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Wow thanks Jag for posting this God said the famine of the end will be for true word of God
 

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Jag, it would probably help you to understand how Bible translation works. It has been a long time since I studied this, so my dates may be off, but here goes.The New Testament was written in Aramaic & Greek. The last disciple of Jesus to die was John. And he died in about 70AD. Paul's letters were in Greek. The only way the "written word" was spread was either by word of mouth. Or by coping a letter. It wasn't til around 350AD the Christian leaders decided on what should be included in our New Testament. There was a big debate about even including Revelation, for example.Modern translators collect & compare as many of the early writings as they can find. The differences you mention, come from the fact, that some of the copies of the letters have those words & some don't. So the translator has to make an intelligent guess. Another source, is the parallel texts. There were early Christians who spoke Coptic, Ethioptic (remember the Ethiopian urchin) & Syriac. So there are also other sources (early on) that can be used as comparison.It is alot harder than it appears on the surface. But you may enjoy reading up on it.
 

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I'll still take my KJV with my strongs to Hebrew and Greek and it is the closet to the dead Sea scrolls some of the oldest texts found. given its well documented few errors its still the best in my book
 

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For my own use, I prefer KJV. But for new Christians, I usually give them NIV. Because I think they will have an easier time understanding it.If you pull out your KJV, you will find in the margin, a note that says "some manuscipts read etc." The New Testament is more problematic this way than the OT. The Old Testament was already established well before our Bible was translated into English. It's translation problems have to do with the best way to translate "figures of speech."Anyway, if I really want to know what the New Testament says, I refer back to the Greek. Gotta love that concordance. I think there is a Greek/Hebrew/English concordance for the NIV as well. But I don't own one.
 

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Very good post comparing the various translations. Yes, this is why I like the KJV although you will have those scholars who can't get off their academic high-horse long enough to see what they are doing to God's Word all in the name of a more accurate translation (well, so they say, we know so much more today).I especially like the firstborn part. What modern hot-shots do not understand is that in the OT, they were to offer the "firstfruits" or "firstborn" or "firstlings" to the Lord. In the case of children, the tribe of Levi was dedicated in lieu of them (remember the Exodus story). However, this is significant to those who are not spiritually obtuse. This foreshadowed Christ, the firstborn among many brethren. This is why Christ was not the second, third, or even forth child, and why He was first to raise. Rest assured, someone will quote me and say..... BUT...... which only shows there are those secretly wishing the bible is translated to fit their notions.What can I say? The bible's been so "Gentilized" and there are Canaanites in the land.
 

