101G
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2 Arnie Manitoba, greeting in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.
As far as the "6 days" .... God himself said he created in 6 days .... and some of those days are specified as 24 hours (sun in place) ... so why should we think the first "days" are longer or different ??
and some of those days are specified as 24 hours (sun in place). that's not too intelligent to say, " that some days are 24hr solar days and others are not".
question, if some are specified as 24 hours (sun in place), then all 6 are not 24hr. days. only some?, as you said. that statement just killed your 24hr. 6 day creation theory, or belief. because if some are 24hr. and other are not, one cannot certify a 24hr 6 day creation through out the genesis account based on that answer.
2 ChristRoseFromTheDead, greeting in the name of the Lord Jesus the Christ.
when the universe was first expanding, say its the size of your living room, your standing in the center and you have an atomic clock in your hand. now you place another atomic clock in the place in your living room that is expanding, that will become the earth. As the universe expands away from you and the clock you placed in it goes with the expansion, you watch your clock and at the six day point the clock that was place where the earth would be formed is billions of light years away and it has ticked off 15.75 billion years. The amazing fact is that when the math is done, the clock at the center of the universe has ticked off a bit more than six days. I don't think that's by chance. Standing where we are it looks like 15.75 billion years, standing at the point of expansion it looks like 6 - 24 hour days, believe it or not.
that's a nice try. but you forget, the same exist in the galaxies that is expanding away from us. if we were on the opposite sides of the universe the same could be said of us, as we move away from the other prospective. but the fact is we are all moving, the earth is not the center of the universe. so that want fly, literally. the red shift proves that. and this is only if someone returns to the, as you say the exact point when everything began. that theory is based on if one is stationary. nothing is at absolute rest. and no one but God can do that. so the time dilation theory want work here. no one have left the planet for a million years and returned. or for 6 day and returned after a million years have passed.
and two, as you say "but from Adams point of view the universe looked like 15 billion years old, the rocks, the fish and animals trees all had plenty of time to create a stable garden, everything looked and was old from where Adam stood. But from the center of the universe looking at us, it only took 6 days as we now measure days".
again if that was the case, then the center of the universe should be at absolute rest, because it should not be moving. and hence, no days are recorded. because the source must be at rest, and everything else is moving away. and from adam point of view he would not exist. because from the center view no day have passed. and Adam would not exist. and if we are moving, and we are, then the time is accurate, just as you said from our point of view the earth would be millions or perhaps billions years old. thus the reality is an old earth, if one uses that theory.
my personal beliefs, is based on scriptures. and maybe from a different view of most Christians. the first thing we must understand is the different between the words, "CREATION" and "MADE". in God's creation there are no days in it. it was in an instance. "in that Instance, zero day CREATION". God CREATED the basic of all matter, (the various Quanta particle or bits), this was done in (Genesis 1:1 & 2). then God "MADE" everything else from the created matter in the beginning. the Genesis account is about making thing, not creating them. meaning that after God created matter (verse 1 & 2), everything else is made, or come into existence by light which hold or bind, and builds objects. these objects, seen and the unseen, living and non living. and the process of making things (solidified Light) is of God, because God is the source of all LIGHT. he hold everything, together, Colossians 1:16 "For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist". that word Consist is important to understand. this process, which everything is made is called evolution, NOT MAN evolution but according to God the creator. God's evolution, which include changing, shaping , fashioning, altering, or giving a figure, or an image to object. objects that is seen, or unseen, living, and non living from the matter he, (God) created in the beginning. to supporting a God evolution, by scripture, Genesis 1:9 "And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so". here the key word is "LET", as in verse11 "And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so". here again, God said LET, Let the earth BRING FORTH. here is a clear example of evolution, God, by letting the earth bring forth. but understand, it was God who put everything in the earth so that it can bring forth. so as I said, I believe in a God evolution, his controling hand. and by that controling hand we have all the variety of Plants and animals even unto today. Plants and animals after HIS, or THEIR KIND. and that word KIND means species or sort, and sort mean a particular kind, species, variety, class, or group, distinguished by a common character or nature. this is according to scripture. and some of these Plants and animals are extinct. and from some of these Plants and animals we get some of our energy sources today, like coal and oil. which did't happen ove just 6,000 years.
in conclusion, even the rocks can't say how old the earth really is. only God know. and with that I'll leave to him.
