Wives submit to your husbands

Stephen100 · Mar 21, 2013

Ruth said:
You seem very young in spiritual wisdom, almost selfish in your means of leadership.

Even our God as Jesus submitted to to serving unconditionally, you need to find mature Christian men to mentor you, and pray for the Holy Spirit to humble your heart....relax and go watch your game, stay away from women for your heart is not right before The Lord, to love unconditionally.

Well, the reason I know you're wrong is because I'm going by Scripture. What I say doesn't make sense to you because women are not use to men standing up for a husband's authority. For years men in the church have been too afraid to confront feminism. Instead they have bowed to its whims.

I know of two well respected pastors who had the courage to basically say the same things that I'm saying. Both of them were severely criticized. One of them even received death threats. People just couldn't tolerate hearing a sermon on a husband's authority.

I respect your opinion but I must go with what the word of God says, not the word of feminism.

Axehead · Mar 21, 2013

Stephen100 said:
Ah ha, but remember, the husband is not under his wife's authority or leadership. A husbands job is to love, honor, and protect his wife. If the husband wanted to watch the game, the wife should wait until the game is finished or pick a different day. The wife is a helper. She is to bring happiness to her husbands life, and that means letting him watch the game. A husbands job is to love and protect his wife, even to the point of death.

Stephen,

You have no idea what marriage is all about.

Don't give advice on marriage and yes, don't get married. Spare the poor soul.

Stephen100 · Mar 21, 2013

Axehead said:
Stephen,

You have no idea what marriage is all about.

Don't give advice on marriage and yes, don't get married. Spare the poor soul.

You can say what you like. I'm use to Christians throwing insults at me. Just like the religious leaders did to Jesus. All I care about is the truth, and I actually know more about marriage than most married couples themselves. Why? Because I actually follow the Bible.

Axehead · Mar 21, 2013

Stephen100 said:
Well said Rach

Like I said, marriage is not for me. Some people prefer marriage, other people prefer to remain single.

Do you think marriage would not work for you because of something with you, such as too much selfishness? You have not stated any reasons and that's why I am asking. Marriage certainly takes work and requires the Cross, and people should think seriously about it. Have you had any divorces in your family? Do you have examples of successful Christian marriages in your life?

JB_Reformed Baptist · Mar 21, 2013

Selene said:
It starts with the man because God created Adam first and the man takes the lead in how his marriage should turn out. If the man sacrificed his game or show, then the wife will know that she can trust her husband. She sees that her husband is not selfish and would sacrifice his life even to protect her. The next time the man watches his favorite game, the wife will allow her husband to watch it. The power lies in both man and woman because they are equal as human beings and each play an important role.

Actually that's a fallacy. Eve was disciplined equally as Adam and even Satan himself. ALL ARE HELD ACCOUNTABLE, according to God's sovereign purpose.

Selene · Mar 21, 2013

Stephen100 said:
Yes, but where do we draw the line? If we can agree that the husband is the head of his family, then in what sense does the husband give up the things that he likes to do in his own home? Instead of admitting that the wife should respect her husbands wishes to watch the game, you are turning it around and saying that the husband should obey his wife instead. A husband is required to lay down his life for his wife. That's not the same thing as giving up his hobbies.

If we begin to undermine a husband's authority, things will get very complicated. For example, let's say that the husband had worked a long shift, and when he got home he decided to go to bed early. But the wife wanted him to stay up another 2 hours to spend time with her, but the husband was falling asleep because of his hard day's work. Is the husband obligated to respect his wife's wishes and force himself to stay awake, or is the wife obligated to respect her husband's wishes and allow him to go to bed?

What you seem to be doing is saying that the husband should obey his wife's wishes instead of the wife obeying her husband's wishes. This is the feminist mentality that I'm talking about. The husband is the head and gets to make the final decision, not the other way around.