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Continuance from my Original Post
KJV = King James Version, NIV = New Internation Version, NLT = New Living Translation, NWT (aka, Jehovah Witness) = New World Translation, ASV = American Standard Version, RSV = Revised Standard Version, NRSV = New Revised Standard Version, NASV/NASB = New American Standard Version, NCV = New Century Version, TM = The Message, ESV = English Standard Version, CEV = Contemporary English Version, NKJV = New King James Version, AmpV = Amplified Version, GNT = Good News Translation, DT = Darby Translation, NLV = New Life Version, HCSV/HCSB = Holman Christian Standard Version, YLT = Young's Literal TranslationTo repentance or NOT to repentance, that is the question...?Matthew 9:13 KJV - But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.Matthew 9:13 NIV - But go and learn what this means: 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners."Mark 2:17 KJV - When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.Mark 2:17 NIV - On hearing this, Jesus said to them, "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners."Luke 5:32 KJV - I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.Luke 5:32 NIV - I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance."(ALSO removed on Matthew 9:13 "TO REPENTANCE" in NASV, TM, (It's busted) ASV, ESV, NLT, NRSV, RSV, GNT, CEV, NCV, NWT, AmpV, DT, NLV, HCSV)(ALSO removed on Mark 2:17 "TO REPENTANCE" in NASV, TM, (It's busted) ASV, ESV, NLT, NRSV, RSV, GNT, CEV, NCV, NWT, AmpV, DT, NLV, HCSV)Who saved Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego from the furnace? The Son of God or a pagan god?Daniel 3:25 KJV - He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.Daniel 3:25 NIV - He said, "Look! I see four men walking around in the fire, unbound and unharmed, and the fourth looks like a son of the gods."Daniel 3:25 NLT - Look!" Nebuchadnezzar shouted. "I see four men, unbound, walking around in the fire. They aren't even hurt by the flames! And the fourth looks like a god!"(ALSO changed from the Son of God to "A SON OF THE GODS" or "A GOD" or whatever in NASV, TM, ASV, ESV, NRSV, RSV, GNT, (Can God be an angel?) CEV, NCV, NWT, AmpV, NKJV (Footnote reads Or a son of the gods), YLT, DT (DT says a son of God), NLV, (Or the Son of God) HCSV) Alpha and Omega...Our Christ said itRevelation 1:8 KJV - I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.Revelation 1:8 NIV - I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty."Revelation 1:11 KJV - Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.Revelation 1:11 NIV - which said: "Write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia and Laodicea."Revelation 21:6 KJV - And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.Revelation 21:6 NIV - He said to me: "It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To him who is thirsty I will give to drink without cost from the spring of the water of life.Revelation 22:13 KJV - I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. Revelation 22:13 NIV - I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.(ALSO removes in Revelation 1:8 "THE BEGINNING AND THE ENDING" in NASV, TM, ASV, ESV, NRSV, RSV, GNT, (Removes Alpha and Omega and changes to the first and the last) CEV, NCV, AmpV, NWT, DT, NLV, (Removes Alpha and Omega and changes to the first and the last) HCSV)(ALSO removes in Revelation 1:11 "I AM ALPHA AND OMEGA" in NASV, TM, ASV, ESV, NLT, NRSV, GNT, CEV, NCV, AmpV, NWT, DT, NLV, HCSB)In Revelation 21:6 and Revelation 22:13, the only bible that removes "ALPHA AND OMEGA" is the GNT and NLV)P.S. I had to point it out because not everybody in the world knows Greek AlphabetsWhich one is correct? The prophets? or the prophet Isaiah?Mark 1:2-3 KJV - As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee. The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.Mark 1:2-3 NIV - It is written in Isaiah the prophet: "I will send my messenger ahead of you, who will prepare your way"-- "a voice of one calling in the desert, 'Prepare the way for the Lord, make straight paths for him.'"To Get The Answer, We Have To Look At The Old Testament Scriptures...Malachi 3:1 - Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.Isaiah 40:3 - The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.(ALSO says "The prophet Isaiah" in NASV, TM, ASV, ESV, NLT, NRSV, RSV, GNT, CEV, NCV, AmpV, NWT, DT, NLV (Change prophets to teachers), HCSB)--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------[url="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=%20Matthew%2017:21,%2018:11,%2023:14,%20%20Mark%207:16,%209:44,%209:46,%2011:26,%2015:28,%20Luke%2017:36,%2023:17,%20John%205:4,%20Acts%208:37,%2015:34,%2024:7,%2028:29,%20Romans%2016:24;&version=31;]New Internation Version (NIV) removes 16 bible verses, CLICK HERE![/url]New Living Treanslation (NLT) removes 16 bible verses, CLICK HERE!English Standard Version (ESV) removes 16 bible verses, CLICK HERE!Darby Translation (DT) removes 3 bible verses, CLICK HERE!The Message (tm) removes 11 bible verses, CLICK HERE!The Amplified Version (AmpV) removes 2 bible verses, CLICK HERE!Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB) removes 2 bible verses, CLICK HERE!--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------You may or may not already know this fact...(Terry Watkins)
A little known fact: In 1988 Zondervan and the NIV was purchased by Harper & Row, Publishers (now HarperCollins Publishers). HarperCollins publishes "pro-homosexual" books such as Making Out, The Book of Lesbian Sex and Sexuality described as "Beautifully illustrated with full-color photography,. . . Making Out is the complete illustrated guide to lesbian sexuality and relationships. . .the intricacies of love play. . ." and many other pro-homosexual books!HarperCollins is a subsidiary of the global media empire, The News Corporation, owned by Rupert Murdock. The News Corporation empire include Fox Broadcasting, Twentieth Century Fox, and more than 128 newspapers. Fox Broadcasting produces some of the most sexually lewd shows on television. Murdock also publishes the British newspaper, the Sun, notorious for its nude pin-ups.VERY IMPORTANT! [url="http://www.harpercollins.com/book/index.aspx?isbn=9780380015399]For the REAL PROOF Check out this link to HarperCollins[/url]
Source: http://www.av1611.org/niv.htmlNo wonder Other bibles loves to agree with men's ideas.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Jeremiah 23:36 - And the burden of the LORD shall ye mention no more: for every man's word shall be his burden; for ye have perverted the words of the living God, of the LORD of hosts our God.Revelation 18:4 - And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.Much love, Jag (I love you guys so much.)
 

