The Ascent of the Antichrist

veteran · Jul 27, 2013

BLACK SHEEP said:
Veteran said,

Well enough isn't good enough for me. Pas and holos are two different words with two different meanings which is clear by the text they are used in. Not only do you disregard that. You also disregard the fact that all is used 7-8 different ways and disregard the way the word pas is used elsewhere! You don't want to see or admit that because it proves globalism wrong.

A seven area divided earth? How fabricated! Hey! Some globalist say it's a ten area divided earth!

How about taking it just as it's written? Seven heads and ten horns! Seven kings with ten countries! Or at least something similar to that. To say this is the earth broken up into 7 sections is s pipe dream!

I really don't know what your actual aim within all this is, because I could list tons of documentation to prove the long-range plans for a "one world government", and... the globalist internationalists own words to show that's exactly what they are working towards for all nations today.

But really, all I have mention is the title 'United Nations', and that's enough cover all of that.

Now if your mind is so limited in scope so as not be able to recognize the history and working of that U.N. group over all nations today, and those behind it per its long-range history, then I can see how you'd have problems understanding their plan for a one world government.

Even in Cleon Skousen's 1958 work The Naked Communist, he documented one of the long-range goals of the Soviet Communists was for a "one world government". Skousen was an FBI agent for 16 years covering the period after WWII.

BLACK SHEEP · Jul 28, 2013

I really don't know what your actual aim within all this is, because I could list tons of documentation to prove the long-range plans for a "one world government", and... the globalist internationalists own words to show that's exactly what they are working towards for all nations today.

My aim is to disprove globalism! It's not found in the bible and is one of Christianity's major eschatological blunders!

But really, all I have mention is the title 'United Nations', and that's enough cover all of that.

It's enough to cover nothing! It was believed that the League of Nations was the beast, then Hitler's Germany, then Rome, then the U.N., then the EU, now it's the earth divided into 7 or 10 pieces. None of it is biblical because a united one world religion or government is a pipe dream devised by people who don't have a reliable hermeneutic or know how to interpret biblical words. Even when the different meaning of those words are explained to you you disregard it because they debunk globalism. Revelation 13 and 17 are excellent chapters to explain the different uses of the word all but again you seem to think out of the 130 words for all they all mean the same thing and they don't! And you refuse to accept how the word all is used in other passages where it does not mean the entirety of the whole!

Now if your mind is so limited in scope so as not be able to recognize the history and working of that U.N. group over all nations today, and those behind it per its long-range history, then I can see how you'd have problems understanding their plan for a one world government.

You're the one who is limiting your bible knowledge by refusing to see the different ways the word all is used. I don't care what the world thinks or believes. I care about what the bible teaches on the matter and it teaches a ten nation empire and doesn't imply a united one world religion at all!

Even in Cleon Skousen's 1958 work The Naked Communist, he documented one of the long-range goals of the Soviet Communists was for a "one world government". Skousen was an FBI agent for 16 years covering the period after WWII.

What does it matter what Cleon and the rest of the secular world believes. I care about what the bible teaches!
The world and Prophecy was written to fool you! And that it has accomplished!

Jesus related that kingdom beast there directly to the old beast kingdoms of history per the Book of Daniel. If you know anything about that per the Book of Daniel, then you should have remembered the Daniel Scripture about the final beast kingdom for the end of feet of ten toes made up of part clay and part iron, and how it is written that ALL those kingdom beasts are to fall TOGETHER when Christ returns to strike it upon its feet.

Remember me telling you that the word mixed that describes the iron and clay is the word 'arab' and has nothing to do with the U.N, the EU, Rome, the U.S. or anything else. All the kingdoms depicted in Daniel 2 are all mid-East kingdoms. The iron and clay describe a specific people and those people are the Arabs. The Arab's are just as the passage describes. Intermarried, divided, not cleaved to one another...etc. And you're trying to tell me this is a united one world government?

Furthermore, our Lord Jesus explained what the 'seven heads' are...
Rev 17:9
9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
(KJV)

The word sitteth means to occupy. All that verse is saying is that Babylon the Great, (ISLAM) will occupy, or be the religion of, this 7/10 empire.

Rev 13:7-9
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

I realize that you don't know, or maybe more you don't care, that the word all in verse 7 is the word pas......NOT HOLOS! If the word holos was used then the passage would imply the entire world. But since the word pas is used which means individually, it simply means that the man of sin has power over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations within his power and within his kingdom.