Do you know what it means to be the leader? Do you know what it means to be the head of the family? Christ is a leader, and what kind of leader was he? He not only taught His Church and led her into truth......but He also washed the feet of the Apostles and He sacrificed His life for His Church. Christ served the Church out of love. Christ was a leader who put Himself last. Because He put Himself last, He became the first......the leader and the head. A man is called the head just as Christ is the head of the Church. The man is called to be like Christ who put Himself last and who died for His Church. Those who put themselves last will be first, and those who wished to be first will be last. Christ is the example you are supposed to follow because men are not only called to be like Christ, but also because Christ is the head of man.

1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman [is] the man; and the head of Christ [is] God.

As for the woman, you underestimate women. Women are the "heart of the family." A woman can tell if her husband is tired and if her children are in pain. She also knows if a man is selfish and treats her more as a servant rather than as a wife.

Stephen100 · Mar 21, 2013

Axehead said:
Do you think marriage would not work for you because of something with you, such as too much selfishness? You have not stated any reasons and that's why I am asking. Marriage certainly takes work and requires the Cross, and people should think seriously about it. Have you had any divorces in your family? Do you have examples of successful Christian marriages in your life?

I don't think marriage would work because most Christian women don't want to be under their husband's authority. Feminism has its claws in too many churches. Even though I have repeatedly stated that husbands should die for their wives, you accuse me of being selfish. Extraordinary!

JB_Reformed Baptist · Mar 21, 2013

Axehead said:
Stephen,

You have no idea what marriage is all about.

Don't give advice on marriage and yes, don't get married. Spare the poor soul.

You sound like a Ahab. He has the right to question such things as he may, yet still, get married. If his parents had exercised Godly example and instruction and I might add those older woman in the church including the married, he might not have a beef with this.

But the sad reality is-irrespective of his less than perfect analogy of watching a game- his points are relevant. And no matter how one majors on the minors, it doesn't change the fact he's right. Why, because he seeks to understand and stand upon God's word.

Those who are not against Christ are for him.

Stephen100 · Mar 21, 2013

Selene said:
Do you know what it means to be the leader? Do you know what it means to be the head of the family? Christ is a leader, and what kind of leader was he? His leadership was serving the Church. He not only taught His Church and led her into truth......but He also washed the feet of the Apostles and He sacrificed His life for His Church. Christ served the Church. Christ was a leader who put Himself last. Because He put Himself last, He became the first......the leader and the head. A man is called the head just as Christ is the head of the Church. The man is called to be like Christ who put Himself last and who died for His Church. Those who put themselves last will be first, and those who wished to be first will be last. Christ is the example you are supposed to follow because men are not only called to be like Christ, but also because Christ is the head of man.

1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman [is] the man; and the head of Christ [is] God.

As for the woman, you underestimate women. Women are the "heart of the family." A woman can tell if her husband is tired and if her children are in pain. She also knows if a man is selfish and treats her more as a servant rather than as a wife.

Your theology is all wrong. Jesus layed down his life for the church, but the church is under his authority. A husband's job is to love and protect his wife, as well as die for her if need be. That's not the same thing as giving into the whims of a nagging wife. The Bible tells wives to submit to their husbands in everything (Ephesians 5:24).

If what you have said is true, then you are basically saying that the husband must do what his wife tells him to do. However, Jesus did not allow his disciples to make the decisions. Sure, he gave his life for them, but he was the one who gave the orders. Your theology is all twisted.

Stephen100 said:
Your theology is all wrong. Jesus layed down his life for the church, but the church is under his authority. A husband's job is to love and protect his wife, as well as die for her if need be. That's not the same thing as giving into the whims of a nagging wife. The Bible tells wives to submit to their husbands in everything (Ephesians 5:24).

If what you have said is true, then you are basically saying that the husband must do what his wife tells him to do. However, Jesus did not allow his disciples to make the decisions. Sure, he gave his life for them, but he was the one who gave the orders. Your theology is all twisted.

Thanks for your support. Like I've said before, this is a subject that always seems to ruffle people's feathers. In fact, I know a pastor who even received death threats for preaching this kind of message.

