Regarding the law, & whether we are required to keep it. I say, no. Jesus has fulfilled the law for Christians. Kriss & I disagree on this. Which in a way is odd, because we would both be Jews, if it weren't for finding the Messiah. When I read the New testament the first time, the fact that we (as Christians) are freed from the law became crystal clear. Paul spent alot of time in Hebrews making that point. Does that mean I toss out the Old Testament? No. First off, God has revealed Himself thru both the OT & the NT. There is much to learn from it's study. Second, many of it's prophecies are yet to be fulfilled.
Instrumental Music In Worship???
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Do you see the significance? Jesus is a descendant of Jehoiachin (also called Jeconiah or Coniah). No descendant of that man could prosper on the throne of David in Jerusalem. So if Jesus reigns on David’s throne in Jerusalem he cannot prosper. It is so written in Jeremiah, and the scripture cannot be broken.The only way that Jesus can sit on David’s throne and prosper is to reign on that throne in heaven, and that’s exactly what he is doing right now.
No, Jesus is not a blood descendant of Jehoiachin, but Matthew's genealogy is his legal lineage only. But I won't elaborate on genealogies since I don't feel like it today, but traces the lineage of the kings and lost tribes of Israel. I don't know about your Jesus, but mine can reign anywhere, including in Judah, and is not limited to where He can rule from thus stripping Him of His deity. And that's a cheap shot justification for transferring the throne to heaven when this is an Earthly throne. This curse you talk about is called the "breach" BTW, and Christ will restore it. Your Jesus does not apparently.I am with Kriss. I believe in the lost tribes of Israel, and who they became.Furthermore, I suspect you are another preterist known for their long ramblings of scripture to piece together their theology to make it sound convincing. And perhaps the same one we debated before now going by a different handle for all we know. The folks on this forum do not believe in that position.
No, Jesus is not a blood descendant of Jehoiachin, but Matthew's genealogy is his legal lineage only. But I won't elaborate on genealogies since I don't feel like it today, but traces the lineage of the kings and lost tribes of Israel. I don't know about your Jesus, but mine can reign anywhere, including in Judah, and is not limited to where He can rule from thus stripping Him of His deity. And that's a cheap shot justification for transferring the throne to heaven when this is an Earthly throne. This curse you talk about is called the "breach" BTW, and Christ will restore it. Your Jesus does not apparently.I am with Kriss. I believe in the lost tribes of Israel, and who they became.Furthermore, I suspect you are another preterist known for their long ramblings of scripture to piece together their theology to make it sound convincing. And perhaps the same one we debated before now going by a different handle for all we know. The folks on this forum do not believe in that position.
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No, Jesus is not a blood descendant of Jehoiachin, but Matthew's genealogy is his legal lineage only. But I won't elaborate on genealogies since I don't feel like it today, but traces the lineage of the kings and lost tribes of Israel. I don't know about your Jesus, but mine can reign anywhere, including in Judah, and is not limited to where He can rule from thus stripping Him of His deity. And that's a cheap shot justification for transferring the throne to heaven when this is an Earthly throne. This curse you talk about is called the "breach" BTW, and Christ will restore it. Your Jesus does not apparently.I am with Kriss. I believe in the lost tribes of Israel, and who they became.Furthermore, I suspect you are another preterist known for their long ramblings of scripture to piece together their theology to make it sound convincing. And perhaps the same one we debated before now going by a different handle for all we know. The folks on this forum do not believe in that position.
Solomon sat on the throne of David" (1Kg 2:12). "Solomon sat on the throne of the Lord" (1Ch 29:23). We see that David’s throne is the Lord’s throne not a different throne.and the sciptures tell us that jesus will reign from david's throne, and it can't be when he returns because on that day, all of God's children will be taken and then the entire earth will be destroyed by intense heat.(2 pet. 10)
No, Jesus is not a blood descendant of Jehoiachin, but Matthew's genealogy is his legal lineage only. But I won't elaborate on genealogies since I don't feel like it today, but traces the lineage of the kings and lost tribes of Israel. I don't know about your Jesus, but mine can reign anywhere, including in Judah, and is not limited to where He can rule from thus stripping Him of His deity. And that's a cheap shot justification for transferring the throne to heaven when this is an Earthly throne. This curse you talk about is called the "breach" BTW, and Christ will restore it. Your Jesus does not apparently.I am with Kriss. I believe in the lost tribes of Israel, and who they became.Furthermore, I suspect you are another preterist known for their long ramblings of scripture to piece together their theology to make it sound convincing. And perhaps the same one we debated before now going by a different handle for all we know. The folks on this forum do not believe in that position.
