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I think Genesis as written by Moses is the culmination of generations of oral transmission of "The story of creation" as scribed by Moses.God told his children how the universe was created.This was passed orally from generation to generation and Moses was the first to write it.There was a human-like creature before Adam. Adam and his line to David have both divine and non divine man in their blood.I think the following verse illustrated that there was a pre-Adamic raceGenesis 1:26 (NIV)26 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, [a] and over all the creatures that move along the ground."Genesis 2: 1 summarizes, and in Genesis 2:2-4 finalizes the 7 day creation period.1 Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array.2 By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested [a] from all his work. 3 And God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done.4 This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created. When the LORD God made the earth and the heavens- This is a distinct indication that a period of time has elapsed until Genesis 2:6Here (Genesis 2:5 onwards) God created (The Man) Adam as distinct to man (mankind - the pre Adamic race)When the LORD God made the earth and the heavens- 5 and no shrub of the field had yet appeared on the earth and no plant of the field had yet sprung up, for the LORD God had not sent rain on the earth [c] and there was no man to work the ground, 6 but streams [d] came up from the earth and watered the whole surface of the ground- the LORD God formed the man The Hebrew for man (adam) sounds like and may be related to the Hebrew for ground (adamah) it is also the name Adam (see Gen. 2:20). from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being. Did the breathing of God in to the nostrils of Adam also fill him with the holy spirit (A soul)These verses seem to make a distinction between creation of man (pre-Adamic race) and the creation of Adam, The (First Man) first to have a soul and the ancestor of the line of David.This theory also helps to answer the "incest" questions that abound.But this does create the question: Did the sons of Adam procreate with decendants of a pre-Adamic race who are souless?Yes, The line of Adam was blessed by God (with a soul) but this included the pre-Adamic races (without a soul) with which they procreated.And the semi-divine races (Watchers and Nephilim) are noted in Genesis 6:1Are they angels, demons or fallen angels?
 

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You are partially correct there are three World ages the first is past (thus the earth became void and without form. All souls were created in this first earth age. It was this first earth age that Lucifer (Satan) rebelled 1/3 of us(souls) followed him in rebellion. Thus God ended that age. How long the World was void we are not told. This why science can find rocks,dinosaur bones ect that are very old. Gen 1:3 Starts creation week, and this earth age (that is)but one of Gods days is 1000years long to men, so the creation week took 7000human years. On the sixth day God created men and all the races the Hebrew word for creatures here means souls. On the seventh day he rested(this is 7000th year) Then he creates a ADAM meaning (the man) Adam was a special he was the first of the bloodline Christ would come through not the first human the first of THE LINE OF CHRIST. That was some 6000 years ago. After this age ends comes the the third age (to come) and God will again rest on the seventh day(7000th year)this is just a quick outline of events.
 

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Now the Angels you mention are Fallen angels that mated with daughters of men resulting in Giants they were the reason for Noah's flood. Noah's bloodline was the only one left that had not been defiled by this unholy mating of angels and men. This again was Satan's attempt to defile the bloodline Christ would come through. There was a second influx of these fallen angels this is where Goliath that David slew came from. Many also inhabited what is now the Holy land this was why God ordered many of these people killed by Hebrews. There will also be a third influx of Satan and his fallen angels at the end times this is the meaning of It will be as in the days of Noah what were they doing in Noah's time? giving and taking in marriage with fallen Angels.
 

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You are partially correct there are three World ages the first is past (thus the earth became void and without form. All souls were created in this first earth age. It was this first earth age that Lucifer (Satan) rebelled 1/3 of us(souls) followed him in rebellion. Thus God ended that age. How long the World was void we are not told. This why science can find rocks,dinosaur bones ect that are very old. Gen 1:3 Starts creation week, and this earth age (that is)but one of Gods days is 1000years long to men, so the creation week took 7000human years. On the sixth day God created men and all the races the Hebrew word for creatures here means souls. On the seventh day he rested(this is 7000th year) Then he creates a ADAM meaning (the man) Adam was a special he was the first of the bloodline Christ would come through not the first human the first of THE LINE OF CHRIST. That was some 6000 years ago. After this age ends comes the the third age (to come) and God will again rest on the seventh day(7000th year)this is just a quick outline of events.
I am a father and I see the telling of Genesis the same as a father talking (In metaphore)to a child and trying to explain difficult concepts. Children take many years to understand time and even numbers above (Finger counting) ten. So, If i was talking to my children about creation I would break it into (For example) seven distinct periods of time. Each of these periods of time would not necessarily relate to a fixed period of time but phases of development.Example: The earth being formed and cooling - could be millions of years (1 Day Metaphorically)Example: The first humanlike creature appears and evolves over 1000's of years (1 Day metaphorically)These seven periods of time are not equal in number of years they merely delineate events.Also I distinguish between man (Humanoid/Homo Sapien/Nephilim like creatures)And THE MAN (Adam - The first in the line of David and Jesus) that God breathed life and soul into.
 

