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the Jews or was it not for the body of Christ which are Jew and Gentile in the one new man? Passover, Unleavened Bread and First Fruits and then Pentecost.
And if it was the body of Christ who received what the feast's represent that the Jews rehearsed for centuries, then how is it that we don't understand that the Fall Feasts will also be for the body of Christ as new spiritual Israel?


This may be not so surprising, but what I am asking is if the Jews are the ones rehearsing for them to come to pass for them, then where is the fulfillment for them if they don't need to receive Jesus if all the fulfillment of them is for those in Christ after all these centuries?

And if the Jews after Christ's ministry are separate from the body of Christ, then why are there Jews in the body of Christ and the apostles are Jews why would they loose their status? The fact is they don't because the the body of Christ are restored Israel for those who are still of the carnal nature can not inherit the kingdom of God for you must be born again.

These are the 7,000 OT saints who are devout Jews and will be saved by grace and they are alive to this day for they came out of their graves as first fruits when Jesus was resurrected according to Matt.
1 Kings 19:18
18 Yet I have left me seven thousand in Israel, all the knees which have not bowed unto Baal, and every mouth which hath not kissed him.
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Rom 11:1-5
11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,
3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
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They have to be the same 7,000 OT souls at this present time, for Jesus said you must be born again from that point on.
 

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the Jews or was it not for the body of Christ which are Jew and
Gentile in the one new man? Passover, Unleavened Bread and First Fruits
and then Pentecost.

And if it was the body of Christ who received what the feast's
represent that the Jews rehearsed for centuries, then how is it that we
don't understand that the Fall Feasts will also be for the body of
Christ as new spiritual Israel?
Good point (I added emphasis to your question). This is what I'm always asking when I stress the importance of the feast days, which we ought to be keeping.

You have some good shadows, e.g. regarding the 7000. Now, while not all Israel is now saved, I do believe that Yahweh will give them their chance yet in the future. Only some are saved now (the firstfruits) as depicted by the feast, to rule and reign with Yeshua. In the Millennium, and even afterwards in the Great White Throne Judgement (i.e. Tabernacles and Last Great Day) far more will be saved in a latter harvest.

These autumn feasts are yet future, as nothing of the sort happened to them yet. Keeping them would give Christians a proper perspective from these feasts, which are Yahweh's plan of redemption for all of mankind, instead of holidays such as Christmas and Easter and Lent which are not biblical (Galatians 4:10), nor do they impart any knowledge whatsoever.
 

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tim_from_pa said:
Good point (I added emphasis to your question). This is what I'm always asking when I stress the importance of the feast days, which we ought to be keeping.

You have some good shadows, e.g. regarding the 7000. Now, while not all Israel is now saved, I do believe that Yahweh will give them their chance yet in the future. Only some are saved now (the firstfruits) as depicted by the feast, to rule and reign with Yeshua. In the Millennium, and even afterwards in the Great White Throne Judgement (i.e. Tabernacles and Last Great Day) far more will be saved in a latter harvest.

These autumn feasts are yet future, as nothing of the sort happened to them yet. Keeping them would give Christians a proper perspective from these feasts, which are Yahweh's plan of redemption for all of mankind, instead of holidays such as Christmas and Easter and Lent which are not biblical (Galatians 4:10), nor do they impart any knowledge whatsoever.
Thank you for your response Tim_from_pa,

If you read the description of Ez.37 the dry bones coming out of their graves in a rattle shake(earthquake) and the spirit of God being put in them and you compare it to those OT saints who came out of their graves after Jesus' resurrection which is when the Spirit was again available because the debt to loose them from the grave of death had just been paid, we should see that they are the whole house of OT Israel.
Jesus did not tell us to celebrate his flesh birth, he told us to remember his death which is Passover. If we were to celebrate his carnal birth of sinful flesh, then the day of his birth would have been made clear. However Jesus was born on the Feast of Tabernacles that is why there was no place in the Inn for them to stay all of the rooms had been taken. Tabernacles is when God dwells with man and when The Word became flesh and dwelt among us, he was called our Emmanuel being God with us. However we are called the body of Christ and just as Jesus is the temple of God, so are those who are being built up as the living stones IN Christ as the temple where God dwells.
So the spiritual body of Christ which will be a holy nation restored Israel of Jew and Gentile mother's yet one Father/God, will also be birthed to our mother heavenly Jerusalem that is being restored as we grow in Christ (the head)on the Feast of Tabernacles as their earthly frail man made tents(our carnal nature) will be torn down to raise them up in the twinkling of an eye being caught up to God's throne Rev.12:5 to receive their heavenly tabernacle/body of incorruption. That will be the fulfillment of the mystery of God.. He is birthing some new sons come harvest time of this earths age.
Jesus is the Bread of life, he is the Word of God on which we in our carnal dog eat dog nature must feed upon to return to our image of God we were made in at the beginning before the fall of man. That is why Jesus was placed in the animal trough for his body is real food that transforms us when we understand that:

Matt 4:4
4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
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I would not say that we are to return to celebrate all of the Feasts, for they are and will be fulfilled in Christ and yes the blinders are coming off of the Jews but they all must come to Christ. Only the 7,000 OT saints who were not alive at Jesus' day, but they knew of it and awaited it. However Tabernacles is a Feast that we are to keep even for forever. Passover we are told to remember Jesus' death for now until he comes.
John 8:52-58
52 Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death.
53 Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself?
54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:
55 Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying.
56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
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Zech 14:16-20
16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
20 In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD; and the pots in the LORD's house shall be like the bowl's before the altar.
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tim_from_pa said:
Good point (I added emphasis to your question). This is what I'm always asking when I stress the importance of the feast days, which we ought to be keeping.

But those who are in Christ DO keep the feasts, not according to the oldness of the letter, but according to the newness of the spirit. Which means they are no longer outward ritual observances, but are now inner spiritual realities.

And that includes the fall feasts, which have also been fulfilled. Consider: the single most important of all the feasts was Yom Kippur, the Day of Atonement, the one day of the year when the High Priest entered into the presence of God in the Holiest with the blood of the bull and the goat which he sprinkled to atone for sin. If Jesus has not fulfilled that feast, if he as our great and High Priest has not entered into the presence of God and offered his blood to atone for sin, then we are not saved, we are still dead in our sins and trespasses.

Jesus fulfilled all the Law, every jot and tittle, including all the feasts, and after every jot and tittle was fulfilled the Law passed away.

The question is do we understand the spiritual blessings we enjoy through faith in Christ and comprehend how they were foreshadowed by the feasts?

In Christ,
Pilgrimer
 

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tim_from_pa said:
Good point (I added emphasis to your question). This is what I'm always asking when I stress the importance of the feast days, which we ought to be keeping.



These autumn feasts are yet future, as nothing of the sort happened to them yet. Keeping them would give Christians a proper perspective from these feasts, which are Yahweh's plan of redemption for all of mankind, instead of holidays such as Christmas and Easter and Lent which are not biblical (Galatians 4:10), nor do they impart any knowledge whatsoever.
I agree. I wish the Church would keep the Feasts because they have so much to teach. Our faith is so anemic compared to the richness it could have. God did not raise up a people to give them feasts just for themselves. They are to be a lesson for everyone to help us understand the mysteries behind events and how they relate to each other.

There is no reason not to celebrate the Crucifixion on Passover, Resurrection on Firstfruits and the giving of the Holy Spirit on Pentecost. We would be celebrating them as Christians in their fulfillment, not as Jews, but their traditions and understanding can't help but enrich our faith. The celebration of the Fall Feasts would still have to be in anticipation but still done as Christians (not Jews) knowing how the Spring Feasts were fulfilled.


afaithfulone4u said:
Jesus did not tell us to celebrate his flesh birth, he told us to remember his death which is Passover. If we were to celebrate his carnal birth of sinful flesh, then the day of his birth would have been made clear. .
I do believe it was made clear, but because we are so far from our Jewish roots, we totally missed it. I do not believe Jesus was born in the fall on the Feast of Tabernacles but in the spring on the Feast of Unleavened Bread. He is the Bread of Life, he was born without the leaven of sin. It is an 8 day feast with special celebration on the first and eighth day. The only event in Jesus' life that was 8 days long was the time between his birth and his circumcision. He was without sin at his birth, 8 days later he was circumcised and given the name Jesus by Joseph who at that point claimed him as his child. For 8 days Jesus was the sinless Son of God, on the 8 day he began to become "sin" for us as the Son of Man. In the person of Joseph all of mankind received the gift - a Son is given to us (Isaiah 9:6).