Solomon sat on the throne of David" (1Kg 2:12). "Solomon sat on the throne of the Lord" (1Ch 29:23). We see that David’s throne is the Lord’s throne not a different throne.and the sciptures tell us that jesus will reign from david's throne, and it can't be when he returns because on that day, all of God's children will be taken and then the entire earth will be destroyed by intense heat.(2 pet. 10)
regarding the lost tribes of israel, anybody can be a christian, and what if there is somebody who desended from a gentile nation. would they be able to be christians?
This thread has become ridiculous as your reasoning Musical interments are not against God nor is the Law obsolete if you cant understand the bible on this fine do as you like and do not touch instruments. Listen to men whatever but stop trying to convince everyone here you are following scripture for your instrument arguments. If you choose to not believe what we said as biblical your choice. But you are just arguing with the air here. Your obviously not interested in hearing/learning anything just posting your opinions so keep your opinions fine with us.
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This thread has become ridiculous as your reasoning Musical interments are not against God nor is the Law obsolete if you cant understand the bible on this fine do as you like and do not touch instruments. Listen to men whatever but stop trying to convince everyone here you are following scripture for your instrument arguments. If you choose to not believe what we said as biblical your choice. But you are just arguing with the air here. Your obviously not interested in hearing/learning anything just posting your opinions so keep your opinions fine with us.
with all due respect, I am the only one that continueally uses scripture to back up my points instead of saying "you're wrong". and yes I love how you use the word obsolete and say that the law is not obsolete, when that directly contradicts the bible when it says, In that he says, "A new covenant," He made the first OBSOLETE. now what is becoming OBSOLETE and growing old is ready to vanish away.(heb. 8:13)(NKJV). I have a ton more of scriputual arguments against mecanical instruments in worship, but we got sidetracked when we started discussing the covanents.plus the only argument that has been given for mechanical instruments in worship is that the mosaic law has not been fulfilled. because the scripture tells us that when the law was fulfilled it would be taken away. paul describes the law as out schoolmaster(tutor) to bring us to Christ, but once Christ came we are no longer under the schoolmaster(tutor).(gal. 3:24-25)paul even says later on in Gal. 5:4 that you who attempt to be justified by the law, you have fallen from grace.the bible plainly teaches that the mosaic law has been fulfilled and been done away with. and no, I do not believe that we should throw it out, for without the old testament the new testament would make no sense whatsoever.the only defense that has been given regarding the law still being binding is matt. 5:17-18, which clearly teaches that the law will be done away with when it was fulfilled.if the law is still binding then why aren't we killing homosexuals, because that was clearly taught in the law.
This thread has become ridiculous as your reasoning Musical interments are not against God nor is the Law obsolete if you cant understand the bible on this fine do as you like and do not touch instruments. Listen to men whatever but stop trying to convince everyone here you are following scripture for your instrument arguments. If you choose to not believe what we said as biblical your choice. But you are just arguing with the air here. Your obviously not interested in hearing/learning anything just posting your opinions so keep your opinions fine with us.
with all due respect, I am the only one that continueally uses scripture to back up my points instead of saying "you're wrong". and yes I love how you use the word obsolete and say that the law is not obsolete, when that directly contradicts the bible when it says, In that he says, "A new covenant," He made the first OBSOLETE. now what is becoming OBSOLETE and growing old is ready to vanish away.(heb. 8:13)(NKJV). I have a ton more of scriputual arguments against mecanical instruments in worship, but we got sidetracked when we started discussing the covanents.plus the only argument that has been given for mechanical instruments in worship is that the mosaic law has not been fulfilled. because the scripture tells us that when the law was fulfilled it would be taken away. paul describes the law as out schoolmaster(tutor) to bring us to Christ, but once Christ came we are no longer under the schoolmaster(tutor).(gal. 3:24-25)paul even says later on in Gal. 5:4 that you who attempt to be justified by the law, you have fallen from grace.the bible plainly teaches that the mosaic law has been fulfilled and been done away with. and no, I do not believe that we should throw it out, for without the old testament the new testament would make no sense whatsoever.the only defense that has been given regarding the law still being binding is matt. 5:17-18, which clearly teaches that the law will be done away with when it was fulfilled.if the law is still binding then why aren't we killing homosexuals, because that was clearly taught in the law.
