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Jesus could not be born of man, meaning Joseph, yet he was formed in the womb of Mary as a human as us to become flesh, but the Spirit of God gave Him His bloodline being the Son of God.
It is a proven fact that the man's seed holds the bloodline. And that is why Jesus could not be born of fallen man's seed. Jesus is the Seed of God and the Bible says that our life is in our blood. This does not mean that we loose our life only when we loose our blood, for you can die in your sleep without ever loosing a drop of blood so He is saying that our life is in our spirit and our spirit resides in our bloodline. For the Spirit of God is the Breath of life.
That is why it is acceptable for a man to have many wives in some countries and in the old testament, because the seed of the man is the bloodline and by our bloodline we are described as of good blood or bad blood and it is our spirit we are of which decides if we are of God or the devils offspring.
If the woman has many men, she does not know who's child is who's and the family bloodline of the male will be comprised should a wife be unfaithful and the male believe that a child is of his blood yet is not for he is financially responsible for the child as well.
Rom 8:3
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
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Phil 2:7-8
7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
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It would not have been acceptable for Jesus to be in his incorruptible body that he had with the Father to fulfill the law, it had to be legal, it had to be flesh and blood to pay our debt, man for man.

But the Spirit of God is called our seal of adoption being born again of the Spirit which is the bloodline of Jesus that we must drink in, and the Bread of life is the Word of God which is Christ this distinguish our dna. It is not John Smith that is written in the book of life, it is our dna for we must be the same souls.
To be born again is by the water and the Spirit, Jesus is the living water being the Word that we must be cleansed with and the Spirit of adoption is the teacher.

John 3:3-7
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
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1 Peter 1:23
23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
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1 John 3:9
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
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Gal 3:19
19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
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Luke 8:11
11 Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God.
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It to bad your not giving your gender more credit. You see the first promise referring to redemption said "her seed" as in Eve. Gen 3:15
I'm a bit tired but think about the redemption coming threw her seed.
 

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Hi Rex,

The seed of the Woman means Israel. Remember the Woman is Israel/Jacob is the son's or children of Israel?
Eve is the mother of the living and God is the God of the living. But the Seed is Christ and He is the Word and the Word is Spirit and life and the Word was God.
Gen 3:20
20 And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.
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Matt 22:32
32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.
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Also we are called the SEED of Abraham in Christ Jesus and if the bloodline did not come through the father, then it would not say that Abraham had two son's. One was born of the seed of the flesh Ismael which represents our carnal man and the other Isaac was born of a promise or of the Spirit who the son's of Jacob will be born in the body of Christ.
Gal 3:16
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
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I'm a bit more inclined to think that Gen 3:15 is speaking of Jesus. Born of a woman "a daughter of Eve of course"
It a rather bit like redeeming women, the serpent beguiled the woman and in that lead to the fall, its only fitting that God would also redeem mankind threw the same vessel. I don't disagree that the nature of a man is from the father, Jesus had no earthly sire, he was born from above born of Spirit.
 

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Rex said:
I'm a bit more inclined to think that Gen 3:15 is speaking of Jesus. Born of a woman "a daughter of Eve of course"
It a rather bit like redeeming women, the serpent beguiled the woman and in that lead to the fall, its only fitting that God would also redeem mankind threw the same vessel. I don't disagree that the nature of a man is from the father, Jesus had no earthly sire, he was born from above born of Spirit.
You are correct Rex to believe the Seed of the Woman was speaking of Jesus absolutely, but the Woman represents Israel the Land and the sons. Remember when God told Jacob that he is now Israel? So Israel is the nation and Jacob are the sons or children.
Isa 62:4-5
4 Thou shalt no more be termed Forsaken; neither shall thy land any more be termed Desolate: but thou shalt be called Hephzi-bah, and thy land Beulah: for the LORD delighteth in thee, and thy land shall be married.
5 For as a young man marrieth a virgin, so shall thy sons marry thee: and as the bridegroom rejoiceth over the bride, so shall thy God rejoice over thee.
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All children of God are born from the womb of spiritual Jerusalem our mother to begin with, but it is the Father who plants His Seed in the woman. Spiritual children as you know are not born in the natural way. But the Seed of God is His Word and the Word is Jesus whom when the Word is planted into our circumcised hearts develops us into a child of God in the image of Christ(attributes of the Word)
1 John 3:9-10
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
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God is both male and female just as Adam was created in God's image before God divided him into two who were called one flesh. I do believe that the mother is responsible for the up bringing of a child and that is why the holy Spirit as a DOVE is our teacher and her children by the Father is of The Seed of the Father which is His Word, His Son Jesus, The Christ.
Gal 4:22-5:1
22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.
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Hi afaithfulone,

It is a proven fact that the man's seed holds the bloodline.
I probably won't get too tangled up in this thread, but please take on board this point: a child does not get his blood from his father any more than his mother. Since I've been on forums I've heard this again and again, and it is nonsense. It's not even relevant to scripture.

The blood of Jesus Christ was unique because of who He was - the only one of that kind. That is all anyone needs to understand.

His blood contained the life of God, and it was able to redeem us because of the power of that (endless) life.

Remember when God told Jacob that he is now Israel? So Israel is the nation and Jacob are the sons or children.
Jacob is the man of flesh - the natural man. Israel which means God prevails, is the new name Jacob received when he allowed God to prevail over him. The children of Israel are those to whom the promises pertain. The sons of Jacob are those who need to turn away from sin, (and believe on the Messiah, Jesus,) to receive the promises.