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The old King James Version is my favourite because it's fearless,whereas some newer translations are wimpy and politically-correct.For example the KJV calls heathens 'heathens', whereas some of the others call them 'nations'.Likewise, some clergymen and women are replacing the first line of the Lord's Prayer at services by saying - "Our Father and Mother in heaven, hallowed be your name..."True Christians are onto all their little tricks..
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"False prophets will bring damnable heresies and false teachers" (2 Peter 2:1)"If anyone preaches a perverted gospel they're accursed" (Gal 1:6-9)"Beware men who spoil you with enticing words,deceitful philosophy not after Christ" (Col 2:4-8 )"Little children,let nobody lead you astray" (1 John 3:7)"Ungodly men have slipped in among you" (Jude 4)"Don't get carried away by strange teachings" (Heb 13:9)"They want to win you over and alienate you from us" (Gal 4:17)"Ignorant people distort things,to their own destruction" (2 Peter 3:16-17)
 

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To be quite honest with everyone...If People Truly Loves YHWH And Yahshua, They Will Translate His Words With Their Whole Heart. They Will NOT REMOVE ANYTHING At All.Much love, JagExtended Post(Nova)
For my own use, I prefer KJV. But for new Christians, I usually give them NIV. Because I think they will have an easier time understanding it.If you pull out your KJV, you will find in the margin, a note that says "some manuscipts read etc." The New Testament is more problematic this way than the OT. The Old Testament was already established well before our Bible was translated into English. It's translation problems have to do with the best way to translate "figures of speech."Anyway, if I really want to know what the New Testament says, I refer back to the Greek. Gotta love that concordance. I think there is a Greek/Hebrew/English concordance for the NIV as well. But I don't own one.
I don't buy that at all. Cause my KJV has NO FOOTNOTES. You knows what's even funnier. My God does not need help from His own creatures. We need His help to survive LIFE. Not Satan. I think I rather stick with scriptures, not men's commentary of what they think. (Terry Watkins)
LIES THAT PROMOTE THE NIV
LIE 1) The NIV "just" updates the "archaic" words and makes it "easier to understand". Nothing is "really changed.FACT: The NIV denys the deity of Jesus Christ; the virgin birth; glorifies Satan; openly lie; removes 17 complete verses and 64,576 words!LIE 2) The NIV is easier to read and understand.FACT: According to a Flesch-Kincaid Grade Level research study, The King James Bible is by far the easiest! Out of 26 different categories - the King James graded easier in a whopping 23! In selected analysis, the KJB average grade level was 5.8 - the NIV was 8.4! (New Age Bible Versions, Riplinger, pp.195-209)LIE 3) Older and more reliable manuscripts have been discovered since the King James Bible.FACT: Dr. Sam Gipp writes, "The fact is, that the King James translators had ALL OF THE READINGS available to them that modern critics have available to them today." (The Answer Book, Gipp, p.110) And furthermore, it is a well documented fact that 90 - 95 per cent of all readings agree with the King James Bible!LIE 4) The NIV is more accurate.FACT: The KJB is a literal word for word translation. When the translators had to add words for sentence structure they are in italics. The NIV uses "dynamic equivalence". Rather than a word for word translation, they add, change and subtract to make the verse say what they "thought" it should! The Preface to the NIV even says, ". . .they have striven for more than a word-for-word translation. . ."
 

