Wives submit to your husbands

Selene · Mar 21, 2013

Stephen100 said:
No disrespect sister, but your theology is wrong again. When Jesus said "Whoever wished to be first will be last and whoever puts himself last will be first., " he was referring to the Jews and the Gentiles. The Jews always put themselves first and rejected outsiders. However, most of the Jewish people rejected Jesus, whereas most Gentiles accepted him. The Gentiles were humble and accepted the message of the few Jews who followed Jesus. It is ludicrous to take this verse and apply it to marriage, because God has already put the husband over his wife, not to abuse her, but to have righteous authority over her.

Yes, but it's ancient history

The washing of the feet had nothing to do with Jews and Gentiles. It had everything to do with humility. Christ was humble, and He was teaching His Church humility. That was the example the Church follows. Humility does not mean to be a slave to the husband. Humility means truth.....a truth taught by Christ as her head. And Christ not only taught His Church to be humble. He also humbled Himself.

Christ never put the woman under her husband as a slave. He put the woman beside the husband because she is bones of his bones and flesh of his flesh. To be under someone is to be treated as a slave or servant. Eve was created from Adam's ribs (his side) because she was to stand beside her husband. Both husband and wife are one just as Christ and the Church are one.

Ephesians 5:28-30 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself. For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church: For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.

Angelina · Mar 21, 2013

Are you asking to ascertain why the discussion on Marriage. Why, because he may be bitter. Therefore has a "thing" against women.
Still even if it's true- I'm not suggesting it is-it doesn't change the tenor of God's message to wives. Does it?

I wasn't addressing you JB... :huh: If I did...I would say "JB" Okay

JB_Reformed Baptist · Mar 21, 2013

Angelina said:
I wasn't addressing you JB... :huh: If I did...I would say "JB" Okay

In any case you should have identified with whom you were speaking, period. SHALOM

Angelina · Mar 21, 2013

It was quite obvious that I was answering Stephens quote since Stephen had quoted me in his post. Then I answered...check above... :huh: <sigh>

Stephen100 · Mar 21, 2013

Selene said:
The washing of the feet had nothing to do with Jews and Gentiles. It had everything to do with humility. Christ was humble, and He was teaching His Church humility. That was the example the Church follows. Humility does not mean to be a slave to the husband. Humility means truth.....a truth taught by Christ as her head. And Christ not only taught His Church to be humble. He also humbled Himself.

Christ never put the woman under her husband as a slave. He put the woman beside the husband because she is bones. To be under someone is to be treated as a slave or servant. Eve was created from Adam's ribs (his side) because she was to stand beside her husband. Both husband and wife are one just as Christ and the Church are one.

Ephesians 5:28-30 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself. For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church: For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.

What you're doing is ignoring the big picture. In Genesis 3:16 God told Eve that Adam would rule over her. Sarah also called Abraham lord. And in the New Testament, we are told that the husband is the head of his wife and that wives are to submit to their husbands in everything (Ephesians 5:24).

What you're doing is pushing all this to one side and looking for verses that you can take out of context to argue that the wife is not under her husband's authority. I have never once said that a wife is suppose to be a slave, so please don't imply things that I have never said.

Just because male and female are both one in Christ does not mean they both have the same authority. Jesus and his Father are both one, yet the Father is in a higher position of authority than the Son. God still has an order for the family unit, and he gave husbands the authority.

JB_Reformed Baptist · Mar 21, 2013

Stephen100 said:
From the research I've done, one of the government's agenda is to break up families. If you can break up the family unit, the state can control society a lot easier. The feminists are useful idiots. They are just being used by our corrupt governments to damage the family unit.

Our sisters in Christ (the ones who are truly born again) need to oppose this and help their Christian brothers. Men, too, need to man up and stop bowing to this nonsense of feminism. It has nothing to do with trying to control your wife, it's about opposing a evil agenda that is destroying marriage and families. I wish more people would see the big picture.

Why would a non-entity in the sense a nameless face seek to break up families. NO, the government might be the 'tool' used to bring this about, but wicked women and men, formerly referred to as "Jezebel's and Ahab's" have a diabolical agenda. The same lie has been repeated again by Satan to the woman.

