in the Sefer Torat Elohim, and took a great Stone, and set it up there beneath ha'alah which is in the miqdash-sanctuary of YHWH. And Yehoshua said unto all the people, Behold, this Stone shall be a witness unto us; for it hath heard all the words of YHWH which he spoke unto us: it shall be therefore a witness unto you, lest ye deny your Elohim", (Joshua 24:24-27).

Yehoshua wrote in Sefer Torat Elohim which is "the Book of the Laws of God"

6) Book of Yehoshua

The seventh rib is the Book of Yob with his three friends, (probably written also by Moshe). You will notice in the image file of the first post at the top of the page that the seventh rib has three "false ribs" attached to itself from beneath. These three false ribs make a total of ten ribs. Each rib is connected at the backbone which means that although it may appear that man has twenty ribs to his cistern he rather does in fact have only ten because the two sides, right and left, are one rib to each ring connected at the backbone, (the two bottom "half-ribs" of a man, beneath the cage on the spinal column, make the count twelve or twenty-four when it comes to modern medical, anatomical, and chiropractic purposes).

7) Book of Yob
--a ) Eliphaz the Teymaniy
--b ) Bildad the Shuhite
--c ) Zophar the Na`amatiy

Exodus 12:5-11
5. Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: ye shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats:
6. And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Yisrael shall kill it between the evenings.
7. And they shall take of the blood, and strike it on the two side posts and on the upper door post of the houses, wherein they shall eat it.
8. And they shall eat the flesh in that night, roast with fire, and unleavened bread; and with bitter herbs they shall eat it.
9. Eat not of it raw, nor sodden at all with water, but roast with fire; his head with his legs, and with the entrails thereof.
10. And ye shall let nothing of it remain until the morning; and that which remaineth of it until the morning ye shall burn with fire.
11. And thus shall ye eat it; with your loins girded, your shoes on your feet, and your staff in your hand; and ye shall eat it in haste: it is the YHWH Passover.

Exodus 12:43-49
43. And said YHWH unto Moshe and Ahron, This is the ordinance of the Passover: There shall no stranger eat thereof:
44. But every man's servant that is bought for silver, when thou hast circumcised him, then shall he eat thereof.
45. A foreigner and an hired servant shall not eat thereof.
46. In one house shall it be eaten; thou shalt not carry forth ought of the flesh abroad out of the house; neither shall ye break a bone thereof.
47. All the congregation of Yisrael shall keep it.
48. And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the Passover unto YHWH, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof.
49. One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

Not a bone of the Pesach Lamb of YHWH was broken and neither shall it ever be:

John 19:32-37
32. Then came the soldiers, and brake the legs of the first, and of the other which was crucified with him.
33. But when they came to Yeshua, and saw that he was dead already, they brake not his legs:
34. But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water.
35. And he that saw it bare record, and his record is true: and he knoweth that he saith true, that ye might believe.
36. For these things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken.
37. And again another scripture saith, They shall look on him whom they pierced.

Therefore says Master Yeshua: "Think not that I am come to destroy the Torah, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one yod-iota or one horn shall in no wise pass from the Torah, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall loosen one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I say unto you, that except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven", (Matthew 5:17-20). And again Yeshua says: "Heaven and earth shall pass away but my words shall not pass away!", (Matthew 24:35). Torah is therefore likewise to be fulfilled in every talmid-disciple of Yeshua; for the Master clearly expounds all things Torah and Prophets unto us, even revealing unto his talmidim what things Torah and Prophets truly concern when he emphatically states: "Therefore all things whatsoever you would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the Torah and the Prophets!", (Matthew 7:12). And again Yeshua says: "If any man will come after me, let him utterly forsake himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. For whosoever will save his soul shall apollumi-destroy her: and whosoever will apollumi-destroy his soul for my sake shall find her. For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and zemioo-lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul? For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom!", (Matthew 16:24-28).

Likewise Yeshua says concerning his Kingdom:

Matthew 8:11-12 KJV
11. And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.
12. But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

daq said:
Once upon a twilight there came a seven day feast wherein I sat down in the kingdom of heaven for a rack of Lamb Seder with Moshe, Eliyahu, and others of the fathers of Yeshua faith. And Moshe says to me; "Take heed to yourself that you eat not with a soiled garment of the conscience, neither eat with spot nor wrinkle in the machinations of your vain imagination; for, behold, the Lamb is perfect, and spotless: not a bone of it was broken and neither shall it ever be." So I gave my thanks knowing that I can never be perfect and offered my petition; asking forgiveness for my sins, and forgiving all others, and began to eat both of the Lamb and of the bitter herbs which come with the Seder, (for Moshe also said "eat all of it and leave none of it till the morning come") and when I arrived at the "fifth rib", (which is Devarim or Deuteronomy) I found the following like a treasure having been hidden in a field:

Deuteronomy 28:1-13 KJV
1. And it shall come to pass, if thou shalt hearken diligently unto the voice of the Lord thy God, to observe and to do all his commandments which I command thee this day, that the Lord thy God will set thee on high above all nations of the earth:
2. And all these blessings shall come on thee, and overtake thee, if thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the Lord thy God.
3. Blessed shalt thou be in the city, and blessed shalt thou be in the field.
4. Blessed shall be the fruit of thy body, and the fruit of thy ground, and the fruit of thy cattle, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep.
5. Blessed shall be thy basket and thy store.
6. Blessed shalt thou be when thou comest in, and blessed shalt thou be when thou goest out.
7. The Lord shall cause thine enemies that rise up against thee to be smitten before thy face: they shall come out against thee one way, and flee before thee seven ways.
8. The Lord shall command the blessing upon thee in thy storehouses, and in all that thou settest thine hand unto; and he shall bless thee in the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.
9. The Lord shall establish thee an holy people unto himself, as he hath sworn unto thee, if thou shalt keep the commandments of the Lord thy God, and walk in his ways.
10. And all people of the earth shall see that thou art called by the name of Lord; and they shall be afraid of thee.
11. And the Lord shall make thee plenteous in goods, in the fruit of thy body, and in the fruit of thy cattle, and in the fruit of thy ground, in the land which the Lord sware unto thy fathers to give thee.
12. The Lord shall open unto thee his good treasure, the heaven to give the rain unto thy land in his season, and to bless all the work of thine hand: and thou shalt lend unto many nations, and thou shalt not borrow.
13. And the Lord shall make thee the head, and not the tail; and thou shalt be above only, and thou shalt not be beneath; if that thou hearken unto the commandments of the Lord thy God, which I command thee this day, to observe and to do them:

And when I saw that Torah the Law itself promises that we shall be of "above only" and no more of "beneath-below" then I paused for a moment to reflect, and gave thanks to the heavenly Father; suddenly understanding a little more of what things Paulos also writes in all his letters, which things are difficult to understand and often wrested by those who twist his words. And when I lifted up my eyes; there too was Paulos at the Seder, and he says to me; "Take heed to yourself; for if you build again the things which are dissolved, you make yourself a transgressor." And then says the Master himself by the Word unto me: "Take heed to yourself, for no man having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of Elohim."

And so I eat . . .

As for the first six ribs they are likened unto the Seraphim; and the Ophanim of the rimring-wheels are high and lifted up as Yechezkel HaKohen HaNavi saw in a vision and recorded, (Ezekiel 10:8-22) and likewise Yeshayah HaNavi when he saw the Seraphim: "Six wings, Six wings to the one!"

Isaiah 6:1-3 KJV
1. In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple.
2. Above it stood the seraphims: each one had six wings; with twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet, and with twain he did fly.
3. And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the Lord of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory.

Isaiah 6:2 Transliterated Unaccented Bible
2. Srapiym `omdiym mima`al low, shesh knapayim shesh knapayim l'echad. Bishtayim ykaceh panayw. Uwbishtayim ykaceh raglayw. Uwbishtayim y`owpep.
2. Seraphim stationed from above for him: Six wings, six wings to the one; in twain he covered his face, and in twain he covered his feet, and in twain he did fly.

Yet each rib to the backbone is one. Thus, where most translations have only "six wings" mentioned one time it is not so in the original text, although the English renderings are correct: for the two sets of six wing-ribs are "brethren" and therefore the twain are one, and the seventh rib which is below the six are the Cherubim, with four wings like Yob having his three friends: for fearfully and wonderfully made is the man.

As for the "headstone" of Zecharyah 4 he is the heart of the man; for the heart of the man is his head, and if your heart be an heart of stone then it must needs be removed so as to be circumcised in the true supernal circumcision of the heart. This is the work accomplished only through the Master Yeshua-Sheshbazzar-Zerubbabel who alone has the power and authority vested in him, as High Priest after the order of Melchizedek, to perform:

Romans 15:8-12 ASV
8. For I say that Christ hath been made a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, that he might confirm the promises given unto the fathers,
9. and that the Gentiles might glorify God for his mercy; as it is written, Therefore will I give praise unto thee among the Gentiles, And sing unto thy name.
10. And again he saith, Rejoice, ye Gentiles, with his people.
11. And again, Praise the Lord, all ye Gentiles; And let all the peoples praise him.
12. And again, Isaiah saith, There shall be the root of Jesse, And he that ariseth to rule over the Gentiles; On him shall the Gentiles hope.

However, if a man has a "chest plate of iron" for the "caul" upon his heart then let him take heed; for the Most High says that he will use the wild beasts of the man to rend the caul of the heart so as to remove the heart for true supernal circumcision. And the wild beasts of the man are a lion, a bear, and a leopard, and these be "the beasts of man" which the Most High sends against the man so as to bring about that good and expected End, (Jeremiah 29:10-11 KJV) for all the people of his family:

Hosea 13 = Revelation 13

Hosea 13:4-11 KJV
4. Yet I am the Lord thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no Saviour beside me.
5. I did know thee in the wilderness, in the land of great drought.
6. According to their pasture, so were they filled; they were filled, and their heart was exalted; therefore have they forgotten me.
7. Therefore I will be unto them as a lion: as a leopard by the way will I observe them:
8. I will meet them as a bear that is bereaved of her whelps, and will rend the caul of their heart, and there will I devour them like a lion: the wild beast shall tear them.
9. O Israel, thou hast destroyed thyself; but in me is thine help.
10. I will be thy king: where is any other that may save thee in all thy cities? and thy judges of whom thou saidst, Give me a king and princes?
11. I gave thee a king in mine anger, and took him away in my wrath.

And who shall live when 'El doeth this?
I saw Zerubbabel removing the headstone from its cavity:
And there were triumphant shoutings of Grace! Grace unto him!
And when he had set it back into me the heart of stone was no more . . .

Arnie Manitoba · Nov 14, 2013

daq

You continue to use words that are not common to the English language.

You appear to enjoy feeling very religious by using archaic Hebraisms

I fail to see any other purpose other than your own self gratification.

And you appear to relish your lengthy posts

As though they are fuel for your delirium

Because they sure do not make sense to me.

I would be surprised if they made sense to anybody

daq · Nov 14, 2013

Arnie Manitoba said:
daq

You continue to use words that are not common to the English language.

You appear to enjoy feeling very religious by using archaic Hebraisms

I fail to see any other purpose other than your own self gratification.

And you appear to relish your lengthy posts

As though they are fuel for your delirium

Because they sure do not make sense to me.