The 'land' is about that in which God cultivates and nurtures His image and likeness - the well-prepared soil of the heart. We all need 'the land of Israel' inside us - the new heart and the new spirit and the life of the Son and the Father, through the ministry of the Holy Spirit.
 

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dragonfly said:
Hi afaithfulone,


I probably won't get too tangled up in this thread, but please take on board this point: a child does not get his blood from his father any more than his mother. Since I've been on forums I've heard this again and again, and it is nonsense. It's not even relevant to scripture.

The blood of Jesus Christ was unique because of who He was - the only one of that kind. That is all anyone needs to understand.

His blood contained the life of God, and it was able to redeem us because of the power of that (endless) life.


Jacob is the man of flesh - the natural man. Israel which means God prevails, is the new name Jacob received when he allowed God to prevail over him. The children of Israel are those to whom the promises pertain. The sons of Jacob are those who need to turn away from sin, (and believe on the Messiah, Jesus,) to receive the promises.

The 'land' is about that in which God cultivates and nurtures His image and likeness - the well-prepared soil of the heart. We all need 'the land of Israel' inside us - the new heart and the new spirit and the life of the Son and the Father, through the ministry of the Holy Spirit.
So do you realize what you are saying here dragonfly, that Jesus took on the bloodline of the fallen nature by his mother Mary? Isn't it known that Joseph could not be his father due to him then being of the fallen nature and his bloodline would have passed on to Jesus?
It is the father who carries the blood of a child and it is contained in the seed of the man it is a proven fact that no blood of the mother's ever enters the child.
The Word is the Seed of God and the Spirit as a dove is the mothering aspect of God who nourishes the children of God with the Word washing them and clothing them in the Word disguised as the Firstborn Son.
The kingdom of heavenly Jerusalem is within you, so yes the soil of our heart is where the Seed/Word/Jesus of God is planted by the Spirit of God of who we are of who indwells us and that transforms us into the children of God. Just like Rebekah disguised Jacob as the firstborn son to receive the Blessings of promise, so does our mother clothe us in Christ as the Firstborn who has been growing in her womb.

Rev 22:17
17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
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Ezek 36:27
27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
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Luke 17:20-21
20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
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1 John 3:9
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
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God is both male and female hence Israel/Jacob both being the same man child person, but one is called the Woman/Land/soil called of the nation of Israel and Jacob who is also male are the sons or children of the nation of the Woman yet their Head is Father God.

That is why the sons of God saw the daughters of men, for there are no female angels so they do not need gentiles for they do not bare natural children. Adam fell and was given flesh there had never been a natural child birth before that time. That was a punishment given to Eve for her tempting her husband to sin against God because she did not know what God had said and thought the tree in the midst of the garden was the forbidden tree. God told Adam before He took Eve out of Adam so she received her Word of God second hand and was therefor deceived by the Temptor who tests us with the Word to see if we know it or not to steal our Blessings for obedience.
New Jerusalem is being prepared as old earthly Jerusalem is getting ready to be destroyed. Then Christ comes to prepare a place for the Bride to come down which is heavenly Jerusalem that will come down after the 1,000 yr clean up in the new heaven and earth. The first resurrection will be only the kings and priests of God who have been chosen elected to rule and reign with Christ as his holy body.
 

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Hi afaithfulone,

I'll answer just the first three lines of your post.

So do you realize what you are saying here dragonfly, that Jesus took on the bloodline of the fallen nature by his mother Mary? Isn't it known that Joseph could not be his father due to him then being of the fallen nature and his bloodline would have passed on to Jesus?
It is the father who carries the blood of a child and it is contained in the seed of the man it is a proven fact that no blood of the mother's ever enters the child.
I did not say that Jesus took on the bloodline of a fallen nature.

And no, He would not have had Joseph's bloodline any more than Mary's, had Joseph been his father. But God was His father.

It is a myth that the father carries the blood of a child. The father's blood doesn't enter the child any more than the mother's doesn't enter the child.

God told Adam before He took Eve out of Adam so she received her Word of God second hand and was therefor deceived by the Temptor who tests us with the Word to see if we know it or not to steal our Blessings for obedience.
If you read Genesis 3 in the King James version of the Bible, you will see that when the serpent spoke to Eve, Adam was right there with her. He knew exactly what the serpent was proposing to Eve, and he did not prevent her from taking the fruit. As you point out, the commandment was given to Adam before Eve had been made, and that's why God held him, as head, responsible for the sin which he chose to commit with his wife.
 

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dragonfly said:
Hi afaithfulone,

I'll answer just the first three lines of your post.


I did not say that Jesus took on the bloodline of a fallen nature.

And no, He would not have had Joseph's bloodline any more than Mary's, had Joseph been his father. But God was His father.

It is a myth that the father carries the blood of a child. The father's blood doesn't enter the child any more than the mother's doesn't enter the child.


If you read Genesis 3 in the King James version of the Bible, you will see that when the serpent spoke to Eve, Adam was right there with her. He knew exactly what the serpent was proposing to Eve, and he did not prevent her from taking the fruit. As you point out, the commandment was given to Adam before Eve had been made, and that's why God held him, as head, responsible for the sin which he chose to commit with his wife.
thank you dragonfly,
First of all, I understand that the spirit of a man resides in their blood. That is why God says the life of the flesh is in the blood. This can not mean that you only loose your life it you loose your blood because you can die in your sleep and never loose a drop of blood. So it means that our spirit resides in our blood and that is what makes our lineage. That is why if we are lead of God's Spirit of LIFE we are the children of God but if we are of an unclean spirit then we are of the devils offspring and so much for the giants born in the natural to men, for the devil who was an angel can not have physical children they are spiritual giants as in high and mighty to overpower the innocent peaceful people and giants of the industry or business and government who seem larger than life due to their ill gotten gains that buy their way in life and escape the justice system. The Father is Spirit and has no blood but the Spirit is our adoption because the is the one who trains us up into the children of God by revealing the Word to us who is the Seed of God that is planted into our hearts to transform us. But in the natural birth the father's seed contains the bloodline and again our spirit resides in our blood our dna that is what is written down in the book of life, not John or Mary Smith.