My understanding is that it's an occult based agenda. But as to standing up and apposing such a thing ONLY men who actually lead in the home would have the inclination to do this and other men who haven't had their gonads removed- metaphorically speaking- will too. As to why a woman would, I have no clear idea at the moment, except to say it doesn't interest them.

Angelina said:
It was quite obvious that I was answering Stephens quote since Stephen had quoted me in his post. Then I answered...check above... :huh: <sigh>

Who can argue with that?

Stephen100 · Mar 21, 2013

JB_Reformed Baptist said:
Why would a non-entity in the sense a nameless face seek to break up families. NO, the government might be the 'tool' used to bring this about, but wicked women and men, formerly referred to as "Jezebel's and Ahab's" have a diabolical agenda. The same lie has been repeated again by Satan to the woman.

My understanding is that it's an occult based agenda. But as to standing up and apposing such a thing ONLY men who actually lead in the home would have the inclination to do this and other men who haven't had their gonads removed- metaphorically speaking- will too. As to why a woman would, I have no clear idea at the moment, except to say it doesn't interest them.

Who can argue with that?

Well, the governments are controlled by Satanists--the Illuminati. The Illuminati are 13 families who are mega rich. They are trillionaires. They run the big banks, the gold, the drug companies, the media, etc. These are the people who control our governments, and they are deeply involved in Satanism. Their agenda is a one world government. They want to break up society, and one way to break up society is to attack the family. Let me explain how they do it:

One way they have managed to break up marriages and family is by making divorce very tempting for women. They have also taken away father's rights. They have created a society where single mothers can rely on the government for support instead of the husband.

They also use the media to attack people's minds. Marriage and family is constantly under attack. The media likes to mock the idea of marriage. They are now trying to legalize gay marriage. They have also used the media to dupe women into having abortions. They tell women that it's not a human life, but rather a fetus--a blob of jelly. The father has absolutely no rights.

Sure, men and women are still responsible, but our governments, who are controlled by the Illuminati, have done a good job at manipulating people's minds and causing conflict between men and women. When was there ever a "battle of the sexes"? Yet this has been used to get men and women to compete against each other.

But things are worse now than ever before because this agenda has now made its way into many churches, and Christians have become too politically correct to oppose it.

Ruth · Mar 21, 2013

Axehead said:
Stephen,
You have no idea what marriage is all about.
Don't give advice on marriage and yes, don't get married. Spare the poor soul.

Agreed about spare the poor soul, the women who would be under his authority would be abused, for Stephen has. Much bitterness towards women and lack of compassion.

williemac · Mar 21, 2013

Stephen100 said:
Compared to how many people won't make it, it will only be a few. These are Jesus' words, not mine. And the husband is still the head of his wife. Even if the husband is not loving his wife, she still has to submit. In the same way, if a wife does not submit, the husband still has to love her. But the wife does not have equal authority in the family. God ordained men for this. It is Satan who tries to say otherwise. Feminism has nothing to do with equality. It's about attacking a man's authority and masculinity. And the criticizing of men that you so much like to pint out, I can make a long list of sinful things that women do. You sound slightly sexist towards men. Are you a feminist?

In the first place, what Jesus said was true at the time He said it. However, one of His purposes at Calvary was to change the current situation and make life a free gift. This fact is found in Paul's letters. Jesus solved the issue that He came to solve. Thereofe, as the bible also says, the multitude around the throne is so great that it cannot be numbered. This isn't a few, nor is it a few thousand, nor a few million. You say that it is a few compared to they who won't make it. However, that is not what you said in the beginning. You implied that the way to life has some hurdles that are not going to be cleared by many in today's church. Your comment was a direct judgment against the church. This tells me that you possibly have not understood Jesus' promise that those who are in Him by faith will not be judged (John 5:24).

As for me...a feminist? Hardly! Did you not read my post? I spoke of a man's role as the strong one in a relationship. This is not masculine to you? I don't disagree with your take on feminism. However, I disagree with your connecting a few people's interpretaion of the woman's role, to the feminist movement.

Stephen100 · Mar 21, 2013

Ruth said:
Agreed about spare the poor soul, the women who would be under his authority would be abused, for Stephen has. Much bitterness towards women and lack of compassion.