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This thread has become ridiculous as your reasoning Musical interments are not against God nor is the Law obsolete if you cant understand the bible on this fine do as you like and do not touch instruments. Listen to men whatever but stop trying to convince everyone here you are following scripture for your instrument arguments. If you choose to not believe what we said as biblical your choice.But you are just arguing with the air here. Your obviously not interested in hearing/learning anything just posting your opinions so keep your opinions fine with us.
with all due respect, I am the only one that continueally uses scripture to back up my points instead of saying "you're wrong". and yes I love how you use the word obsolete and say that the law is not obsolete, when that directly contradicts the bible when it says, In that he says, "A new covenant," He made the first OBSOLETE. now what is becoming OBSOLETE and growing old is ready to vanish away.(heb. 8:13)(NKJV). I have a ton more of scriputual arguments against mecanical instruments in worship, but we got sidetracked when we started discussing the covanents.plus the only argument that has been given for mechanical instruments in worship is that the mosaic law has not been fulfilled. because the scripture tells us that when the law was fulfilled it would be taken away. paul describes the law as out schoolmaster(tutor) to bring us to Christ, but once Christ came we are no longer under the schoolmaster(tutor).(gal. 3:24-25)paul even says later on in Gal. 5:4 that you who attempt to be justified by the law, you have fallen from grace.the bible plainly teaches that the mosaic law has been fulfilled and been done away with. and no, I do not believe that we should throw it out, for without the old testament the new testament would make no sense whatsoever.the only defense that has been given regarding the law still being binding is matt. 5:17-18, which clearly teaches that the law will be done away with when it was fulfilled.if the law is still binding then why aren't we killing homosexuals, because that was clearly taught in the law.Mark 16:15 -And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.John 8:1-11 - Jesus went unto the mount of Olives. And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them. And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst, They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act. Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou? This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not. So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst. When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee? 1She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.John 8:12 - Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.Love much JagLovest ye in Christ Yahshua our Lord and Saviour.
(Kriss)
This thread has become ridiculous as your reasoning Musical interments are not against God nor is the Law obsolete if you cant understand the bible on this fine do as you like and do not touch instruments. Listen to men whatever but stop trying to convince everyone here you are following scripture for your instrument arguments. If you choose to not believe what we said as biblical your choice.But you are just arguing with the air here. Your obviously not interested in hearing/learning anything just posting your opinions so keep your opinions fine with us.
with all due respect, I am the only one that continueally uses scripture to back up my points instead of saying "you're wrong". and yes I love how you use the word obsolete and say that the law is not obsolete, when that directly contradicts the bible when it says, In that he says, "A new covenant," He made the first OBSOLETE. now what is becoming OBSOLETE and growing old is ready to vanish away.(heb. 8:13)(NKJV). I have a ton more of scriputual arguments against mecanical instruments in worship, but we got sidetracked when we started discussing the covanents.plus the only argument that has been given for mechanical instruments in worship is that the mosaic law has not been fulfilled. because the scripture tells us that when the law was fulfilled it would be taken away. paul describes the law as out schoolmaster(tutor) to bring us to Christ, but once Christ came we are no longer under the schoolmaster(tutor).(gal. 3:24-25)paul even says later on in Gal. 5:4 that you who attempt to be justified by the law, you have fallen from grace.the bible plainly teaches that the mosaic law has been fulfilled and been done away with. and no, I do not believe that we should throw it out, for without the old testament the new testament would make no sense whatsoever.the only defense that has been given regarding the law still being binding is matt. 5:17-18, which clearly teaches that the law will be done away with when it was fulfilled.if the law is still binding then why aren't we killing homosexuals, because that was clearly taught in the law.Mark 16:15 -And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.John 8:1-11 - Jesus went unto the mount of Olives. And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them. And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst, They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act. Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou? This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not. So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst. When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee? 1She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.John 8:12 - Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.Love much JagLovest ye in Christ Yahshua our Lord and Saviour.
