Yeshua Says

daq · Jun 15, 2013

Purity said:
I perceive you are spiritualising Gen 1:11-13 in some way, which is fine, although the way is not all that clear. You agree the Master was completely dead for three days and ceased to exist in any form.

Your reference to Gen 1:11-13 and the third day is of interest. We know the number three is figurative of the resurrection or completion but I perceive you are inferring more.

Maybe its figurative of the earth being a symbol of the human heart; capable of being sown with good seed, and bringing forth abundantly; or of producing thorns and thistles as per Matt. 13:3-9, 19-23 & Heb. 6:7).

We shall see.

Purity

As for myself I take the following statement as Rock Solid Law:

John 12:23-24 KJV
23. And Jesus answered them, saying, The hour is come, that the Son of man should be glorified.
24. Verily, [1] verily, [2] I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.

Likewise other passages quoted in Reply #10 above:

"Yeshua says: The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field: which indeed is the least of all seeds: but when it is grown, it is the greatest among the herbs, and becomes a tree, so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches thereof. And again he said, Whereunto shall we liken the kingdom of God? or with what comparison shall we compare it? It is like a grain of mustard seed, which, when it is sown in the earth, is less than all the seeds that be in the earth: but when it is sown, it grows up, and becomes greater than all herbs, and shoots out great branches; so that the fowls of the air may lodge under the shadow of it."

Therefore it is not possible to have "a third day" wherein the earth brings forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, UNLESS THE KERNEL FIRST DIED, (bara'-cut down from Genesis 1:1 also from Reply #10). How else can one perceive it then except that in the beginning the Son was cut down and all things were created through him by the Father? However this "cutting down", (bara' like the felling of a tree) was according to Spirit and not according to the flesh; yet as men, according to the natural world, it is the earthy and earthly which came first; then came the spiritual even according to Paul. So the spiritual cutting down of the Son of God in the beginning resulted in the natural physical world coming forth and bursting forth with Life, even the Life of the risen Son of God. If therefore the supernal and spiritual "cutting down" of the Son of God in the very beginning resulted in the creation of all the known physical living world then what did his physical death of the flesh-body bring at the Cross but spirit-soul resurrection to the rest of his brethren which are not of the flesh but of the Spirit? Therefore we must be "translated" from soul to Spirit in Messiah who is in the Father.

Purity · Jun 15, 2013

daq said:
If therefore the supernal and spiritual "cutting down" of the Son of God in the very beginning resulted in the creation of all the known physical living world then what did his physical death of the flesh-body bring at the Cross but spirit-soul resurrection to the rest of his brethren which are not of the flesh but of the Spirit? Therefore we must be "translated" from soul to Spirit in Messiah who is in the Father.

The cutting down was in the Mind of the Father alone from the beginning. Christ is the first fruits of them that sleep and as such was always a Son of Promise. Now one who is promised cannot pre-exist for it could no longer be of promise, but something else.

Here Luke 1:35 he was given life both naturally and spiritually and here John 19:30 his death but here Acts 2:24 he is given immortality and life eternal having for us and himself gained eternal redemption Heb 9:12.

Now you used the word "translated", to my knowledge (and I can be corrected

) this word "translated" is not used concerning the Master? Nor is it used in relation to his nature, whether Spirit or otherwise.

We both know Jesus was made right by the Spirit 1 Tim 3:16 and without such justification by the Spirit of God he would not have life within himself. He is Yahweh spiritual creation Gen 1:1 cmp John 1:1.

The Lord Jesus Christ was first the Son of Man; Son of David; Son of Abraham...The Son of Promise before he became (in Spirit Bodily) the Son of God.

John 1:18
John 1:51
John 3:13
John 5:27
John 6:27
John 6:53
John 6:62
John 8:28
John 12:23
John 13:31

And so on....

Thus it is written, "The first man Adam became a living being"; the last Adam became a life-giving spirit. (1Co 15:45ESV) (1Co 15:45NET)

daq · Jun 15, 2013

Purity said:
Christ is the first fruits of them that sleep and as such was always a Son of Promise. Now one who is promised cannot pre-exist for it could no longer be of promise, but something else.

I do not wish to discuss the pre-existence of Messiah in this thread.
You know I believe the Word pre-existed and I know you do not.

Purity · Jun 15, 2013

daq said:
I do not wish to discuss the pre-existence of Messiah in this thread.
You know I believe the Word pre-existed and I know you do not.

Very well.

Your second point is incorrect - I also believe the Word pre -existed.

daq said:
Yeshua says: Behold, my mother and my brethren!

Yeshua says: Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division: For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three. The father shall be divided over the son, and the son over the father; the mother over the daughter, and the daughter over the mother; the mother in law over her daughter in law, and the daughter in law over her mother in law, (Lukas 12:51-53).

Yeshua says: There shall be five in one house diamerizo! cloven! parted! divided!

Greetings Daq,

Do you think that I have come to give peace on earth? No, I tell you, but rather division. (Luk 12:51KJV)

He "was" sent to "send peace on earth" and was born for this purpose Luke 2:14. But meanwhile the reception of his peace will bring tribulation John 14:27; 16:33...but “Rather Division”

“I will put enmity” - three times John says….”there was a division because of him” John 7:43; 9:16; 10:19

Even in his own household.

daq · Jun 15, 2013

Did I misunderstand you? (sorry if I did).

Yeshua is the Word according to the Scripture.
Do you believe Yeshua pre-existed or not? It is not something I desire to debate herein.

Purity · Jun 15, 2013

daq said:
Did I misunderstand you? (sorry if I did).
Yeshua is the Word according to the Scripture.
Do you believe Yeshua pre-existed or not? It is not something I desire to debate herein.

Lets leave it for another thread shall we? It's difficult when two believers are communicating from different theological positions.

Daq, have you ever considered how the number was uneven (5), un-equal division?

Did you see the Lord was quoting from Micah 7:5-6 and for context see Micah 7:1,4

daq · Jun 15, 2013

Purity said:
Lets leave it for another thread shall we? It's difficult when two believers are communicating from different theological positions.

Daq, have you ever considered how the number was uneven (5), un-equal division?

Did you see the Lord was quoting from Micah 7:5-6 and for context see Micah 7:1,4

Now we are back on-topic.

Remember this following statement? View it in addition to the first three posts in this thread because it speaks the same things:

daq said:
Deuteronomy 13:6-11 KJV
6. If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers;
7. Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth;
8. Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him:
9. But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.
10. And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the Lord thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.
11. And all Israel shall hear, and fear, and shall do no more any such wickedness as this is among you.

Supernal things; for the enemies of the man are those of his own household, Micah 7:5-6, Matthew 10:35-36.

Every man is a house. Therefore how many fingers do you have on the right hand? How many on the left? What about the feet? How many toes on the right foot? How many toes on the left foot?

