Why will the two witness' wear sackcloth?
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Because they are not yet clothed from on high in the shining white garments of the elect. Sackcloth is like wool or mohair which is itchy, prickly, scratchy, and worn obviously as a sign of grief. Wool is to the garment what leaven is to bread in the Scripture and that is that both wool and leaven are analogies for sin. For the same reason wool is forbidden in the garments of the priests, (and forbidden to be mixed with linens). Do you not think it strange that the "two witnesses" will apparently slay anyone who even thinks of "hurting" them or even contemplates doing them harm of any kind, (the type of "harm" is not specified but rather only the intent is what triggers their fiery response, lol) even though the Scripture clearly commands every one of us that "Thou shalt not kill" right there in the Ten Words Decalogue? There is no such thing as "righteous killing" done upon the earth by anyone, anywhere, and especially not since Yeshua went to the Cross. The Revelation 11 passage is symbolic of "the twins" which are about to be called up to stand before the Most High: Jacob has he loved but Esau has he hated, and both sons from the same lump of clay, one of them a son of the Most High and one of them a son of perdition and vessel fit for destruction.guysmith said:
I have wondered about that also ..... it is as though sackcloth is a distinguishing feature for the witnesses ..... anyone know what the modern day equivalent of sackcloth is ??
I believe because of the great sorrows around them, & even personally; at least 1/3rd of every person on Earth will have been killed, & even themselves have suffered dear losses. They will witness the innocent, infants & children afflicted, hospitals & old age homes abandoned, starvation all around them, nuclear burns, & poisoned waters, & this among the raging Anti-Christ murdering so many....& they carry God's heart. I believe that they will preach Jesus as redeemer, & above all, because they know God ordained them to; they will put it on out of obedience.
I wonder if it's itchy?...
I wonder if it's itchy?...
The DRB (Darby) is not one of my "translations of choice" but is most accurate in the following passage:
Zechariah 13:1-5 DRB
1. In that day there shall be a fountain opened to the house of David and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem for sin and for uncleanness.
2. And it shall come to pass in that day, saith Jehovah of hosts, that I will cut off the names of the idols out of the land, and they shall no more be remembered; and also I will cause the prophets and the unclean spirit to pass out of the land.
3. And it shall come to pass, if any shall yet prophesy, that his father and his mother that begat him shall say unto him, Thou shalt not live; for thou speakest lies in the name of Jehovah; and his father and his mother that begat him shall thrust him through when he prophesieth.
4. And it shall come to pass in that day, that the prophets shall be ashamed every one of his vision, when he prophesieth; neither shall they wear a hairy mantle to deceive.
5. And he shall say, I am no prophet, I am a tiller of the ground; ['adamah] for man acquired me as bondman from my youth.
Yes, I too am a tiller of the soil, and the Son of Man purchased me from my youth . . .
Each in his or her own appointed times, and none shall be alone in his appointed times . . .
Zechariah 13:1-5 DRB
1. In that day there shall be a fountain opened to the house of David and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem for sin and for uncleanness.
2. And it shall come to pass in that day, saith Jehovah of hosts, that I will cut off the names of the idols out of the land, and they shall no more be remembered; and also I will cause the prophets and the unclean spirit to pass out of the land.
3. And it shall come to pass, if any shall yet prophesy, that his father and his mother that begat him shall say unto him, Thou shalt not live; for thou speakest lies in the name of Jehovah; and his father and his mother that begat him shall thrust him through when he prophesieth.
4. And it shall come to pass in that day, that the prophets shall be ashamed every one of his vision, when he prophesieth; neither shall they wear a hairy mantle to deceive.
5. And he shall say, I am no prophet, I am a tiller of the ground; ['adamah] for man acquired me as bondman from my youth.
Yes, I too am a tiller of the soil, and the Son of Man purchased me from my youth . . .
Each in his or her own appointed times, and none shall be alone in his appointed times . . .
Because they are the two trumpets that will be assembling the True people of God while they fight off all who hate the people of God out of jealousy and His Word for it is torment for them to hear. They have sack clothe on because there is going to be a death in the family, Old Israel is going to die but don't worry, when Old Israel sees Joseph/Jesus His is STRENGTHENED. While only a remnant of 7,000 of her natural seed who God has spared by grace will make it there will be those who were made worthy in Christ will survive as they will be caught up as Restored Israel.
God is the one bringing all the nations armies against her to ravish her to see who has a willing heart to do so, and WOE to those who have pledged their allegiance to their countries flag to do so. However.... they will be deceived, because the only ones left in the land will be those who have refused Christ... the true people of God will be in the air with Christ looking down that come with him to fight against these nations who hated Israel. A holy nation that will be born in 1 day and the womb to heavenly Jerusalem our mother will be SHUT!
If you love the Jewish people, then we must cast them out of that old covenant of death due to sinful ways into the new where their past sins erased and eventually be taken away so God will remember them no more because they Don't do them anymore!