Yawn

williemac said:
In the first place, what Jesus said was true at the time He said it. However, one of His purposes at Calvary was to change the current situation and make life a free gift. This fact is found in Paul's letters. Jesus solved the issue that He came to solve. Thereofe, as the bible also says, the multitude around the throne is so great that it cannot be numbered. This isn't a few, nor is it a few thousand, nor a few million. You say that it is a few compared to they who won't make it. However, that is not what you said in the beginning. You implied that the way to life has some hurdles that are not going to be cleared by many in today's church. Your comment was a direct judgment against the church. This tells me that you possibly have not understood Jesus' promise that those who are in Him by faith will not be judged (John 5:24).

As for me...a feminist? Hardly! Did you not read my post? I spoke of a man's role as the strong one in a relationship. This is not masculine to you? I don't disagree with your take on feminism. However, I disagree with your connecting a few people's interpretaion of the woman's role, to the feminist movement.

Jesus said that the road to life is narrow and that only few find it. I don't know how much clearer he could have made it.

JB_Reformed Baptist · Mar 21, 2013

Stephen100 said:
Well, the governments are controlled by Satanists--the Illuminati. The Illuminati are 13 families who are mega rich. They are trillionaires. They run the big banks, the gold, the drug companies, the media, etc. These are the people who control our governments, and they are deeply involved in Satanism. Their agenda is a one world government. They want to break up society, and one way to break up society is to attack the family. Let me explain how they do it:

One way they have managed to break up marriages and family is by making divorce very tempting for women. They have also taken away father's rights. They have created a society where single mothers can rely on the government for support instead of the husband.

They also use the media to attack people's minds. Marriage and family is constantly under attack. The media likes to mock the idea of marriage. They are now trying to legalize gay marriage. They have also used the media to dupe women into having abortions. They tell women that it's not a human life, but rather a fetus--a blob of jelly. The father has absolutely no rights.

Sure, men and women are still responsible, but our governments, who are controlled by the Illuminati, have done a good job at manipulating people's minds and causing conflict between men and women. When was there ever a "battle of the sexes"? Yet this has been used to get men and women to compete against each other.

But things are worse now than ever before because this agenda has now made its way into many churches, and Christians have become too politically correct to oppose it.

I've heard of this a long time ago A dear sister in the LORD and a few others were keeping up with this conspiracy. As for me I suppose it could be possible after all a one world government is all but done. Also the idea of a cashless society seems to becoming a greater reality. As to the mark of the beast i would suggest a mark on the right hand or forehead is possibly more symbolic then real. It seems to me that the "mark" is a state of mind within individuals rather than a physical entity.

Stephen100 · Mar 21, 2013

JB_Reformed Baptist said:
I've heard of this a long time ago A dear sister in the LORD and a few others were keeping up with this conspiracy. As for me I suppose it could be possible after all a one world government is all but done. Also the idea of a cashless society seems to becoming a greater reality. As to the mark of the beast i would suggest a mark on the right hand or forehead is possibly more symbolic then real. It seems to me that the "mark" is a state of mind within individuals rather than a physical entity.

Well, from my research, I believe the mark of the beast is going to be a massive deception. A member of the Illuminati, Nick Rockefeller, apparently admitted that very soon everybody is going to have a micro chip put into their hands. I also know of a famous pastor whose friend told him that a doctor admitted to him that scientists, for many years, have been working on a micro chip that will be put into people's hand.

However, I use to do a lot of study on Bible prophecy, and I believe 100% that the Bible points to Islam as the beast and Antichrist. In Islam, Muslims often wear a symbol around their forehead and around their right arm. The symbol, in Arabic, says, "There is no God but Allah and Muhammad is his messenger." This is blasphemy! Remember, the Bible says that this will be a blasphemous mark on the right hand or on the forehead. To say that there is no God but Allah is blasphemy against the true God, Jehovah. Yet Middle Eastern Muslims wear this blasphemous mark on their right arm and around their forehead.

I believe Satan is trying to convince Christians that the Antichrist will come out of the papacy or the US government. As soon as the US government bring out this computer chip, most Christians will automatically think that this is the mark. However, the real Antichrist, the Islamic Messiah, will emerge as a false savior. Many Christians will be deceived.

However, the rapture might happen before the Antichrist arrives. Only God knows.