Five cloven-divided are the "TEN VIRGINS" of the House . . .

1 Kings 7:48-51 KJV
48. And Solomon made all the vessels that pertained unto the house of the Lord: the altar of gold, and the table of gold, whereupon the shewbread was,
49. And the candlesticks of pure gold, five on the right side, and five on the left, before the oracle, with the flowers, and the lamps, and the tongs of gold,
50. And the bowls, and the snuffers, and the basons, and the spoons, and the censers of pure gold; and the hinges of gold, both for the doors of the inner house, the most holy place, and for the doors of the house, to wit, of the temple.
51. So was ended all the work that king Solomon made for the house of the Lord. And Solomon brought in the things which David his father had dedicated; even the silver, and the gold, and the vessels, did he put among the treasures of the house of the Lord.

Purity · Jun 16, 2013

daq said:
Now we are back on-topic.
Remember this following statement? View it in addition to the first three posts in this thread because it speaks the same things:

Every man is a house. Therefore how many fingers do you have on the right hand? How many on the left? What about the feet? How many toes on the right foot? How many toes on the left foot?

Five cloven-divided are the "TEN VIRGINS" of the House . . .

Greetings Daq

Would you see the spiritual echoes extending to the parable of the 10 pounds in Luke 19:11-17?

Also have you considered the number ten in Gen 31:41 and Lev 26:26? Did you know a Jewish Synagogue could be formed with no less than 10 people.

In regards to the “Five wise” - “phronimos” = “thoughtful”, “discreet”. Practical application of wisdom
“Five foolish” - “moros” = “dull”, “stupid”

How do the 5 wise and 5 foolish relate to the candlesticks?

Purity

daq · Jun 16, 2013

Well, lets say you have one hand and one foot that offend you; and so you heed the doctrine of the Master and cut them off, casting them from you. What do you have left but ten little tribes? Perhaps in this manner shall the all Yisrael of God be saved, (each in his or her appointed times). And as for the other two tribes; "He is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: but he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit", for circumcision is of the heart of Levi.

But beware, for those ten horn evil lefty-goat kings are crafty, and they mix in with the righties, and if one does not even realize that some of them may already be present then how can he possibly be offended? They rise up in the man secretly unawares while he feasts upon the Word and eventually spring upon him without warning; like a snare that comes upon all the whole habitable world, (each in his appointed times). And when the fullness of the Heathen have entered into the man: "Then shall come forth the Deliverer out of Zion, and shall turn away ungodliness from Yacob; for this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins", yea, in this manner shall all Yisrael be saved.

Not to re-reverse the subject but simply to tie up a "loose end" on my part ~

daq said:
In what manner is it written of the Son of man? Was Yeshua to be cut off to utter nothingness? To be cut off and not be? To not exist if even temporarily? To be cut off and have nothing to-for-of himself? To be brought to utter nothingness? Paulos writes in 1 Corinthians 12:3 that "No one speaking by the Spirit of God says; "Yeshua Anathema", which is to say that Yeshua was "cut off" or "excommunicated" even if for an instant or moment.

Mark 9:12-13
12. And he said unto them, "Elias verily comes first restoring all things. And how is it written concerning the Son of man? that he should suffer many things and be set to utter nothingness?
13. Contrariwise, I say unto you, that also Elias has come; and they have done unto him whatsoever they desired, as it is written concerning him." (Re: Daniel 9:26)

Luke 1:13-17 ASV
13. But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: because thy supplication is heard, and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John.
14. And thou shalt have joy and gladness; and many shall rejoice at his birth.
15. For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and he shall drink no wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Spirit, [a mashiyach anointed one] even from his mother's womb.
16. And many of the children of Israel shall be turn unto the Lord their God.
17. And he shall go before his face in the spirit and power of Elijah, [mashiyach-anointing of Eliyahu] to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to walk in the wisdom of the just; to make ready for the Lord a people prepared for him.

Daniel 9:24-26 TUA - Transliteration
24. Seventy weeks-generations are decreed upon thy people and upon thy holy city: to finish the transgression; and to make an end of sins; and to atone for iniquity; and to bring in righteousness everlasting; and for the closing of the vision and prophecy; and for to anoint holy holies.
25. Know therefore and understand: From the going forth of the Word, for the return and the building of Jerusalem; unto-until a mashiyach, [Yochanan the Immerser ha-Qowre' Eliyahu] a nagiyd, [Yeshua Nagiyd of the Brit-Covenant] shall be seven weeks-generations. And sixty and two weeks-generations shall return-repent; and the broad place shall be built, and the tough digging, even in the troubles of the times.
26. And after the weeks-generations sixty and two shall mashiyach [Yochanan ha-Qowre'] be cut off, and there is nothing to-for him. And the city and the qodesh-holy-sanctuary shall be corrupted: the people of the Nagiyd to come; and his end [Yeshua Nagiyd of the Brit-Covenant] is in a flood, [Daniel 11:22] and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
27. And he [Yeshua Nagiyd] shall strengthen-confirm the Covenant for the many week one ['echad - the first and only shabuwa` literal week]. And in the midst of the week he shall cause to cease the sacrifice and oblation. And for the overspreading of abominations it shall be desolated; even unto the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Was it Yeshua haNagiyd Commander of the Covenant that was cut off and set to nought-nothingness?
Says Yeshua Moshiya: Contrariwise, it was Yochanan ha-Qowre' mashiyach-anointed Eliyahu!
Yeshua Nagiyd Brit was Crucified but of those given to him of the Father he lost none . . .

HaNagiyd-Commander of the Brit-Covenant - Daniel 9:24-27 - Daniel 11:22

Original Strong's Ref. # 5057
Romanized nagiyd
Pronounced naw-gheed'
or nagid {naw-gheed'}; from HSN5046; a commander (as occupying the front), civil, military or religious; generally (abstractly, plural), honorable themes:
KJV--captain, chief, excellent thing, (chief) governor, leader, noble, prince, (chief) ruler.

Lukas 17:12-13
12. And as he entered into a certain village, there met him ten men that were lepers, which stood afar off:
13. And they lifted up their voices, and said, Yeshua, Epistata, have mercy on us!

Original Strong's Ref. #1988
Romanized epistates
Pronounced ep-is-tat'-ace
from GSN1909 and a presumed derivative of GSN2476;
an appointee over, i.e. commander (teacher):
KJV--master.

Original Strong's Ref. # 2476
Romanized histemi
Pronounced his'-tay-mee
a prolonged form of a primary stao {stah'-o} (of the same meaning, and used for it in certain tenses); to stand (transitively or intransitively), used in various applications (literally or figuratively):
KJV--abide, appoint, bring, continue, covenant, establish, hold up, lay, present, set (up), stanch, stand (by, forth, still, up). Compare GSN5087.