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Now the Angels you mention are Fallen angels that mated with daughters of men resulting in Giants they were the reason for Noah's flood. Noah's bloodline was the only one left that had not been defiled by this unholy mating of angels and men. This again was Satan's attempt to defile the bloodline Christ would come through. There was a second influx of these fallen angels this is where Goliath that David slew came from. Many also inhabited what is now the Holy land this was why God ordered many of these people killed by Hebrews. There will also be a third influx of Satan and his fallen angels at the end times this is the meaning of It will be as in the days of Noah what were they doing in Noah's time? giving and taking in marriage with fallen Angels.
I see that and agree with you Kriss. But There is something else that I would like to expand on but my research is not complete at this stage. I think that Satan and his fallen angels are one element but there seems to be another factor in this that may need expanding.Bare with me - I am just a nosy seeker of facts:amen:
 

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Noah's bloodline was the only one left that had not been defiled by this unholy mating of angels and men. This again was Satan's attempt to defile the bloodline Christ would come through.
this is excellent stuff.. great theory..but if it happened like u said it happened, isn't it impossible for Noah's bloodline to be 'clean' (probably the wrong word, but i dont mean it in disprespect).Adam and eve had children, according to the theory their children mated with fallen angels and evolved apes who looked like humans but were soul less..
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otherwise they would have commited incest?so to avoid incest or mating with fallen angels and apes, and for Noah(peace be upon him) to have a clean lineage, wudn't the only legitimate lineage be if he was the legal son of Adam and Eve.or have I missed something?
 

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Thanks Bruv,Great theory - Unfortunately that is all it is at the moment. Maybe the mating of soulless man with the Adamic line bestows them with a soul and cleanses the bloodline. Ie breeding up rather than breeding down.Maybe mating with fallen angels would permanently corrupt the bloodline (hence the flood)to destroy that corruption. Noah and his bloodline (Part pure Adamic/Part original man) was to survive as an acceptable lineage. Also there would not be any incest.If you try to look at this as a breeding program, in the secular sense, it works and my farming experience proves this. Breeding up Fresian herds by introducing Holstein(Higher milk yeild) stock is a case in point.
 

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Where is this actually going? I dont mean to knock the curiosity or try to explain why the word dinosaur never appears in the Bible, but what specifically here deals with a) salvation,
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accepting Jesus as Lord, or c) living out the life God has purposed for us? If there was such a thing as soul-less beings, then obviously they can not be saved. As for the time or lengths of of such, we will one day find out these things I suppose, but do they really matter. If you do make heaven and meet Jesus, will you realy worry about the giants and deamons, or will you more likely be basking in God's glory and Love??
 

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Death and decay did not begin until after the fall. The theory of evolution requires death or it is not possible. Adam was already a man when the fall happened and death entered the world. Any Biblical talk of evolution, then must begin with Adam. He was already a man in God's image, *just as Jesus was in His incarnation*(Colossians 1:15). Evolution is just not there.
Genesis 1:26 (NIV)26 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, [a] and over all the creatures that move along the ground."
I'm just not seeing a pre adamic race from this passage. Can you explain how you arrived at this conclussion from this passage? The explination of the passages quoted in the OP are explained here.http://www.biblebb.com/files/MAC/90-227.htmGod bless
 

