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And as for Adamic White race comments read it for yourselfThis is the short coming of EnglishThe word "Adam" in the Strong's Hebrew dictionary is given under # 120; "Adam, aw-dawm'; from 119, ruddy, a human being, person." So the prime root in the Hebrew dictionary, # 119; "Adam, aw-dam' to show blood in the face, flesh, turn rosy, be made ruddy [red]." This race of Adam then is a white race which will show ruddy [red], and turn red to show the blood.Are you denying that the Noah and the Jews line of Christ are light/white ruddy complected???It is only the Blood that is blessed here through Adam not the race nor the skin colourGod created all the races and said it is good all men are equal all created in Gods image Only the Blood of Adam was chosen as that of witch Christ would come
 

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And as for Adamic White race comments read it for yourselfThe word "Adam" in the Strong's Hebrew dictionary is given under # 120; "Adam, aw-dawm'; from 119, ruddy, a human being, person." So the prime root in the Hebrew dictionary, # 119; "Adam, aw-dam' to show blood in the face, flesh, turn rosy, be made ruddy [red]." This race of Adam then is a white race which will show ruddy [red], and turn red to show the blood.Are you denying that the Noah and the Jews line of Christ are light/white ruddy complected???It is only the Blood that is blessed here through Adam not the race nor the skin colourGod created all the races and said it is good all men are equal all created in Gods image Only the Blood of Adam was chosen as that of witch Christ would come
Dave, Kriss is right about the Pre-Adamic race. It is the Word of God.Kriss, may I correct you?witch should be which.
 

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Forgive me if I misunderstand where this thread seems to be going.Are we getting into race?There is only one bloodline from Adam/Noah to the present day.That bloodline has evolved into different races dependant on where that particular branch settled, geographically and due to evolutionary factors dictated by environment.Today we have many variations of the Adamic bloodline represented by the many races we have in mankind.Most of the anthropological studies point towards the line of(Dark skinned) man moving from the African continent into the Eur/Asian continent and expanding (worldwide) from there. Part of this movement resulted in evolutionary changes resulting in the white skinned races prevalent in the northern hemisphere.
 

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Greetings Kriss
I always find it so amusing when those who followmen call me on this if you want proof of Gen 1:26 read 1:27Notice on your rebuttal you have not a single scriptureNotice on your rebuttal you have not a single scriptureI show you Gods word and you say but men do not say thisShow me a scripture that says Adam was the first and only man
Genesis 1:26 Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness;...1 Timothy 2:13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve.Genesis 1:27 So God created *man* in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. Genesis 3:20And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.Acts 17:24 God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth...26 And He has made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth,...Note: NU-Text omits blood.There is more, but this should be enough. No need to elaberate. Just take it as it is stated.-----------------------------------------------------------------Your turn...26 Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” 27 So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.Your translation of this text..."Following their creation and multiplying, God created the races of mankind"Please explain how you came to this conclussion. =====================================Kriss wrote:
show me a scripture that says incest was how men mutiplied
When was incest made sin? That's the basis for your question right? That incest was always sin and therefore man's origin could not be from Adam and Eve alone? Read the scripture that I posted above. It clearly shows the origin of all manking to be Adam and Eve. Even if we cannot yet reason it out in our minds from scripture, that's still no reason to rewrite the plain teaching of what we do know. I'm sure this won't be the first time for any of us to need to trust that God is righteous, Holy and true. Take text as it reads and seek to clarify through context. If scripture gives us a valid reason to take another look, then we will. Until then, take it as it reads.Kriss wrote:
Peter says Do not be ignorant (that means dont be foolish) one day with the Lord is a 1000 years to men 1000 years of man is one day to the Lord yet you say you have decided it does not mean this?? So Gods wrong and men are right.?? Amazing how followers of men leap to all these unfounded conclusions then tell me the burdens on me to prove what God has to say.The burden is on you to stop listening to men and learn the Word of God
Wouldn't it have been easier to just answer the questions? these are ligitimate Biblical questions. Remember...
--The attempt to make the word "day" referring to the six days of creation mean an "age" millions of years long fails many important tests. Some of the numerous objections to this theory follows:3 1 If the Hebrew word "yom" meant "age" instead of "day", why did the phrase "evening and morning" appear in the account? It would be hard to put an evening and a morning on an age. The word was clearly defined when it was first used, when in Genesis 1:5 it referred to an evening and a morning. 2. In Exodus 20:11, the Scripture says that "in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is." This reference is from the Ten Commandments, where God commanded rest on the seventh day. The verse can't refer to six "ages" and the Sabbath "day" using the same word to mean two different things in the same sentence. 3. If the writer of Genesis wanted to convey the idea of long ages, he could have used the word "olam" meaning a long indefinite span of time, instead of "yom."-- http://www.abcbodybuilding.com/forum...rue#Post613394
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The word "Adam" in the Strong's Hebrew dictionary is given under # 120; "Adam, aw-dawm'; from 119, ruddy, a human being, person." So the prime root in the Hebrew dictionary, # 119; "Adam, aw-dam' to show blood in the face, flesh, turn rosy, be made ruddy [red]." This race of Adam then is a white race which will show ruddy [red], and turn red to show the blood.Are you denying that the Noah and the Jews line of Christ are light/white ruddy complected???It is only the Blood that is blessed here through Adam not the race nor the skin colour
I'm glad that you added that last part. If it's only about the blood, then why do mention "white race" at all? Cannot darker complected people blush too? I've seen black people blush, Kriss. Their faces can turn red too. I think that your reasoning that Adam can only look "white" is another mistake. Based on the rest of your post, my questions should be easy for you, who only uses the Word of God, to answer from your side. I'll be looking forward to clear scripture to support your beliefs. God bless.
 