I would be surprised if they made sense to anybody

Where does it say in the forum rules that whatsoever I post must be understood and approved by Arnie Manitoba? And how many times have we been over these basic elementary things already in the four links to the four threads in the eschatology board provided in my signature? And if you reject the clear emphatic statements of Yeshua, as you have already done in those threads, who or what then gives you the right to force me to accept your interpretation of the same passages in everything I post everywhere else in the forum? And why must anyone continually rehash the same passages over and over again just because you and the several others here like you reject them outright? It really is nothing more than a form of forum harassment. Otherwise please do not blame me for the outer darkness you appear to be experiencing because it is your own doing for lack of true repentance and rejecting the words of the Master-Teacher Yeshua. First one must believe the Master when he emphatically states that the Kingdom of God does not come with ocular-visual observation because the Kingdom of God is within each one of us:

Luke 17:20-21 KJV
20. And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
21. Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

If indeed the Kingdom of God is within us then your outward theories have deceived you because you cannot understand the depth of what it means to have the presence of the Kingdom of God in your midst with all that it entails. This is a living daily walk with Messiah in the Word of the Father wherein we hopefully grow and progress every day. All of the Scripture must be consumed, internalized, and walked out in our lives as we walk homeward with and in Messiah. Likewise one must believe the New Covenant authors by their writings and epistles which teach the faithful that we are indeed the holy temple of God:

1 Corinthians 3:16-20 KJV
16. Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
17. If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
18. Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.
19. For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.
20. And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain.

1 Corinthians 6:15-20 KJV
15. Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid.
16. What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.
17. But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.
18. Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
19. What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
20. For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

2 Corinthians 6:14-18 KJV
14. Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
15. And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
16. And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
17. Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.
18. And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

Ephesians 2:11-12 KJV
11. Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
12. That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

Ephesians 2:18-22 KJV
18. For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
19. Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
20. And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
21. In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: [the great congregation temple]
22. In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit. [the individual temple]

1 Peter 2:1-5 KJV
1. Wherefore laying aside all malice, and all guile, and hypocrisies, and envies, and all evil speakings,
2. As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:
3. If so be ye have tasted that the Lord is gracious.
4. To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious,
5. Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

And Peter then quotes from Exodus 19:5-6 in the following passage:

1 Peter 2:9 KJV
9. But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

Exodus 19:5-6 KJV
5. Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:
6. And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

If you do not believe the basic and elementary things then perhaps this thread is not for you.
The foundations herein are the same: the man is the temple of God and the Kingdom of God is within the man.

Arnie Manitoba · Nov 14, 2013

daq

It has nothing to do with what I like or dislike
You are free to publish anything you want
And because you do so on this forum I cannot help but see it and read it

But when I read your posts I they do not line up with Christianity as I know it
Furthermore you use words and terminology not common to American English
And then you blame the reader for not buying your message

Here are some examples of your strange language:

Menorah Gan Eden
old man Bel-dak
rings of the Ophaniym
YHWH Tsabaoth
cubit-posts of the bason
there came a mal'ak
from the backbone to the one
four wings this,
and four wings that,
even four wings to the one
then says the mal'ak unto me
the gullah of a globe
twain olivet-zeytiym over him
olivet-zetiym
globe of the mind is over above the menorah
and being converted i saw seven golden luchnia
girt around the mastos

And that is just from the first two paragraphs of your opening post .... then you have some weird Edgar Cayce type drawings and descriptions of the human anatomy as though that is what is being described.

I apologize for calling it completely bananas
i was just trying to be truthful
I have a habit of speaking clearly and use common American English
It is a weakness that I have

A.M.

ps: I also think Edgar Cayce was bananas if that means anything

SelectThis! · Nov 18, 2013

daq said:
In the year that the old man Bel-dak was slain I saw a throne, high and raised up, and the rings of the Ophaniym were fearful, and dreadful, and the Glory of Adonay filled the palace. Seraphim stood from above for him: Six wings, six wings, from the backbone to the one! And this cried to that, saying, Holy, holy, holy, YHWH Tsabaoth! All the earth is full of his Glory! And the cubit-posts of the bason were shaken from the voice of him that cried, and the house was filled with smoke. And there came a mal'ak, and he wakened me, like a man that is awakened from his sleep. And he said unto me, What did you see? And I said: Watching I was, and lo, the throne of Adonay, high and lifted up. And Seraphim standing from above for him: six wings this, and six wings that, from the backbone to the one. And he answered, saying, Seraphim above and Cherubim below from the backbone to the Lamp. And four wings to the Cherub from his four bones in the back: four wings this, and four wings that, even four wings to the one; for fearfully and wonderfully made is the man! And then says the mal'ak unto me; Turn back, dream again, and testify twice.

Isaiah 6 (Correctly quoted)

[SIZE=1.25em]6 [/SIZE]In the year that King Uzziah died, I saw the Lord seated on a high and lofty throne, and His robe[SIZE=.65em][a][/SIZE]filled the temple. [SIZE=.75em]2 [/SIZE]Seraphim[SIZE=.65em][b][/SIZE] were standing above Him; each one had six wings: with two he covered his face, with two he covered his feet, and with two he flew. [SIZE=.75em]3 [/SIZE]And one called to another:

Holy, holy, holy is the Lord of Hosts;
His glory fills the whole earth.

[SIZE=.75em]4 [/SIZE]The foundations of the doorways shook at the sound of their voices, and the temple was filled with smoke.
[SIZE=.75em]5 [/SIZE]Then I said:

Woe is me for I am ruined[SIZE=.65em][c][/SIZE]
because I am a man of unclean lips
and live among a people of unclean lips,
and because my eyes have seen the King,
the Lord of Hosts.

[SIZE=.75em]6 [/SIZE]Then one of the seraphim flew to me, and in his hand was a glowing coal that he had taken from the altar with tongs. [SIZE=.75em]7 [/SIZE]He touched my mouth with it and said:

Now that this has touched your lips,
your wickedness is removed
and your sin is atoned for.

[SIZE=.75em]8 [/SIZE]Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying:

Who should I send?
Who will go for Us?

I said:

Here I am. Send me.