Lukas 17:13 ~ Yeshua, Covenant Commander! show mercy on us!

Luke 17:14
14. And when he saw them, he said unto them, Go show yourselves unto the priests. And it came to pass, that, as they went, they were cleansed.

Matthew 23:8-10 KJV (AV - Textus Receptus)
8. But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.
9. And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
10. Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.

Matthew 23:8-10 ASV (GNT Morph Text)
8. But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your teacher, and all ye are brethren.
9. And call no man your father on the earth: for one is your Father, even he who is in heaven.
10. Neither be ye called masters: for one is your master, even the Christ.

Mattityahu 23:8-10 TUA (Transliterated GNT Morph Text)
8. Humeis de me klethete, Rabbi, heis gar estin humon ho Didaskalos, pantes dehumeis adelfoi este.
9. Kai Patera me kalesete humon epi tes ges, heis gar estin humon ho Pater ho ouranios.
10. Mede klethete kathegetai, hoti Kathegetes humon estin heis, ho Christos.

Original Strong's Ref. #4461
Romanized rhabbi
Pronounced hrab-bee'
of Hebrew origin [HSN7227 with pronominal suffix); my master, i.e Rabbi, as an official title of honor:
KJV--Master, Rabbi.

Original Strong's Ref. # 1320
Romanized didaskalos
Pronounced did-as'-kal-os
from GSN1321; an instructor (genitive case or specially):
KJV--doctor, master, teacher.

Original Strong's Ref. #2519
Romanized kathegetes
Pronounced kath-ayg-ay-tace'
from a compound of GSN2596 and GSN2233; a guide, i.e. (figuratively) a teacher:
KJV--master.

Original Strong's Ref. #2232
Romanized hegemon
Pronounced hayg-em-ohn'
from GSN2233; a leader, i.e. chief person (or figuratively, place) of a province:
KJV--governor, prince, ruler.

Original Strong's Ref. #2233
Romanized hegeomai
Pronounced hayg-eh'-om-ahee
middle voice of a (presumed) strengthened form of GSN0071; to lead, i.e. command (with official authority); figuratively, to deem, i.e. consider:
KJV--account, (be) chief, count, esteem, governor, judge, have the rule over, suppose, think.

Yeshua says: You however do not be called Rabbi-Teacher; for there is one Didaskalos-Teacher of you, but all of you are brethren. And Father do not be called upon the earth; for one there is of you, the Father the heavenly. Neither be you called a kath-hegeomai-ruler-nagiyd-commander; for one Hegemon-Nagiyd-Ruler-Commander there is of you: the Moshiya-Christos!

Purity · Jun 17, 2013

daq said:
Well, lets say you have one hand and one foot that offend you; and so you heed the doctrine of the Master and cut them off, casting them from you. What do you have left but ten little tribes? Perhaps in this manner shall the all Yisrael of God be saved, (each in his or her appointed times). And as for the other two tribes; "He is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: but he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit", for circumcision is of the heart of Levi. But beware, for those ten horn evil lefty-goat kings are crafty, and they mix in with the righties, and if one does not even realize that some of them may already be present then how can he possibly be offended? They rise up in the man secretly unawares while he feasts upon the Word and eventually spring upon him without warning; like a snare that comes upon all the whole habitable world, (each in his appointed times). And when the fullness of the Heathen have entered into the man: "Then shall come forth the Deliverer out of Zion, and shall turn away ungodliness from Yacob; for this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins", yea, in this manner shall all Yisrael be saved.

So taking the 10 fingers and 10 toes and cutting away 10, or 5 of each as you suggest (or 5 wise and 5 foolish) you are left with 10 righteous candlesticks representing what? 5 Jew and 5 Gentile? or something else?

Then you spoke about the 10 Kings where you lost me. Are you speaking to the 10 tens of the Nebuchadnezzar's image?

daq · Jun 17, 2013

Purity said:
So taking the 10 fingers and 10 toes and cutting away 10, or 5 of each as you suggest (or 5 wise and 5 foolish) you are left with 10 righteous candlesticks representing what? 5 Jew and 5 Gentile? or something else?

Then you spoke about the 10 Kings where you lost me. Are you speaking to the 10 tens of the Nebuchadnezzar's image?

It speaks of all those things and more but of course these things are supernal and not physical.
The following is all taken from the same continuous passage:

Matthew 24:35 KJV - Matthew 25:1 KJV
35. Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
36. But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
37. But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39. And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
40. Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
41. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
42. Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
43. But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
44. Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
45. Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?
46. Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
47. Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.
48. But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;
49. And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;
50. The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,
51. And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
1. Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.

Matthew 25:31-34 KJV
31. When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32. And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33. And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34. Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

Matthew 25:41-46 KJV
41. Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
42. For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43. I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44. Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45. Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
46. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Understand that the Kingdom of God is within us. Therefore each and every one of us has both the wheat and the tares in his dominion, earth, lands, city, and house. Every one of us has "members" of his own household, (for the man is the house). Some of those members are "evil" and have been given to dwell in the flesh, (wherein dwells no good thing for the flesh profits nothing in the doctrine of Yeshua). Therefore cut off the Cainites from your midst. Part your soul asunder, divide it in twain parts, soul for soul, eye for eye, hand for hand, foot for foot, and let the tares be cast into the eternal fire when Messiah returns. And as for ourselves, Yeshua says: Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season? Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods. Therefore when the Master returns we have the assurance of this Word that he will separate the sheep from the goats and set the sheep to his right and the goats to his left, (for now they are growing up together as tares mixed in with the wheat in our midst). The statement quoted above from Matthew 24:45 is found in only one other Gospel account and therefore concerns the Parable of Ten Virgins with their vessels and their lamps:

Luke 12:25-42 KJV
25. And which of you with taking thought can add to his stature one cubit?

26. If ye then be not able to do that thing which is least, why take ye thought for the rest?
27. Consider the lilies how they grow: they toil not, they spin not; and yet I say unto you, that Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.
28. If then God so clothe the grass, which is to day in the field, and to morrow is cast into the oven; how much more will he clothe you, O ye of little faith?
29. And seek not ye what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink, neither be ye of doubtful mind.
30. For all these things do the nations of the world seek after: and your Father knoweth that ye have need of these things.
31. But rather seek ye the kingdom of God; and all these things shall be added unto you.
32. Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom.
33. Sell that ye have, and give alms; provide yourselves bags which wax not old, a treasure in the heavens that faileth not, where no thief approacheth, neither moth corrupteth.
34. For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
35. Let your loins be girded about, and your lights burning; (Parable of the Ten Virgins)
36. And ye yourselves like unto men that wait for their lord, when he will return from the wedding; that when he cometh and knocketh, they may open unto him immediately. (Laodicea - Revelation 3:20)
37. Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them.
38. And if he shall come in the second watch, or come in the third watch, and find them so, blessed are those servants.
39. And this know, that if the goodman of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched, and not have suffered his house to be broken through.
40. Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.
41. Then Peter said unto him, Lord, speakest thou this parable unto us, or even to all?
42. And the Lord said, Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season?