In verse 8 it doesn't mean that all the people of the earth will worship him. First of all the word all or pas means that only those whose names are not written in the book of life, and under his power. Worship of the beast will extend outside of his ten nation kingdom since Islam is a global religion. Muslim's will worship him worldwide. But that doesn't mean the man of sin is a global dictator. The word earth doesn't mean the entire planet!
The word earth is the word 'ge.' It's primary use doesn't indicate the planet as a whole.

1) arable land
2) the ground, the earth as a standing place
3) the main land as opposed to the sea or water
4) the earth as a whole
a) the earth as opposed to the heavens
the inhabited earth, the abode of men and animals
5) a country, land enclosed within fixed boundaries, a tract of land, territory, region

My good brother at Shalach Ministries said...

In Dan. 9:27; 11:40-45 Antichrist takes over Israel and many other countries, "but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon," which would be today's modern Jordan and Arabia. If these countries escape Antichrist, these being on the very border of Palestine which itself will not escape him, then it is easily conceivable that many countries across the vast world will also escape him.
In Dan. 11:44-45 it states that the countries North and East of the 10 Kingdoms under Antichrist will make war on him. These countries too, then, are not ruled by him and are not therefore forced to take the Mark either.

In Rev. 16:13-16 we have 3 Unclean Spirits like Frogs going forth working miracles through ambassadors thus seeking the cooperation of many nations to help Antichrist against Jesus Christ at Armageddon. These also will not have been conquered by him or be under his direct authority, or they would not have to be persuaded to help him at Armageddon. If the Antichrist ruled them and they loved him enough to worship him and take his Mark, such demonic ministries would be completely unnecessary.
In Rev. 13:4 we have proof that there are nations whom the Antichrist has not conquered. If ALL nations were under the DICTATORIAL RULE of the man Antichrist, it would be somewhat foolish to raise the question about, who can conquer him.

Therefore, what does Rev. 13:1-2 actually mean if it is not describing and defining the geographical Empire of the Beast…MOUTH of a Lion (Babylonian Empire), FEET of a Bear (Medo-Persian Empire), BODY of a Leopard (Grecian Empire) and the 10 Horns (KINGS) that will come OUT OF the former Roman Empire - which were all component fragments of former Empires. Where are all of the symbols of the other nations of the WORLD (China, India, the Americas, Southern Africa, etc.,) if they are submissive participants of the global phenomenon?

Thus, in order for those who support the misguided theology of a ONE WORLD SYSTEM ruled by the man Anti-Christ to have any creditability whatsoever, they must reconcile Dan. 7:23 and Dan. 2:39-39, which uses this very SAME type of Rev. 13:7 synecdoche language, with the FACTS of history that reveal by logical default, that these cited verses were ONLY prophetically intended as a figure of speech, and no more.

Moreover, they must also explain and recognize John’s LITERAL description of the Beast Kingdom in Rev. 13:1-2, where he takes great pains in explaining its configuration, while revealing the absence of ALL of the other nations of the world.
Revelation 13:7 (KJV)

7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
In summary, what is unfortunately being promoted by many from the above Passage, is that there will be a One World Dictator, a One World Religious System, a One World Government, and a One World Monetary System…which in and of itself CANNOT be supported nor validated by Scripture.
However, sad to say, those who are so adamant about this theology, just simply choose to ignore ALL of the other relevant Scriptures of both Daniel, Revelation and clarifying CONTEXT, that clearly reveals that this is a synecdoche.

Meanwhile, there is a vast difference between DICTATORIALLY RULING over people(s) and that of INFLUENCING people(s).
Americans are indeed being INFLUENCED by Muslims and Islam (especially economically), but we are by no means, here in our homeland, being beheaded by them, nor being forced to observe their much beloved Sharia Law or worship their PAGAN god ALLAH.
As such, I am pleased to report that more and more individuals who are avid students of the Word and weighing the preponderance of its evidence, are coming to realize this so called mega monster is nothing more than hyperbole, in terms of its speculative GLOBAL DOMINION.

http://www.shalach.org/index.htm

veteran · Jul 29, 2013

BLACK SHEEP said:
My aim is to disprove globalism! It's not found in the bible and is one of Christianity's major eschatological blunders!