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with all due respect, I am the only one that continueally uses scripture to back up my points instead of saying "you're wrong". and yes I love how you use the word obsolete and say that the law is not obsolete, when that directly contradicts the bible when it says, In that he says, "A new covenant," He made the first OBSOLETE. now what is becoming OBSOLETE and growing old is ready to vanish away.(heb. 8:13)(NKJV). I have a ton more of scriputual arguments against mecanical instruments in worship, but we got sidetracked when we started discussing the covanents.plus the only argument that has been given for mechanical instruments in worship is that the mosaic law has not been fulfilled. because the scripture tells us that when the law was fulfilled it would be taken away. paul describes the law as out schoolmaster(tutor) to bring us to Christ, but once Christ came we are no longer under the schoolmaster(tutor).(gal. 3:24-25)paul even says later on in Gal. 5:4 that you who attempt to be justified by the law, you have fallen from grace.the bible plainly teaches that the mosaic law has been fulfilled and been done away with. and no, I do not believe that we should throw it out, for without the old testament the new testament would make no sense whatsoever.the only defense that has been given regarding the law still being binding is matt. 5:17-18, which clearly teaches that the law will be done away with when it was fulfilled.if the law is still binding then why aren't we killing homosexuals, because that was clearly taught in the law.
No you are the only one that refuses to see the scripture we give you twist it to say what you want. And you are right about Matt 5:17 but it has not all been fulfilled and wont be till Christ returns just as I gave you scripture to support but you ignored as you have the rest.
with all due respect, I am the only one that continueally uses scripture to back up my points instead of saying "you're wrong". and yes I love how you use the word obsolete and say that the law is not obsolete, when that directly contradicts the bible when it says, In that he says, "A new covenant," He made the first OBSOLETE. now what is becoming OBSOLETE and growing old is ready to vanish away.(heb. 8:13)(NKJV). I have a ton more of scriputual arguments against mecanical instruments in worship, but we got sidetracked when we started discussing the covanents.plus the only argument that has been given for mechanical instruments in worship is that the mosaic law has not been fulfilled. because the scripture tells us that when the law was fulfilled it would be taken away. paul describes the law as out schoolmaster(tutor) to bring us to Christ, but once Christ came we are no longer under the schoolmaster(tutor).(gal. 3:24-25)paul even says later on in Gal. 5:4 that you who attempt to be justified by the law, you have fallen from grace.the bible plainly teaches that the mosaic law has been fulfilled and been done away with. and no, I do not believe that we should throw it out, for without the old testament the new testament would make no sense whatsoever.the only defense that has been given regarding the law still being binding is matt. 5:17-18, which clearly teaches that the law will be done away with when it was fulfilled.if the law is still binding then why aren't we killing homosexuals, because that was clearly taught in the law.
No you are the only one that refuses to see the scripture we give you twist it to say what you want. And you are right about Matt 5:17 but it has not all been fulfilled and wont be till Christ returns just as I gave you scripture to support but you ignored as you have the rest.
Matthew 5:17 "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil."There are many that teach that when Christ came and went to the cross at Calvary, and shed His blood for us that the law was done away with. Jesus Christ Himself declares here that this is just not so. Jesus declared here that; "think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the Prophets", Christ's purpose for coming to earth, was to complete every last prophecy that came out of the Prophets of old. That included the law, for the law was given for guidance for man, and it is as current today as it was three thousand years ago.Did you get that.If not you are not following his word. Unless you can prove every prophesy in the Word including his second coming is fulfilled the Law is in effect. God knew that man could not keep the law, and that is why He made the provision for man. When man broke the law, and the barrier came between God and man, and certain rites, ordinances, and rituals [sacrifices] were established by God to bring man back to God. These sacrifices were of the blood of sheep, goats and doves, and were a covering, [called atonement] that satisfied the Lord God for one year. The only permanent sacrifice that could atone for mans sin, was a spotless sacrifice, sinless, and the only one that could do that was God's only Son, Jesus Christ. This was known long before the setting forth of the planets. God's plan was even written in the constellations of the heavens. The moment our Lord Jesus Christ died on that cross, the veil in the Temple was parted. Matthew 27:50, 51; "Jesus, when He had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. [50] And, behold, the veil of the Temple was rent in twain form the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;" [51] My friend, this took place when every last rite, ordinance and sacrificial ritual that required a blood sacrifice of animals, (or part of those blood sacrifices) was done away with, for Jesus Christ's death on the cross fulfilled them all. Not the Law the rites, ordinances, ritualsHowever, those laws that deal with the governing of our everyday lives, were and are still on the books, and they are what God expects the true man and woman of God to follow. Those laws and commandments should be common knowledge to all mankind, for they are what all civilized law and government is based upon. The ten commandments, as Jesus will discuss later in this chapter, are just acting out plain common sense, and when anyone tells you that you don't have to follow the law because it is dead, and then you violate them, then you will deserve what ever punishment is given for it's violation.