If you will notice Eve thought the tree in the midst of the garden was the forbidden tree. The Tree of life(Word of God) being Jesus Is the tree of life that God placed in the midst of the garden and he is always in the midst of things, he is even the center lampstand on the menorah for he is the light of the world that came at the 4,000 time period out of the 7,000 earth age years. He stood in the midst of disciples after his resurrection.
Gen 2:9
9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
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Many try to say that the tree of the knowledge of good and evil was also in the midst, but the coma shows it just means it also was in the garden. If there were two trees in the midst of the garden the serpent would have had to ask WHICH ONE?

Gen 3:3-4
3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
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Ex 3:2
2 And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed.
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Rev 2:1
2:1 Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks;
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Luke 24:36
36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
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Rev 5:6
6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
KJV
Rev 7:17
17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.
KJV

Here is an article that I found, if you care to read it.


“It is now definitely known that the blood which flows in an unborn babe's arteries and veins is not derived from the mother, but is produced within the body of the fetus. Yet it is only after the sperm has entered the ovum and the fetus begins to develop, that blood appears.
It is unnecessary that a single drop of blood be given to the developing embryo in the womb of the mother. Such is the case according to scientists. The mother provides the fetus with the nutritive elements for the building of that little body in the secret of her womb, but all the blood which forms in it, is formed in the embryo itself. The mother contributes no blood at all!
This is quoted from the Howell's Textbook of Physiology: "For the purpose of understanding its general functions it is sufficient to recall that the placenta consists essentially of vascular chorionic papillae from the fetus bathed in the large blood spaces of the decidual membrane of the mother. The fetal and maternal blood do not come in actual contact. They are separated from each other by the walls of the fetal blood vessels and the epithelial layers of the chorionic villus."
The Holy Spirit was the life that flowed through the sinless blood of Jesus, and you can never separate the spirit from the blood, they work together. When did the outpouring of the Holy Spirit occur? It was not until after the blood of Jesus had been poured out at Calvary.

Additional facts from medical science they wrote:

Author Louise Zabriskie and RN wrote in a Nurses Handbook Of Obstetrics, "When the circulation of the blood begins in the embryo, it remains separate and distinct from that of the mother. All food and waste material which are interchanged between the embryo and the mother must pass through the blood vessel's walls from one circulation to the other.
The fetus receives its nourishment and oxygen from the mother's blood into its own through the medium of the placenta. The fetal heart pumps blood through the arteries of the umbilical cord into the placental vessels, which, looping in and out of the uterine tissue and lying in close contact with the uterine vessels, permit a diffusion, through their walls, of waste products from child to mother and nourishment and oxygen from the mother to child. As has been said, this interchange is effected the process of osmosis, and there is no direct mingling of the two blood currents. In other words no maternal blood actually flows to the fetus, nor is there and direct fetal blood flow to the mother." End of article.

While Mary’s natural womb was used for Jesus’ flesh birth, it is the Holy Spirit who planted the Word, the Seed into Mary’s womb. Jesus is the “Word of life” that became flesh and dwelt among us. Jesus was the Seed of God that came through the natural woman Mary, yet his flesh man died on the cross. Then the Word was resurrected on the 3rd day. Those who have joined themselves to Christ, are part of his spiritual body(believers) left on this earth, and will have the Seed of the Word growing in their hearts to become the children of God. Spiritual heavenly Jerusalem the city is the bride/wife of the Lamb and our mother.
 

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Jesus could not be born of man, meaning Joseph, yet he was formed in the womb of Mary as a human as us to become flesh, but the Spirit of God gave Him His bloodline being the Son of God.

dragonfly is correct in that, "The blood of Jesus Christ was unique because of who He was - the only one of that kind". no DNA from any human man or woman.
neither Mary nor Joseph, or any other human had anything to do with our Lords conception, only the Holy Spirit.
John 1:13 "Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God"
well that just killed the bloodline, "Which were born, not of blood", that eliminates any man or woman in any way of conception. " nor of the will of the flesh". meaning Mary egg is out too. nor of the will of man nor any sperm was used. Jesus body was prepared, Hebrews 10:5 "Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me".

but our Lord was born. that's what give him the right to be David son, legally, by birth. not by blood, but by birth. Mary was only the surrogate mother, that birthed that flesh into the world.

Bible says that our life is in our blood. This does not mean that we loose our life only when we loose our blood, for you can die in your sleep without ever loosing a drop of blood so He is saying that our life is in our spirit and our spirit resides in our bloodline".
sister I'm not saying that your right or wrong, but the bible say that the LIFE OF THE FLESH IS IN THE BLOOD. Leviticus 17:11 "For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.
concerning the spirit, (as you say without a spill of blood), James 2:26 "For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also". its the body that is dead, not the spirit.