You'll never... be able to do that. All I have to do is mention the first beast of Rev.13:1-2 which Jesus defined in the Rev.17:15 verse, and also with the symbolic association with the beast kingdoms of the Book of Daniel.

They have LIED to you. Don't know what your association with the "one world goverment" hosts is, and I don't really care. But you're not going to convince anyone here that plan does not exist, not anyone who knows what internationalist groups like the United Nations is about anyway.

Maybe you ought to take some time out of read through the documents of the United Nation's founders, and their stated aims and goals?

Or, maybe you have, and know it by heart, since I suspect your adamate repulsiveness about the idea could mean you're actually helping to do its work.

I guess their aims for a "one world currency" is just hype also per your view.

How long have you been working for them??

BLACK SHEEP · Jul 30, 2013

veteran said:
You'll never... be able to do that. All I have to do is mention the first beast of Rev.13:1-2 which Jesus defined in the Rev.17:15 verse, and also with the symbolic association with the beast kingdoms of the Book of Daniel.

They have LIED to you. Don't know what your association with the "one world goverment" hosts is, and I don't really care. But you're not going to convince anyone here that plan does not exist, not anyone who knows what internationalist groups like the United Nations is about anyway.

Maybe you ought to take some time out of read through the documents of the United Nation's founders, and their stated aims and goals?

Or, maybe you have, and know it by heart, since I suspect your adamate repulsiveness about the idea could mean you're actually helping to do its work.

I guess their aims for a "one world currency" is just hype also per your view.

How long have you been working for them?

Your faith is in the documents of the United Nations. I put my faith in the inspired word of God.

Most of us believe in the inspired Word of God. And that's why I look at every Word spoken in His Word for interpretation. The word inspired means God breathed or God spoke. When God spoke to His servants the prophets, He spoke to them in the language they also spoke, understood, and wrote. So one of the most important parts of my hermeneutic is to research the definition of the words in the text in the language God (Jesus) spoke it in and the language it was written in. And look at how those same biblical words are used elsewhere in the bible...and accept the definition of those words regardless if it goes against what I already believe.

If you believe in the inspired Word of God. You would understand why He used the word HOLOS in Rev.13:3 and PAS in Revelation 13:7,8,12,16.
But you don't want to see or understand it because it proves globalism wrong and you put your faith in secularism! i.e. The UN!

KevinMiller · Jul 31, 2013

It feels so good when you read websites like this. You get to strengthen your faith even more especially when you read the bible verses about the Son of Man. Every Christian should be familiar with this site.

1 Timothy 4:1
1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

Matthew 24:11
And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
However, the tribulations have to start before the return of Jesus! The 6th and 7th Seal has yet to be opened!

veteran · Jul 31, 2013

kaotic profit said:
Your faith is in the documents of the United Nations. I put my faith in the inspired word of God.

Most of us believe in the inspired Word of God. And that's why I look at every Word spoken in His Word for interpretation. The word inspired means God breathed or God spoke. When God spoke to His servants the prophets, He spoke to them in the language they also spoke, understood, and wrote. So one of the most important parts of my hermeneutic is to research the definition of the words in the text in the language God (Jesus) spoke it in and the language it was written in. And look at how those same biblical words are used elsewhere in the bible...and accept the definition of those words regardless if it goes against what I already believe.

If you believe in the inspired Word of God. You would understand why He used the word HOLOS in Rev.13:3 and PAS in Revelation 13:7,8,12,16.
But you don't want to see or understand it because it proves globalism wrong and you put your faith in secularism! i.e. The UN!

My Faith is in my Heavenly Father and His Son Jesus Christ, and NONE OTHER.

Your faith is in THIS world, because by denial of the things getting ready to come upon this earth involving that one-world beast kingdom our Lord warned us about, means... you have become a part OF IT! There is NO... middle road. You are either for it, or you are against it. And I well know a lot of so-called Christian Churches are in SUPPORT of that one-world beast kingdom in helping it to come into completion for the end. But those churches are not REAL Christian Churches, they are Beth-Avens (houses of vanity). And when God's Breath blows to end this present world at Christ's coming, those beth-avens are going to be like paper card houses in a wind storm.

I am against that one-world beast kingdom system, because I KNOW what it is about per God's Holy Writ. I listen to Him and not man.

Rocky Wiley · Jul 31, 2013

KevinMiller said:
It feels so good when you read websites like this. You get to strengthen your faith even more especially when you read the bible verses about the Son of Man. Every Christian should be familiar with this site.