Zech 14:1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
KJV
Isa 66:5-10
5 Hear the word of the LORD, ye that tremble at his word; your brethren that hated you, that cast you out for my name's sake, said, Let the LORD be glorified: but he shall appear to your joy, and they shall be ashamed.
6 A voice of noise from the city, a voice from the temple, a voice of the LORD that rendereth recompence to his enemies.
7 Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child.
8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.
9 Shall I bring to the birth, and not cause to bring forth? saith the LORD: shall I cause to bring forth, and shut the womb? saith thy God.
10 Rejoice ye with {heavenly}Jerusalem, and be glad with her, all ye that love her: rejoice for joy with her, all ye that mourn for her {earthly Jerusalem who loved their flesh}:
KJV
Very Good, you have eyes to see!
God is the one bringing all the nations armies against her to ravish her to see who has a willing heart to do so, and WOE to those who have pledged their allegiance to their countries flag to do so. However.... they will be deceived, because the only ones left in the land will be those who have refused Christ... the true people of God will be in the air with Christ looking down that come with him to fight against these nations who hated Israel. A holy nation that will be born in 1 day and the womb to heavenly Jerusalem our mother will be SHUT!
If you love the Jewish people, then we must cast them out of that old covenant of death due to sinful ways into the new where their past sins erased and eventually be taken away so God will remember them no more because they Don't do them anymore!
Zech 14:1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
KJV
Isa 66:5-10
5 Hear the word of the LORD, ye that tremble at his word; your brethren that hated you, that cast you out for my name's sake, said, Let the LORD be glorified: but he shall appear to your joy, and they shall be ashamed.
6 A voice of noise from the city, a voice from the temple, a voice of the LORD that rendereth recompence to his enemies.
7 Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child.
8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.
9 Shall I bring to the birth, and not cause to bring forth? saith the LORD: shall I cause to bring forth, and shut the womb? saith thy God.
10 Rejoice ye with {heavenly}Jerusalem, and be glad with her, all ye that love her: rejoice for joy with her, all ye that mourn for her {earthly Jerusalem who loved their flesh}:
KJV
daq said:Because they are not yet clothed from on high in the shining white garments of the elect. Sackcloth is like wool or mohair which is itchy, prickly, scratchy, and worn obviously as a sign of grief. Wool is to the garment what leaven is to bread in the Scripture and that is that both wool and leaven are analogies for sin. For the same reason wool is forbidden in the garments of the priests, (and forbidden to be mixed with linens). Do you not think it strange that the "two witnesses" will apparently slay anyone who even thinks of "hurting" them or even contemplates doing them harm of any kind, (the type of "harm" is not specified but rather only the intent is what triggers their fiery response, lol) even though the Scripture clearly commands every one of us that "Thou shalt not kill" right there in the Ten Words Decalogue? There is no such thing as "righteous killing" done upon the earth by anyone, anywhere, and especially not since Yeshua went to the Cross. The Revelation 11 passage is symbolic of "the twins" which are about to be called up to stand before the Most High: Jacob has he loved but Esau has he hated, and both sons from the same lump of clay, one of them a son of the Most High and one of them a son of perdition and vessel fit for destruction.
Very Good, you have eyes to see!
guysmith,guysmith said:
Sackcloth is a symbol of Humility.
The Scriptures interpret scriptures Psalms 35:13 declares But as for me, when they were sick, my clothing was sackcloth: I humbled my soul with fasting; and my prayer returned into mine own bosom.
The sackcloth represents the bodily form of the two witness that reflect HUMILITY. They will be observed in the most unexpected form, just as God the SON was in Jesus Christ our Lord who was the carpenters son and of the mild one Mary.
I took a breeze thru the bible re: the most common use of sackcloth and have come to the same conclusion.SilenceInMotion said:
Welcome to the board interpreter,
Does anyone think that the two witness' will have access to a clothes washer and a daily change of clothes for the 3 1/2 years of the GT?
arnie,
You stated: I have wondered about that also ..... it is as though sackcloth is a
distinguishing feature for the witnesses ..... anyone know what the
modern day equivalent of sackcloth is ??
My response: bleached denim.
Does anyone think that the two witness' will have access to a clothes washer and a daily change of clothes for the 3 1/2 years of the GT?
arnie,
You stated: I have wondered about that also ..... it is as though sackcloth is a
distinguishing feature for the witnesses ..... anyone know what the
modern day equivalent of sackcloth is ??
My response: bleached denim.
Allrighty then, now we are getting somewhere! So we should all be on the lookout for two men in "bleached denim" going around killing anyone who even thinks about hurting them!guysmith said:
Revelation 11:5 KJV
5. And if any man will [GSN#2309 thelo] hurt [GSN#0091 adikeo] them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will [GSN#2309 thelo] hurt [GSN#0091 adikeo] them, he must in this manner be killed.