That is why it is acceptable for a man to have many wives in some countries and in the old testament, because the seed of the man is the bloodline and by our bloodline we are described as of good blood or bad blood and it is our spirit we are of which decides if we are of God or the devils offspring.
again, I'm not saying that your right or wrong, but consider this. sin is a learned behavior, its not genetic. so the blood have nothing to do with us sining. its a choice based on knowledge or the lack there of, Romans 3:20 "Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin". just as for righteousness it must be taught and learn. just an example, Proverbs 19:27 "Cease, my son, to hear the instruction that causeth to err from the words of knowledge". instruction, instruction, instruction, why do we need teachers?. Jeremiah 17:23 "But they obeyed not, neither inclined their ear, but made their neck stiff, that they might not hear, nor receive instruction".

Heritage don't count, according to the flesh. Romans 2:29 "But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God".

Love and Peace
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101G said:
2 afaithfulone4u, GINOLJC

Jesus could not be born of man, meaning Joseph, yet he was formed in the womb of Mary as a human as us to become flesh, but the Spirit of God gave Him His bloodline being the Son of God.

dragonfly is correct in that, "The blood of Jesus Christ was unique because of who He was - the only one of that kind". no DNA from any human man or woman.
neither Mary nor Joseph, or any other human had anything to do with our Lords conception, only the Holy Spirit.
John 1:13 "Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God"
well that just killed the bloodline, "Which were born, not of blood", that eliminates any man or woman in any way of conception. " nor of the will of the flesh". meaning Mary egg is out too. nor of the will of man nor any sperm was used. Jesus body was prepared, Hebrews 10:5 "Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me".

but our Lord was born. that's what give him the right to be David son, legally, by birth. not by blood, but by birth. Mary was only the surrogate mother, that birthed that flesh into the world.

Bible says that our life is in our blood. This does not mean that we loose our life only when we loose our blood, for you can die in your sleep without ever loosing a drop of blood so He is saying that our life is in our spirit and our spirit resides in our bloodline".
sister I'm not saying that your right or wrong, but the bible say that the LIFE OF THE FLESH IS IN THE BLOOD. Leviticus 17:11 "For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.
concerning the spirit, (as you say without a spill of blood), James 2:26 "For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also". its the body that is dead, not the spirit.

That is why it is acceptable for a man to have many wives in some countries and in the old testament, because the seed of the man is the bloodline and by our bloodline we are described as of good blood or bad blood and it is our spirit we are of which decides if we are of God or the devils offspring.
again, I'm not saying that your right or wrong, but consider this. sin is a learned behavior, its not genetic. so the blood have nothing to do with us sining. its a choice based on knowledge or the lack there of, Romans 3:20 "Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin". just as for righteousness it must be taught and learn. just an example, Proverbs 19:27 "Cease, my son, to hear the instruction that causeth to err from the words of knowledge". instruction, instruction, instruction, why do we need teachers?. Jeremiah 17:23 "But they obeyed not, neither inclined their ear, but made their neck stiff, that they might not hear, nor receive instruction".

Heritage don't count, according to the flesh. Romans 2:29 "But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God".

Love and Peace
101G.
Hello 101G,
When I said that the life is in the blood I am talking about of the life of the flesh, but it does not mean we die only if we loose it, it means that the spirit of the man is in the blood for our spirit connected to God's Spirit is our life, that is why Abel's blood cried out for our spirit resides in our blood. The Spirit of life is the Breath of life and Jesus is the Word of life and the Word of God is Spirit that indwells us if be are adopted by God.
And it is not just choices that make us sinners for in Adam all fall short because the day they disobeyed God is the day they spiritually died and from that point on they had the word and spirit of the their father the devil and we all inherited it.

And if you will put all of the scripture in to the one you gave, you will see that this is not talking about Jesus not having blood, but the spiritual children of the rebirth will not be of blood for flesh and blood can not inherit the kingdom of God not see it.
John 1:11-14
11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
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And how can we forget the BLOOD of the Lamb that bought us?
Acts 20:28
28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
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Rev 1:5
5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
KJV

You are correct that our natural heritage does not count for you must be born again by the Word and Spirit who transforms us.
 

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When I said that the life is in the blood I am talking about of the life of the flesh. ok, I got you. thanks.

that make us sinners for in Adam all fall short because the day they disobeyed God is the day they spiritually died and from that point on they had the word and spirit of the their father the devil and we all inherited it.

again, I'm not saying that your right or wrong, but consider this. by Adam introduction of sin into the world. by him came DEATH. see you said it out of your mouth, listen to your own words, "all fall short because the day they disobeyed God", as I have said, sin came into the WORLD because of their disobedience. and DEATH was passed onto all that followed. sin was in the world, that's why Light came to take away the darkness/sin, (lack of knowledge). see darkness is void of knowledge, light is knowledge, and the wisdom of God give understanding. when we sin it is a lack of knowledge. that what happened to our first natural parents. a lack of knowledge, without wisdom, because she wanted to be "wise". when the devil said, "has God said", when one question the word of God, you're stepping into darkness. "you want surely die". eve never knew death. so the lie killed her. not physically dead, but spiritually. sister birth have nothing to do with our behavior, but our environment, the world. we learn. the old saying "he's. just like his daddy". question, how did he get that way?, learned behavior. example, if a baby was born in China, and was brought to say the US, and heard English, guess what, the baby, even BORN Chinese will speak English. we see this today. some children speak two or more languages because one parent speak, for example Spanish, and the other, French. bilingual, this is a learned behavior. you're not born to hate, you learn it. that's why we must, and have to BORN AGAIN, FROM ABOVE. for the almighty said my thoughts are not your thoughts, and my ways are not your way. our Lord said "LEARN OF ME". sin is a thought process. people thik of way to sin. our Lord said it best. if one lust after a woman you already sin. and when you carry out the thought then you have manifested the thought, called iniquity. sin is spiritual, iniquity is the carnal manifestation, or the work/act of the sin one thought about. so we need to change our thoughts. scripture, Romans 12:2 "And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God". THERE IT IS, "THE WORLD". sin was in the WORLD. but now LIGHT HAVE COME, TO CAST OUT DARKNESS. see we're born innocent. example, if we had a murder to occur in a room and there was two grown adults, and a baby in the room. the person who the police question is the adults. because the baby didn't do it. the baby is innocent. the police don't question the baby. now maybe 20 years later that same baby now grown, if that happen again, yes, then question him. the notion, what a lot of Christian use, quoting David "born in sin shaped in iniquity". there it is "shaped", shaped, is a learned behavior. one must learn how to kill. scripture, Romans 7:8 "But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead. 9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died. 10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death. 11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me". see sister when knowledge come, power comes, now its a test of YOUR WILL TO SIN OR NOT it's called "CHOICE", to sin or not to sin, that is the question. it what you do with that knowledge. 1 Corinthians 15:56 " The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law".
sin is a learned behavior
1 John 3:9 "Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
was not our Lord born?. was he without sin?. so that kills the birth sin thing.