[SIZE=.75em]9 [/SIZE]And He replied:

Go! Say to these people:
Keep listening, but do not understand;
keep looking, but do not perceive.
[SIZE=.75em]10 [/SIZE]Dull the minds[SIZE=.65em][d][/SIZE] of these people;
deafen their ears and blind their eyes;
otherwise they might see with their eyes
and hear with their ears,
understand with their minds,
turn back, and be healed.

[SIZE=.75em]11 [/SIZE]Then I said, “Until when, Lord?” And He replied:

Until cities lie in ruins without inhabitants,
houses are without people,
the land is ruined and desolate,
[SIZE=.75em]12 [/SIZE]and the Lord drives the people far away,
leaving great emptiness in the land.
[SIZE=.75em]13 [/SIZE]Though a tenth will remain in the land,
it will be burned again.
Like the terebinth or the oak
that leaves a stump when felled,
the holy seed is the stump.

daq · Nov 18, 2013

SelectThis! said:
Isaiah 6 (Correctly quoted)

[SIZE=1.25em]6 [/SIZE]In the year that King Uzziah died, I saw the Lord seated on a high and lofty throne, and His robe[SIZE=.65em][a][/SIZE]filled the temple. [SIZE=.75em]2 [/SIZE]Seraphim[SIZE=.65em][b][/SIZE] were standing above Him; each one had six wings: with two he covered his face, with two he covered his feet, and with two he flew. [SIZE=.75em]3 [/SIZE]And one called to another:

Holy, holy, holy is the Lord of Hosts;
His glory fills the whole earth.

[SIZE=.75em]4 [/SIZE]The foundations of the doorways shook at the sound of their voices, and the temple was filled with smoke.
[SIZE=.75em]5 [/SIZE]Then I said:

Woe is me for I am ruined[SIZE=.65em][c][/SIZE]
because I am a man of unclean lips
and live among a people of unclean lips,
and because my eyes have seen the King,
the Lord of Hosts.

[SIZE=.75em]6 [/SIZE]Then one of the seraphim flew to me, and in his hand was a glowing coal that he had taken from the altar with tongs. [SIZE=.75em]7 [/SIZE]He touched my mouth with it and said:

Now that this has touched your lips,
your wickedness is removed
and your sin is atoned for.

[SIZE=.75em]8 [/SIZE]Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying:

Who should I send?
Who will go for Us?

I said:

Here I am. Send me.

[SIZE=.75em]9 [/SIZE]And He replied:

Go! Say to these people:
Keep listening, but do not understand;
keep looking, but do not perceive.
[SIZE=.75em]10 [/SIZE]Dull the minds[SIZE=.65em][d][/SIZE] of these people;
deafen their ears and blind their eyes;
otherwise they might see with their eyes
and hear with their ears,
understand with their minds,
turn back, and be healed.

[SIZE=.75em]11 [/SIZE]Then I said, “Until when, Lord?” And He replied:

Until cities lie in ruins without inhabitants,
houses are without people,
the land is ruined and desolate,
[SIZE=.75em]12 [/SIZE]and the Lord drives the people far away,
leaving great emptiness in the land.
[SIZE=.75em]13 [/SIZE]Though a tenth will remain in the land,
it will be burned again.
Like the terebinth or the oak
that leaves a stump when felled,
the holy seed is the stump.

John 12:32-33 KJV
32. And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
33. This he said, signifying what death he should die.

John 3:12-15 KJV
12. If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?
13. And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
14. And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
15. That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

John 12:32-41 KJV
32. And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
33. This he said, signifying what death he should die.
34. The people answered him, We have heard out of the law that Christ abideth for ever: and how sayest thou, The Son of man must be lifted up? who is this Son of man?
35. Then Jesus said unto them, Yet a little while is the light with you. Walk while ye have the light, lest darkness come upon you: for he that walketh in darkness knoweth not whither he goeth.
36. While ye have light, believe in the light, that ye may be the children of light. These things spake Jesus, and departed, and did hide himself from them.
37. But though he had done so many miracles before them, yet they believed not on him:
38. That the saying of Esaias the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spake, Lord, who hath believed our report? and to whom hath the arm of the Lord been revealed?
39. Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again,
40. He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.
41. These things said Esaias, when he saw his glory, and spake of him.

Arnie Manitoba · Nov 19, 2013

daq said:
Because you do as you do you do not understand until your own great city lies in ruins, (Isaiah 6:11 KJV Revelation 18:4 KJV).
However, I suppose I need to start at least thirty more threads if your words be true.

Daq .... you and DelectThis make a good couple

Or you are one and the same

daq · Nov 20, 2013

Arnie Manitoba said:
Daq .... you and DelectThis make a good couple

Or you are one and the same

The body of the man is the Gan Eden, (Garden of Eden). In the mind there is a right tree and there is a left tree. The one is the tree of the knowledge of good and evil from which the man was commanded not to partake and the other is the tree of life. You have both trees of your own as does every man. The tree of the knowledge of good and evil is represented by the Assyrian in typology. The one who sees and hears only according to that side of his heart and mind pays heed only to the things of the flesh and walks according to the flesh seeing all things according to the eyes and mind of the flesh. Master Yeshua unlocks the Way to the Tree of Life in the man which heeds and follows his instruction. This is why he says that if your right eye offends you pluck him out and cast him from you. Likewise the prophet Zechariah speaks of the same when he speaks of "three shepherds" which he cut off in one month. The three shepherds are his own right eye, his own right hand, and an offensive foot always running swiftly into mischief, which are the same three of our bodily "members" that Yeshua likewise mentions in cutting off sin from our midst. Paul also mentions "mortifying our members which are upon the earth" and this is because the man is the land. Man has both the 'adamah-soil, (of the heart) and the 'erets-outer bounds, (flesh or fields). The Father states that he himself brings forth an idol shepherd that we have hidden in our "lands" which is, of course, for our own good because we as carnal men do not even know that we have such a one in our midst. That one must be drawn out, exposed, and destroyed, if we are to live. Only then can such a one truly partake of the tree of life in the midst of the Garden and only Messiah can unlock the Way to the Tree of Life.