Dustin, you posted because you wanted opinions. There is no support for musical instruments being disallowed in stripture. The verses you quote don't lead to that conclusion. Frankly, I'm stumped on where you came up with the idea. Look at Psalm 98. It mentions both singing & instruments.Let's step back & look at this again. Seek the guidance of the Holy Spirit. If I sing praises to God, do I honor Him? If I sing & play an instrument, don't I also honor Him? Why would you want to forbid me from praising God in either form?
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This thread has become ridiculous as your reasoning Musical interments are not against God nor is the Law obsolete if you cant understand the bible on this fine do as you like and do not touch instruments. Listen to men whatever but stop trying to convince everyone here you are following scripture for your instrument arguments. If you choose to not believe what we said as biblical your choice. But you are just arguing with the air here. Your obviously not interested in hearing/learning anything just posting your opinions so keep your opinions fine with us.
This is what I like about you, Kriss. You are truly "instrumental" in telling it like it is.
I won't say anything more about genealogies to this person either since I must admit I got off the topic, other than to say that the scriptures this person quoted are the very same ones I use to prove what I was saying. They are no stranger to me. How ironic!
This thread has become ridiculous as your reasoning Musical interments are not against God nor is the Law obsolete if you cant understand the bible on this fine do as you like and do not touch instruments. Listen to men whatever but stop trying to convince everyone here you are following scripture for your instrument arguments. If you choose to not believe what we said as biblical your choice. But you are just arguing with the air here. Your obviously not interested in hearing/learning anything just posting your opinions so keep your opinions fine with us.
This is what I like about you, Kriss. You are truly "instrumental" in telling it like it is.
Whatever is good, whatever is kind, whatever is virtuous, whatever helps draw people unto God, that do.TRUE GOOD music are able to express God's love to people, therefore draw them to God.
I believe in all of the Word. OT NT. 100% was true, is true, and is forever going to be true because because Jesus said, he did not come to destroy the law but fulfill it...he is the same yesterday today and forever...so if that's true than why would we question his commandments he gave to moses, or his favor on David who played music...for example David played for Saul when saul was ill and it soothed him...how is this wrong?If God never changed then what he said in the OT is still true and if you compare the OT to the NT you will notice that they fit together,(prophesies from the the OT are fulfilled in the NT. You must believe the whole bible or none of it becauseat the end of the bible it says"if you take away from the bible God will take away your name from the book of this prophesy."if you add to the bible, God will add to you the plagues described in the book of this prophesy."so either way...you can't discredit the bible it is the "TRUTH" for it has been proven true throughout history.
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I believe in all of the Word. OT NT. 100% was true, is true, and is forever going to be true because because Jesus said, he did not come to destroy the law but fulfill it...he is the same yesterday today and forever...so if that's true than why would we question his commandments he gave to moses, or his favor on David who played music...for example David played for Saul when saul was ill and it soothed him...how is this wrong?If God never changed then what he said in the OT is still true and if you compare the OT to the NT you will notice that they fit together,(prophesies from the the OT are fulfilled in the NT. You must believe the whole bible or none of it becauseat the end of the bible it says"if you take away from the bible God will take away your name from the book of this prophesy."if you add to the bible, God will add to you the plagues described in the book of this prophesy."so either way...you can't discredit the bible it is the "TRUTH" for it has been proven true throughout history.
I completely agree with you 100% elmo. :blessyou:Love much Jag,Lovest ye in Christ Yahshua our Lord and Saviour.