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Death and decay did not begin until after the fall. The theory of evolution requires death or it is not possible. Adam was already a man when the fall happened and death entered the world. Any Biblical talk of evolution, then must begin with Adam. He was already a man in God's image, *just as Jesus was in His incarnation*(Colossians 1:15). Evolution is just not there.
Genesis 1:26 - And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
I'm just not seeing a pre adamic race from this passage. Can you explain how you arrived at this conclussion from this passage?God blessDear Dave...Pre-Adamic Race...Genesis 1:26-28 - And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. It's plural!Adam and Eve (Seperate Event)Genesis 2:7 - And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. It's single!Genesis 2:21-23 - And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof; And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man. It's another single!Adam and Eve is just a special lineage for Christ to come through.Even when a pre-Adamic race exists. It is still no room for evolution.Much love, JagLovest ye in Christ Yahshua our Lord and Saviour.
 

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Thankyou for the reply thesuperjag. I Added a link to my post in an edit. So maybe you missed it. My fault. You may find it an interesting read as it deals with all of this in detail. A different perspective to consider. I think it makes a lot of sence and is very practical to the scipture at hand.
Now some people have tried to find conflict between the creation account in Genesis 1 and the account in Genesis 2. There is no conflict whatsoever. In Genesis 1, you have the simple fact of man's creation. In Genesis 2, you have the details of that creation. So in this Chapter starting in Verse 4, man takes the center stage; becomes the subject of all the rest of Genesis and all the rest of human history. Here in Genesis 2 then we're going to go back to day six because, after all, this is the saga of man. And though man was mentioned in Chapter 1 as one of the details in the creation of the universe, here he takes center stage. So Chapter 2 Verse 4 takes us back to day six, and a more detailed look at the creation of man, which begins his wonderful story. http://www.biblebb.com/files/MAC/90-227.htm
God bless.
 

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this is excellent stuff.. great theory..but if it happened like u said it happened, isn't it impossible for Noah's bloodline to be 'clean' (probably the wrong word, but i dont mean it in disprespect).Adam and eve had children, according to the theory their children mated with fallen angels and evolved apes who looked like humans but were soul less..
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otherwise they would have commited incest?so to avoid incest or mating with fallen angels and apes, and for Noah(peace be upon him) to have a clean lineage, wudn't the only legitimate lineage be if he was the legal son of Adam and Eve.or have I missed something?
First of all its not a theory its what the word says if you look at the Hebrew closelySecondly I should have been more clear there were other people on earth Pre adamic people as Jag has said. these were not soulless people they just were not of the bloodline that Christ would come through. It was the sixth day creation that the races were created.read Gen again on the sixth day God created man on the seventh day he rested After this 7th day he created Adam meaning THE MAN or a special man for a special reason this reason was the bloodline that the savior of Man Jesus Christ would come through.Noah was the last of THIS line not defiled by fallen angels If you look at the Hebrew here the words used for sixth day creation and Adams creation are like the difference of saying in English "those men" and "That Man" Next look at Cain when he gets kicked out of the garden He is afraid that he will be killed so God places a mark on him to tell all those whom he meets will know he is not to be killed. Ask yourself if no one else existed on earth who was Cain afraid of?? Then we hear Cain goes to the land of Nod and marries Who lived in Nod?? If no others existed then we know Cain builds a city for who if no one else was here?? Adam and Eves next child was a Boy Seth so the idea that Adam and Eves kids were incestuous and had soulless children is without merit. When in fact the bible tells us what happened. When you look at 2 Peter he tells us a day with God is a 1000 years to manSo each day in the creation week was 1000 years long (to man) so all the races of men lived form when ever they were created on the sixth day 1000years passed as God rested and then he created Adam and Eve so men had been populating the earth (or land of Nod) for at least 1000 years before Adam and Eve.Interesting side note here if you add 7000 years for the creation week and the some 6000 sense you get about 13000 years science has never found a true human skeltel remains older than 13000 years before that we have ape-man with no missing link why because they were Apes not men. Man is only 13000 years old.
 