Selene · Mar 21, 2013

Stephen100 said:
From the research I've done, one of the government's agenda is to break up families. If you can break up the family unit, the state can control society a lot easier. The feminists are useful idiots. They are just being used by our corrupt governments to damage the family unit.

Our sisters in Christ (the ones who are truly born again) need to oppose this and help their Christian brothers. Men, too, need to man up and stop bowing to this nonsense of feminism. It has nothing to do with trying to control your wife, it's about opposing a evil agenda that is destroying marriage and families. I wish more people would see the big picture.

I am not a feminist. The feminist's claim is a false one. They actually lowered the status of women to be objects rather than human beings. The feminists support abortion and contraception. They feel that by giving women the right to abortion and contraception, they are making her equal to men, but this is a false claim. Women were already created equal to men as human beings but differently in that the woman can carry a child.

When women were given the right of abortion and contraception, they turned women into objects of desire for men. So, now men can use women as sexual objects and don't have to worry or take responsibility for unwanted pregnancies. Statistics have shown that more women were forced into abortion by their male partners...so how can this be a woman's right? Today, there are some men who misinterpret scripture to force their wives into becoming subordinates rather than partners. This is the same as what the feminists have been doing to women when they degrade their status from human beings into objects of desires for lustful men.

williemac · Mar 21, 2013

Stephen100 said:
Yawn

Jesus said that the road to life is narrow and that only few find it. I don't know how much clearer he could have made it.

He made it very clear. But I pointed that out, didn't I? This is now off topic, but I want to say something that you obviously have not heard nor considered. When Jesus was on the planet, He came to those under the law and taught them according to the law. Later on, Paul revealed the purpose of the law. It was a tutor, given for a time until faith should come. Jesus spoke of salvation by faith, but the fact is that the covnenant of faith did not commence until after His death. Therefore many things He said are not to be applied to the present covnenant. They were intended to do what the law was given to do; take away one's confidence in the flesh. And the fact is, under the law His words rang true. The way to life was very difficult. However, the promise to Abraham was not a reflection of what Jesus said when He said it. The promise was that of many, not few. Jesus solved the issue that was the obsticle in man's way to life.

JB_Reformed Baptist · Mar 21, 2013

Stephen100 said:
Well, from my research, I believe the mark of the beast is going to be a massive deception. A member of the Illuminati, Nick Rockefeller, apparently admitted that very soon everybody is going to have a micro chip put into their hands. I also know of a famous pastor whose friend told him that a doctor admitted to him that scientists, for many years, have been working on a micro chip that will be put into people's hand.

However, I use to do a lot of study on Bible prophecy, and I believe 100% that the Bible points to Islam as the beast and Antichrist. In Islam, Muslims often wear a symbol around their forehead and around their right arm. The symbol, in Arabic, says, "There is no God but Allah and Muhammad is his messenger." This is blasphemy! Remember, the Bible says that this will be a blasphemous mark on the right hand or on the forehead. To say that there is no God but Allah is blasphemy against the true God, Jehovah. Yet Middle Eastern Muslims wear this blasphemous mark on their right arm and around their forehead.

I believe Satan is trying to convince Christians that the Antichrist will come out of the papacy or the US government. As soon as the US government bring out this computer chip, most Christians will automatically think that this is the mark. However, the real Antichrist, the Islamic Messiah, will emerge as a false savior. Many Christians will be deceived.

However, the rapture might happen before the Antichrist arrives. Only God knows.

Interesting.

Selene said:
I am not a feminist. The feminist's claim is a false one. They actually lowered the status of women to be objects rather than human beings. The feminists support abortion and contraception. They feel that by giving women the right to abortion and contraception, they are making her equal to men, but this is a false claim. Women were already created equal to men as human beings but differently in that the woman can carry a child.

When women were given the right of abortion and contraception, they turned women into objects of desire for men. So, now men can use women as sexual objects and don't have to worry or take responsibility for unwanted pregnancies. Statistics have shown that more women were forced into abortion by their male partners...so how can this be a woman's right? Today, there are some men who misinterpret scripture to force their wives into becoming subordinates rather than partners. This is the same as what the feminists have been doing to women when they degrade their status from human beings into objects of desires for lustful men.