Therefore let each man take up his own cross and the two sticks become one in the hand of the Shepherd ~

For heart is the throne of David in the Kingdom of God and Yeshua is he that searches the reins and hearts!

Purity · Jun 17, 2013

daq said:
It speaks of all those things and more but of course these things are supernal and not physical.
The following is all taken from the same continuous passage:

Matthew 24:35 KJV - Matthew 25:1 KJV
35. Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
36. But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
37. But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39. And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
40. Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
41. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
42. Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
43. But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
44. Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
45. Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?
46. Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
47. Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.
48. But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;
49. And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;
50. The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,
51. And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
1. Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.

Matthew 25:31-34 KJV
31. When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32. And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33. And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34. Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

Matthew 25:41-46 KJV
41. Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
42. For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43. I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44. Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45. Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
46. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Understand that the Kingdom of God is within us. Therefore each and every one of us has both the wheat and the tares in his dominion, earth, lands, city, and house. Every one of us has "members" of his own household, (for the man is the house). Some of those members are "evil" and have been given to dwell in the flesh, (wherein dwells no good thing for the flesh profits nothing in the doctrine of Yeshua). Therefore cut off the Cainites from your midst. Part your soul asunder, divide it in twain parts, soul for soul, eye for eye, hand for hand, foot for foot, and let the tares be cast into the eternal fire when Messiah returns. And as for ourselves, Yeshua says: Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season? Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods. Therefore when the Master returns we have the assurance of this Word that he will separate the sheep from the goats and set the sheep to his right and the goats to his left, (for now they are growing up together as tares mixed in with the wheat in our midst). The statement quoted above from Matthew 24:45 is found in only one other Gospel account and therefore concerns the Parable of Ten Virgins with their vessels and their lamps:

Luke 12:25-42 KJV
25. And which of you with taking thought can add to his stature one cubit?

26. If ye then be not able to do that thing which is least, why take ye thought for the rest?
27. Consider the lilies how they grow: they toil not, they spin not; and yet I say unto you, that Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.
28. If then God so clothe the grass, which is to day in the field, and to morrow is cast into the oven; how much more will he clothe you, O ye of little faith?
29. And seek not ye what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink, neither be ye of doubtful mind.
30. For all these things do the nations of the world seek after: and your Father knoweth that ye have need of these things.
31. But rather seek ye the kingdom of God; and all these things shall be added unto you.
32. Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom.
33. Sell that ye have, and give alms; provide yourselves bags which wax not old, a treasure in the heavens that faileth not, where no thief approacheth, neither moth corrupteth.
34. For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
35. Let your loins be girded about, and your lights burning; (Parable of the Ten Virgins)
36. And ye yourselves like unto men that wait for their lord, when he will return from the wedding; that when he cometh and knocketh, they may open unto him immediately. (Laodicea - Revelation 3:20)
37. Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them.
38. And if he shall come in the second watch, or come in the third watch, and find them so, blessed are those servants.
39. And this know, that if the goodman of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched, and not have suffered his house to be broken through.
40. Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.
41. Then Peter said unto him, Lord, speakest thou this parable unto us, or even to all?
42. And the Lord said, Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season?

Therefore let each man take up his own cross and the two sticks become one in the hand of the Shepherd ~

For heart is the throne of David in the Kingdom of God and Yeshua is he that searches the reins and hearts!

I like the association between the mind - - > heart = one cubit and the depth of the ark of the tabernacle = one cubit.

And what of the reference the to King of the North?

You understand the two stick prophecy? Ezek 37:15,16

Purity

daq · Jun 17, 2013

Purity said:
I like the association between the mind - - > heart = one cubit and the depth of the ark of the tabernacle = one cubit.

And what of the reference the to King of the North?

You understand the two stick prophecy? Ezek 37:15,16

Purity

We are commanded in the first commandment to make the Most High our King of the North who has said that he will dwell in the thick darkness; `Araphel is found in Exodus 20:21, Deuteronomy 5:22, 1 Kings 8:12, and 2 Chronicles 6:1, yet man has placed himself and the machinations of his vain imagination upon the throne of the mind, (the Daniel 11 "king of the north") usurping the authority of the Most High Father in Heaven. You may have noticed that both of those kings have a heart bent on evil, (both the king of the north and the king of the south of Daniel Ch. 11) and verily they do both speak lies and "eat at the same table" which is the man, (Daniel 11:26-27). As for the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel they are symbolized in the following:

The Ten Concubines of David are the Ten Parts of the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel. Each Tribe gave a concubine to David that each Tribe might have a part in the kingdom. However, when David fled before that "son of perdition" usurper of the kingdom he left the Ten Concubines to keep the House. Absalom then, according to the counsel of Ahithophel, went in unto the Ten Concubines and defiled them before all Israel so as to complete the transfer of the kingdom to himself, (but the counsel of Ahithophel comes to nought also in this supernal typology). When David fled he stationed at Beit Ha-Merchaq, (see previous page of this thread) which is Mount Olivet Moriah, the highest peak of Mount Moriah, to the north of the old city walls outside the Damascus Gate. The same place is where the counsel of Ahithophel would be later defeated through the crucifixion of Messiah Yeshua, at the Cross of Golgotha, the Place of the Skull, Beit Ha-Merchaq.

2 Samuel 15:16-17
16. And the king went forth, and all his household after him. And the king left ten women, which were concubines, to keep the house.
17. And the king went forth, and all the people after him, and they stationed at Beit-ha-Merchaq.

2 Samuel 16:20-23
20. Then said Absalom to Ahithophel, Give counsel among you what we shall do.
21. And Ahithophel said unto Absalom, Go in unto thy father's concubines, which he hath left to keep the house; and all Israel shall hear that thou art abhorred of thy father: then shall the hands of all that are with thee be strong.
22. So they spread Absalom a tent upon the top of the house; and Absalom went in unto his father's concubines in the sight of all Israel.
23. And the counsel of Ahithophel, which he counselled in those days, was as if a man had inquired at the oracle of God: so was all the counsel of Ahithophel both with David and with Absalom.

