Moderators should ban wolves in sheep's clothing

ScottAU · Mar 31, 2013

mjrhealth said:
In chucrh we have thieves, oh but that is ok, they dress like you act like you talk like you so you cant see, thats ok.
In church we have adulteres, they dress like you talk like you and act like you, so you cant see so thats ok,
In church, we have liars and deceivers, but they talk like you dress like you act like you so thats ok
In church we have murders, but they talk like you dress like you act like you so thats ok, because on the outside it is all hidden from view, but when one is gay, it is not hiidden from view so that makes them number one target. You all say it is the same as anyother sin yet it ha more posts about it than any other, why, because it has become the Log in your eye, see they cant hide it from you, unless they are very good, and that makes them an easy target. But remember this when you go and stand before teh Lord, and He shows you all that you have called sinners, and than He judges you teh same. For a crime to be commited there must one who is guilty, for the case to go to court there must be an accuser, the devil, there is a judge and defendant Jesus, so whose side are you on. And you say but Jesus they are guilty, and He will say, but I have payed for there sin, I have payed the price in FULL, what would you have Jesus do, go back to teh cross and do it all again to please your flesh.

In All His Love

Where in the Bible does it teach that "Jesus paid the price for sin in full" ???? The Bible does not teach any such thing, if you can find it then show me.

I read this in the Bible...

1Co 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
1Co 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Eph 5:3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;
Eph 5:4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.
Eph 5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
Eph 5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
Eph 5:7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them.

So I don't think it matters which sin someone is doing from the above list, anyone who does any of those things is not going to inherit the kingdom.

UNLESS

They forsake it in repentance. The mercy seat is open.

Jas 1:21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.

meshak · Mar 31, 2013

mjrhealth said:
In chucrh we have thieves, oh but that is ok, they dress like you act like you talk like you so you cant see, thats ok.
In church we have adulteres, they dress like you talk like you and act like you, so you cant see so thats ok,
In church, we have liars and deceivers, but they talk like you dress like you act like you so thats ok
In church we have murders, but they talk like you dress like you act like you so thats ok, because on the outside it is all hidden from view, but when one is gay, it is not hiidden from view so that makes them number one target. You all say it is the same as anyother sin yet it ha more posts about it than any other, why, because it has become the Log in your eye, see they cant hide it from you, unless they are very good, and that makes them an easy target. But remember this when you go and stand before teh Lord, and He shows you all that you have called sinners, and than He judges you teh same. For a crime to be commited there must one who is guilty, for the case to go to court there must be an accuser, the devil, there is a judge and defendant Jesus, so whose side are you on. And you say but Jesus they are guilty, and He will say, but I have payed for there sin, I have payed the price in FULL, what would you have Jesus do, go back to teh cross and do it all again to please your flesh.

In All His Love

Jesus' followers are supposed to avoid any kind of sins. You seem to indicate that it does not matter if we sin or not.

We should repent of all our sins. No one is advocating any kind of sins.

Jesus says "sin no more", friend.

HeRoseFromTheDead · Mar 31, 2013

mjrhealth said:
You all say it is the same as anyother sin yet it ha more posts about it than any other, why,...?

because practising homosexuals come here and declare that sex between same sexes is not sin.

Imagine what would happen if a practising adulterer came here and started declaring that adultery was not a sin. Or a thief, theft; or a murderer, murder; or an idolator, idolatry.

Get the point?

Pelaides · Mar 31, 2013

Rach said:
Really? There's only about 5 of us....my first instinct to this is to laugh, but on second thought.....if you honestly think one or some of us are wolves, don't you think you should be talking to the mod's that you think aren't wolves?
To be honest, I can't see it. The mods do come from different places and have a few varying beliefs, but as far as the essentials, we all hold to them.
But seriously, if you believe there to be a problem, you should be talking to someone about it, rather than taking vague and public swipes at us.

Your not the one i am talking about young lady,the individual i am refering to once said, "he killed Jesus",he has also made many strange unchristian remarks.He is also the one who locks any topic criticising gays.

Stephen100 · Mar 31, 2013

mjrhealth said:
Let me put is in a better light.

Joh 8:15 Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man.
Joh 8:16 And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me.

Mat 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
Mat 7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

You cannot see past your eyes, you cannot see what Jesus sees, becareful what you ask for.