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The problem is Dave...Where did Cain find his wife when he was banished from Adam and Eve, His sister?Love much to you, from JagLovest ye in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour.
 

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Dave...;21166]Greetings KrissGenesis 1:26 Then God said said:
And He has made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth,...[/b]Note: NU-Text omits blood.There is more, but this should be enough. No need to elaberate. Just take it as it is stated.-----------Acts 17:24 "God That made the world and all things therein, seeing that He is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;"The God that Paul is introducing to these Greeks, their unknown God, was the creator of all things, and it is He that controls both the heaven and what happens on the earth. Man has always wanted to make God a house, where they can confine him, and then they can try to control Him to be subject to them. How can you make God a House, when He is everywhere. Paul is telling these men that God does not dwell in buildings that are made with men's hands.Acts 17:25 "Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though He needed any thing, seeing He giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;"God owns everything and he there is nothing that God needs. God controls everything, and He gives life where He wants that life to be. Acts 17:26 "And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;"It is time to sharpen up, and pay attention to Paul. First of all, the word "blood" as used here is not in any of the original manuscripts, and even some of the more liberal translators caught this translation. The Word "one" is in reference to the dust of the earth that Adam was formed from. In the Greek it is "heis" and sometimes translators use the form "tis" which changes the meaning completely. This word blood is just not there, for God created all the races just as they are, kind after their kind. God created all the races on the sixth day, and on the seventh day, He rested. In Genesis 1:26 it was on the sixth day; "And God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth." "Genesis 1:27 "So God created man in His own image, in the image of God created He him, male and female created He them." This is all the races, except Adam, meaning "ruddy complected".Genesis 1:28 "And God blessed them, and God said unto them, "Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth."Then after God rested on the seventh day, on the eight day God created, as it is written in the Hebrew, " `eth-`Ha`adham" which is to say "the man". That man is who we call "Adam". Adam was created for a purpose, even though all the other races did exist before him.When was incest made sin? That's the basis for your question right? That incest was always sin and therefore man's origin could not be from Adam and Eve alone? Read the scripture that I posted above. It clearly shows the origin of all manking to be Adam and Eve. Even if we cannot yet reason it out in our minds from scripture, that's still no reason to rewrite the plain teaching of what we do know. I'm sure this won't be the first time for any of us to need to trust that God is righteous, Holy and true. Take text as it reads and seek to clarify through context. If scripture gives us a valid reason to take another look, then we will. Until then, take it as it reads.Incest is an asumption a guess Why would God go to all the trouble to create a special line for Christ to come through go to all the troubl;e to protect it and oh duh he forgot there was no others to marry. Incest was always against Gods Laws his law and the Word existed first. He would not break his own Word whether humans understood it yet or not.this is common sense. Incest theroy is ignorance. To follow you line of reason why didnt God just say Seth married his sister.or does that just work for you when something doesnt fit? futher more why doesnt God just say oh yeah and I changed the law of nature so that all this inner breading wouldn't cause birth defects. Even though this changes nothing Christ still came through Adam and Eve you will hang on to what men say without any proof.I said ruddy/white based on observation of the skin color of the hebrews and as a commit in passing to explain the word, as this word Adam used here, is a different hebrew word than Adam in other verses of Genesis futher more if it the word has an article w/it it changes the meaning just like in English when we would say "those men" or "that man" mean differnt things so it is with Hebrew. And as far as your ideas of evolution for the races any Genic scientist will tell you natural evolution of the races is a joke there still hasnt been enough time pass to complete such a thing and if that were true why dont eskimo's have thick skin or fur to protect them from the cold. Again common sense God gave us a brain for a reason.So you belive in evolution when it fits your purpose? And then believe in creation when it fits? So God could create all except the races because it doent fit your ideas so therefore evolution must be the answer of course its not in Gods word word but hey it allows you to believe men. I say God created All including the races and with all he was pleased. And as far as the 1000 years thats just plain Gods word if you choose to read some man made thing into it fine by me. Again common sense all science can not be wrong. seems you to choose which men to believe and not believe.
 