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Kriss, this topic seems to be of great interest to you and others here. Here are some things that you guys may find interesting to read. "Test all things". The answers to your questions can be found within the links provided. I encourage each of you to also check the links provided within each link posted here.Where did Cain get his wife?—The most FAQ revealed! http://www.abcbodybuilding.com/forum/showt...w=&sb=5&o=&vc=1Cain’s wife—who was she?http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/.../cains_wife.aspPre-Adamic man: were there human beings on Earth before Adam?http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v24/i4/humans.aspLoving God with all your mind: logic and creationhttp://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v12/i2/logic.aspAdam and Eve were the first.http://www.abcbodybuilding.com/forum/showf...true#Post613394God BlessDave
 

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Dear Dave thank you for your links however I dont agree with alot of the things I read in these links my post was not questions, but rather what I know to be true from studying Gods words and the Hebrew and greek languages. I think the bible tells us what we need to know I do not need men to translate what God says. I think God does a wonderful job all by himself the question is can one forget what men have said and hear what God says. It is my belief that the Bible translates itself. We just have to learn to listen to what its saying something that most churches do not teach today. God Bless
 

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Genesis 1:23 "And the evening and the morning were the fifth day."Make a mental note of the fact that sea and ocean life are created, and then the winged fowl. However, man has not been created yet. The creation cycle form starts with, "And God said". When the cycle is completed, and that part is completed, we then read; "God blessed it".Genesis 1:24 And God said, "Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind:" and it was so."Here again is the word creature, or nephesh, for soul; as we saw in verse twenty. It is referring to the classification of lower animal life. These creature life forms include all insect life, wild animal forms such as the cat family, dog family, elephants, as well as all other wild beasts, of which many are extinct today.Notice also that all animal forms of life reproduced "after his kind". In this orderly fashion, all animals followed as God had ordered each.Genesis 1:25 "And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good."Kind after kind, and "each after his own kind"; each of these families of animals reproduced and spread throughout the earth, populating the entire earth. Each kind living in accordance to the climate, substance, and terrain God intended each of their animal forms to survive in.Genesis 1:26 "And God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."God set out to make man exactly the way he is. Man was then created to look like the exact image of God, and his sons; the angels. If you ever wondered what an angel form looks like? Then look into a mirror, for we are created in their image.Note that God created first the fish, then the fowl, and then the beasts. Following their creation and multiplying, God created the races of mankind. God then gave man the dominion over all the animal kingdom. He gave the animal cattle to hunt, and fish to catch for food, as well as taming them for domestic use. Man is the highest form of all life on this earth, though many movements today act as if they don't know it. When they place and value their soul little more then animal life.Genesis 1:27 "So God created man in His own image, in the image of God created He him; male and female created He them."So it was on this sixth day that both man and woman of all races were formed, and each after their kind. Yet all forms of mankind red, yellow, black [brown], or white are all created in the image of God.Genesis 1:28 "And God blessed them, and God said unto them, "Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, ad over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth."The intent of God was to have each race multiply "after their kind". For God created all that is necessary for all mankind to exist. "Replenish" is translated properly, and the command is to replenish the earth. This earth had a population in the first earth age, and it was inhabited by God's children. Satan caused one third of all God's children to fall, and follow him, and the result of that fall angered God. That is when "the earth became [tohu-va bohu] a waste and desolation", as recorded in verse two. God is now commanding the races to multiply and "repopulate" the earth "after their kind". It seems though today that the whole world is a bit color blind, or maybe they think God is out of touch with today's world. It is interesting though, following Noah's flood in Genesis 9:1; "And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, "be fruitful and multiply, and replenish the earth."These are the only two places in the Bible where the word "replenish" is used, and both deal with the time following a destruction of the earth and mankind by a flood. To replenish anything, means that it had to exist prior, and in the same form. What is interesting though, is that evolutionist can find animal forms dating back thousands of years prior to any skeletal remains of mankind. In fact the earliest specimens of man was carbonated to within the limits of God's creation. It was the link that evolutionists claimed to be the link between monkey and man. However, by other testing, it turned out to be a chimp. Strange huh? Remember, "kind after kind'.God made man, and all things for His pleasure. Have you given Him any pleasure lately. Have you stopped to thank Him for your blessings, or just to tell Him that you love Him. You know that you are made in His image, and He has feelings just as you or I do. When you fall short, just ask His forgiveness and He will forgive you, for He loves all of His children.Genesis 1:29 "And God said, "Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat."God is giving instruction here to man. He told this group of people to go and eat of the fruits of the trees, and plant life. This vegetation are there for man's consumption.Genesis 1:30 "And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat:" and it was so."Notice that the plant life that was given for "meat", was given to both man and beast. The idea and practice of eating flesh never was ordained by God as food until after Noah's flood. This is recorded in Genesis 9:2, 3. Genesis 9:2, 3 "And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they delivered." [verse 2] Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things." [verse 3]"Life" in this verse is translated "Naphesh" in the Hebrew text. It is classified and used in this form as applying only to "lower form animals". However in this case it is used to show life within, and not the presence of an "eternal soul", as in man.Genesis 1:31 "And God saw every thing that He had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day."At the close of the sixth day the earth and all life form's, plant and animal alike, were in existence. The condition of the earth was inhabitable, and all the stars and planets were set in their places in the heavens. We know that the condition of the earth was such that God intended for mankind to have a very lengthy life span. The age of mankind that is recorded in the Bible prior to the flood of Noah's time, was upwards of eight to nine hundred years, and greater. We also must agree that it was good, for God repeated; "and it was very good" after days creation. It isnt untill after the 7th day in witch God rested that we see mention of Adam and Eve2 Peter 3:8But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.So you see there is 1000 human years (one day to God)that have passed between the 6th day and the 7th day of creation.It is not untill after the 7th day of rest that God creates Adam the bloodline of which Christ will come through.
 