I believe in all of the Word. OT NT. 100% was true, is true, and is forever going to be true because because Jesus said, he did not come to destroy the law but fulfill it...he is the same yesterday today and forever...so if that's true than why would we question his commandments he gave to moses, or his favor on David who played music...for example David played for Saul when saul was ill and it soothed him...how is this wrong?If God never changed then what he said in the OT is still true and if you compare the OT to the NT you will notice that they fit together,(prophesies from the the OT are fulfilled in the NT. You must believe the whole bible or none of it becauseat the end of the bible it says"if you take away from the bible God will take away your name from the book of this prophesy."if you add to the bible, God will add to you the plagues described in the book of this prophesy."so either way...you can't discredit the bible it is the "TRUTH" for it has been proven true throughout history.
I completely agree with you 100% elmo. :blessyou:Love much Jag,Lovest ye in Christ Yahshua our Lord and Saviour.
hey guys, sorry it has been a while since I have posted.I would first like to point out that I am not saying that the old tesament is useless or that it was wrong or that we should just tear it up and throw it out. the point that I am trying to make is that the old tesament has been fulfilled, it was prophisied that it would be fulfilled and replaced (jer 31:31-32) and we are told that it was replaced several times in the new testament, I have shown scripture after scripture where it says that the old law was replaced or where it says that it is obsolete, or where it says the it is waxing old and ready to vanish. and still the only verse that is used in defense of the old tesament still being in effect is Matt. 5: 17-18 which clearly teaches that the old covanent will pass away when all is fulfilled. and in verse 17 Jesus tells us that he came to fulfill so that would make him a liar if he didn't fulfill it. wouldn't it?back to instrumental music in worshipMusical Praise in the New TestamentSinging as praise to God for New Testament ChristiansMatthew 26:30; Mark 14:26 - After instituting the Lord's supper Jesus and His disciples sang a hymn.Acts 16:25 - In prison, Paul and Silas were praying and singing hymns to God. Romans 15:9 - Prophets had predicted that (in the gospel age) Gentiles would glorify God for His mercy and sing to His name.1 Corinthians 14:15 - I will sing with the spirit and I will sing with the understanding.Ephesians 5:19 - Speaking to one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord.Colossians 3:16 - Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom, teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord. Hebrews 2:12 - In the midst of the congregation I will sing praise to You.Hebrews 13:15 - Therefore by Him let us continually offer the sacrifice of praise to God, that is, the fruit of our lips, giving thanks to His name. James 5:13 - Is any cheerful, let him sing psalms.This is a complete list of all New Testament verses that mention musical praise to God by Christians on earth. As in Old Testament examples, words like "sing," "speak," "teach," "admonish," and "lips" all clearly refer to vocal music. Note that this is proved, not just by the word "sing," but also by other words.Observations about instrumental music and dancing as New Testament praise to God The Old Testament explicitly stated that singing, playing instruments, and dancing were three distinct forms of musical expression, and each was an acceptable act of praise to God. The New Testament continues to describe singing as acceptable praise, but not one time are instruments or dancing mentioned as accepted forms of praise to God. The New Testament mentions instruments (12 times) and dancing (5 times), but never as acts of praise to God. Why does the New Testament contrast so powerfully to the Old Testament regarding instrumental music? If God still wants it today, why does He not clearly mention it in the New Testament, as He mentioned it in the Old Testament? He mentions instruments in the New Testament, but never for our praise to God. Why not?The Old Testament expressly authorized many practices which are nowhere authorized in New Testament service to God: the seventh-day sabbath, animal sacrifices, Levitical priesthood, burning incense, infant membership, circumcision, tithing, holy days, roast lamb in memorial feasts, dancing, and instrumental music. Since this law does not apply today, people generally omit these from service to God, yet some people want to keep instrumental music. Why leave some but take others? The very fact that God mentioned these practices repeatedly in the Old Testament, but does not mention them at all in the New Testament, proves that He does not want them now. If He wanted them, He would mention them now as He did then.Also, if instruments are acceptable in worship to God then why did all of the early christians not use them, it is well known that instruments were not even introduced into worship until around the 6th or 7th centuries and some scholars think it might even be as late as the 10th century. Also when it was introduced it was met with great controversy and it wasn't even widely accepted until around the 18th century. Most of the new christians use to be Jewish and lived under the law, but why all of a sudden did they stop using instrumental music in worship after they became christians?with all the love in my heart!