2 Samuel 19:41 - 2 Samuel 20:3
41. And, behold, all the men of Israel came to the king, and said unto the king, Why have our brethren the men of Judah stolen thee away, and have brought the king, and his household, and all David's men with him, over Jordan?
42. And all the men of Judah answered the men of Israel, Because the king is near of kin to us: wherefore then be ye angry for this matter? have we eaten at all of the king's cost? or hath he given us any gift?
43. And the men of Israel answered the men of Judah, and said, We have ten parts in the king, and we have also more right in David than ye: why then did ye despise us, that our advice should not be first had in bringing back our king? And the words of the men of Judah were fiercer than the words of the men of Israel.
1. And there happened to be there a man of Belial, whose name was Sheba, the son of Bichri, a Benjamite: and he blew a trumpet, and said, We have no part in David, neither have We inheritance in the son of Jesse: every man to his tents, O Israel.
2. So every man of Israel went up from after David, and followed Sheba the son of Bichri: but the men of Judah clave unto their king, from Jordan even to Jerusalem.
3. And David came to his house at Jerusalem; and the king took the ten women his concubines, whom he had left to keep the house, and put them in ward, and fed them, but went not in unto them. So they were shut up unto the day of their death, living in widowhood.

1) The typology of Absalom is a "son of perdition" usurper.
2) The Ten Concubines keeping the House are the Ten Virgins.
3) The Ten Concubines, Ten Virgins, Ten Lamps, are the Ten Tribes.
4) The seed of all these were mixed into the nations when Elam was scattered to the four winds, (Jeremiah 49:36).

Unfortunately other seed is also there and needs to be purged out:

New Covenant ~

Jeremiah 31:26-31 KJV
26. Upon this I awaked, and beheld; my sleep was sweet unto me.
27. Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will sow the house of Israel and the house of Judah with the seed of man, and with the seed of beast.
28. And it shall come to pass, that like as I have watched over them, to pluck up, and to break down, and to throw down, and to destroy, and to afflict; so will I watch over them, to build, and to plant, saith the Lord.
29. In those days they shall say no more, The fathers have eaten a sour grape, and the children's teeth are set on edge.
30. But every one shall die for his own iniquity: every man that eateth the sour grape, his teeth shall be set on edge.
31. Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

Therefore the seed of beast must be purged: the lion-heart, the bear-arms, the leopard-belly, and the raven-eagle of above.

Purity · Jun 19, 2013

daq said:
We are commanded in the first commandment to make the Most High our King of the North who has said that he will dwell in the thick darkness; `Araphel is found in Exodus 20:21, Deuteronomy 5:22, 1 Kings 8:12, and 2 Chronicles 6:1, yet man has placed himself and the machinations of his vain imagination upon the throne of the mind, (the Daniel 11 "king of the north") usurping the authority of the Most High Father in Heaven. You may have noticed that both of those kings have a heart bent on evil, (both the king of the north and the king of the south of Daniel Ch. 11) and verily they do both speak lies and "eat at the same table" which is the man, (Daniel 11:26-27). As for the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel they are symbolized in the following:

The Ten Concubines of David are the Ten Parts of the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel. Each Tribe gave a concubine to David that each Tribe might have a part in the kingdom. However, when David fled before that "son of perdition" usurper of the kingdom he left the Ten Concubines to keep the House. Absalom then, according to the counsel of Ahithophel, went in unto the Ten Concubines and defiled them before all Israel so as to complete the transfer of the kingdom to himself, (but the counsel of Ahithophel comes to nought also in this supernal typology). When David fled he stationed at Beit Ha-Merchaq, (see previous page of this thread) which is Mount Olivet Moriah, the highest peak of Mount Moriah, to the north of the old city walls outside the Damascus Gate. The same place is where the counsel of Ahithophel would be later defeated through the crucifixion of Messiah Yeshua, at the Cross of Golgotha, the Place of the Skull, Beit Ha-Merchaq.

2 Samuel 15:16-17
16. And the king went forth, and all his household after him. And the king left ten women, which were concubines, to keep the house.
17. And the king went forth, and all the people after him, and they stationed at Beit-ha-Merchaq.

2 Samuel 16:20-23
20. Then said Absalom to Ahithophel, Give counsel among you what we shall do.
21. And Ahithophel said unto Absalom, Go in unto thy father's concubines, which he hath left to keep the house; and all Israel shall hear that thou art abhorred of thy father: then shall the hands of all that are with thee be strong.
22. So they spread Absalom a tent upon the top of the house; and Absalom went in unto his father's concubines in the sight of all Israel.
23. And the counsel of Ahithophel, which he counselled in those days, was as if a man had inquired at the oracle of God: so was all the counsel of Ahithophel both with David and with Absalom.

2 Samuel 19:41 - 2 Samuel 20:3
41. And, behold, all the men of Israel came to the king, and said unto the king, Why have our brethren the men of Judah stolen thee away, and have brought the king, and his household, and all David's men with him, over Jordan?
42. And all the men of Judah answered the men of Israel, Because the king is near of kin to us: wherefore then be ye angry for this matter? have we eaten at all of the king's cost? or hath he given us any gift?
43. And the men of Israel answered the men of Judah, and said, We have ten parts in the king, and we have also more right in David than ye: why then did ye despise us, that our advice should not be first had in bringing back our king? And the words of the men of Judah were fiercer than the words of the men of Israel.
1. And there happened to be there a man of Belial, whose name was Sheba, the son of Bichri, a Benjamite: and he blew a trumpet, and said, We have no part in David, neither have We inheritance in the son of Jesse: every man to his tents, O Israel.
2. So every man of Israel went up from after David, and followed Sheba the son of Bichri: but the men of Judah clave unto their king, from Jordan even to Jerusalem.
3. And David came to his house at Jerusalem; and the king took the ten women his concubines, whom he had left to keep the house, and put them in ward, and fed them, but went not in unto them. So they were shut up unto the day of their death, living in widowhood.

1) The typology of Absalom is a "son of perdition" usurper.
2) The Ten Concubines keeping the House are the Ten Virgins.
3) The Ten Concubines, Ten Virgins, Ten Lamps, are the Ten Tribes.
4) The seed of all these were mixed into the nations when Elam was scattered to the four winds, (Jeremiah 49:36).

Unfortunately other seed is also there and needs to be purged out:

New Covenant ~

Jeremiah 31:26-31 KJV
26. Upon this I awaked, and beheld; my sleep was sweet unto me.
27. Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will sow the house of Israel and the house of Judah with the seed of man, and with the seed of beast.
28. And it shall come to pass, that like as I have watched over them, to pluck up, and to break down, and to throw down, and to destroy, and to afflict; so will I watch over them, to build, and to plant, saith the Lord.
29. In those days they shall say no more, The fathers have eaten a sour grape, and the children's teeth are set on edge.
30. But every one shall die for his own iniquity: every man that eateth the sour grape, his teeth shall be set on edge.
31. Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

Therefore the seed of beast must be purged: the lion-heart, the bear-arms, the leopard-belly, and the raven-eagle of above.

Daq, sorry for the delay.