In All His Love

So what are you saying, tell people that it's okay to practice homosexuality and allow them to go to hell? When Jesus said "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone," he was speaking to the people who wanted to stone the woman to death. It sickens me how so many professing Christians rip verses out of their context for the purpose of watering down sin.

Rach said:
Well....it can be a bit of a tricky problem, but I'll give you one answer....
There is a difference between a troll, who only wants to insult and stir up arguments...that's a no brainer...you boot 'em.
But as for 'wolves'....it can be tricky to tell the difference between those who are wolves (out to deliberately lead others astray for their own benefit or cause), and those who are passionate about God but just plain wrong in what the understand.
The problem of 'just booting them' is that until you have a fairly firm grasp on which one of the above they are, booting them immediately may not be the best evangelistic course. If the person in question is well meaning but just wrong, we don't want to send them away with trying to talk to them about the truth. God is always using us to spread his word, and we cannot discount the opportunity we often have here to just cajole, reason, persuade and just honestly present the truth to these people.
Who knows...God may even use us to save a wolf.....having read Paul's conversion...anything is possible with God!

So....that is a very big consideration for us mods....it's not always easy to juggle everything and consider every angle, and to please every one. So sometimes we have to go with what we hope would please God, and further his gospel. Sometimes we just try and present the truth until we know for certain that they will not hear it....and sometimes, that takes a little times to know that.

I don't find it tricky at all. Anybody who professes to be a Christian while trying to convince others that homosexuality is not a sin is obviously a wolf or a hypocrite. Such people are very dangerous and should be banned. The early apostles would not tolerate it, and neither should we.

aspen · Mar 31, 2013

hope the irony is not lost on all you sheep who see yourselves surrounded by wolves - yes, everyone, i am talking to you.

Stephen100 · Mar 31, 2013

mjrhealth said:
Hi Meshak. I know what Jesus teaches that is enough for me, again you choose to look with your eyes and cant see. Would you go tell a 5 year old child they are going to hell ?? I guess there are a few here who should be taking stones with them when they go to the gays, or maybe they should ask them " where are your accusers" dont be surprised if they point there fingers at you, who is teh accuser, the devil.

In all His Love

If you knew what Jesus taught then you would know that those who support homosexuality and any other sin will be condemned. You're idea of love is to allow people to feel comfortable in sin and end up in hell.

Rex said:
You certainly do a grave disservice to the word, let those that read the last page determine for themselves whether what you said is true.

You handle the scriptures the same way you recall the conversation on the last page, no one said
Would you go tell a 5 year old child they are going to hell
there are a few here who should be taking stones with them when they go to the gays

If I was petitioning for a ban I would have said so. My dog in the disagreement is denial of sin unrepentant hearts. What do you do with people that deny they are in sin? Some say you break bread with then, I say you shake the dust from your sandals, perhaps someday they will repent or at least admit their in sin. You can't help people that insist they don't need help. My Solution Rev 22:11

It's your house, it's simply your choice, it's no more disruptive than a half dozen other disagreements. I've said my peace. Eze 33:9-10
I'll be glad to break bread with homosexuals that admit it's a sin, I'll not sit with scoffers and mockers of righteousness, with those that thumb their nose at sin.

Nor with those that coddle and harbor them Rev 2:20-21

mjrhealth knows very well that homosexuality is a sin. He's not thick. It is my opinion that he should be banned because professing to be a Christian while supporting sin is trampling the blood of Christ. The early apostles would never tolerate such an insult, so I have no idea why the moderators are tolerating it. If we are going to clean up Christianity, we need to get rid of the wolves. Enough is enough! We need to put our foot down instead of being afraid to offend the wolves that are giving Christianity a bad name.

Rach1370 · Mar 31, 2013

Pelaides said:
Your not the one i am talking about young lady,the individual i am refering to once said, "he killed Jesus",he has also made many strange unchristian remarks.He is also the one who locks any topic criticising gays.