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Dear Superjag, Thank you for the most colourful posts I've ever seen in my life.However, Nova was on to something. If you understood how translation works, you'd see how hilarious what you are saying really is. (Nova;19623)
Jag, it would probably help you to understand how Bible translation works. It has been a long time since I studied this, so my dates may be off, but here goes.The New Testament was written in Aramaic & Greek. The last disciple of Jesus to die was John. And he died in about 70AD. Paul's letters were in Greek. The only way the "written word" was spread was either by word of mouth. Or by coping a letter. It wasn't til around 350AD the Christian leaders decided on what should be included in our New Testament. There was a big debate about even including Revelation, for example.Modern translators collect & compare as many of the early writings as they can find. The differences you mention, come from the fact, that some of the copies of the letters have those words & some don't. So the translator has to make an intelligent guess. Another source, is the parallel texts. There were early Christians who spoke Coptic, Ethioptic (remember the Ethiopian urchin) & Syriac. So there are also other sources (early on) that can be used as comparison.It is alot harder than it appears on the surface. But you may enjoy reading up on it.
Yeah.. quite a few things are off here, but just the same, the point is good. I won't bother correcting you, as my point is to reach superjag here.Superjag, the main point is that translations of the Bible are done using our best tools, and all our resources. You have to understand that when the KJV was made, they didn't have all the resources, the ancient texts that we have today, and they certainly didn't give them due examination.Think about it logically, if one translation say something, but not a single other says that, regardless of which translation stands alone, the stand alone translation is logically the most probably wrong. Here, with the KJV, we can see that directly, even in many of the passages you've chosen. The KJV contains things not written by the Apostles, or Prophets, Period. Modern translations don't 'take these things out'. Instead, they simply don't 'include them even though the early texts didn't say that at all'. (kriss;19625)
I'll still take my KJV with my strongs to Hebrew and Greek and it is the closet to the dead Sea scrolls some of the oldest texts found. given its well documented few errors its still the best in my book
ah, comic.
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These misunderstandings are rampant. The Dead Sea Scrolls were a resource for more modern translations and not the KJV. One of the things which helped us improve our understanding of the original scriptures was the Dead Sea Scrolls. They are more in contrast with the KJV than modern translations.I have already tried to explain this to you. http://www.christianityboard.com/kjv-vs-ot...ions-t3907.htmlI also link from there to another post in another thread where I bring out my evidences in depth. Ignore it or not, what I wrote doesn't go away. I hope you read and consider it.~Tyrel
 

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Yes you have tried to explain BT and I dont agree with you at all. As I have shown you. In other threads and Jag has pointed out here. Most all true bible scohalrs will tell you KJV is most accurate for any deeper understanings of the Word. If you just want a basic understaning of surface text then any will do.
 

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Yes you have tried to explain BT and I dont agree with you at all. As I have shown you. In other threads and Jag has pointed out here. Most all true bible scohalrs will tell you KJV is most accurate for any deeper understanings of the Word. If you just want a basic understaning of surface text then any will do.
Dear Kriss,I would like to challenge the notion that you have shown this to be true. First of all, you have not shown how the "true bible scholars" agree that the KJV is the most accurate translation. What, if I might inquire, constitutes 'True'? Is it that they go by the KJV? If that's the case, then I would say that I agree with your statement, because it's perfectly logical, except for using the words 'True bible Scholar'. What is a 'True' Scholar? Is it a Christian Scholar? Give me a few years and I'll fit nicely in that category.Beyond not explaining what constitutes a 'true Bible Scholar', you also have not even begun to prove that there are a greater number of scholars who accept the KJV as the most accurate. Beyond this, I am convinced that you have not read through my posts. I say so with confidence both because you have not attacked any of my points, and because you seem to continue asserting things which I have shown to be false, such as, for example, the KJV being the closest to the Dead Sea Scrolls.~Tyrel
 

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Do not all bible scohlars have to refer to the original ???? A true Bibal scohlar can not refer to NIV alone for truth of depth scripture.
 