There is no new thing here for me and am comfortable with all you have said.

It's rare these days to find someone who speaks in types and antitypes, as you do. Usually these enable us to stay on straight paths doctrinally speaking.

I would be interested to you speak to the identity of the King of the North and South? and your reasoning's.

Purity

Eric E Stahl · Jun 20, 2013

1 Corinthians 11:23-34
23For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:
24And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.
25After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.
26For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.
27Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.
28But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.
29For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.
30For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.
31For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.
32But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.
33Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another.
34And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come.

As you live remember Jesus and live accordingly!

daq · Jun 20, 2013

Eric E Stahl said:
1 Corinthians 11:23-34
23For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:
24And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.
25After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, [after the Seder] saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.
26For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.
27Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.
28But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.
29For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.
30For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.
31For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.
32But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.
33Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another.
34And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come.

As you live remember Jesus and live accordingly!

Purity said:
I would be interested to you speak to the identity of the King of the North and South? and your reasoning's.

Purity

In the following parable we find the house of Israel, Jerusalem, the king of Babylon, and Pharaoh king of Egypt. The house of Israel represents "the land" with Jerusalem at the hub or center about which the nations war. Likewise we find the two kings which even throughout history are constantly fighting over the property which belongs to God, (the first "Great Eagle" Exodus 19:4).

Ezekiel 17:1-10 KJV
1. And the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,
2. Son of man, put forth a riddle, and speak a parable unto the house of Israel;
3. And say, Thus saith the Lord God; A great eagle with great wings, longwinged, full of feathers, which had divers colours, came unto Lebanon, and took the highest branch of the cedar:
4. He cropped off the top of his young twigs, and carried it into a land of traffick; he set it in a city of merchants.
5. He took also of the seed of the land, and planted it in a fruitful field; he placed it by great waters, and set it as a willow tree.
6. And it grew, and became a spreading vine of low stature, whose branches turned toward him, and the roots thereof were under him: so it became a vine, and brought forth branches, and shot forth sprigs.
7. There was also another great eagle with great wings and many feathers: and, behold, this vine did bend her roots toward him, and shot forth her branches toward him, that he might water it by the furrows of her plantation.
8. It was planted in a good soil by great waters, that it might bring forth branches, and that it might bear fruit, that it might be a goodly vine.
9. Say thou, Thus saith the Lord God; Shall it prosper? shall he not pull up the roots thereof, and cut off the fruit thereof, that it wither? it shall wither in all the leaves of her spring, even without great power or many people to pluck it up by the roots thereof.
10. Yea, behold, being planted, shall it prosper? shall it not utterly wither, when the east wind toucheth it? it shall wither in the furrows where it grew.

Everything is supernal even down to the Qadimah-East Wind:

Habakkuk 1:5-11 KJV
5. Behold ye among the heathen, and regard, and wonder marvellously: for I will work a work in your days which ye will not believe, though it be told you.
6. For, lo, I raise up the Chaldeans, that bitter and hasty nation, which shall march through the breadth of the land, to possess the dwellingplaces that are not theirs.
7. They are terrible and dreadful: their judgment and their dignity shall proceed of themselves.
8. Their horses also are swifter than the leopards, and are more fierce than the evening wolves: and their horsemen shall spread themselves, and their horsemen shall come from far; they shall fly as the eagle that hasteth to eat.
9. They shall come all for violence: their faces shall sup up as the east wind, and they shall gather the captivity as the sand.
10. And they shall scoff at the kings, and the princes shall be a scorn unto them: they shall deride every strong hold; for they shall heap dust, and take it.
11. Then shall his mind change, and he shall pass over, and offend, imputing this his power unto his god.

The mind of Messiah we are admonished to "put on" while the mind of the flesh, ("old man") we are to cut off.

John 8:41-44
41. You do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
42. Yeshua says to them; If God were your Father, you would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
43. Why do you not understand my speech? even because you cannot hear my word.
44. You are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father you will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, out from himself he speaks: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

And I said: O Master; speak these things to the Pharisees, Sadducees, Elders, and Jews only? or say you these things even unto all? And Yeshua says to me: "Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his master shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season? Blessed is that servant, whom his master when he cometh shall find so doing. Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath. But and if that servant say in his heart, My master delays his arrival; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken; the master of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers."

So I looked into the mirror through Torah and, behold, a fiery burning mountain staring back at me; And I said to the mountain:

In the name of Yeshua: Get thee behind me Satan.

For you savor only the things of man . . .

Every man must part asunder from his mother and father of the world and cleave unto God the Father. :blink:

daq · Jun 24, 2013

daq said:
Did I misunderstand you? (sorry if I did).
Yeshua is the Word according to the Scripture.
Do you believe Yeshua pre-existed or not? It is not something I desire to debate herein.

PS ~ The above contains an error which should read: "Is Yeshua the Word according to Scripture?"

Eric E Stahl said:
1 Corinthians 11:23-34
23For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:
24And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.
25After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, [after the Seder] saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.
26For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.
27Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.
28But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.
29For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.
30For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.
31For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.
32But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.
33Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another.
34And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come.

As you live remember Jesus and live accordingly!

There is a discussion on this, (and why the fact that this occurs AFTER the Seder is important) in the following thread:

daq said:
Rather than being "abolished" or "done away with" Torah of Moses was CONFIRMED by Messiah at the "Last Supper" or final Pesach Seder of the night before the Crucifixion. All of the Covenants of Torah were confirmed including the Covenant to Noah, (and all flesh) the Covenant to Abraham, the Mosaic Torah, the Covenant to Aaron and his sons, and the Covenant to Phinehas the son of Eleazar-Lazaros of an everlasting Covenant of Peace. Likewise in addition the Covenant of Salt to David was confirmed and the promise-oath-prophecy given to Daniel in the famous Daniel 9:24-27 passage concerning decree of "seventy seventies-generations-weeks". The word "kainos" ("new") is not found in Matthew 26:28 or Mark 14:24 except in the AV-Textus Receptus used for translating primarily the KJV and Young's Literal Bible. Of the much more reliable "GNT Morph" compilation texts none of them have "kainos" for "new covenant" in those two passages but rather only the single word "diatheke" (covenant). The only of the three companion passages which has "kainos-diatheke" ("new covenant") in the Greek is the Luke passage.
Daniel 9:27 KJV
27. And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Matthew 26:26-29 ASV
26. And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed, and brake it; and he gave to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body.
27. And he took a cup, and gave thanks, and gave to them, saying, Drink ye all of it;
28. for this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many unto remission of sins.

Mark 14:22-24 ASV
22. And as they were eating, he took bread, and when he had blessed, he brake it, and gave to them, and said, Take ye: this is my body.
23. And he took a cup, and when he had given thanks, he gave to them: and they all drank of it.
24. And he said unto them, This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many.