i agree with elmo God is the same yesterday today and foreveri have herd somewhere that God said if he gos back on hes word the stars well fall from the sky and time will stop light well tern to darkness and if this is true we wood be dead 
(God's Word Is TRUTH!!!;20263)
hey guys, sorry it has been a while since I have posted.I would first like to point out that I am not saying that the old tesament is useless or that it was wrong or that we should just tear it up and throw it out. the point that I am trying to make is that the old tesament has been fulfilled, it was prophisied that it would be fulfilled and replaced (jer 31:31-32) and we are told that it was replaced several times in the new testament, I have shown scripture after scripture where it says that the old law was replaced or where it says that it is obsolete, or where it says the it is waxing old and ready to vanish. and still the only verse that is used in defense of the old tesament still being in effect is Matt. 5: 17-18 which clearly teaches that the old covanent will pass away when all is fulfilled. and in verse 17 Jesus tells us that he came to fulfill so that would make him a liar if he didn't fulfill it. wouldn't it?back to instrumental music in worshipMusical Praise in the New TestamentSinging as praise to God for New Testament ChristiansMatthew 26:30; Mark 14:26 - After instituting the Lord's supper Jesus and His disciples sang a hymn.Acts 16:25 - In prison, Paul and Silas were praying and singing hymns to God. Romans 15:9 - Prophets had predicted that (in the gospel age) Gentiles would glorify God for His mercy and sing to His name.1 Corinthians 14:15 - I will sing with the spirit and I will sing with the understanding.Ephesians 5:19 - Speaking to one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord.Colossians 3:16 - Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom, teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord. Hebrews 2:12 - In the midst of the congregation I will sing praise to You.Hebrews 13:15 - Therefore by Him let us continually offer the sacrifice of praise to God, that is, the fruit of our lips, giving thanks to His name. James 5:13 - Is any cheerful, let him sing psalms.This is a complete list of all New Testament verses that mention musical praise to God by Christians on earth. As in Old Testament examples, words like "sing," "speak," "teach," "admonish," and "lips" all clearly refer to vocal music. Note that this is proved, not just by the word "sing," but also by other words.Observations about instrumental music and dancing as New Testament praise to God The Old Testament explicitly stated that singing, playing instruments, and dancing were three distinct forms of musical expression, and each was an acceptable act of praise to God. The New Testament continues to describe singing as acceptable praise, but not one time are instruments or dancing mentioned as accepted forms of praise to God. The New Testament mentions instruments (12 times) and dancing (5 times), but never as acts of praise to God. Why does the New Testament contrast so powerfully to the Old Testament regarding instrumental music? If God still wants it today, why does He not clearly mention it in the New Testament, as He mentioned it in the Old Testament? He mentions instruments in the New Testament, but never for our praise to God. Why not?The Old Testament expressly authorized many practices which are nowhere authorized in New Testament service to God: the seventh-day sabbath, animal sacrifices, Levitical priesthood, burning incense, infant membership, circumcision, tithing, holy days, roast lamb in memorial feasts, dancing, and instrumental music. Since this law does not apply today, people generally omit these from service to God, yet some people want to keep instrumental music. Why leave some but take others? The very fact that God mentioned these practices repeatedly in the Old Testament, but does not mention them at all in the New Testament, proves that He does not want them now. If He wanted them, He would mention them now as He did then.Also, if instruments are acceptable in worship to God then why did all of the early christians not use them, it is well known that instruments were not even introduced into worship until around the 6th or 7th centuries and some scholars think it might even be as late as the 10th century. Also when it was introduced it was met with great controversy and it wasn't even widely accepted until around the 18th century. Most of the new christians use to be Jewish and lived under the law, but why all of a sudden did they stop using instrumental music in worship after they became christians?with all the love in my heart!