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Can I point out again .... there is no blood in either sperm or ovum. The blood of the fetus is made in the fetus according to the instructions in the chromosomes which were in the sperm and the ovum - half from the mother and half from the father. (This is how some children are born female - they received an X chromosome from each parent, and some children are born male - they received an X from mother and Y from father.)
 

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Can I point out again .... there is no blood in either sperm or ovum. The blood of the fetus is made in the fetus according to the instructions in the chromosomes which were in the sperm and the ovum - half from the mother and half from the father. (This is how some children are born female - they received an X chromosome from each parent, and some children are born male - they received an X from mother and Y from father.)

this is true, the mother or father have nothing to do with the blood of the child, even when the mother is carrying child. her blood don't even interact with the child blood.


our Lord "TOOK PART", he was NOT a partake of flesh and blood. big difference in TOOK PART and partaker.

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Lastly, the seed of the woman is the ovum. The seed of the father is the sperm. Both are incomplete without the other. The importance of the phrase 'seed of the woman' is that it refers to an ovum.

So, the very fact that Jesus Christ was born without sin and did no sin, proves - not that Mary was without sin, but - that sin is not passed down through flesh and blood. It is a spiritual affectation of the heart/mind, which affects how the desires of the flesh develop.

And... every person who has been brought up in a religious household will know, the moment the strictures of parental controls are removed, a new level of waywardness threatens to overwhelm the religious training the child received for so many years; UNLESS a change of heart was effected in the child by its turning to the Lord in repentance and faith and adopting for itself, by its own choice, the controls of a new heart/mind.
 

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amen dragonfly
just as baptism is not the washing away of the filth of the flesh, but a call to a good concise


dragonfly,
please excuse me for a second. I saw something in your reply that jump out at me. and please, i don't mean to go off topic. but it is good.

UNLESS a change of heart was effected in the child by its turning to the Lord in repentance and faith and adopting for itself, by its own choice, the controls of a new heart/mind.

this is just what John the baptist was to do to the children of Israel, turn their hearts and minds, Luke 1:17 "And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord".
this topic just confirm what we was talking about the two witness in another topic.
Glory to Jesus.


Thanks in the name of the Lord Jesus dragonfly

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2 afaithfulone4u, GINOLJC

When I said that the life is in the blood I am talking about of the life of the flesh. ok, I got you. thanks.

that make us sinners for in Adam all fall short because the day they disobeyed God is the day they spiritually died and from that point on they had the word and spirit of the their father the devil and we all inherited it.

again, I'm not saying that your right or wrong, but consider this. by Adam introduction of sin into the world. by him came DEATH. see you said it out of your mouth, listen to your own words, "all fall short because the day they disobeyed God", as I have said, sin came into the WORLD because of their disobedience. and DEATH was passed onto all that followed. sin was in the world, that's why Light came to take away the darkness/sin, (lack of knowledge). see darkness is void of knowledge, light is knowledge, and the wisdom of God give understanding. when we sin it is a lack of knowledge. that what happened to our first natural parents. a lack of knowledge, without wisdom, because she wanted to be "wise". when the devil said, "has God said", when one question the word of God, you're stepping into darkness. "you want surely die". eve never knew death. so the lie killed her. not physically dead, but spiritually. sister birth have nothing to do with our behavior, but our environment, the world. we learn. the old saying "he's. just like his daddy". question, how did he get that way?, learned behavior. example, if a baby was born in China, and was brought to say the US, and heard English, guess what, the baby, even BORN Chinese will speak English. we see this today. some children speak two or more languages because one parent speak, for example Spanish, and the other, French. bilingual, this is a learned behavior. you're not born to hate, you learn it. that's why we must, and have to BORN AGAIN, FROM ABOVE. for the almighty said my thoughts are not your thoughts, and my ways are not your way. our Lord said "LEARN OF ME". sin is a thought process. people thik of way to sin. our Lord said it best. if one lust after a woman you already sin. and when you carry out the thought then you have manifested the thought, called iniquity. sin is spiritual, iniquity is the carnal manifestation, or the work/act of the sin one thought about. so we need to change our thoughts. scripture, Romans 12:2 "And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God". THERE IT IS, "THE WORLD". sin was in the WORLD. but now LIGHT HAVE COME, TO CAST OUT DARKNESS. see we're born innocent. example, if we had a murder to occur in a room and there was two grown adults, and a baby in the room. the person who the police question is the adults. because the baby didn't do it. the baby is innocent. the police don't question the baby. now maybe 20 years later that same baby now grown, if that happen again, yes, then question him. the notion, what a lot of Christian use, quoting David "born in sin shaped in iniquity". there it is "shaped", shaped, is a learned behavior. one must learn how to kill. scripture, Romans 7:8 "But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead. 9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died. 10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death. 11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me". see sister when knowledge come, power comes, now its a test of YOUR WILL TO SIN OR NOT it's called "CHOICE", to sin or not to sin, that is the question. it what you do with that knowledge. 1 Corinthians 15:56 " The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law".
sin is a learned behavior
1 John 3:9 "Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
was not our Lord born?. was he without sin?. so that kills the birth sin thing.