Well, I am glad you're not speaking of me...and I can assure you, my faith and love of Christ is genuine.
But honestly...if you have concerns...why not talk to us? We can either reassure, or dig into something like this.
As far as closing topics criticizing gays....I've done that. Not because I think homosexuality is ok, but because the tone of the thread had become less than edifying. Sadly, being a moderator can be complicated, and some things we do can be seen in a certain light. But usually it was done with the best intention.
Also...you should note that we are not perfect. I've often lost my temper and said things I probably shouldn't. I also have a somewhat dry sense of humour that I've found others sometimes take more seriously than they should! My point being....not everyone is on the same wavelength...and sometimes, no matter how you express yourself, you end up with people misunderstanding you and people thinking you've said something horrible! I think in such circumstances is can be helpful to remember that God made us all differently!

I honestly don't think any of the mod's are wolves...but again, if you are concerned, why not take it to HammerStone? Truly, I know all the mod's here just want a forum that honours and give glory to God.

mjrhealth · Mar 31, 2013

Stephen 100. next time you got to church, why dont yoiu ask all those who still have sin in there lives to leave, and when you yourself walk out of the church, you will find it empty. and that would apply to this and any othe rchristian forum.

Oh that antichrist spirit, everywhere I turn,

In all His Love

Rach1370 · Mar 31, 2013

Stephen100 said:
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I don't find it tricky at all. Anybody who professes to be a Christian while trying to convince others that homosexuality is not a sin is obviously a wolf or a hypocrite. Such people are very dangerous and should be banned. The early apostles would not tolerate it, and neither should we.

So...you don't think it important to stand up to the truth to these people....to give them a chance to see the truth and repent? You just want to condemn them straight to hell with no worries about their soul?
Because I think the bible tells us to love our enemies and that God wants everyone to come to him.
And, I think it is possible to inform them that you will not budge on certain issues (ie, homosexuality being a sin) and still extend the truth to them.

Arnie Manitoba · Mar 31, 2013

meshak said:
One forum I was in, they allowed non-trins to post, but one member started to tell the forum that they should ban all non-trins. Admin took up his petition. I was also anti-military servant, and it was just good opportunity to ban me..

I have a hard time why you are on a Trinity type of forum when it does not align with what you believe ?

Would you not fit in better with WWCG or JW or similar ?

I am not against you meshak ..... but I will never change to your religion and you will never change to mine .... so what is the purpose ?

By the way , I dislike the (poor) way the trinity doctrine is explained , but there is no better way to do it.

You obviously have a list from the bible where it shows Jesus simply as Jesus (and not as God)

Your list is correct of course .... no argument with you there meshak.

Now .... if you make another list of all the places where Jesus is presented as God , then your study is complete.

mjrhealth · Mar 31, 2013

Funny thing is I have never said homosexuality is not a sin, neither have i ever condoned it, but again it shows teh hearts of christians and where it lies.

In all His Love

KCKID · Mar 31, 2013

Stephen100 said:
It seems there are some professing Christians in here that argue for gay marriage. As we all know, God condemns homosexual practice, just as He condemns all other sin. Now, Jesus said that there are wolves in sheep's clothing and that you will recognize them by their fruit. These wolves are very dangerous because they claim to be Christians while trying to support certain sins like homosexuality or abortion. Anybody on here who tries to convince others that homosexual practice is okay is obviously a wolf, and should be banned.

These wolves are more dangerous than unbelievers. I really wish the moderators would ban such people.

Stephen, I'm one of those who argues for gay marriage. I also consider myself a Christian. This means that I believe in Jesus (John 3:16) and am inspired by the work Jesus did on earth while he was here. While I will never be able to emulate Jesus (since I'm a human being) I DO try (perhaps not as hard as I should or could) to be the best type of person that I can be. I often fail and I just as often find myself being the very hypocrite that I don't want to be. But ...whenever I run into someone such as yourself I cringe. I see a bitter and angry and unloving individual who, if anything, is, to me, the epitome of a wolf in a fake sheep's clothing. In other words, you don't even come across as a gentle sheep. This does not necessarily make you a bad person but it sure as heck makes you an ineffective Christian. Few people, unless they think as you do as some on this forum do, would be convinced that you have a message of hope to preach, i.e. the Gospel.