Zechariah 11:15-17 KJV
15. And the Lord said unto me, Take unto thee yet the instruments of a foolish shepherd.
16. For, lo, I will raise up a shepherd in the land, which shall not visit those that be cut off, neither shall seek the young one, nor heal that that is broken, nor feed that that standeth still: but he shall eat the flesh of the fat, and tear their claws in pieces.
17. Woe to the idol shepherd that leaveth the flock! the sword shall be upon his arm, and upon his right eye: his arm shall be clean dried up, and his right eye shall be utterly darkened.

Matthew 5:29-30 KJV
29. And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
30. And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

Matthew 18:7-11 KJV
7. Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!
8. Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.
9. And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.
10. Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.
11. For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.

Yeshua says in the passage above that the Son of man came to save that which was lost: does he then truly speak of children or does he speak of something deeper? Are little children lost? Absolutely not, a child is not lost, not until he or she has grown old enough to knowingly sin in a state of awareness of the transgression. What then was lost? Adam forfeited the dominion of his own earth-land-soil and likewise every man who sins forfeits the dominion of his earth also because the man is the land. When a person first knowingly sins he loses the right to the tree of life in his own mind which would have been made available to him upon becoming a son, (fully tested by the Father). Once having transgressed the person then begins to see and hear only according to the other tree which is the Assyrian in typology. Yeshua is the only one who never forfeited the dominion of his earth but rather emptied himself and allowed the Father to both dwell in him and to speak through him. The only answer to this condition is repentance and immersion into the Word. With true repentance the vail is eventually done away in Messiah but without true repentance the Way to the Tree of Life is never opened to any man. It is all inside the man but the carnal man knows only of the Assyrian fig tree which is in his own mind and which gives him the nourishment of a false spiritual father. Every man has a fig and a vine so the all important question is who and what is your fig and your vine? Where exactly does your supernal and spiritual nourishment come from? If one claims to be a disciple of Yeshua, but has not truly repented and begun to immerse daily into the washing of the water into the Word; then the fig tree or fig branch of that one is the Assyrian tree of the knowledge of good and evil, which is of the right hand side of the fallen man, which Yeshua says the disciples of him must pluck out or cut off. It is supernal circumcision, like to make oneself a "eunuch" for the sake of the Kingdom, but this is of course supernal and not physical so it matters not whether one is male or female; either can become a eunuch for the Kingdom of God, (and whether male or female both become sons of God, being sons of the resurrection; neither male nor female).

Every man has a fig tree and a vine:

1 Kings 4:25 KJV
25. And Judah and Israel dwelt safely, every man under his vine and under his fig tree, from Dan even to Beersheba, all the days of Solomon.

And from the fig tree you keep the fig tree you shall eat:

Proverbs 27:18 KJV
18. Whoso keepeth the fig tree shall eat the fruit thereof: so he that waiteth on his master shall be honoured.

He that waits upon his Master shall be honored by his Master:

Zechariah 3:6-10 KJV
6. And the angel of the Lord protested unto Joshua, saying,
7. Thus saith the Lord of hosts; If thou wilt walk in my ways, and if thou wilt keep my charge, then thou shalt also judge my house, and shalt also keep my courts, and I will give thee places to walk among these that stand by.
8. Hear now, O Joshua the high priest, thou, and thy fellows that sit before thee: for they are men wondered at: for, behold, I will bring forth my servant the Branch.
9. For behold the stone that I have laid before Joshua; upon one stone shall be seven eyes: behold, I will engrave the graving thereof, saith the Lord of hosts, and I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day.
10. In that day, saith the Lord of hosts, shall ye call every man his neighbour under the vine and under the fig tree.

Therefore know your Master because the Assyrian offers a near perfect imitation:

Isaiah 36:16-18 KJV
16. Hearken not to Hezekiah: for thus saith the king of Assyria, Make an agreement with me by a present, and come out to me: and eat ye every one of his vine, and every one of his fig tree, and drink ye every one the waters of his own cistern;
17. Until I come and take you away to a land like your own land, a land of corn and wine, a land of bread and vineyards.
18. Beware lest Hezekiah persuade you, saying, The Lord will deliver us. Hath any of the gods of the nations delivered his land out of the hand of the king of Assyria?

The prophet Micah makes clear there is a choice and a division to be made in this same context of figs and vines:

Micah 4:1-5 KJV
1. But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the Lord shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.
2. And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.
3. And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.
4. But they shall sit every man under his vine and under his fig tree; and none shall make them afraid: for the mouth of the Lord of hosts hath spoken it.
5. For all people will walk every one in the name of his god, and we will walk in the name of the Lord our God for ever and ever.

Now learn the parable of the fig tree: When his branch is yet tender, and he begins to put forth his foliage, lift up your head and stretch out that neck over all the other trees of the forest; for the summer of your harvest is at the doors. Behold, The ADON, YHWH Tsabaoth, shall lop off the bough with terror, and the high ones of stature shall be hewn down, and the haughty shall be humbled, and he shall cut down the thickets of the forest with iron, and the white mountain shall fall by a mighty one. But first it is up to the true disciple of Yeshua to begin cutting off the offensive members of his own household; and those members of his household are not physical brothers, sisters, sons, daughters, mothers, or fathers, but rather like that father the Assyrian bough-branch that is flourishing in the right side of the belly of your mind.

daq · Dec 1, 2013

Arnie Manitoba said:
daq

It has nothing to do with what I like or dislike
You are free to publish anything you want
And because you do so on this forum I cannot help but see it and read it

But when I read your posts I they do not line up with Christianity as I know it
Furthermore you use words and terminology not common to American English
And then you blame the reader for not buying your message

Here are some examples of your strange language:
Menorah Gan Eden
old man Bel-dak
rings of the Ophaniym
YHWH Tsabaoth
cubit-posts of the bason
there came a mal'ak
from the backbone to the one
four wings this,
and four wings that,
even four wings to the one
then says the mal'ak unto me
the gullah of a globe
twain olivet-zeytiym over him
olivet-zetiym
globe of the mind is over above the menorah
and being converted i saw seven golden luchnia
girt around the mastos

And that is just from the first two paragraphs of your opening post .... then you have some weird Edgar Cayce type drawings and descriptions of the human anatomy as though that is what is being described.