Then you don't understand prophecy at all most of the Minor prophets are end time prophecy Daniel tells you his prophecy are for the latter days (now) Isaiah is full of unfulfilled prophecy as is Jer.,Ezek just to name a few even the New Testament speaks of the prophecy's that Daniel spoke of so if you think the O T is fulfilled you are just plain WRONG no other way to put it.
hey guys, sorry it has been a while since I have posted.I would first like to point out that I am not saying that the old tesament is useless or that it was wrong or that we should just tear it up and throw it out. the point that I am trying to make is that the old tesament has been fulfilled, it was prophisied that it would be fulfilled and replaced (jer 31:31-32) and we are told that it was replaced several times in the new testament, I have shown scripture after scripture where it says that the old law was replaced or where it says that it is obsolete, or where it says the it is waxing old and ready to vanish. and still the only verse that is used in defense of the old tesament still being in effect is Matt. 5: 17-18 which clearly teaches that the old covanent will pass away when all is fulfilled. and in verse 17 Jesus tells us that he came to fulfill so that would make him a liar if he didn't fulfill it. wouldn't it?back to instrumental music in worshipMusical Praise in the New TestamentSinging as praise to God for New Testament ChristiansMatthew 26:30; Mark 14:26 - After instituting the Lord's supper Jesus and His disciples sang a hymn.Acts 16:25 - In prison, Paul and Silas were praying and singing hymns to God. Romans 15:9 - Prophets had predicted that (in the gospel age) Gentiles would glorify God for His mercy and sing to His name.1 Corinthians 14:15 - I will sing with the spirit and I will sing with the understanding.Ephesians 5:19 - Speaking to one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord.Colossians 3:16 - Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom, teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord. Hebrews 2:12 - In the midst of the congregation I will sing praise to You.Hebrews 13:15 - Therefore by Him let us continually offer the sacrifice of praise to God, that is, the fruit of our lips, giving thanks to His name. James 5:13 - Is any cheerful, let him sing psalms.This is a complete list of all New Testament verses that mention musical praise to God by Christians on earth. As in Old Testament examples, words like "sing," "speak," "teach," "admonish," and "lips" all clearly refer to vocal music. Note that this is proved, not just by the word "sing," but also by other words.Observations about instrumental music and dancing as New Testament praise to God The Old Testament explicitly stated that singing, playing instruments, and dancing were three distinct forms of musical expression, and each was an acceptable act of praise to God. The New Testament continues to describe singing as acceptable praise, but not one time are instruments or dancing mentioned as accepted forms of praise to God. The New Testament mentions instruments (12 times) and dancing (5 times), but never as acts of praise to God. Why does the New Testament contrast so powerfully to the Old Testament regarding instrumental music? If God still wants it today, why does He not clearly mention it in the New Testament, as He mentioned it in the Old Testament? He mentions instruments in the New Testament, but never for our praise to God. Why not?The Old Testament expressly authorized many practices which are nowhere authorized in New Testament service to God: the seventh-day sabbath, animal sacrifices, Levitical priesthood, burning incense, infant membership, circumcision, tithing, holy days, roast lamb in memorial feasts, dancing, and instrumental music. Since this law does not apply today, people generally omit these from service to God, yet some people want to keep instrumental music. Why leave some but take others? The very fact that God mentioned these practices repeatedly in the Old Testament, but does not mention them at all in the New Testament, proves that He does not want them now. If He wanted them, He would mention them now as He did then.Also, if instruments are acceptable in worship to God then why did all of the early christians not use them, it is well known that instruments were not even introduced into worship until around the 6th or 7th centuries and some scholars think it might even be as late as the 10th century. Also when it was introduced it was met with great controversy and it wasn't even widely accepted until around the 18th century. Most of the new christians use to be Jewish and lived under the law, but why all of a sudden did they stop using instrumental music in worship after they became christians?with all the love in my heart!
Then you don't understand prophecy at all most of the Minor prophets are end time prophecy Daniel tells you his prophecy are for the latter days (now) Isaiah is full of unfulfilled prophecy as is Jer.,Ezek just to name a few even the New Testament speaks of the prophecy's that Daniel spoke of so if you think the O T is fulfilled you are just plain WRONG no other way to put it.
Praise in any form is acceptable.Dustin, you are taking the freedom we have in the New covenant. And adding restrictions that don't exist. You recognize the legalism of the Old testament law doesn't apply. So why choose to add new restrictions? I suggest reading Romans 14. Paul is addressing the specific question of eating meat & holy days. But read it to discern the way we are supposed to address these issues.
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