Let me run something by you here. Forget homosexuality and gay marriage for a while and listen up. While I've stated on several occasions that I'm currently a non-practicing Seventh-Day Adventist, i.e. I presently don't attend Church, the small Church that I used to attend (congregation fluctuating between about 60 and 80) had at least a half-dozen divorcees/remarrieds in its membership, several in positions of authority. ALL were (re)married by the pastor of my Church. "I", personally, welcomed these good folks as brothers and sisters in Christ and never stopped to think for one moment that these people were living in a 'sinful (biblically speaking) lifestyle'. Even now that I DO know how 'sinful' this is it phases me not one bit. Since then I've learned that such 'unbiblical' marriages occur frequently on a world-wide scale. There are tens of thousands of them. Homosexuals in the Church pale by FAR in comparison to these adulterous relationships that are not only accepted by the Church but also embraced.

My question to you ...where do you stand in regard to this blatant 'sin' of scriptural adultery that is accepted without question by the Church? Whichever Church congregation you care to survey you will likely find at least one remarried couple. You will likely never find a professed homosexual sitting in the pews of the average Church ...certainly not on the same scale as the 'scriptural adulterers'. If you accept this blatant scriptural 'no-no' are YOU not one of those wolves in sheep's clothing that you refer to?

I'll await your response.

mjrhealth said:
Funny thing is I have never said homosexuality is not a sin, neither have i ever condoned it, but again it shows teh hearts of christians and where it lies.

In all His Love

Many respond in the same manner as Pavlov's dog. They hear the word 'homosexual' and they involuntarily drool.

IAmAWitness · Mar 31, 2013

KCKID said:
Stephen, I'm one of those who argues for gay marriage. I also consider myself a Christian. This means that I believe in Jesus (John 3:16) and am inspired by the work Jesus did on earth while he was here. While I will never be able to emulate Jesus (since I'm a human being) I DO try (perhaps not as hard as I should or could) to be the best type of person that I can be. I often fail and I just as often find myself being the very hypocrite that I don't want to be. But ...whenever I run into someone such as yourself I cringe. I see a bitter and angry and unloving individual who, if anything, is, to me, the epitome of a wolf in a fake sheep's clothing. In other words, you don't even come across as a gentle sheep. This does not necessarily make you a bad person but it sure as heck makes you an ineffective Christian. Few people, unless they think as you do as some on this forum do, would be convinced that you have a message of hope to preach, i.e. the Gospel.

Let me run something by you here. Forget homosexuality and gay marriage for a while and listen up. While I've stated on several occasions that I'm currently a non-practicing Seventh-Day Adventist, i.e. I presently don't attend Church, the small Church that I used to attend (congregation fluctuating between about 60 and 80) had at least a half-dozen divorcees/remarrieds in its membership, several in positions of authority. ALL were (re)married by the pastor of my Church. "I", personally, welcomed these good folks as brothers and sisters in Christ and never stopped to think for one moment that these people were living in a 'sinful (biblically speaking) lifestyle'. Even now that I DO know how 'sinful' this is it phases me not one bit. Since then I've learned that such 'unbiblical' marriages occur frequently on a world-wide scale. There are tens of thousands of them. Homosexuals in the Church pale by FAR in comparison to these adulterous relationships that are not only accepted by the Church but also embraced.

My question to you ...where do you stand in regard to this blatant 'sin' of scriptural adultery that is accepted without question by the Church? Whichever Church congregation you care to survey you will likely find at least one remarried couple. You will likely never find a professed homosexual sitting in the pews of the average Church ...certainly not on the same scale as the 'scriptural adulterers'. If you accept this blatant scriptural 'no-no' are YOU not one of those wolves in sheep's clothing that you refer to?

I'll await your response.

Many respond in the same manner as Pavlov's dog. They hear the word 'homosexual' and they involuntarily drool.

Do you want to know what I think? I think we should turn the heat up on all of the sexually immoral. Defame, dishonor, rebuke, chastise, condemn, and banish them and set them aflame.

I have a bigger problem with gays however. They are so whiny and immature and insecure and want to force their agenda all down everyone's throats and they are horrible embarrassments for human life. All they do is start lawsuits whenever they have the chance and try to take everyone's money because they're low lives who will not get good jobs like the more well adjusted fornicators of a different persuasion.

I am of the 144,000 and I condemn every sexual impropriety, it is despicable before me and tasteless.

KCKID · Mar 31, 2013

Here is something for you to peruse, Stephen. Please read the below list of sins and then throw the first stone if none of these apply to you. There are MANY more 'sins' that I couldn't be bothered to post.