Love and Peace
101G.
101G,
Of course I understand that sin is accomplished by being led of our flesh to fulfill the lusts thereof, and is a choice and that we must repent of our ways in order to come to Christ which I am sure that you must have heard me say in my posts. Yet we in our fallen flesh were under the curse of the sin of our father Adam because the flesh is the sinful thing and it is the spirit of a man that makes them either obedient to God or captive to the devil.
It is not the blood that I am saying makes us a child of God... It is the spirit that resides in the blood that dictates who's we are our bloodline.
Ever hear them say he is bad blood? Or his is of good blood? Well the life of the flesh is in the blood, meaning the spirit is the life.
The seed of the man forms the blood of the child not the mother.

The whole reason that The Seed which is The Word/Jesus needed to come is so that we could be considered righteous to receive the Spirit of God which is the Spirit of life as he is the Word of life that saves us. For without them, we in our fallen flesh animal nature could never be transformed by being born again of the Spirit.


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2 dragonfly GINOLJC

Can I point out again .... there is no blood in either sperm or ovum. The blood of the fetus is made in the fetus according to the instructions in the chromosomes which were in the sperm and the ovum - half from the mother and half from the father. (This is how some children are born female - they received an X chromosome from each parent, and some children are born male - they received an X from mother and Y from father.)

this is true, the mother or father have nothing to do with the blood of the child, even when the mother is carrying child. her blood don't even interact with the child blood.


our Lord "TOOK PART", he was NOT a partake of flesh and blood. big difference in TOOK PART and partaker.

Love and Peace
101G.

Rom 8:3
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
KJV


dragonfly said:
Lastly, the seed of the woman is the ovum. The seed of the father is the sperm. Both are incomplete without the other. The importance of the phrase 'seed of the woman' is that it refers to an ovum.

So, the very fact that Jesus Christ was born without sin and did no sin, proves - not that Mary was without sin, but - that sin is not passed down through flesh and blood. It is a spiritual affectation of the heart/mind, which affects how the desires of the flesh develop.

And... every person who has been brought up in a religious household will know, the moment the strictures of parental controls are removed, a new level of waywardness threatens to overwhelm the religious training the child received for so many years; UNLESS a change of heart was effected in the child by its turning to the Lord in repentance and faith and adopting for itself, by its own choice, the controls of a new heart/mind.

We must take note that it does not say he took part in sinful blood, it says sinful flesh for his flesh was from Mary but his father's seed where the bloodline comes through could not come through Joseph or he would have inherited the sinful nature as well of Adam. That is why it had to be of a virgin who knew no man. Jesus, the only begotten Son was of the Father of who's Spirit resided in Jesus' blood.

Rom 8:3
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
KJV


And why do we have a tendency to sin? Because Adam died to God's Spirit the day that he disobeyed God and now was removed from the tree of life which is Christ the Word of God and was now feeding upon the words of the devil as his god being led of his spirit and producing fruit of the carnal nature as God gave them their animal nature flesh once they were naked having lost their covering Holy Spirit. They now had flesh and blood children who also inherited the sinful flesh to accumulate more sinful ways who passed down all the sins of the fathers.

And only by the promised SEED OF GOD being The Son, His Word who became flesh can we now have the Spirit of God indwells us who teaches us how to live BY THE WORD/Christ. For our fleshly man can not hear nor understand the Word of God for they are carnal and hate to be washed in the living water to be cleanse and made holy. It is only by the Spirit that one can truly say Jesus is Lord, meaning that they can actually FOLLOW him to the saving of their soul.


dragonfly said:
Can I point out again .... there is no blood in either sperm or ovum. The blood of the fetus is made in the fetus according to the instructions in the chromosomes which were in the sperm and the ovum - half from the mother and half from the father. (This is how some children are born female - they received an X chromosome from each parent, and some children are born male - they received an X from mother and Y from father.)
I would like to ask you... so why couldn't Joseph have participated in the birth of Jesus then if the bloodline of a child does not come from the father's seed?
And the egg is of a woman not seed, the seed is of the man.


And why is the firstborn son so special and why are women not really mentioned much in the who's who's of the children, such as Jacob's 12 sons why does it not mention both parents. Why was it ok for Abraham to bore a child by Hagar and not his wife Sarai? And why are the 12 sons who are called the sons of Jacob by Jew and Gentile mothers if the bloodline is not through the father of the child?

And how is it that Cain and Abel who were twins were of two different fathers (spiritually of course) if the spirit of a man does not decide the bloodline because our spirit resides in our blood for the life of the flesh is in the blood according to God. Our spirit is our life for our spirit lives on.