101G
As far as the "6 days" .... God himself said he created in 6 days .... and some of those days are specified as 24 hours (sun in place) ... so why should we think the first "days" are longer or different ??
and some of those days are specified as 24 hours (sun in place). that's not too intelligent to say, " that some days are 24hr solar days and others are not".
question, if some are specified as 24 hours (sun in place), then all 6 are not 24hr. days. only some?, as you said. that statement just killed your 24hr. 6 day creation theory, or belief. because if some are 24hr. and other are not, one cannot certify a 24hr 6 day creation through out the genesis account based on that answer.
2 ChristRoseFromTheDead, greeting in the name of the Lord Jesus the Christ.
when the universe was first expanding, say its the size of your living room, your standing in the center and you have an atomic clock in your hand. now you place another atomic clock in the place in your living room that is expanding, that will become the earth. As the universe expands away from you and the clock you placed in it goes with the expansion, you watch your clock and at the six day point the clock that was place where the earth would be formed is billions of light years away and it has ticked off 15.75 billion years. The amazing fact is that when the math is done, the clock at the center of the universe has ticked off a bit more than six days. I don't think that's by chance. Standing where we are it looks like 15.75 billion years, standing at the point of expansion it looks like 6 - 24 hour days, believe it or not.
that's a nice try. but you forget, the same exist in the galaxies that is expanding away from us. if we were on the opposite sides of the universe the same could be said of us, as we move away from the other prospective. but the fact is we are all moving, the earth is not the center of the universe. so that want fly, literally. the red shift proves that. and this is only if someone returns to the, as you say the exact point when everything began. that theory is based on if one is stationary. nothing is at absolute rest. and no one but God can do that. so the time dilation theory want work here. no one have left the planet for a million years and returned. or for 6 day and returned after a million years have passed.
and two, as you say "but from Adams point of view the universe looked like 15 billion years old, the rocks, the fish and animals trees all had plenty of time to create a stable garden, everything looked and was old from where Adam stood. But from the center of the universe looking at us, it only took 6 days as we now measure days".
again if that was the case, then the center of the universe should be at absolute rest, because it should not be moving. and hence, no days are recorded. because the source must be at rest, and everything else is moving away. and from adam point of view he would not exist. because from the center view no day have passed. and Adam would not exist. and if we are moving, and we are, then the time is accurate, just as you said from our point of view the earth would be millions or perhaps billions years old. thus the reality is an old earth, if one uses that theory.
my personal beliefs, is based on scriptures. and maybe from a different view of most Christians. the first thing we must understand is the different between the words, "CREATION" and "MADE". in God's creation there are no days in it. it was in an instance. "in that Instance, zero day CREATION". God CREATED the basic of all matter, (the various Quanta particle or bits), this was done in (Genesis 1:1 & 2). then God "MADE" everything else from the created matter in the beginning. the Genesis account is about making thing, not creating them. meaning that after God created matter (verse 1 & 2), everything else is made, or come into existence by light which hold or bind, and builds objects. these objects, seen and the unseen, living and non living. and the process of making things (solidified Light) is of God, because God is the source of all LIGHT. he hold everything, together, Colossians 1:16 "For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist". that word Consist is important to understand. this process, which everything is made is called evolution, NOT MAN evolution but according to God the creator. God's evolution, which include changing, shaping , fashioning, altering, or giving a figure, or an image to object. objects that is seen, or unseen, living, and non living from the matter he, (God) created in the beginning. to supporting a God evolution, by scripture, Genesis 1:9 "And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so". here the key word is "LET", as in verse11 "And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so". here again, God said LET, Let the earth BRING FORTH. here is a clear example of evolution, God, by letting the earth bring forth. but understand, it was God who put everything in the earth so that it can bring forth. so as I said, I believe in a God evolution, his controling hand. and by that controling hand we have all the variety of Plants and animals even unto today. Plants and animals after HIS, or THEIR KIND. and that word KIND means species or sort, and sort mean a particular kind, species, variety, class, or group, distinguished by a common character or nature. this is according to scripture. and some of these Plants and animals are extinct. and from some of these Plants and animals we get some of our energy sources today, like coal and oil. which did't happen ove just 6,000 years.
in conclusion, even the rocks can't say how old the earth really is. only God know. and with that I'll leave to him.
101G