1 Timothy 4:1
1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

Matthew 24:11
And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
However, the tribulations have to start before the return of Jesus! The 6th and 7th Seal has yet to be opened!

hi kevin,

Welcome to the the forum.

I always like to quote scripture to prove a point. How can you prove the 6th and 7th seal has not been opened.

Just wondering.

BLACK SHEEP · Jul 31, 2013

veteran said:
My Faith is in my Heavenly Father and His Son Jesus Christ, and NONE OTHER.

Your faith is in THIS world, because by denial of the things getting ready to come upon this earth involving that one-world beast kingdom our Lord warned us about, means... you have become a part OF IT! There is NO... middle road. You are either for it, or you are against it. And I well know a lot of so-called Christian Churches are in SUPPORT of that one-world beast kingdom in helping it to come into completion for the end. But those churches are not REAL Christian Churches, they are Beth-Avens (houses of vanity). And when God's Breath blows to end this present world at Christ's coming, those beth-avens are going to be like paper card houses in a wind storm.

I am against that one-world beast kingdom system, because I KNOW what it is about per God's Holy Writ. I listen to Him and not man.

What I'm saying Veteran is that the faith you put in globalism is expressed more in the UN and the NWO.
It's funny that you think I'm going to be part of the anti-christ kingdom just because I have a reliable method of interpretation and your method comes from secular theories of the future.

Every Church I go to believes like you do. But I don't believe a word the prophecy experts teach without questioning it. I've thrown out the entire ball of eschatological wax promoted by people like Hal Lindsey, Jimmie DeYoung, Ed Hindson, Jack Van Impe, etc.etc,

If you listen to God and not man then why are you looking at and draw your conclusion from the UN and New World Order and then disregard God's inspired word? He inspired John to use two different words for all in Rev. 13. You don't seem to care about that because it debunks globalism.

veteran · Aug 2, 2013

kaotic profit said:
What I'm saying Veteran is that the faith you put in globalism is expressed more in the UN and the NWO.

Even your statement like that one is from the devil himself! I do NOT put ANY faith of any kind, in that one-world globalist system, which is Satan's one-world beast kingdom that comes up out of the sea per Rev.13:1-2. Statements you make like that are nothing but a LIE, and from the father of LIES.

kaotic profit said:
It's funny that you think I'm going to be part of the anti-christ kingdom just because I have a reliable method of interpretation and your method comes from secular theories of the future.

I once had doubts you were in agreement with it in your previous posts, but now I am more certain that you are, howbeit possibly unknowingly on your part.

So do you SUPPORT the rebuilding of another Jewish temple in Jerusalem today? If yes, then it means you do support that coming beast kingdom, for Christ Jesus ONLY had to die once for all time as a sacrifice for sin. Animal sacrifices in Jerusalem again will NOT... save anyone.

kaotic profit said:
Every Church I go to believes like you do. But I don't believe a word the prophecy experts teach without questioning it. I've thrown out the entire ball of eschatological wax promoted by people like Hal Lindsey, Jimmie DeYoung, Ed Hindson, Jack Van Impe, etc.etc,

Maybe you ought to LISTEN to what those Churches are warning you about then! FYI, what the Pre-Trib prophets say about it CANNOT be used how YOU are trying to use it.

I well know the Pre-Trib prophets only warn against one-worldism to further their claims of a rapture out prior to the tribulation, but they are STILL correct about warning against the one-world globalist beast kingdom that will be setup over all nations for the last days, per Rev.13. Their aim for warning about it is simply for the worng reason, as a scare tactic to get people to believe in a pre-trib rapture mainly. Not every doctrine they teach is wrong, otherwise it would be easy for all believers to fathom the lie they do push.

kaotic profit said:
If you listen to God and not man then why are you looking at and draw your conclusion from the UN and New World Order and then disregard God's inspired word? He inspired John to use two different words for all in Rev. 13. You don't seem to care about that because it debunks globalism.

Yes, I listen to God in His Word through His Son Jesus Christ, by The Holy Spirit He promised those who believe on Him. Do you doubt that Promise?

You must doubt that Promise, because IF... you listened to The LORD YHVH and His Son Yeshu'a Messiah Jesus Christ, then you would be well within heeding His warning about that future one-world system over all nations and peoples upon the earth.

Your statement that God's Word "debunks" the idea of that one-world globalist system is nothing but a LIE.