Revelation 11:5 LIT (Literal Bible with Vertical Strong's #s)
5.
|2532| And
|1536| if anyone
|0846| them
|2309| desires
|0091| to harm,
|4442| fire
|1607| proceeds
|1537| out
|3588| of the
|4750| mouth
|0846| of them
|2532| and
|1719| devours
|3588| the
|2190| enemies
|0846| of them,
|2532| and
|1487| if
|5100| anyone
|0846| them
|2309| desires
|0091| to harm,
|3779| thus it
|1163| is necessary for
|0846| him
|0615| to be killed.
Original Strong's Ref. #2309
Romanized thelo
Pronounced thel'-o
or ethelo {eth-el'-o}; in certain tenses theleo {thel-eh'-o}; and etheleo {eth-el-eh'-o}; which are otherwise obsolete; apparently strengthened from the alternate form of GSN0138; to determine (as an active option from subjective impulse; whereas GSN1014 properly denotes rather a passive acquiescence in objective considerations), i.e. choose or prefer (literally or figuratively); by implication, to wish, i.e. be inclined to (sometimes adverbially, gladly); impersonally for the future tense, to be about to; by Hebraism, to delight in:
KJV--desire, be disposed (forward), intend, list, love, mean, please, have rather, (be) will (have, -ling, - ling[-ly]).
Original Strong's Ref. #91
Romanized adikeo
Pronounced ad-ee-keh'-o
from GSN0094; to be unjust, i.e. (actively) do wrong (morally, socially or physically):
KJV--hurt, injure, be an offender, be unjust, (do, suffer, take) wrong.
Revelation 11:5 TUA (Transliterated Unaccented Greek)
5. Kai ei-tis autous thelei adikesai pur ekporeuetai ek tou stomatos autonkai katesthiei tous echthrous auton. Kai ei-tis thelese autous adikesai, houtos dei autonapoktanthenai.
Yes, if anyone even thinks about being unjust to them, him they will kill by the fire from their mouths . . . :huh:
Thanks for the "bleached denim" clue but I think I already know this genos-kind very well by the fire they breathe . . . :lol:
guysmith
There are several descriptions and pictures of sackcloth from biblical times right up to today's "gunny sacks" used by farmers and peanut growers etc.
I think what it comes down to , it is a coarse and rough fabric which is not all that comfortable or stylish.
I think that rules out any modern televangelists in their Armani suits (smile)
Maybe that was the whole point of the attire of the two witnesses.
There are several descriptions and pictures of sackcloth from biblical times right up to today's "gunny sacks" used by farmers and peanut growers etc.
I think what it comes down to , it is a coarse and rough fabric which is not all that comfortable or stylish.
I think that rules out any modern televangelists in their Armani suits (smile)
Maybe that was the whole point of the attire of the two witnesses.
Daq,
You stated: Allrighty then, now we are getting somewhere!
So we should all be on the lookout for two men in "bleached denim"
going around killing anyone who even thinks about hurting them!
My response: The two
witnesses will be in the Holy Land being seen CNN. However, anyone not taking the mark, will not
be able to pay their bills including cable and the internet. How do you propose that a believer (which
does not take the mark) will be able to see the two witnesses in action once
the GT starts?
Arnie,
You stated: There are
several descriptions and pictures of sackcloth from biblical times right up to
today's "gunny sacks" used by farmers and peanut growers etc.
I think what it comes down to ,
it is a coarse and rough fabric which is not all that comfortable or stylish.
I think that rules out any modern
televangelists in their Armani suits (smile)
Maybe that was the whole point of the
attire of the two witnesses.
My response: survival instructions 101
You stated: Allrighty then, now we are getting somewhere!
So we should all be on the lookout for two men in "bleached denim"
going around killing anyone who even thinks about hurting them!
My response: The two
witnesses will be in the Holy Land being seen CNN. However, anyone not taking the mark, will not
be able to pay their bills including cable and the internet. How do you propose that a believer (which
does not take the mark) will be able to see the two witnesses in action once
the GT starts?
Arnie,
You stated: There are
several descriptions and pictures of sackcloth from biblical times right up to
today's "gunny sacks" used by farmers and peanut growers etc.
I think what it comes down to ,
it is a coarse and rough fabric which is not all that comfortable or stylish.
I think that rules out any modern
televangelists in their Armani suits (smile)
Maybe that was the whole point of the
attire of the two witnesses.
My response: survival instructions 101
Wow, how blessed you will be to have CNN when it all goes down! Poor John, (and all of the first century Ekklesia) had to see these things IN THE SPIRIT. I think I will abide within the Scripture and its understandings seeing how, according to your hypothesis, the Revelation of Yeshua would have been made null and void to anyone who did not have TV and Internet access in the past 1900 years. :lol:guysmith said:
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