Partial List of Biblical Sins

Accusing (Jude 9:2; Peter 2:11

Not Acknowledging YOUR OWN Sins (Jeremiah 3:13)

Adultery (Matthew 19:18; Genesis 39:7-9; Exodus 20:14)

Looking On A Woman To Lust (Matthew 5:28; 2 Peter 2:14)

Unjustified Anger (Proverbs 27:4; 29:22; Exodus 6:9; 2 Corinthians 12:20)

Angry With Your Brother (Matthew 5:22)

Arguing (Proverbs 17:14; 18:6; Titus 3-9; 2 Timothy 2:23)

Arrogance (Pride) (Mark 7:22; Isaiah 2:17; Romans 1:30; 2 Corinthians 11:20)

Back Biting (Psalm 15:1-3)

Bitterness (Acts 8:23; Romans 3:14; Ephesians 4:31; Hebrews 12:15

Judging God's Servants (Romans 14:4, 10)

Not Keeping The Seventh-Day Sabbath (Exodus 20:8-11)

As said, there are MANY more biblical sins ...plenty, in fact, to go around.

Rex · Mar 31, 2013

Be careful brother don't cast your pearls before swine

I just made a post then seen yours, wait to be called, come up here

Rex said:
http://www.christianityboard.com/topic/17440-simple-chart-of-end-times-events/page-3#entry189572

Rex said:

Many men have tried to hammer out the secrets of the Prophets yet to be fulfilled, they will not be fully known until the same Spirit that spoke them threw the Prophets reveals them. I simply position myself where I have been lead, I believe that to be the fisher in the Rock of Ages where it will cleft when the time comes.
I know I'm on solid ground the rock has cleft for me before, I believe it will again all in the Lords perfect timing.

Click to expand...

meshak · Mar 31, 2013

Arnie Manitoba said:
I have a hard time why you are on a Trinity type of forum when it does not align with what you believe ?

Would you not fit in better with WWCG or JW or similar ?

I am not against you meshak ..... but I will never change to your religion and you will never change to mine .... so what is the purpose ?

By the way , I dislike the (poor) way the trinity doctrine is explained , but there is no better way to do it.

You obviously have a list from the bible where it shows Jesus simply as Jesus (and not as God)

Your list is correct of course .... no argument with you there meshak.

Now .... if you make another list of all the places where Jesus is presented as God , then your study is complete.

Take a look at my sig, friend. I am Jesus' servant, my duty is to spread Jesus' whole messages which most mainstreams perverted and misrepresented.

I already refuted all your claims of your doctrine of trinity. Jesus never taught the trinity, much less to accept it as requirement for salvation.

I dont need to be told which forum I fit in by you.

KCKID · Mar 31, 2013

IAmAWitness said:
Do you want to know what I think? I think we should turn the heat up on all of the sexually immoral. Defame, dishonor, rebuke, chastise, condemn, and banish them and set them aflame.

Obviously, you gest . . .?

IAmAWitness said:
I have a bigger problem with gays however. They are so whiny and immature and insecure and want to force their agenda all down everyone's throats and they are horrible embarrassments for human life. All they do is start lawsuits whenever they have the chance and try to take everyone's money because they're low lives who will not get good jobs like the more well adjusted fornicators of a different persuasion.

Until I know that you're serious and not using irony I can't respond to this post.

IAmAWitness said:
I am of the 144,000 and I condemn every sexual impropriety, it is despicable before me and tasteless.

Again ...????

IAmAWitness · Mar 31, 2013

Either you will be on fire for God or you will be set aflame by the fires of Hell. Make your decision to burn, for God or for the devil.

The sexually immoral and degenerate generation, this filthy antichrist nation called America that has peddled this filth and now likely will legalize the most illicit of all relations in June is damned and cursed with a curse. There is a divine appointment between this nation and the God we once served and it is our scheduled demise, the collapse of all as we know it and few survivors will be left. God will bring His holy wrath upon us and there will be no alleviating it or turning it back.

This I pray, "Let thy will be done".

Rex · Apr 1, 2013

KCKID said:
Again ...????

The big guns are on the way.
I hope you've completed your basic training, did you opt out for special forces?
Did you choose to stand in the furnace?

We don't leave the wounded behind we hold our brothers up and take them home

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