And because... you CLAIM The Word of God doesn't speak against it, that makes you an accomplice to that one-world government system, even now!

BLACK SHEEP · Aug 2, 2013

Here are few logical questions for you. Answer them please.

How is one man going to unite the world's religions? How would one man have the power to convince every religion on the planet to unite and "follow him?"

How is one man going to unite the world's governments? What makes you think that world governments would just relinquish their governing authority to one man?

How is he going to do it? How would one man unite the globe peaceably?

No empire that tried to rule the world ever did it peaceably. To take another country causes war and nobody will ever do it by peace.

I determine my interpretation through my word studies which is just one part of a good hermeneutic. That's what I believe works for me and I'll stick with it.
People tend to have their beliefs written in stone and not willing to budge. Their going to believe what they want regardless of the scriptural evidence.

I know you've got your mind made up and doubt you'll ever change it.

veteran · Aug 3, 2013

kaotic profit said:
Here are few logical questions for you. Answer them please.

How is one man going to unite the world's religions? How would one man have the power to convince every religion on the planet to unite and "follow him?"

How is one man going to unite the world's governments? What makes you think that world governments would just relinquish their governing authority to one man?

How is he going to do it? How would one man unite the globe peaceably?

No empire that tried to rule the world ever did it peaceably. To take another country causes war and nobody will ever do it by peace.

I determine my interpretation through my word studies which is just one part of a good hermeneutic. That's what I believe works for me and I'll stick with it.
People tend to have their beliefs written in stone and not willing to budge. Their going to believe what they want regardless of the scriptural evidence.

I know you've got your mind made up and doubt you'll ever change it.

Do you, or do you not, support the rebuilding of a Jewish temple today in Jerusalem to start up the Old Covenant style of worship with animal sacrifices and a Levitical priesthood?

BLACK SHEEP · Aug 3, 2013

veteran said:
Do you, or do you not, support the rebuilding of a Jewish temple today in Jerusalem to start up the Old Covenant style of worship with animal sacrifices and a Levitical priesthood?

That's not a good answer to my questions! We were talking about globalism.

The questions are......

How is one man going to unite the world's religions? How would one man have the power to convince every religion on the planet to unite and "follow him?"

How is one man going to unite the world's governments? What makes you think that world governments would just relinquish their governing authority to one man?

How is he going to do it? How would one man unite the globe peaceably?

No empire that tried to rule the world ever did it peaceably. To take another country causes war and nobody will ever do it by peace.

I determine my interpretation through my word studies which is just one part of a good hermeneutic. That's what I believe works for me and I'll stick with it.
People tend to have their beliefs written in stone and not willing to budge. Their going to believe what they want regardless of the scriptural evidence.

I know you've got your mind made up and doubt you'll ever change it.

Over the centuries countless people and books have misidentified the harlot of Revelation 17. She's been linked to Rome, Catholicism, an apostate Church, the EU, the United States, the UN, and a One World Government. The churches eschatology about the entire chapter of Revelation 13 and 19 is flawed. It's an old view that can easily be proven wrong.

Revelation 17:1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:

Revelation 17:2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.

The word fornication comes from these words. Check it out.

porneuō which means; to prostitute one's body (man or woman) to the lust of another and implies, " excessive indulgence." porneuō comes from the word pornē which is a woman who sells her body for sexual uses (and the word used for the whore in Revelation 17:1) which comes from the word pornos which means a whoremonger or a man who prostitutes his body to another's lust for hire. Which comes from the word, "pipraskō" which means, 'to sell!' That word comes from an earlier form, perao, "to carry across the sea, the region beyond the opposite shore for the purpose of selling or to export." OIL~!

The word 'sitteth' means to occupy and have a 'fixed abode'. That means Islam or "Babylon the Great" is the religion of the beast.

In Revelation 17 John is taken by the Spirit into the wilderness which is better translated "the desert," to be shown the judgment of the great whore (Islam). The Desert is where Mecca and Medina reside. Islam has also been called "the desert religion." The birthplace of Babylon the Great and the Whore of Babylon is in the desert of Arabia a place called Mecca, another city of seven hills, and Medina, called the Glory of Kedar in the OT. Makes you wonder why the experts point the finger toward Rome doesn't it?

Revelation 17:3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

Mecca and Medina reside in the desert and "I think" Mecca has ten spires and seven entrances.