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Genesis 2:1 "Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them."This chapter begins after the completion of the heavens and the earth, when it is fit for habitation. The "hosts" are the masses of people of every race, created on the sixth day, and their offspring, as each race multiplied "after their kind". "Hosts" in the Hebrew text, is given as "tsaba", which shows a binding unity within each group or race, such as organizing for war. In the Strong's Hebrew dictionary it is # 6635, it comes from the root meaning "to assemble to perform". Each of these souls or people, having been created, now stood ready to pass through this earth age. Each soul having the free will to choose light, or darkness.Genesis 2:2 "And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had made; and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had made."When God rested on the seventh day, all forms of plant and animal life was in existence, and man was the last in the creative process of God. In ancient writings from the second century A.D., translated from [Sanhedrin viii, 7]; "Why was man created last? That the heretics might not say there was a companion with Him in the work, i.e., that man should not have claim to share with Him." The work was finished on the sixth day, and all activity of God's creative efforts stopped on the seventh day. God rested from all the work involving the universe.Genesis 2:3 "And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it He had rested from all His work which God created and made."Genesis 2:4 "These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,"Genesis 2:5 "And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground."It is clearly understood that the fish, the fowl, all the wild animals of every kind are created, and living on earth. All races of mankind have also been created, and multiplying also, except the Adamic [white] race. With all this life, God is stating that there still is "no man to till the ground"; to be a farmer. Genesis 2:6 "But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground."This "mist" is the morning dew that watered the earth. Genesis 2:7 "And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."The word "formed" is used [molded as clay] to describe the making of Adam. When man was formed he became a living creature. In the Hebrew it is "eth-ha-adham", which refers to the particular person "Adam", (not a generic form for man). The "Ha-Adham" [Adam] is the man that Christ will come forth through. Matthew 1:1-17, and Luke 3:23-38 both give us our documentation that this is true and did come to pass. Paul states in I Corinthians 15:21-23 that sin came into the world by the first Adam, but by the second Adam [Christ} all shall be made alive. Christ is the first fruits [to come out of the grave to everlasting life], and then "they that are Christ's at His coming". There was death by the first Adam, and salvation by Christ Himself. Genesis 2:8 "(And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there He put the man whom He had formed."In this "Eden" which God had formed, He put "eth-ha adham" [not any man, but "the Adam"]. This is the man "Adam" formed from clay in Genesis 2:7, and not the "male and female" of the races of the sixth day creation of Genesis 1:27-28. Eden is a special place that God made, following the seventh day of rest, for a special man called Adam.God first created the wilderness, then the creatures, followed by male and female of all races; and then He rested. This Adam is of the eighth day creation, when God formed Adam, and we can see that when Cain went to the wilderness, he married into the sixth day creation's offspring. He took a wife from the land of Nod.
 