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CainGen.4:12 When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earthCain is to be a fugitive a vagabond. How do you figure he was welcomed to come back and marry his sister????4:13 And Cain said unto the LORD, My punishment [is] greater than I can bear.4:14 Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, [that] every one that findeth me shall slay me.What was that everyone that finds him would want to slay him who is everyone he is afraid of ???4:15 And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.Now who is God warning ??? whoever kills Cain vengeance will be taken.4:16 And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of EdenAnd Cain left Eden and lived in Nod. 4:17 And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enochsuddley he is married and has a son and builds a city and names it after his sonhow did he find a wife in Nod and who did he build a city for ?????Is it really so outragous to believe it is talking about the sixth day creation of the races???Gen 1:30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein [there is] life, [I have given] every green herb for meat: and it was so.Lets look at the hebrew word for "life" used here it is "Nephesh": meaning 1) soul, self, life, creature, person, appetite, mind, living being, desire, emotion, passiona) that which breathes, the breathing substance or being, soul, the inner being of man
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living beingc) living being (with life in the blood)d) the man himself, self, person or individual
e) seat of the appetitesf) seat of emotions and passionsg) activity of mindA futher explanation of this word Nephesh from the Bible Appendix:The word Nephesh occurs 754 times in the Hebrew Old Testament. Each occurrence is noted in the margin, but it will be useful for the Bible student to have a complete list. the word is "Nephesh", while in 229 passages the English reader has hitherto been left in ignorance of the fact. The English word "soul" is in every occurrence the rendering of the Hebrew Nephesh, except in Job 30:15 and Isa. 57:16. the time has come to "open the book", and let it speak for itself. Though, with these two exceptions, the English word "soul" always represents the Hebrew Nephesh, Nephesh is not always translated "soul". ". The English word "soul" is from the Latin solus = alone or sole, because the maintenance of man as a living organism, and all that affects his health and well-being, is the one sole or main thing in common with every living thing which the LORD God has made. The correct Latin word for the theological term "soul" (or Nephesh) is anima; and this is from the Greek anemos = air or breath, because it is this which keeps the whole in life and in being.Then for extra measures we can also look at the numbers used in scripture God often uses numbers to impart a deeper meaning or give explanation to a scripture. the 6th day, 6 is always the number of Man God created the races of menthe 7th day, 7 is perfection and God rested on the 7th day as the creation week was done and perfect the 8th, 8 is New beginings And God created Adam on this day a New Beginning for Gods plan away for all Men to reach Salvation through this New man/blood Adam. The bloodline of Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior who is himself represented by the number 888 so you can see 8 for "The" Adam is quite fitting indeed.Can you honestly say this is not of God ?that he instead used incest and poor planing ??and if so tell me the answer to Cain's fear,wife and city??Why must Adam be the first to make your bible work??How does this change anything Christ still came through Adam and Eve
 

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Kriss, you have avoided my question two times now.
26 Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” 27 So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.Your translation of this text..."Following their creation and multiplying, God created the races of mankind"Please explain how you came to this conclussion.
Please answer this simple question.
 

