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Well we were pretty close BT untill your last sentence
I do agree that the unforgivable sin of blasphemy of the Holy is not somthing we can do yet. It can only be commited one time. That time is when those put on trial by Antichristare not to premeditate what they will say. As the holy Ghost(spirit) will come upon you and speak through you (just like in Acts) if you of your own free will deny the spirit of God to speak through you it is unforgivable (though I doubt it will ever happen)Mar 13:11 But when they shall lead [you], and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.
Well, I am glad we at least MOSTLY agree
Though, if I may, I think that the passage needs to be taken in context. In the passage, what I see, is that the Pharisee's were claiming that it was by Belial or Beelzebub that Jesus was casting out evil spirits and healing the sick. If a gentile had said this, they would not have been rebuked as harshly. What Jesus said, was for them. He explained that they who speak blasphemous things concerning him, would be forgiven. However, those who blaspheme the spirit, it will not be forgiven them. Obviously the direct context indicates that it is through the admision of the mouth that the blasphemy is committed. However, obviously, it is deeper than this. In Hebrews we see that the same unforgivable sin, manifests in a different way."It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace."~Hebrews 6:4-6Also see;"If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God under foot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace? For we know him who said, "It is mine to avenge; I will repay," and again, "The Lord will judge his people." It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God."~Hebrews 10:26-31Now, what does this mean? For me, I go straight back to the original passage in Mark." 'I tell you the truth, all the sins and blasphemies of men will be forgiven them. But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of an eternal sin.' He said this because they were saying, 'He has an evil spirit.' "~Mark 3:28-30Now, what does the word Eternal mean? Eternal is not the same as infinite. When one says that God lives Eternally, this does not mean that he lives forever. {well, it might, but that's not what it means}. Infinitely implies parameters. So, for example [-∞, +3] contains within it an infinite amount of possible values. In fact, [0,1] contains an infinite amount of particular values. So, for example, when one says that God is infinite, they mean that he has no 'end'. However, Eternity is beyond time. Eternal is 'beyond and above' time. It doesn't even bring that parameter into the equation. Eternal means 'what IS'. There is no time in an Eternal state. Forgive me if this is where it becomes a tad more difficult to follow, but; Combining this passage with what we know about Grace, and with the passages from Hebrews, It seems to indicate that, on an Eternal level, a sin is. Not, a sin is committed, no; "A Sin IS". This of course, comes pretty directly against the 'sin being' at one point in time, for it is an eternal sin. Though time allows for causality, which allows for sin, the sin here is not one which is committed with time meaning anything. There is no date on which somebody commits this sin. This Sin, is one of being. Let's look again at the passage in Hebrews;"It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace."~Hebrews 6:4-6How would this tie into the passage in Mark? Or are there multiple sins that won't be forgiven? The Passage here says that it is impossible to return. Why would that be? Because, I think, just as Belial once fell from heaven, we can fall. However, the fall from heaven, I don't believe, is one which occurred at a time. The Fall was an Eternal Fall. Just as the Sin for the fall was an Eternal sin. What was the Sin? The Sin is what Hebrews describes; that one who is in full communion with God, who has a full understanding of the goodness and riches of the Holy Spirit, and decides to defy God. This is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit in it's truest sense. It applied to the Pharisee's because they should have known better. They had the knowledge of the Spirit, and they also constituted the Church, of sorts, before Christ. Again, we may disagree about the Pharisee's, but that shouldn't make much of a difference over all in this case. The point is, they had the knowledge necessary to know better. Calling unholy the works of God, is quite a trespass, when you know better.However, as I said, because it's Eternal, it 'IS'. As such, I interpret it to be a state. If it is a State, then it is the state of being an enemy of God. Fortunately, the construct of time allows for causality. In other words, time allows a change in state. God's word is clear concerning what awaits the enemy's of God. However, the passage in Jeremiah tells us something quite important. That while God promises curses for disobedience, those promises remain in effect only while the disobedience remains in effect.Without going into too much detail, that's basically my view.However, I'm being a little unfair here. transparent_opacity, this thread was about you. I am sorry if I have taken away from that. My only advice to you, would be to continue to search for the Truth. Don't ever let up, just keep going. If you need help, you know this Forum is a resource. Ask questions. Be open minded, but be critical.That's my advice.
Well we were pretty close BT untill your last sentence
I do agree that the unforgivable sin of blasphemy of the Holy is not somthing we can do yet. It can only be commited one time. That time is when those put on trial by Antichristare not to premeditate what they will say. As the holy Ghost(spirit) will come upon you and speak through you (just like in Acts) if you of your own free will deny the spirit of God to speak through you it is unforgivable (though I doubt it will ever happen)Mar 13:11 But when they shall lead [you], and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.Well, I am glad we at least MOSTLY agree