I know the church has traditionally taught that this beast depicts a progression of world empires starting with Egypt that would lead up to the final empire of the beast. I have never accepted this "succession of world empires" view.
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I see this beast as a complete end-time entity and believe the creation of this beast will be the result of the apostasy the Arab/Islamic world is in today.

rjp34652@yahoo.com · Aug 4, 2013

JB_ said:
As servants of Christ, faithful pastors have no choice but to identify the Antichrist whenever he exalts himself. This is no “anti-Catholicism.” We love our Catholic neighbors; we love them so much that we would rather they not go to hell! To that end, every faithful minister of the gospel must speak the truth. Pope Francis is the Antichrist. He is the man of sin and the son of perdition, and one day he will be destroyed by the brightness of the coming of the Lord.

Tom Chantry

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This is nothing more than Catholic bashing. Well written, well documented, but totally erroneous.

The anti-Christ will not be the bishop of Rome. Dump your bias in the toilet where it belongs and look elsewhere for the demons you fear.

He who swears falsely and uses vain words to denounce the Most High will not wear the triple crown of the lord of the Vatican.

You are wasting your time if you seek demons in the Holy See. You may even be found guilty of accusing a brother in Christ.

The anti-Christ and his armies will come from the levant, not Italy.

Abandon your bigotry and do your homework - look it up. Use your head for something besides a hat rack.

And if you can't say something good about the pope, who is a better man than you, find something else to write about.

and that's just me, hollering from the choir loft...

BLACK SHEEP · Aug 4, 2013

As servants of Christ, faithful pastors have no choice but to identify the Antichrist whenever he exalts himself. This is no “anti-Catholicism.” We love our Catholic neighbors; we love them so much that we would rather they not go to hell! To that end, every faithful minister of the gospel must speak the truth. Pope Francis is the Antichrist. He is the man of sin and the son of perdition, and one day he will be destroyed by the brightness of the coming of the Lord.

"The Muslim Brotherhood’s creed is:

God is our objective; the Koran is our law; the Prophet is our leader; jihad is our way; and death for the sake of Allah is the highest of our aspirations.

Creeds of the Catholic Church are...

THE APOSTLE'S CREED has been handed down to us from the Apostles themselves, hence the name. It is the shortest of the three creeds, and undoubtedly the best known, as it is the simplest profession of the Catholic and Apostolic Faith. The Apostle's Creed contains all the articles the other ones have, though in a very simplified form.
This is the Creed which forms the basis for our Catechisms...

I believe in God, the Father almighty, creator of heaven and earth. I believe in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord. He was conceived by the power of the Holy Spirit and born of the Virgin Mary. He suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died, and was buried. He descended to the dead. On the third day he rose again. He ascended into heaven, and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again to judge the living and the dead. I believe in the Holy Spirit, the holy catholic Church, the communion of saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and the life everlasting. Amen.

THE CREED OF NICAEA (325)... This was the original Nicene Creed. It was revised and finalized at the Council of Constantinople in 381...

We believe in one God the Father All-sovereign, maker of all things. And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, begotten of the Father, only-begotten, that is, of the substance of the Father, God of God, Light of Light, true God of true God, begotten not made, of one substance with the Father, through whom all things were made, things in heaven and things on the earth; who for us men and for our salvation came down and was made flesh, and became man, suffered, and rose on the third day, ascended into the heavens, and is coming to judge living and dead. And in the Holy Spirit. And those that say 'There was when he was not,' and, 'Before he was begotten he was not,' and that, 'He came into being from what-is-not,' or those that allege, that the son of God is 'Of another substance or essence' or 'created,' or 'changeable' or 'alterable,' these the Catholic and Apostolic Church anathematizes.

THE NICENE CREED (more properly called the Nicene-Constantinople Creed), came to us in its final form from the great Council of Constantinople in 381. This is the Creed which Catholics recite at the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass...

We believe in one God, the Father, the Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all that is, seen and unseen. We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father, God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, of one Being with the Father. Through him all things were made. For us and for our salvation he came down from heaven. By the power of the Holy Spirit he became incarnate from the Virgin Mary, and was made man. For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate, he suffered death and was buried. On the third day he rose again in accordance with the Scriptures. He ascended in heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, and his kingdom will have no end. We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father [and the Son]. With the Father and the Son he is worshiped and glorified. He has spoken through the Prophets. We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church. We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins. We look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.