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I'm with Dave & Wise Haven on this. All humanity came from Adam & Eve. This extra race theory doesn't pass the test of scripture. Because it contradicts the Word.
 

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No it doesn't Nova. As the bible is completely clear that Christ would be descended from Adam. Saying that Cain is the son of Adam is very contradictive. As Cain is not on Adam's genealogy nor is he on the gealogy to Yahshua. (Luke 3:23-38, Matthew 1:1-17)Dave...you ignore my question and the link did not even answer me...Who did Cain marry?JagLovest ye in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour.
 

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Dave wrote:
Genesis 1:26 Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness;...1 Timothy 2:13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve.Genesis 1:27 So God created *man* in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. Genesis 3:20And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.Acts 17:24 God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth...26 And He has made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth,...Note: NU-Text omits blood.There is more, but this should be enough. No need to elaberate. Just take it as it is stated.
Notice, as in the original, after Acts 17:24, 26, you will see "NU-Text omits blood.". You must have missed that.Your reply to Acts 17:24, that "one" is speaking of dust. The newer translations, like the NIV, which seek to clean up the old English, think differently.NIV 26 From *one man* he made every nation of men, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he determined the times set for them and the exact places where they should live.I think that you will find the others following suit. So, it's not dirt.1 Corinthians 15:45 And so it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit. (Genesis 2:7)Take it as it reads
Genesis 3:20And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.Yes she gave birth to the first in the line of the Living God
What does the verse say, Kriss? **"all living"**The rest of your answers to the scipture I gave have nothing to do with anything. BTW, God is a Godhead. Three. Also, He doesn't need to be speaking to anybody because He speaks things into existance. We will deal with Caine later. Kriss, you were right when you stated incest is an assumption. That was my whole point. That's why I asked the question. Dave
 

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Adam & Eve had more than one son. Obviously only one of those sons is in Christ's genealogy. This is like the Kennite doctrine that is being pushed on this board. If it doesn't pass the test of Scripture, then it isn't true. The Bible says to test all things & compare them to the word. And if they don't fit the revealed word in the Bible, then they are false. And should be tossed away.
 

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It does pass the scriptures because YHWH Himself said that Satan has his own offspring...Having Cain as Adam's son does not even fit in the bible.Adam has 2 sons (before the genealogy) Abel and Seth.Jag
 

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All humanity is sinful & in need of salvation. No race can be singled out as more worthy. Because Scripture says we are all unworthy. Only Jesus can claim perfection in God.One of my concerns about this doctrine, is how it has been used in the past. I know kriss, jag & denver all hold with this doctrine. And in none of their posts, have I ever seen racism. But what if someone else (with a less pure heart of love & compassion) were to believe this? Would it be used to justify atrocities like the Holocaust? Therein is part of it's danger.
 

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Yes we are all unworthy (Romans 3:10, Romans 3:23) It doesn't change the fact Satan has offspring. (Genesis 3:15) It doesn't change the fact that humanity is not all born of Adam & Eve as it's impossible. (Genesis 1:26-28)Jag
 

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Although I read it, that article is so deceiving and so wrong. I'll stick with God's Words over men anyday.Lovest ye in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour.
 

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Amen Jag I have said before the Bible has layers of teaching many haven't even got the surface layer down yet so arguing deeper things just serves to confuse. You that are in different levels of learning can not debate what you dont understand. As God will not allow it to be seen till you learn certain truths/steps first this thread is getting lost in confusion. I personally do not care about being politically correct the words used mean what they mean They are Gods words and are perfect if people dont like them to bad. If people use them for negative purposes or prejudigist motives they will have to answer for it I will not compromise the Word of God because some think it might cause a problem I follow God and if its his words its what I will use. Its no different than homosexuality God is against it causes the christian to be called predigest its politically incorrect to be against it. So it is with Gods word Im not changing his words because people don't like what it says. If you want the watered down words of men there are a million web sites you can go to. We teach Gods Word here. No compromises.