Your own words and tone contradict you & you're not a feminist? LOL Take another look.

Stephen100 · Mar 21, 2013

williemac said:
He made it very clear. But I pointed that out, didn't I? This is now off topic, but I want to say something that you obviously have not heard nor considered. When Jesus was on the planet, He came to those under the law and taught them according to the law. Later on, Paul revealed the purpose of the law. It was a tutor, given for a time until faith should come. Jesus spoke of salvation by faith, but the fact is that the covnenant of faith did not commence until after His death. Therefore many things He said are not to be applied to the present covnenant. They were intended to do what the law was given to do; take away one's confidence in the flesh. And the fact is, under the law His words rang true. The way to life was very difficult. However, the promise to Abraham was not a reflection of what Jesus said when He said it. The promise was that of many, not few. Jesus solved the issue that was the obsticle in man's way to life.

Yes, and the majority of people in the world do not follow Christ. So yes, only a few will enter compared to how many will not.

JB_Reformed Baptist · Mar 21, 2013

williemac said:
He made it very clear. But I pointed that out, didn't I? This is now off topic, but I want to say something that you obviously have not heard nor considered. When Jesus was on the planet, He came to those under the law and taught them according to the law. Later on, Paul revealed the purpose of the law. It was a tutor, given for a time until faith should come. Jesus spoke of salvation by faith, but the fact is that the covnenant of faith did not commence until after His death. Therefore many things He said are not to be applied to the present covnenant. They were intended to do what the law was given to do; take away one's confidence in the flesh. And the fact is, under the law His words rang true. The way to life was very difficult. However, the promise to Abraham was not a reflection of what Jesus said when He said it. The promise was that of many, not few. Jesus solved the issue that was the obsticle in man's way to life.

That's right, Jesus came to emancipate oppressed woman, right.? Giving equal status, equality as it were. Now we can appoint woman as leaders of the home with their husbands and shepherds of the flock. Why, because S.N.A.G Jesus came to set them free from the tyranny of man? {sarcasm off}

WRONG! ALL OF IT. What you espouse is lawlessness. The law is NOT abolished, it just doesn't hang over our heads as an axe does to the bottom of a tree. Rather, those who're born of the spirit of God delight in walking according to his commandments. In fact they're are described as those who " have the testimony of Jesus and KEEP his commandments".

The LETTER killeth(as an axe) but the SPIRIT(new life) giveth LIFE. Empowered to walk as HE walked. Praise the LORD!

NB: What Jesus did do was correct the abuses and misinformation that through generations of sinful thinking and behavior, had collected against one of God's finest creatures. They being co-heirs of life and eternal life but not to destroy his order(law natural and spiritual) that was set at creation and will not expire until he wraps all things up.

Stephen100 · Mar 21, 2013

Selene said:
I am not a feminist. The feminist's claim is a false one. They actually lowered the status of women to be objects rather than human beings. The feminists support abortion and contraception. They feel that by giving women the right to abortion and contraception, they are making her equal to men, but this is a false claim. Women were already created equal to men as human beings but differently in that the woman can carry a child.

When women were given the right of abortion and contraception, they turned women into objects of desire for men. So, now men can use women as sexual objects and don't have to worry or take responsibility for unwanted pregnancies. Statistics have shown that more women were forced into abortion by their male partners...so how can this be a woman's right? Today, there are some men who misinterpret scripture to force their wives into becoming subordinates rather than partners. This is the same as what the feminists have been doing to women when they degrade their status from human beings into objects of desires for lustful men.

HAHAHAHA, dear oh dear. I can't help but snigger at what you said about abortion, that more women are forced into abortion by their male partners. Where did you get these statistics, off a feminist website? If you actually believe these statistics, then surely we must be in the last days. Guess what, I've actually heard people say that women who become porn stars were raped by their father or uncle. I've even heard people say that women who commit adultery were forced into it by their husbands. In other words, our society hates men so much, that no matter what a woman does, it has to be a man's fault. If a woman has an abortion, her boyfriend made her do it. If a woman commits adultery, her husband pushed her into it. If a woman becomes a porn star, it's because her father raped her. Give me a break!