To further prove the bloodline is according to the father's seed and our spirit and our life resides in the blood:
Gen 4:10-11
10 And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground.
11 And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother's blood from thy hand;
KJV
And now after the good and evil twins Abel and Cain who were bore just after the ate of the devils words taking on his spirit. We see that Adam was given a son to take the place of Abel whom the evil Cain killed and Seth was said to be in the likeness and image of Adam, not in God's which is holy, for in Adam all inherit the sinful flesh led by the devils spirit even when we try to do right, our flesh is weak and can be tempted. Only by God's Spirit can we be called a child of God.
Gen 5:3
3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:
KJV

All man kind has become as filthy rags, even when man is called righteous by God, it does not mean he has no sin in him, it just means he is acknowledging God and trying his best in his sinful flesh to do what is right.

In Christ we have been made righteous by the blood of the SEED of God who is the Word of God our Lord so that we are eligible to receive the Spirit of adoption who guides us to take away our sinful ways.
Our flesh is still there and it struggles with our spirit man who is our life and so we must resist the fleshly desires that are contrary to God's Spirit. If we are being led to do sinful things, KNOW that it is not by God's Spirit for He never changes and will not lead us astray so it means we are letting the flesh man who loves the the deeds of darkness over take us in the battlefield of our minds where our fight of faith takes place.
It is a spiritual fight that we must make a choice to do evil or good led by the father of lies, or the Spirit of God to do only good, it can not be mixed
 

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2 afaithfulone4u,

Of course I understand that sin is accomplished by being led of our flesh to fulfill the lusts thereof, and is a choice and that we must repent of our ways in order to come to Christ which I am sure that you must have heard me say in my posts. Yet we in our fallen flesh were under the curse of the sin of our father Adam because the flesh is the sinful thing and it is the spirit of a man that makes them either obedient

Sorry if I missed your post on that, I haven't read all of the post in detail. and yes sin is condemned in the flesh. Romans 8:3 "For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh".

because the flesh is the sinful thing and it is the spirit of a man that makes them either obedient.

TRUE, a4, to a point, that's why we need the HOLY SPIRIT to help us in our infirmities. we need some supernatural HELP. that why the church in the wilderness (Israel) was looking for the consolation of God, the messiah, the Christ. and that's why we have him today. some think that the church will be raptured out, before or during tribulation. not so...... why one think we have the Spirit?. to help us through tribulation. and at his coming he will separate the wheat from the tares, and the sheep from the goats.

Rom 8:3
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
BINGO, on point sister.

now that we are agreeing, know that the blood is not the connection to the throne for our Lord. what is his connection to the throne of David is BIRTHRIGHT, because he said, Psalms 132:11 "The LORD hath sworn in truth unto David; he will not turn from it; Of the fruit of thy body will I set upon thy throne". the fruit of David body was Mary. and because our Lord was born by Mary he have all the rights to the throne. our Lord ask, "What think ye of Christ? whose son is he?", they said "son of David, he said, " How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?". this is a Good question, and it is answered in Revelation chapter 5. so if you will, we need to look at Christ according to the spirit, and not the flesh. his blood was the ransom which brought PEACE between God and us. this we need to study, if its alright with you.

Love and Peace
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2 afaithfulone4u,
We must take note that it does not say he took part in sinful blood, it says sinful flesh for his flesh was from Mary.

sorry a4 his flesh was not from Mary either. we see that Jesus/God/Father/Spirit have a body to express himself in, Hebrews 1:14 "Forasmuch then as the children are partaker of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil". the partaker of flesh and blood?. first one have to understand the words, "Partaker", and "took part". if you will notice the human children was partaker of flesh and blood. but when speaking of Christ, it said that he, "took part". which is different. the Greek word for partaker is, G2841 κοινωνέω koinoneo, "to have a share of, to share with, take part in", or to fully share. as unto Adam, his nature of flesh and blood. but when we come to Christ, "took part of the same", not fully, which is the word, G3348 μετέχω metecho, only a part. Question what part did he take and what part he didn't take. observingly, he was in the likness of flesh, nor man's blood. Jesus flesh was made just like Adam flesh, but without a biological father, or a biological Mother. John 8:23 "And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world. 1 Corinthians 15:47 "The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven". our Lord Jesus flesh had nothing to do with this earth at all. John 1:13 "Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. scripture is plain.

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2 afaithfulone4u,

Of course I understand that sin is accomplished by being led of our flesh to fulfill the lusts thereof, and is a choice and that we must repent of our ways in order to come to Christ which I am sure that you must have heard me say in my posts. Yet we in our fallen flesh were under the curse of the sin of our father Adam because the flesh is the sinful thing and it is the spirit of a man that makes them either obedient

Sorry if I missed your post on that, I haven't read all of the post in detail. and yes sin is condemned in the flesh. Romans 8:3 "For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh".

because the flesh is the sinful thing and it is the spirit of a man that makes them either obedient.

TRUE, a4, to a point, that's why we need the HOLY SPIRIT to help us in our infirmities. we need some supernatural HELP. that why the church in the wilderness (Israel) was looking for the consolation of God, the messiah, the Christ. and that's why we have him today. some think that the church will be raptured out, before or during tribulation. not so...... why one think we have the Spirit?. to help us through tribulation. and at his coming he will separate the wheat from the tares, and the sheep from the goats.