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Genesis 1:26 "And God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."God set out to make man exactly the way he is. Man was then created to look like the exact image of God, and his sons; the angels. If you ever wondered what an angel form looks like? Then look into a mirror, for we are created in their image.Note that God created first the fish, then the fowl, and then the beasts. Following their creation and multiplying, God created the races of mankind....
"Following their creation and multiplying, God created the races of mankind" Kriss, this needs to be proven from scripture. "Let Us make man in Our image" can be speaking of Adam [later with Eve], as in the origin of "man". In that sense, Adam could be mankind, or "man" (plural). So it needs to be proven that God is speaking of races of people created all at one time. Since this is assumed into all the scripture that was used by you from this point forward, the same line of reasoning follows. It needs to be proven here first. "them" = Adam and Eve = "male and female" = "man in His own image"Adam = mankind, or "man" as in "Let Us make *man* in Our image." It fits the language used, and also the context, extremely well. The burden of proof is on you to show that in Genesis 1:26 God was speaking of all races created all at once (except white people???).
But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.
I don't believe that this was meant to be a mathimatical equation to apply every time the word "day" is used in reference to God. What is meant by "With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day" is that God is not bound by time. From the link provided in my last post.--The attempt to make the word "day" referring to the six days of creation mean an "age" millions of years long fails many important tests. Some of the numerous objections to this theory follows:3 1 If the Hebrew word "yom" meant "age" instead of "day", why did the phrase "evening and morning" appear in the account? It would be hard to put an evening and a morning on an age. The word was clearly defined when it was first used, when in Genesis 1:5 it referred to an evening and a morning. 2. In Exodus 20:11, the Scripture says that "in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is." This reference is from the Ten Commandments, where God commanded rest on the seventh day. The verse can't refer to six "ages" and the Sabbath "day" using the same word to mean two different things in the same sentence. 3. If the writer of Genesis wanted to convey the idea of long ages, he could have used the word "olam" meaning a long indefinite span of time, instead of "yom."-- http://www.abcbodybuilding.com/forum/showf...true#Post613394
It is clearly understood that the fish, the fowl, all the wild animals of every kind are created, and living on earth. All races of mankind have also been created, and multiplying also, except the Adamic [white] race. With all this life, God is stating that there still is "no man to till the ground"; to be a farmer.
Kriss, I don't know if you are aware... This "Adamic [white] race" garbage is what the KKK, Identity Christians, and Neo-Nazis use to teach that man is saved by the color of his skin, and not by the blood of Christ. There is more ...Read more here from Steve B.http://www.bordeglobal.com/foruminv/index....opic=10220&st=8Some more history on this teaching.http://www.abcbodybuilding.com/forum/showf...0&Number=928609A brief view of the History from one of the links provided in my last post.
Pre-Adamism has a long historyIn 1655, Frenchman Isaac La Peyrère published his theory that not only did Adam come from pre-Adamic stock (rather than being formed by God from the dust of the ground), but also Cain’s wife and the inhabitants of Cain’s city came from other pre-Adamic stock.6 (See bottom box.)In the 18th and 19th centuries, because white and non-white people looked superficially different, a minority of Christians thought that God had created non-whites separately from Adam, and so they must have descended from pre-Adamic creatures. Hence pre-Adamism took the form of polygenism, or multiple creations of different races. Proponents of this idea often thought that non-whites were inferior beings who could be treated as slaves. Pre-Adamism thus became the scientific justification for slavery, and a defense for racism.Pre-Adamites were also an integral part of the now-discredited gap theory.7 In this the pre-Adamites were soulless beings which all perished in a catastrophe called ‘Lucifer’s Flood’, which allegedly occurred between verses 1 and 2 of Genesis 1 ‘in the far-distant dateless past’.8
http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v24/i4/humans.aspBe careful with this stuff, Kriss. God blessDave
 

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I will get to rest of your post later but just because I say the cacasion race was created last as the tiller of the soil that is pretty obvious as the Jews who are descentants are white/ruddy skined I never said nor did I imply any supiority they were better or more important than any other race. If you read that into it the prejusticed is yours not mine. I simply said what the bible says if you think that politically incorrect so be it. And frankly I find your kkk remarks and warnings outta line and totally out of context.
 