Luke 22:15-20 ASV
15. And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer:
16. for I say unto you, I shall not eat it, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God.
17. And he received a cup, and when he had given thanks, he said, Take this, and divide it among yourselves:
18. for I say unto you, I shall not drink from henceforth of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come.
19. And he took bread, and when he had given thanks, he brake it, and gave to them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.
20. And the cup in like manner after supper, saying, This cup is the new covenant in my blood, even that which is poured out for you.

As may clearly be seen the first cup is either at the beginning of the Seder or during the Seder yet the "New Covenant" is not mentioned until the other cup which comes AFTER the Seder. Thus Yeshua CONFIRMS all Torah Covenants with the first cup and clearly states "for many" (Daniel 9:27) and only after the Seder does he institute the New Covenant, ("with you" says the passage in all accounts) showing that one must first partake of the Passover-Pesach Seder of Messiah and, thus, partake of his sufferings with him BEFORE the New Covenant commences. This is to each in his or her own appointed times, and no man knows the day nor the hour, but the Father only, for that cup we drink anew with Messiah in the Kingdom of the Father in that day.

daq · Jul 9, 2013

YHWH is my Shepherd; I shall not want. In pastures of green grass he settles me down: he leads me beside the quiet still waters. He restores my soul: he leads me in the paths of righteousness for the sake of his name. Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of maveth, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me. Thou dost prepare a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou hast anointed my head with oil; my Cup overflows. Only goodness and mercy pursue me, all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of YHWH for ever. Elohim is the Judge: he putteth down one, and setteth up another. For in the hand of the YHWH there is a Cup, and the wine is red; it is full of mixture; and he pours out of the same: but the dregs thereof, all the wicked of the earth shall wring them out, and drink them. But I will declare for ever; I will sing praises to the Elohim of Jacob. All the horns of the wicked will I cut off; exalted are the horns of the righteous! What shall I render unto YHWH for all his benefits toward me? I will take the Cup of Yeshua; and I will call upon the name of YHWH. Let me render my vows unto YHWH; in the presence, I beseech, of all his people. Precious in the eyes of YHWH is the death of his saints. O YHWH, I am thy servant; I am thy servant, and the son of thy handmaid: thou hast loosed my bonds. I will offer unto thee the sacrifice of thanksgiving, and will call upon the name of YHWH. I will render my vows unto YHWH; in the presence, I beseech, of all his people. In the courts of the house of YHWH, in the midst of thee O Jerusalem, Hallu Yah!

Sing unto YHWH a new song; for things too wonderful has he done: his right hand, and his holy arm, hath gotten him the victory. YHWH hath made known his salvation: his righteousness hath he openly revealed to the eyes of the heathen. He hath remembered his mercy and his truth toward the house of Israel: all the ends of the earth have seen the salvation of our Elohim. Shout joyfully unto YHWH, all the earth: break out, and rejoice, and sing praise. Sing unto YHWH with the harp; with the harp, and the voice of a psalm. With trumpets and the sound of shofar; make a joyful noise before YHWH, the King. Let the sea roar, and the fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein. Let the rivers clap their hands: let the hills be joyful together before YHWH; for he cometh to judge the earth: with righteousness shall he judge the world, and the people with equity.

YHWH reigns; the people tremble: the inhabitant of the Cherubim; let the earth quake. YHWH in Zion is Gadol. He is exalted over all of the peoples. They shall praise thy name; Gadol, and Terrible, it is holy. And the strength of the King loves judgment; thou dost establish equity, thou dost execute judgment and righteousness in Jacob. Let us exalt YHWH our Elohim, and worship at his footstool; for holy he is. Moses and Aaron among his priests, and those heard of El in calling upon his name; they cried unto YHWH, and he answered them. In the pillar of cloud he spoke unto them: they hedged about his testimonies, and the ordinance that he gave to them. YHWH our Elohim, thou didst answer them: an El forgiving thou hast been unto them, though thou hast taken vengeance upon their works. Let us exalt YHWH our Elohim, and worship at the mountain of his holiness; for YHWH our Elohim is holy.

Hallu Yah! Sing unto YHWH a new song, and his praise in the congregation of saints.
Let Israel rejoice in him that made him: let the sons of Zion be joyful in their King.
Let them praise his name in the machol: let them sing praises unto him with tabret and harp:
For YHWH is pleased in his people: he adorns the afflicted with salvation.
Let the saints be joyful in glory: let them sing out loud upon their beds.
Let there be the exultations of El in their mouth, and a two-edged sword in their hand;
To execute vengeance in the heathen, and punishments upon the nations;
To bind their kings with chains, and their nobles with fetters of iron;
To execute in them the judgment that is written: this honor have all of his saints.
Hallu Yah!

Great and marvelous are thy works, YHWH, El - Shadday!
Just and true are thy ways, O thou King of the nations!
Who shall not fear thee, O YHWH, and glorify thy name? for thou alone art holy.
For all nations shall come and worship before thee; for thy righteous works are revealed.

clontzjm · Jul 18, 2013

[SIZE=medium]Matthew 24:12-34 The End of the World – A Poem by Jesus[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]In the Olivet Discourse, Jesus creates a poem about the end of the world. The poem is based on a rhyme between the Hebrew words “The End” and “Summer or Summer Fruit.” Jesus is expounding on a poem in Amos 8:1-2 that uses the same rhyme and the same theme. However, he adds an additional rhyme that involves [/SIZE]“Wickedness,” “Saved,” “Gates,” and “Shall be done.” The words “Saved” and “Wickedness” use many of the same letters but the letters are prioritized differently. Almost as if they were symbolizing that it is how everything is prioritized that is the difference between “Saved” and “Wickedness.”

[SIZE=medium]“The End” ([/SIZE]קץ)
[SIZE=medium]“Summer Fruit” ([/SIZE]קיץ)

[SIZE=medium]“Wickedness” ([/SIZE]הרשעות)
[SIZE=medium]“Saved” ([/SIZE]יושע)
[SIZE=medium]“Gates” ([/SIZE]לשערים)
[SIZE=medium]“Shall be done” ([/SIZE]יהיו עשוים)

[SIZE=medium]8:1 “Thus the Lord GOD showed me: behold, a basket of summer fruit {[/SIZE]“Summer Fruit” (קיץ)}. 2 And he said, "Amos, what do you see?" And I said, "A basket of summer fruit {“Summer Fruit” (קיץ)}." Then the LORD said to me, "The end {“The End” (קץ)} has come upon my people Israel; I will never again pass by them.” [Amos 8:1-2 RSV]