I've heard many women admit to having an abortion because she was not ready to be a mother, but I've never heard a woman say she had an abortion because her boyfriend forced her into it. This is just another attempt to switch the blame on men. And by the way, nobodys putting a gun to the woman's head and forcing her to kill her baby. Do you realize how silly this sounds: "Oh, I killed by baby because my boyfriend forced me into it." Sigh! How silly.

JB_Reformed Baptist said:
Interesting.

Your own words and tone contradict you & you're not a feminist? LOL Take another look.

Well, apparently is men's fault that most women kill their unborn children. Apparently she has some statistics that prove this, LOL.

Selene · Mar 21, 2013

JB_Reformed Baptist said:
Interesting.

Your own words and tone contradict you & you're not a feminist? LOL Take another look.

A marriage is when the husband and wife are one and equal for all are equal in Christ Jesus. You put a woman as a servant rather than a partner. A feminist does the same thing. She puts the woman under the feet of the man.

Stephen100 said:
HAHAHAHA, dear oh dear. I can't help but snigger at what you said about abortion, that more women are forced into abortion by their male partners. Where did you get these statistics, off a feminist website? If you actually believe these statistics, then surely we must be in the last days. Guess what, I've actually heard people say that women who become porn stars were raped by their father or uncle. I've even heard people say that women who commit adultery were forced into it by their husbands. In other words, our society hates men so much, that no matter what a woman does, it has to be a man's fault. If a woman has an abortion, her boyfriend made her do it. If a woman commits adultery, her husband pushed her into it. If a woman becomes a porn star, it's because her father raped her. Give me a break!

I've heard many women admit to having an abortion because she was not ready to be a mother, but I've never heard a woman say she had an abortion because her boyfriend forced her into it. This is just another attempt to switch the blame on men. And by the way, nobodys putting a gun to the woman's head and forcing her to kill her baby. Do you realize how silly this sounds: "Oh, I killed by baby because my boyfriend forced me into it." Sigh! How silly.

Well, apparently is men's fault that most women kill their unborn children. Apparently she has some statistics that prove this, LOL.

Here are the facts:

64 percent of abortions involve some sort of coercion.
45 percent of men interviewed at abortion clinics recalled urging abortion, including 37 percent of married men.
Teens are at higher risk for becoming victims of coerced abortion.

http://www.mccl.org/forced-abortion.html

Here are more facts about abortion in America.

http://www.theunchoice.com/pdf/FactSheets/ForcedAbortions.pdf

A man is called to love, cherish, take care, and protect his wife. There is nothing loving about making a wife into a slave or a servant so that the man will always be happy. As for the woman, she is called to obey, trust, and have faith in her husband. A true marriage is when both are happy.....not when the husband is happy and the wife miserable and vice versa.

Stephen100 · Mar 21, 2013

Selene said:
A marriage is when the husband and wife are one and equal for all are equal in Christ Jesus. You put a woman as a servant rather than a partner. A feminist does the same thing. She puts the woman under the feet of the man.

Here are the facts:

64 percent of abortions involve some sort of coercion.

45 percent of men interviewed at abortion clinics recalled urging abortion, including 37 percent of married men.

Teens are at higher risk for becoming victims of coerced abortion.

http://www.mccl.org/forced-abortion.html

Here are more facts about abortion in America.

http://www.theunchoice.com/pdf/FactSheets/ForcedAbortions.pdf

A man is called to love, cherist, take care, and protect his wife. There is nothing loving about making a wife into a slave or a servant so that the man will always be happy. A true marriage is when both are happy.....not when the husband is happy and the wife miserable and vice versa.

As a Christian, you should know that internet statistics are unreliable. If I looked hard enough I'm sure I could find some internet statistics that contradict the ones you have just given me. Can you prove that these statistics are genuine? Any clever clogs can quote internet statistics. It proves nothing.

But, let's pretend that these statistics are genuine, which I highly doubt, at the end of the day it's the woman's body. Nobody is putting a gun to her head and forcing her to have an abortion. If a woman's boyfriend kept telling her to slit her daughter's throat and bury her in the backyard, do you seriously believe that any decent woman would obey him, and afterwards refuse to be called a murderer because her boyfriend pressured her into it? Sigh!

The husband is the head of his wife. I didn't say it. God said it. Those who do not obey God's commandments will be banished from the kingdom of heaven.

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