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Hi Superjag,Jeremiah 31:31-34.Jeremiah 31:31-34 (King James Version) 31.Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: 32.Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: 33.But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. 34.And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.[/B]John 6:39.39.And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.44.No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. 45.It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me. (Isaiah 54:17.)John 16:13 (King James Version)13.Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.1 John 2:27 (King James Version)27.But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.John 17:3 (King James Version)3.And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.17Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.17.Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.John 6:63. 63.It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. I have felt the LORD tell me to remain with the King James version for meaning. The writers of the king James translations were sticklers for not changing the meaning of adding to the words of God.The Lord Jesus spoke about the 10 virgins, all had believed and received by the oil of the Spirit the truth about Christ. But only 5 of them continued to be regularly tend their lamps and refill with oil from the supplier our Father in heaven. Jesus making it plain that we have to continue in the way of truth through Christ and the Spirit. For the Spirit teaches us and leads us into all truth, telling us of things to come.The way we refill is to be obedient to what he teaches us. And I believe that when we obey the teachings of the gospel by accepting Christ and repenting of our sins,and then showing love for Jesus, by obeying the commandments to love God and others. These things bring us into fellowship with Christ, God and the receiving from God of his Spirit. We should always seek to live by the truth in the bible, and that means faith. For the way God puts people right and imputes righteousness today is by faith in the truth about Christ. I believe that we need to obey what we receive and that faith believes and receives all God promises us. So I see and understand where you are coming from.Love Faithful.xx:):angel9::study:
 