[SIZE=medium]24:12[/SIZE] And because wickedness {“Wickedness” (הרשעות)} will increase, the love of most will grow cold. 13 But he who endures to the end {“The End” (קץ)} will be saved {“Saved” (יושע)}. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end {“The End” (קץ)} will come.
[SIZE=medium]24:32 “Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: as soon as its branch becomes tender and puts forth its leaves, you know that summer {“[/SIZE]Summer” (קיץ) or “Summer Fruit” (קיץ)} is near. 33 So also, when you see all these things, you know that it is near, right at the door {“Gates” (לשערים)}. 34 Truly, I tell you that this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place {“Shall be done” (יהיו עשוים)}. [Matthew 24:12-14, 32-34 The Passion: The Poetry of God]

[SIZE=medium]J. Clontz – Editor of the Comprehensive New Testament[/SIZE]

daq · Jul 18, 2013

clontzjm said:
[SIZE=medium]Matthew 24:12-34 The End of the World – A Poem by Jesus[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]In the Olivet Discourse, Jesus creates a poem about the end of the world. The poem is based on a rhyme between the Hebrew words “The End” and “Summer or Summer Fruit.” Jesus is expounding on a poem in Amos 8:1-2 that uses the same rhyme and the same theme. However, he adds an additional rhyme that involves [/SIZE]“Wickedness,” “Saved,” “Gates,” and “Shall be done.” The words “Saved” and “Wickedness” use many of the same letters but the letters are prioritized differently. Almost as if they were symbolizing that it is how everything is prioritized that is the difference between “Saved” and “Wickedness.”

[SIZE=medium]“The End” ([/SIZE]קץ)
[SIZE=medium]“Summer Fruit” ([/SIZE]קיץ)

[SIZE=medium]“Wickedness” ([/SIZE]הרשעות)
[SIZE=medium]“Saved” ([/SIZE]יושע)
[SIZE=medium]“Gates” ([/SIZE]לשערים)
[SIZE=medium]“Shall be done” ([/SIZE]יהיו עשוים)

[SIZE=medium]8:1 “Thus the Lord GOD showed me: behold, a basket of summer fruit {[/SIZE]“Summer Fruit” (קיץ)}. 2 And he said, "Amos, what do you see?" And I said, "A basket of summer fruit {“Summer Fruit” (קיץ)}." Then the LORD said to me, "The end {“The End” (קץ)} has come upon my people Israel; I will never again pass by them.” [Amos 8:1-2 RSV]

[SIZE=medium]24:12[/SIZE] And because wickedness {“Wickedness” (הרשעות)} will increase, the love of most will grow cold. 13 But he who endures to the end {“The End” (קץ)} will be saved {“Saved” (יושע)}. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end {“The End” (קץ)} will come.
[SIZE=medium]24:32 “Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: as soon as its branch becomes tender and puts forth its leaves, you know that summer {“[/SIZE]Summer” (קיץ) or “Summer Fruit” (קיץ)} is near. 33 So also, when you see all these things, you know that it is near, right at the door {“Gates” (לשערים)}. 34 Truly, I tell you that this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place {“Shall be done” (יהיו עשוים)}. [Matthew 24:12-14, 32-34 The Passion: The Poetry of God]

[SIZE=medium]J. Clontz – Editor of the Comprehensive New Testament[/SIZE]

That is beautiful and makes much sense J. Clontz. Thank you for posting and welcome to the forum! Do you have any reference sources you might post or is this thinking from your own revelatory studies? Here is my own reading with some other passages, (I understand that `Anaq and 'anak are not the same word).

Amos 7:1-2 Masoretic
1. Thus hath shewed unto me 'Adonay YHWH; and behold, he formed the locusts in the beginning of the ascending of the gleanings; and, behold, the gleanings were after the shearings of the melek-king.
2. And it came to pass, that when they had made an end of eating the tender herbs of the land, then I said, O 'Adonay YHWH, forgive, I beseech thee: by whom shall Jacob arise? for he is small.

Amos 7:1-2 Septuagint ~ LXX
1. Thus has the Lord God shewed me; and, behold, a swarm of locusts coming from the east; and, behold, one brouchos-caterpillar, Gog the king.
2. And it came to pass when he had finished devouring the grass of the land, that I said, Lord God, be merciful; who shall raise up Jacob? for he is small in number.

Amos 7:3-9 Masoretic
3. Repented YHWH concerning this: Not shall it be! saith YHWH.
4. Thus hath shewed unto me 'Adonay YHWH; and behold, 'Adonay YHWH calleth for a controversy by fire; and it burned up the great abyss, and devoured the smoothness of flattery.
5. Then said I, O 'Adonay YHWH, cease, I beseech thee: by whom shall Jacob arise? for he is small.
6. Repented YHWH concerning this: Again, this not shall be! saith 'Adonay YHWH.
7. Thus he shewed me: and, behold; 'Adonay stationed upon the wall of the hook-'Anak, and in his hand the hook-'anak.
8. And said YHWH unto me, What seest thou Amos? And I said, 'Anak. And said 'Adonay, Lo, I do set 'anak-hook in the midst of my people Israel: not shall I add yet more (another) to crossover into them:
9. And shall be desolate the bamah-high places of Isaac, and the miqdash-sanctuaries of Israel shall be parched-barren; and I will rise against the house of Yarobam with the sword.

Amos 8:1-3
1. Thus hath shewed unto me 'Adonay YHWH; and behold, a bird cage of summer harvest fruits.
2. And he said, What seest thou Amos? And I said, A bird cage of summer harvest fruits. Then saith YHWH unto me; Doth come the end upon my people of Israel; not shall I add yet more (another) to crossover into them.
3. And there shall be howling for the songs of the temple in that day! Thus saith 'Adonay YHWH; there shall be a multitude of carcasses! In every place they shall cast them forth in silence.

Revelation 18:1-2
1. AND WITH these things I saw a different Mal'ak come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.
2. And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become a habitation of devils, and a hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

Ezekiel 39:17-20
17. And, thou son of man, thus saith the Lord God; Speak unto every feathered fowl, and to every beast of the field, assemble yourselves, and come; gather yourselves on every side to my sacrifice that I do sacrifice for you, even a great sacrifice upon the mountains of Israel, that ye may eat flesh, and drink blood.
18. Ye shall eat the flesh of the mighty, and drink the blood of the princes of the earth, of rams, of lambs, and of goats, of bullocks, all of them fatlings of Bashan.
19. And ye shall eat fat till ye be full, and drink blood till ye be drunken, of my sacrifice which I have sacrificed for you.
20. Thus ye shall be filled at my table with horses and chariots, with mighty men, and with all men of war, saith the Lord God.

Revelation 19:17-19
17. And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
18. That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
19. And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
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All of them fatlings of Bashan . . .
All of them sons of the august cow . . .
All of them bulls with the hook of `Anak in their jaws . . .

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