I apologize for calling it completely bananas
i was just trying to be truthful
I have a habit of speaking clearly and use common American English
It is a weakness that I have

A.M.

ps: I also think Edgar Cayce was bananas if that means anything

No worries as far as concerning myself seeing how it really is not to me that you really owe any apologies. However, the things you ask are too much to put into even a single thread, much less a single post, due to the amount of study which is required of yourself to either confirm or deny such things by the Scripture. If one is not willing to do his or her own investigation then the same will remain in the darkness and perhaps continue the grave mistake of equating the teachings of Yeshua with the likes of Edgar Cayce. As an example here is an excerpt from a recent discussion concerning luchnos and luchnia which are the lamps that light the man according to the Word-Doctrine of the Messiah you claim to know:

daq said:
Matthew 6:22-23 KJV
22. The light [GSN#3088 luchnos] of the body is the eye: [GSN#3788 ophthalmos] if therefore thine eye [GSN#3788 ophthalmos] be single, thy whole body shall be full of light [GSN#5460 photeinos].
23. But if thine eye [GSN#3788 ophthalmos] be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light [GSN#5457 phos - fire or light] that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!

Original Strong's Ref. #3088
Romanized luchnos
Pronounced lookh'-nos
from the base of GSN3022; a portable lamp or other illuminator (literally or figuratively):
KJV--candle, light.

Original Strong's Ref. #3788
Romanized ophthalmos
Pronounced of-thal-mos'
from GSN3700; the eye (literally or figuratively); by implication, vision; figuratively, envy (from the jealous side-glance):
KJV--eye, sight.

In the doctrine of Yeshua the ophthalmos-eye is the luchnos-lamp of the body. The luchnos is typically employed in the sense of a candle or extension rod of the greater luchnia which is the base of the lamp which holds the candles. The relationship between luchnos and luchnia is explained in the companion Luke passage where this saying is quoted again. Yeshua says that no one lights a luchnos-candle and puts it in a secret place but rather puts the luchnos-candle onto a luchnia-candlestick so as to give light to those who come into the abode. Those who enter into the abode automatically pay heed, (blepo) to the light provided by the luchnos-candle having been set upon the luchnia-candlestick and therefore do not stumble when they enter into the light.

Luke 11:33-36 KJV
33. No man, when he hath lighted a candle, [GSN#3088 luchnos] putteth it in a secret place, neither under a bushel, but on a candlestick, [GSN#3087 luchnia] that they which come in may see the light.
34. The light [GSN#3088 luchnos] of the body is the eye: [GSN#3788 ophthalmos] therefore when thine eye is single, thy whole body also is full of light; but when thine eye is evil, thy body also is full of darkness.
35. Take heed therefore that the light which is in thee be not darkness.
36. If thy whole body therefore be full of light, having no part dark, the whole shall be full of light, as when the bright shining of a candle [GSN#3088 luchnos] doth give thee light.

Original Strong's Ref. #3087
Romanized luchnia
Pronounced lookh-nee'-ah
from GSN3088; a lamp-stand (literally or figuratively):
KJV--candlestick.

Going back to Matthew 5 we see that the word lampo from where comes lampas was already employed in the same context:

Matthew 5:14-16 KJV
14. Ye are the light [GSN#5457 phos - fire or light] of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
15. Neither do men light a candle, [GSN#3088 luchnos] and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; [GSN#3087 luchnia] and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.
16. Let your light [GSN#5457 phos] so shine [GSN#2989 lampo] before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

Original Strong's Ref. #2989
Romanized lampo
Pronounced lam'-po
a primary verb; to beam, i.e. radiate brilliancy (literally or figuratively):
KJV--give light, shine.

1) The ophthalmos-eye is the luchnos-lamp of the inside of the body.
2) The ophthalmos-eyes-luchnos-lamps are set in a luchnia-lampstand.
3) The phos-fire or light is the light inside the house and also the light of the world.
4) The lampo-light is the entire torch-light-lamp which denotes the whole being of the man.
5) Let your phos-fire-light of the inside so lampos-torch-light-blaze-shine before men that they may see your good works and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

Without these understandings with their contexts consistently applied elsewhere one will not be capable of understanding the parables of Yeshua which employ these same words and terminologies. The Parable of the Ten Virgins is the counterpart example in this case:

Matthew 24:45 ~ 25:4 KJV
45. Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?
46. Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
47. Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.
48. But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;
49. And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;
50. The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,
51. And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
1. Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, [GSN#2985 lampas] and went forth to meet the bridegroom.
2. And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.
3. They that were foolish took their lamps, [GSN#2985 lampas] and took no oil [GSN#1637 elaion-oil-olive] with them:
4. But the wise took oil [GSN#1637 elaion-oil-olive] in their vessels [GSN#30 aggeion] with their lamps [GSN#2985 lampas].

Original Strong's Ref. #30
Romanized aggeion
Pronounced ang-eye'-on
from aggos (a pail, perhaps as bent; compare the base of GSN0043); a receptacle:
KJV--vessel.

Original Strong's Ref. #43
Romanized agkale
Pronounced ang-kal'-ay
from agkos (a bend, "ache"); an arm (as curved):
KJV--arm.