Rom 8:3
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
BINGO, on point sister.

now that we are agreeing, know that the blood is not the connection to the throne for our Lord. what is his connection to the throne of David is BIRTHRIGHT, because he said, Psalms 132:11 "The LORD hath sworn in truth unto David; he will not turn from it; Of the fruit of thy body will I set upon thy throne". the fruit of David body was Mary. and because our Lord was born by Mary he have all the rights to the throne. our Lord ask, "What think ye of Christ? whose son is he?", they said "son of David, he said, " How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?". this is a Good question, and it is answered in Revelation chapter 5. so if you will, we need to look at Christ according to the spirit, and not the flesh. his blood was the ransom which brought PEACE between God and us. this we need to study, if its alright with you.

Love and Peace
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2 afaithfulone4u,
We must take note that it does not say he took part in sinful blood, it says sinful flesh for his flesh was from Mary.

sorry a4 his flesh was not from Mary either. we see that Jesus/God/Father/Spirit have a body to express himself in, Hebrews 1:14 "Forasmuch then as the children are partaker of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil". the partaker of flesh and blood?. first one have to understand the words, "Partaker", and "took part". if you will notice the human children was partaker of flesh and blood. but when speaking of Christ, it said that he, "took part". which is different. the Greek word for partaker is, G2841 κοινωνέω koinoneo, "to have a share of, to share with, take part in", or to fully share. as unto Adam, his nature of flesh and blood. but when we come to Christ, "took part of the same", not fully, which is the word, G3348 μετέχω metecho, only a part. Question what part did he take and what part he didn't take. observingly, he was in the likness of flesh, nor man's blood. Jesus flesh was made just like Adam flesh, but without a biological father, or a biological Mother. John 8:23 "And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world. 1 Corinthians 15:47 "The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven". our Lord Jesus flesh had nothing to do with this earth at all. John 1:13 "Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. scripture is plain.

Love and Peace
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101G,
Maybe you missed this response I gave you earlier:

Is said:
And if you will put all of the scripture in to the one you gave, you will see that this is not talking about Jesus not having blood, but the spiritual children of the rebirth will not be of blood for flesh and blood can not inherit the kingdom of God not see it.
John 1:11-14
11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
KJV

Please read it again, for it is not saying that Jesus was not made of flesh and blood because he was and that is why we look to his sacrificial BLOOD....

This is saying that WE are being not reborn of the flesh and blood but by will of God through His Word who is the Door and the Spirit.
 

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Hi afaithfulone,

We must take note that it does not say he took part in sinful blood, it says sinful flesh for his flesh was from Mary but his father's seed where the bloodline comes through could not come through Joseph or he would have inherited the sinful nature as well of Adam. That is why it had to be of a virgin who knew no man. Jesus, the only begotten Son was of the Father of who's Spirit resided in Jesus' blood.
It doesn't say He had sinful flesh. It says He came 'in the likeness of sinful flesh'. We cannot be exactly sure what that means, except that before Adam sinned, he did not have 'sinful flesh'. We might guess that sinless flesh is something like Jesus' resurrection body, but we cannot be sure.

the egg is of a woman not seed,
This is another myth. The egg of a woman is as much seed as the sperm. Neither of them is complete without the other. Nevertheless, a seed (as of the word), which is likened to something planted to produce a new creation, is already complete, having been fertilised during its formatio.

The reason I posted in this thread was to bring some facts to the discussion.

The blood of ordinary people is not what determines their inheritance. In scripture the father is the one who divides his estate to his children, as we see in the parable of the prodigal son. The elder son would have received twice as much as the younger, because there were duties upon the firstborn - or the father of the house, to do with caring for orphans, widows and strangers, as well as providing shelter and food for any other needy members of his family. This obligation is continued upon the Christians in any family.

1 Timothy 5:8 But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.

For this reason, sons were important, not that daughters were unimportant. In the case of a family where the only children were female, Moses agreed that they should inherit their father's estate, just as if they had been males.

The prophecy that a descendant of David would sit on his throne, of whose kingdom there would be no end, was fulfilled through both Mary and Joseph, as each were descended from David - although it is possible that Joseph had been adopted, and was not a blood descendant. That would still have given him right to the throne of David just as if he had been a natural son. In the same way, Joseph adopted Jesus - naturally speaking - and performed the duties of a natural father to Him. Everyone who knew them thought of Jesus as 'the son of Joseph and Mary'.

Spiritually speaking, His blood was of eternal significance. It is the blood of the everlasting covenant; always of a lamb that has just been slain.


We must take note that it does not say he took part in sinful blood, it says sinful flesh for his flesh was from Mary.

sorry a4 his flesh was not from Mary either. we see that Jesus/God/Father/Spirit have a body to express himself in, Hebrews 1:14"Forasmuch then as the children are partaker of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil". the partaker of flesh and blood?. first one have to understand the words, "Partaker", and "took part". if you will notice the human children was partaker of flesh and blood. but when speaking of Christ, it said that he, "took part". which is different. the Greek word for partaker is, G2841 κοινωνέω koinoneo, "to have a share of, to share with, take part in", or to fully share. as unto Adam, his nature of flesh and blood. but when we come to Christ, "took part of the same", not fully, which is the word, G3348 μετέχω metecho, only a part. Question what part did he take and what part he didn't take. observingly, he was in the likness of flesh, nor man's blood. Jesus flesh was made just like Adam flesh, but without a biological father, or a biological Mother. John 8:23 "And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world. 1 Corinthians 15:47 "The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven". our Lord Jesus flesh had nothing to do with this earth at all. John 1:13 "Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. scripture is plain.
101G, thanks for this. I have never thought of John 8:23 as helping to define Jesus' flesh.

But, unless He was potentially subject to sin, and yet did not sin, God may not have considered him human enough to be sacrificed for us.