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Hi Superjag,Jeremiah 31:31-34.Jeremiah 31:31-34 (King James Version) 31.Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: 32.Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: 33.But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. 34.And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.[/B]John 6:39.39.And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.44.No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. 45.It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me. (Isaiah 54:17.)John 16:13 (King James Version)13.Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.1 John 2:27 (King James Version)27.But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.John 17:3 (King James Version)3.And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.17Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.17.Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.John 6:63. 63.It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. I have felt the LORD tell me to remain with the King James version for meaning. The writers of the king James translations were sticklers for not changing the meaning of adding to the words of God.The Lord Jesus spoke about the 10 virgins, all had believed and received by the oil of the Spirit the truth about Christ. But only 5 of them continued to be regularly tend their lamps and refill with oil from the supplier our Father in heaven. Jesus making it plain that we have to continue in the way of truth through Christ and the Spirit. For the Spirit teaches us and leads us into all truth, telling us of things to come.The way we refill is to be obedient to what he teaches us. And I believe that when we obey the teachings of the gospel by accepting Christ and repenting of our sins,and then showing love for Jesus, by obeying the commandments to love God and others. These things bring us into fellowship with Christ, God and the receiving from God of his Spirit. We should always seek to live by the truth in the bible, and that means faith. For the way God puts people right and imputes righteousness today is by faith in the truth about Christ. I believe that we need to obey what we receive and that faith believes and receives all God promises us. So I see and understand where you are coming from.Love Faithful.xx:):angel9::study:
Dear FaithfulThank you for the reply and numerous scriptures. I have enjoyed it. But I'm not exactly teaching people at all. I am showing people the awareness of evil, because I am aware of where evil is at. So, I'll stick with the KJV.(Biblical Tetragramaton;19646)
Dear Superjag, Thank you for the most colourful posts I've ever seen in my life.However, Nova was on to something. If you understood how translation works, you'd see how hilarious what you are saying really is. (Nova)
Jag, it would probably help you to understand how Bible translation works. It has been a long time since I studied this, so my dates may be off, but here goes.The New Testament was written in Aramaic & Greek. The last disciple of Jesus to die was John. And he died in about 70AD. Paul's letters were in Greek. The only way the "written word" was spread was either by word of mouth. Or by coping a letter.It wasn't til around 350AD the Christian leaders decided on what should be included in our New Testament. There was a big debate about even including Revelation, for example.Modern translators collect & compare as many of the early writings as they can find. The differences you mention, come from the fact, that some of the copies of the letters have those words & some don't. So the translator has to make an intelligent guess. Another source, is the parallel texts. There were early Christians who spoke Coptic, Ethioptic (remember the Ethiopian urchin) & Syriac. So there are also other sources (early on) that can be used as comparison.It is alot harder than it appears on the surface. But you may enjoy reading up on it.
Yeah.. quite a few things are off here, but just the same, the point is good. I won't bother correcting you, as my point is to reach superjag here.Superjag, the main point is that translations of the Bible are done using our best tools, and all our resources. You have to understand that when the KJV was made, they didn't have all the resources, the ancient texts that we have today, and they certainly didn't give them due examination.Think about it logically, if one translation say something, but not a single other says that, regardless of which translation stands alone, the stand alone translation is logically the most probably wrong. Here, with the KJV, we can see that directly, even in many of the passages you've chosen. The KJV contains things not written by the Apostles, or Prophets, Period. Modern translations don't 'take these things out'. Instead, they simply don't 'include them even though the early texts didn't say that at all'. (Kriss)
I'll still take my KJV with my strongs to Hebrew and Greek and it is the closet to the dead Sea scrolls some of the oldest texts found. given its well documented few errors its still the best in my book
ah, comic.These misunderstandings are rampant. The Dead Sea Scrolls were a resource for more modern translations and not the KJV. One of the things which helped us improve our understanding of the original scriptures was the Dead Sea Scrolls. They are more in contrast with the KJV than modern translations.I have already tried to explain this to you. [url="http://www.christianityboard.com/kjv-vs-other-translations-t3907.html]http://www.christianityboard.com/kjv-vs-ot...ions-t3907.html[/url]I also link from there to another post in another thread where I bring out my evidences in depth. Ignore it or not, what I wrote doesn't go away. I hope you read and consider it.~TyrelDear BT,The words in green...you are quite welcome that my posts are so colourful, but, I didn't make it that way, just to do it. I did it to bring FOCUS and ATTENTION.Other than that...your sword is broken, would you mind to put your sword away and take it to the swordsmith to repair it, please? I'm sure he would be of great help.Much love, Jag
 

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Other than that...your sword is broken, would you mind to put your sword away and take it to the swordsmith to repair it, please? I'm sure he would be of great help.
I hear that they will give a person a new sword if he trades in his academic high-horse.
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Well, this has taken an ugly turn. Folks, we bring shame on the unity of Christ when we namecall. What wisdom is it to debate which version of the Bible is best, then not apply the word we know?
 

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Well, this has taken an ugly turn. Folks, we bring shame on the unity of Christ when we namecall. What wisdom is it to debate which version of the Bible is best, then not apply the word we know?
Since you clearly miss the point...I'm not going to repeat it, but I'll let the Word speak.Luke 12:51 - Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division: For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three. The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.Much love, Jag
 

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Jag, that scripture reference was to differentiate those in Christ & those not in Christ. Please read John 17. We are both in Christ. We have a duty to one another because of that.You have a passion for truth, which is a good thing. Go learn how Bible translation is done (for any version). I earnestly believe it will help you have a better appreciation of the Bible.
 

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Jag, that scripture reference was to differentiate those in Christ & those not in Christ. Please read John 17. We are both in Christ. We have a duty to one another because of that.You have a passion for truth, which is a good thing. Go learn how Bible translation is done (for any version). I earnestly believe it will help you have a better appreciation of the Bible.
I can't do that. It's like asking and saying this to me... "Jag, please respect Satan as he is an arch angel once and he wouldn't lie would he?"