Original Strong's Ref. #2985
Romanized lampas
Pronounced lam-pas'
from GSN2989; a "lamp" or flambeau:
KJV--lamp, light, torch.

The beautiful picture painted for us in the form of the Parable of the Ten Virgins concerns the entire Menorah with its "arms", "ribs", or "bent stems" coming from the main branch. The Menorah is therefore symbolic of the lampo-lampas-light of the entire man. The wise virgins take in pure oil olive having been beaten fine as per Torah commandments, (Exodus 27:20 and Leviticus 24:2). Where do we get such oil for our luchnos-lamps which are our ophthalmos-eyes? As Yeshua says concerning the words which he speaks from the Father, when he also states that the flesh profits nothing, he says that his words are Spirit and they are Life. The pure oil olive goes into the eyes of the disciple and the eyes are the luchnos-lamps for to light the inside of the body and the inside of the man, (thus the "inner man" of which Paul likewise writes). The whole man is thus likened to the Menorah, ("Menorah Gan Eden") and or the whole vessel with all of its accompanying lesser vessels and utensils used also in the service of the Most High. If therefore a man will not take the pure oil olive into his ophthalmos-eyes and likewise lay up pure oil olive also within his own vessel for a rainy day or a dark night then the same man will be full of darkness. There is no way to take these words according to literal physical meaning even though they be absolutely true. Will a man or a woman go out and buy fresh olives to crush them fine, beat the pure oil olive out of them, remove all impurities by straining, filtering, and cold pressing, and then take that same literal physical pure oil olive and pour it into his or her literal physical ophthalmos-eyes which are the luchnos-lamps for the inside of the body? And how can one even say with a straight face that the "body" referenced herein the passages above is a literal and physical soma-body? Does a man need literal light to light the inside of his literal fleshly body every day? There is a soma-body psuchikos, (natural, physical, and soulish) and there is a soma-body pneumatikos, (non-carnal, non-corporeal, spiritual, and supernal) and to suggest that both of these bodies may be seen with physical eyes and touched with physical hands is a complete lack of understanding to say the least.

What then does the Master imply by the following statement to Ephesus?

Revelation 2:1-5 KJV
1. Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks; [GSN#3087 luchnia]
2. I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:
3. And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted.
4. Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.
5. Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick [GSN#3087 luchnia] out of his place, except thou repent.

"O Ephesus, one of my seven eyes having been sent forth into all the earth, (Zechariah 3:9, Zechariah 4:10, Revelation 5:6) how I love thee dearly, mine eye! But if you will not repent and begin to see clearly then I will pluck you out, (remove your luchnia-candlestick) and cast you from myself."

Arnie Manitoba · Dec 1, 2013

Daq .... you need to take a deep breath .... quit posting garble .... learn to use english .... and stop taking simple bible verses and turning them into 10 pages of gobeldygook

ENOCH2010 · Dec 1, 2013

the church of Ephesus is no more, so according to you, the Lord plucked one of his 7 eyes out and cast it into darkness ?

daq · Dec 2, 2013

Arnie Manitoba said:
Daq .... you need to take a deep breath .... quit posting garble .... learn to use english .... and stop taking simple bible verses and turning them into 10 pages of gobeldygook

Why do you follow me around continually harassing me? If you so desire to understand what is being posted here in this "Spiritual Christian Forum" board then it is you that needs to do quite a few things. However, I am not the one to tell you what to do just as you should not be so audacious as to think that you should be the one to tell me or anyone else what to do. Here is some perfect English for you:

Matthew 12:33-37 KJV
33. Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.
34. O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.
35. A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.
36. But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
37. For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

Understand? The tree that you have been eating from is revealed by what comes forth from your heart. If what comes forth from your heart is evil then your father is the Assyrian because that one is your provider; the hand from which you receive, like the false promises of the Assyrian as already quoted previously above herein. Likewise we shall all be judged by our own words and what comes forth from our own mouths. Therefore one does not necessarily need to commit physical murder with his hands to be considered a murderer in the Kingdom of God. Have you no understanding of these simple truths whatsoever? The only one you are killing with your words is your own self because by your own words you have revealed the hatred coming forth from your heart and by those words you will be either justified or condemned according to the doctrine of Messiah Yeshua in the passage quoted above.

Matthew 15:10-20 KJV
10. And he called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and understand:
11. Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.
12. Then came his disciples, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the Pharisees were offended, after they heard this saying?
13. But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up.
14. Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.
15. Then answered Peter and said unto him, Declare unto us this parable.
16. And Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding?
17. Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught?
18. But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
19. For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:
20. These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.

Understand? "For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders . . ."

After "evil thoughts" the very next abominating desolation which comes forth from the heart is "murders" according to Yeshua. Murder comes from the heart and not yet from the hands until murder has ultimately run its course and comes to full fruition in an evil person. Everyone already knows that physical murder is evil and, thus, Yeshua speaks of something much more internal and difficult if not impossible for the carnal man to perceive. Perhaps that is why you cannot perceive how it is that you are already considered a murderer according to the doctrine of the Messiah that I know by the Word. Another passage says the same and here it is in ye plain olde King James English once again:

1 John 3:11-15 KJV
11. For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.
12. Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.
13. Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you.
14. We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.
15. Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

Yep, there it is in plain old English for all the junior Assyrians, venomous vipers, and cutesy little hatemongers of the world:

Whosoever hates his brother is a murderer: and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.

ENOCH2010 said:
the church of Ephesus is no more, so according to you, the Lord plucked one of his 7 eyes out and cast it into darkness ?

Being a disciple of Yeshua means that I cannot agree with you when you suggest that Ephesus was nothing more than a church building in Asia that is now long gone. The following are merely a small sample of the reasons one may know that your premise is in error:

Mark 13:31 KJV
31. Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.