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I never said nor did I imply any supiority they were better or more important than any other race. If you read that into it the prejusticed is yours not mine.
Kriss, Can you show me from my post where I accused you of this?
I simply said what the bible says if you think that politically incorrect so be it. And frankly I find your kkk remarks and warnings outta line and totally out of context.
That's the point Kriss, the bible doesn't teach a white Adamic race, or a pre Adamic race. It is read into one verse by faulty reasoning and everything from this false teaching is foundational upon that one misinterptretation. The preconceived idea is being smashed into the text. So far, I have only seen eisegesis to support your beliefs in this matter. It all sounds good until the foundation is confronted. I just wanted to make sure that you were aware of the history and the motives of the many who created and believed this stuff. It is completely appropraite to reveal this history. People need to know. I never thought that you were motivated by racism. That's why I asked if you were even aware of this history. I also thought that this was clearly implied when I said "Be careful with this stuff Kriss".I too hate political correctness, but I do not hate the truth. So, no disrespect was meant. Iron sharpens iron.In Christ Jesus Dave
 

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"Following their creation and multiplying, God created the races of mankind" Kriss, this needs to be proven from scripture. "Let Us make man in Our image" can be speaking of Adam [later with Eve], as in the origin of "man". In that sense, Adam could be mankind, or "man" (plural). So it needs to be proven that God is speaking of races of people created all at one time. Since this is assumed into all the scripture that was used by you from this point forward, the same line of reasoning follows. It needs to be proven here first. "them" = Adam and Eve = "male and female" = "man in His own image"Adam = mankind, or "man" as in "Let Us make *man* in Our image." It fits the language used, and also the context, extremely well. The burden of proof is on you to show that in Genesis 1:26 God was speaking of all races created all at once (except white people???).I don't believe that this was meant to be a mathimatical equation to apply every time the word "day" is used in reference to God. What is meant by "With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day" is that God is not bound by time. From the link provided in my last post.--The attempt to make the word "day" referring to the six days of creation mean an "age" millions of years long fails many important tests. Some of the numerous objections to this theory follows:3 1 If the Hebrew word "yom" meant "age" instead of "day", why did the phrase "evening and morning" appear in the account? It would be hard to put an evening and a morning on an age. The word was clearly defined when it was first used, when in Genesis 1:5 it referred to an evening and a morning. 2. In Exodus 20:11, the Scripture says that "in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is." This reference is from the Ten Commandments, where God commanded rest on the seventh day. The verse can't refer to six "ages" and the Sabbath "day" using the same word to mean two different things in the same sentence. 3. If the writer of Genesis wanted to convey the idea of long ages, he could have used the word "olam" meaning a long indefinite span of time, instead of "yom."-- http://www.abcbodybuilding.com/forum/showf...true#Post613394Kriss, I don't know if you are aware... This "Adamic [white] race" garbage is what the KKK, Identity Christians, and Neo-Nazis use to teach that man is saved by the color of his skin, and not by the blood of Christ. There is more ...Read more here from Steve B.http://www.bordeglobal.com/foruminv/index....opic=10220&st=8Some more history on this teaching.http://www.abcbodybuilding.com/forum/showf...0&Number=928609A brief view of the History from one of the links provided in my last post.http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v24/i4/humans.aspBe careful with this stuff, Kriss. God blessDave
I always find it so amusing when those who followmen call me on this if you want proof of Gen 1:26 read 1:27Notice on your rebuttal you have not a single scriptureI show you Gods word and you say but men do not say thisShow me a scripture that says Adam was the first and only manshow me a scripture that says incest was how men mutipliedThis is nothing but conjecture, guessing and assumtion by men the slightest bit of sense would tell by the time you get to Cain being send out into the world that all these assumptions of men are wrong yet you will fight tooth and nail to deny Gods word to keep following men words. they made a wrong assumtion about the sixth day and so they make a judgement about incest based on their wrong assumtion of the previous verse. You have no basis for a rebuttal other than men have said it.Peter says Do not be ignorant (that means dont be foolish) one day with the Lord is a 1000 years to men 1000 years of man is one day to the Lord yet you say you have decided it does not mean this?? So Gods wrong and men are right.?? Amazing how followers of men leap to all these unfounded conclusions then tell me the burdens on me to prove what God has to say.The burden is on you to stop listening to men and learn the Word of God