What's amazing is that I've repeatedly said that husbands should be willing to die for their wives, yet I am accused of being bitter and selfish lol. What has the world come to? Lord help us.

JB_Reformed Baptist said:
You sound like a Ahab. He has the right to question such things as he may, yet still, get married. If his parents had exercised Godly example and instruction and I might add those older woman in the church including the married, he might not have a beef with this.

But the sad reality is-irrespective of his less than perfect analogy of watching a game- his points are relevant. And no matter how one majors on the minors, it doesn't change the fact he's right. Why, because he seeks to understand and stand upon God's word.

Those who are not against Christ are for him.

Thanks for your support. Like I've said before, this is a subject that always seems to ruffle people's feathers. In fact, I know a pastor who even received death threats for preaching this kind of message.

What's amazing is that I've repeatedly said that husbands should be willing to die for their wives, yet I am accused of being bitter and selfish lol. What has the world come to? Lord help us.

JB_Reformed Baptist · Mar 21, 2013

Eph 5:22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
Eph 5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
Eph 5:24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

hupotassō
hoop-ot-as'-so
From G5259 and G5021; to subordinate; reflexively to obey: - be under obedience (obedient), put under, subdue unto, (be, make) subject (to, unto), be (put) in subjection (to, under), submit self unto. STRONGS

hupotassō
Thayer Definition:
1) to arrange under, to subordinate
2) to subject, put in subjection
3) to subject one’s self, obey
4) to submit to one’s control
5) to yield to one’s admonition or advice
6) to obey, be subject
Part of Speech: verb

Angelina · Mar 21, 2013

I will never get married. I'm 28 and have been happily single for 8 years. Nobody has ever come close to changing my mind. I gave up a long time ago. Single is best for me.

Stephen, you have indicated that you have been happily single for 8 years. Does that mean that you were married once? :huh:

Selene · Mar 21, 2013

Stephen100 said:
Your theology is all wrong. Jesus layed down his life for the church, but the church is under his authority. A husband's job is to love and protect his wife, as well as die for her if need be. That's not the same thing as giving into the whims of a nagging wife. The Bible tells wives to submit to their husbands in everything (Ephesians 5:24).

If what you have said is true, then you are basically saying that the husband must do what his wife tells him to do. However, Jesus did not allow his disciples to make the decisions. Sure, he gave his life for them, but he was the one who gave the orders. Your theology is all twisted.

Thanks for your support. Like I've said before, this is a subject that always seems to ruffle people's feathers. In fact, I know a pastor who even received death threats for preaching this kind of message.

What's amazing is that I've repeatedly said that husbands should be willing to die for their wives, yet I am accused of being bitter and selfish lol. What has the world come to? Lord help us.

This is what Jesus said to His Apostles:

John 13:13-15 "You call me 'Teacher' and 'Lord,' and rightly so, for that is what I am. Now that I, your Lord and Teacher, have washed your feet, you also should wash one another's feet. I have set you an example that you should do as I have done for you.

Just because Christ humbled Himself to wash the feet of His Church, that does not mean that He is no longer Lord and Teacher. He is still the Lord and Teacher. Whoever wished to be first will be last and whoever puts himself last will be first. And who said anything about giving in to the whims of a nagging wife?

JB_Reformed Baptist · Mar 21, 2013

Stephen100 said:
Your theology is all wrong. Jesus layed down his life for the church, but the church is under his authority. A husband's job is to love and protect his wife, as well as die for her if need be. That's not the same thing as giving into the whims of a nagging wife. The Bible tells wives to submit to their husbands in everything (Ephesians 5:24).

If what you have said is true, then you are basically saying that the husband must do what his wife tells him to do. However, Jesus did not allow his disciples to make the decisions. Sure, he gave his life for them, but he was the one who gave the orders. Your theology is all twisted.

Thanks for your support. Like I've said before, this is a subject that always seems to ruffle people's feathers. In fact, I know a pastor who even received death threats for preaching this kind of message.