John 6:62-63 KJV
62. What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?
63. It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

In fact Yeshua knocks at the door in the Laodicean stage of the age:

Revelation 3:14-22 KJV
14. And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; these things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
15. I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
16. So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
17. Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
18. I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
19. As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
20. Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. [Re: Luke 12:36]
21. To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
22. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

Arnie Manitoba · Dec 2, 2013

daq said:
Why do you follow me around continually harassing me? If you so desire to understand what is being posted here in this "Spiritual Christian Forum" board then it is you that needs to do quite a few things. However, I am not the one to tell you what to do just as you should not be so audacious as to think that you should be the one to tell me or anyone else what to do. Here is some perfect English for you:

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Because I have this crazy idea you need help
Because I have this crazy idea a person should use common english
Because you take simple bible info and try to complicate it with gobeldygook

Theologian and scholar Charles Ryrie said if you cannot portray your message in one paragraph it means you do not know what you are talking about.

Furthermore I do not follow you around ... it is more like you toss your endless garbage in all the other threads I am trying to read. It is a waste of space , you have no followers , and nobody can figure out what the heck your point is anyway.

I hope my straightforward message helps you understand my position

daq · Dec 3, 2013

Arnie Manitoba said:
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Because I have this crazy idea you need help
Because I have this crazy idea a person should use common english
Because you take simple bible info and try to complicate it with gobeldygook

Theologian and scholar Charles Ryrie said if you cannot portray your message in one paragraph it means you do not know what you are talking about.

Furthermore I do not follow you around ... it is more like you toss your endless garbage in all the other threads I am trying to read. It is a waste of space , you have no followers , and nobody can figure out what the heck your point is anyway.

I hope my straightforward message helps you understand my position

Sorry to have to say that you give me no reason whatsoever to believe anything you say. You cannot even conceive the possibility that it may be in fact yourself that might need help. A man is judged by his own words, deeds, and actions. Your own actions do not even agree with your own spiteful and hateful words in previous occasions. If you cannot even keep your own words then why should anyone believe anything else you have to say? especially when you seem to think you that have the right to tell others that you think they need help just because you do not understand what things they speak and write? And by the way I do not care about any "following" nor did I come here hoping to gain any "following" like you and your comrades appear to care so much about. Perhaps this is the reason you and your fellows feel the need to kill any voice of opposition to your party? Perhaps it might be wise for you to lose that political mindset which is so divisive. It is not "us vs them" in my mindset but rather "the Truth vs everything else". If you knew the Scripture you would have much more clarity in discussions which concern the Scripture. How does your apparent request in this thread for further explanation align with what you have already revealed elsewhere from your heart? Your request for me to explain what things I speak does not align with your words of hatefulness already portrayed elsewhere. You already know that you are not looking for me to explain anything because you have already made it quite clear that you believe me to be filling this forum full of waste material.

The following is just from one thread, (Desolating Abomination) when I first arrived here:

Arnie Manitoba said:
Daq ..... can you not simply reply with a couple of sentences and in your own words ?

Are you even capable ?

Your endlessly huge copy and pastes are not worth wading through and do not give you any credibility

besides they are a waste of space and clutter up the forum .

Differing of opinions are not the issue ..... you are welcome to believe whatever you want ..... just state it clearly , briefly , and in your own words .

Arnie Manitoba said:
Another ten mile long post by daq

I think I will put you on my ignore list.

It would sure save a lot of scrolling past your endless copy and pastes

What .... do you think we dont have bibles or something ?? ..... Do you think that whoever quotes the most scripture wins the religious war ?

Can you not speak for yourself or articulate your position in your own words ?

Arnie Manitoba said:
daq ... you just dont get it .... you come here thinking we dont know anything ??

You grab scriptures from all over the place and then try to glue them together in some kind of bizarre patchwork .

Using your patchwork style of theology a person can make the bible say anything.

Judas went away and hanged himself.
Go yee and do likewise

Arnie Manitoba said:
Me too retrobyter .... i went to my control panel and put daq on my ignore list ..... but I had to put you (retrobyter) on as well because you quote all of daq's posts.

Daq is a waste of time and space .

afaithfulonefor you is also now on my ignore list.

All of a sudden this forum is much easier to read.

thank you LORD

You said you had put me on ignore so why then are you here now if you put me on your ignore list? You quite obviously do not keep your own word. Not only is your judging of other people worthless, because you are not the Judge, but your own word is no more trustworthy than your false judgments against the brethren. The following is from my introduction thread, (Hello All!) where you blatantly attempted to embarrass and humiliate me in front of the entire forum by insinuating that I might wear women's clothes or might be a homosexual. As I said to you there; I do not wear a dress, and as I also said to you in another occasion concerning this I am not a homosexual as you have attempted to insinuate, and even if I was I would not be your type. In some places what you have done might even be considered a form of sexual harassment; do you think it is acceptable for you to act out such things here just because you are in Canada and maybe not subject to the laws of this land? Like I said, we all answer to the Creator ultimately, so perhaps you should lose that political mindset because you will be held accountable for all of your atrocious words and nazi-style brown-shirt bullying tactics.

Arnie Manitoba said:
Are you able to show us a picture of the mark on your forehead ... or is it just an imaginary one ??

daq said:
To truly "see" it one must be "Tented" from Above ~ h34r:

17771-Temples (Post#22)

Arnie Manitoba said:
Daq ... do you wear a dress like that ?

Ancient proverb say, "Ye shall know them by their fruits; if he walk according to his belly like a serpent, and speak with a forked tongue like a serpent; then he be a serpent or the son of a serpent." :lol:

Arnie Manitoba · Dec 3, 2013

I do have you on ignore Daq ... and from time to time I check in to see if anything has changed (it hasn't)

I stand by what I originally said ..... summarize in one paragraph .... using common English ... what your point is about your topic called ... "Menorah Gan Eden"

Are you able to ?? If you can , I guarantee I will read it and try to grasp your message

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