Antichrist verses are...

Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

If you know anything about Catholicism at all you should see that we are not antichrist. Neither are we "wicked people" like one member said.
Rome's past and the preconceived Protestant mindset that followed did influence their translations and teachings. The attitude of unity and oneness was considered bad so Christian unification was suppressed because Protestant's believe that Rome was heretical, the beast, and would unite the church or the world's religion's.

People can complain about the Catholic's all they want. I like tradition, the sacraments, the rituals, and Catholic's Churches and statues. It doesn't mean I pray or worship statues and neither does any other Catholic I know. We are there because we are Christian's walking the same road you are. We all visit one anothers churches where I live. If you want to be spiritually moved someday go to a Catholic stations of the Cross.

It's not the pope, cardinal's, bishop's, priest's, altar boys or Catholic's committing the abominations of the earth today. It's Muslim's!

veteran · Aug 4, 2013

kaotic profit said:
That's not a good answer to my questions! We were talking about globalism.

The questions are......

How is one man going to unite the world's religions? How would one man have the power to convince every religion on the planet to unite and "follow him?"

How is one man going to unite the world's governments? What makes you think that world governments would just relinquish their governing authority to one man?

How is he going to do it? How would one man unite the globe peaceably?

No empire that tried to rule the world ever did it peaceably. To take another country causes war and nobody will ever do it by peace.

I determine my interpretation through my word studies which is just one part of a good hermeneutic. That's what I believe works for me and I'll stick with it.
People tend to have their beliefs written in stone and not willing to budge. Their going to believe what they want regardless of the scriptural evidence.

I know you've got your mind made up and doubt you'll ever change it.

Over the centuries countless people and books have misidentified the harlot of Revelation 17. She's been linked to Rome, Catholicism, an apostate Church, the EU, the United States, the UN, and a One World Government. The churches eschatology about the entire chapter of Revelation 13 and 19 is flawed. It's an old view that can easily be proven wrong.

Revelation 17:1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:

Revelation 17:2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.

The word fornication comes from these words. Check it out.

porneuō which means; to prostitute one's body (man or woman) to the lust of another and implies, " excessive indulgence." porneuō comes from the word pornē which is a woman who sells her body for sexual uses (and the word used for the whore in Revelation 17:1) which comes from the word pornos which means a whoremonger or a man who prostitutes his body to another's lust for hire. Which comes from the word, "pipraskō" which means, 'to sell!' That word comes from an earlier form, perao, "to carry across the sea, the region beyond the opposite shore for the purpose of selling or to export." OIL~!

The word 'sitteth' means to occupy and have a 'fixed abode'. That means Islam or "Babylon the Great" is the religion of the beast.

In Revelation 17 John is taken by the Spirit into the wilderness which is better translated "the desert," to be shown the judgment of the great whore (Islam). The Desert is where Mecca and Medina reside. Islam has also been called "the desert religion." The birthplace of Babylon the Great and the Whore of Babylon is in the desert of Arabia a place called Mecca, another city of seven hills, and Medina, called the Glory of Kedar in the OT. Makes you wonder why the experts point the finger toward Rome doesn't it?

Revelation 17:3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

Mecca and Medina reside in the desert and "I think" Mecca has ten spires and seven entrances.

I know the church has traditionally taught that this beast depicts a progression of world empires starting with Egypt that would lead up to the final empire of the beast. I have never accepted this "succession of world empires" view.
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I see this beast as a complete end-time entity and believe the creation of this beast will be the result of the apostasy the Arab/Islamic world is in today.

If you are a true believer on Jesus of Nazareth as The Christ Messiah, and His sacrifice upon the cross being for one and all time, then my question should not be hard to answer.

BLACK SHEEP · Aug 4, 2013

veteran said:
If you are a true believer on Jesus of Nazareth as The Christ Messiah, and His sacrifice upon the cross being for one and all time, then my question should not be hard to answer.

My question isn't difficult to answer either! Why don'y you answer my question first. I've asked you those questions about globalism several times (close to a year ago!) in the past and you always avoid it!

How is one man going to unite the world's religions? How would one man have the power to convince every religion on the planet to unite and "follow him?"

How is one man going to unite the world's governments? What makes you think that world governments would just relinquish their governing authority to one man?

How is he going to do it? How would one man unite the globe peaceably?

Have the kindness and consideration to answer my questions and I'll answer yours!

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