What's amazing is that I've repeatedly said that husbands should be willing to die for their wives, yet I am accused of being bitter and selfish lol. What has the world come to? Lord help us.

You're welcome Stephen.

I'm personally appalled by the amount of attack upon the male in this effeminate and feminist society. I hear the claim that woman can do all things like men and yet when it comes to accepting responsibility there's a revert back to childhood, and to sugar and spice and all things nice attitude, as though butter wouldn't melt in their mouths.

I might add NOT all, but the few -at the moment and it's growing - who do this and are extremely vocal about their rights and abilities & are giving good women are bad name and are placing men in an untenable position. Its has become so bad that such wicked views are encouched in law, and supported by the Ahab's of society. Ultimately this Jezebel agenda is infecting churches and is claiming many "silly women laden with sins".

Stephen100 · Mar 21, 2013

Angelina said:
Stephen, you have indicated that you have been happily single for 8 years. Does that mean that you were married once? :huh:

No lol. I split up with my girlfriend about 9 years ago. This was before I was a Christian. I've remained single ever since.

Angelina · Mar 21, 2013

okay... thanks. Was it a bad split up? :huh:

Stephen100 · Mar 21, 2013

Selene said:
This is what Jesus said to His Apostles:

John 13:13-15 "You call me 'Teacher' and 'Lord,' and rightly so, for that is what I am. Now that I, your Lord and Teacher, have washed your feet, you also should wash one another's feet. I have set you an example that you should do as I have done for you.

Just because Christ humbled Himself to wash the feet of His Church, that does not mean that He is no longer Lord and Teacher. He is still the Lord and Teacher. Whoever wished to be first will be last and whoever puts himself last will be first.

No disrespect sister, but your theology is wrong again. When Jesus said "Whoever wished to be first will be last and whoever puts himself last will be first., " he was referring to the Jews and the Gentiles. The Jews always put themselves first and rejected outsiders. However, most of the Jewish people rejected Jesus, whereas most Gentiles accepted him. The Gentiles were humble and accepted the message of the few Jews who followed Jesus. It is ludicrous to take this verse and apply it to marriage, because God has already put the husband over his wife, not to abuse her, but to have righteous authority over her.

Angelina said:
okay... thanks. Was it a bad split up? :huh:

Yes, but it's ancient history

JB_Reformed Baptist · Mar 21, 2013

okay... thanks. Was it a bad split up?

:huh:

Are you asking to ascertain why the discussion on Marriage. Why, because he may be bitter. Therefore has a "thing" against women.

Still even if it's true- I'm not suggesting it is-it doesn't change the tenor of God's message to wives. Does it?

Angelina · Mar 21, 2013

Why do you ask? :huh:

JB_Reformed Baptist · Mar 21, 2013

Angelina said:
Why do you ask? :huh:

See above, sister.

Stephen100 · Mar 21, 2013

JB_Reformed Baptist said:
You're welcome Stephen.

I'm personally appalled by the amount of attack upon the male in this effeminate and feminist society. I hear the claim that woman can do all things like men and yet when it comes to accepting responsibility there's a revert back to childhood, and to sugar and spice and all things nice attitude, as though butter wouldn't melt in their mouths.

I might add NOT all, but the few -at the moment and it's growing - who do this and are extremely vocal about their rights and abilities & are giving good women are bad name and are placing men in an untenable position. Its has become so bad that such wicked views are encouched in law, and supported by the Ahab's of society. Ultimately this Jezebel agenda is infecting churches and is claiming many "silly women laden with sins".

From the research I've done, one of the government's agenda is to break up families. If you can break up the family unit, the state can control society a lot easier. The feminists are useful idiots. They are just being used by our corrupt governments to damage the family unit.

Our sisters in Christ (the ones who are truly born again) need to oppose this and help their Christian brothers. Men, too, need to man up and stop bowing to this nonsense of feminism. It has nothing to do with trying to control your wife, it's about opposing a evil agenda that is destroying marriage and families. I wish more people would see the big picture.

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