Evil spirits in Christianity!!!!!

Jag, I'm confused here. Maybe I'm failing to communicate. Let me step back. We both believe the Bible is the inspired word of God given for our instruction. Yes?We can read the word in the original languages (ie Greek, Hebrew, etc.) Right?Or we can read a translation of those manuscripts into English. Right?Any translation uses the original manuscripts & languages as their base.

I think the comparisons that superjag gave is evidence enough that the newer translations don't compare to the KJV.I am very concerned when "firstborn" is dropped in favor of just "son" for instance. That changes the whole meaning of the text, it denies OT prophecy and as was pointed out, may even bring contradictions.I find it hard to believe that there is better information out there to help with the translations in this particular example. The reason I say this is if one notes, "firstborn" is a more precise term exchanged with a more general generic one i.e. "son".Now, isn't it coincidence that many in today's society loves shades of gray more than precise black and white text? Therefore, I can see ideologies slipping in here, because in this example, "son" is not a better or more explicit word than "firstborn".I'm 110% KJV only.

Well we do have Hebrew and Greek Interlinear Bibles,we have Concordances,and we have a mess load of various interpritations and versions.I personally like the NASB,but if I am preparing a sermon or studying for a rebuke I study everything I can get my hands on to get to the root of what is being presented by the Holy Spirit.I love the KJV because I was raised on it and it is what I studied right after being born again,but it is not perfect and neither are any of the rest,infallable maybe thru the Holy Spirit,but not perfect.We cannot hope to understand Gods complete perfection with any book,but we can get a glimpse if we are will to submit to His Spirit and overflow ourselves with every ounce of His word we can find.

(Kriss)
(tim_from_pa)
(thesuperjag)
Other than that...your sword is broken, would you mind to put your sword away and take it to the swordsmith to repair it, please? I'm sure he would be of great help.
I hear that they will give a person a new sword if he trades in his academic high-horse. This is not name calling its truth. If you cant handle the truth then read any politically corect bible you like.But do not chatize those that call it like it is.Dear Biblical TetragramatonYour posts are so laughable. Don't even try to reach me as you are wasting your time.(Nova)
Jag, I'm confused here. Maybe I'm failing to communicate. Let me step back.We both believe the Bible is the inspired word of God given for our instruction. Yes?We can read the word in the original languages (ie Greek, Hebrew, etc.) Right?Or we can read a translation of those manuscripts into English. Right?Any translation uses the original manuscripts & languages as their base.
Wrong, Not every bible is of God. In fact, I can't even find one after the KJV was born.I only take bible(s) that uses The Byzantine Texts. I can't trust a bible that uses The Alexandrian Texts.(RobinD69)
Well we do have Hebrew and Greek Interlinear Bibles,we have Concordances,and we have a mess load of various interpritations and versions.I personally like the NASB,but if I am preparing a sermon or studying for a rebuke I study everything I can get my hands on to get to the root of what is being presented by the Holy Spirit.I love the KJV because I was raised on it and it is what I studied right after being born again,but it is not perfect and neither are any of the rest,infallable maybe thru the Holy Spirit,but not perfect.We cannot hope to understand Gods complete perfection with any book,but we can get a glimpse if we are will to submit to His Spirit and overflow ourselves with every ounce of His word we can find.
Dear RobinD69Well, you see, Did you read the Original Post and my second posts on this topic? The KJV has been standing around for almost 400 years old and it hasn't yet been broken. But no other bibles can't be compared to God's Bible. And yes I'm aware there are other bibles used by God before 1611AD.Can our Lord be deceived according to the NASB/NASV?Psalm 78:36 NASB - But they deceived Him with their mouth And lied to Him with their tongue.Much love, JagLovest ye in Christ Yahshua our Lord and Saviour.

No He cannot be deceived,but man sure tries doesnt he.To flatter God is to try and deceive Him.Can God be flattered?I think He is beyond such trivial things.How about this;Is God all seeing or could Adam and Eve Hide from Him?Hey its in the KJV.

(RobinD69)
No He cannot be deceived,but man sure tries doesnt he.To flatter God is to try and deceive Him.Can God be flattered?I think He is beyond such trivial things.How about this;Is God all seeing or could Adam and Eve Hide from Him?Hey its in the KJV.
Well to be quite honest...in the oldé KJV, the word him, he etc (pronoun words) are always lowercase letters. They even use lowercase letters for not referring to God...so it makes us think twice, if it was referring to God or man...so it's like nearly impossible to be deceived, unless we read it wrong.Much love, JagLovest ye in Christ Yahshua our Lord and Saviour.

(thesuperjag;19712)
Well to be quite honest...in the oldé KJV, the word him, he etc (pronoun words) are always lowercase letters. They even use lowercase letters for not referring to God...so it makes us think twice, if it was referring to God or man...so it's like nearly impossible to be deceived, unless we read it wrong.Much love, JagLovest ye in Christ Yahshua our Lord and Saviour.
OK,How did this answer my question.Either God is all seeing or He isnt.But then again if we take the verse I presented in its proper context God knew where they were,but He was giving them the opportunity to admit their guilt.Likewise in the Psalms,God allows man to deceive himself into thinking he can deceive God.Therefor we have the blind un believers who think they are smarter than God and He just laughs at their efforts.

Each team of Bible translators interpreted the original Greek text in their own way, but no big deal, the basic message beneath the words usually comes through well enough.It's like different singers who all do their own version of well-known songs in their own way, using different musical arrangements and so on.As I said, I like the old KJV best for its straight-talking.

Good point,like always the elect have always been lazy and always will be and therefor many will find out that they are not the elect after all"Many will call me Lord Lord,and I will say depart from Me I knew you not".

(kriss;19736)
I call it fast food religion and we have our fast food Bibles lets make it quick and easy so what if there's a different message than whats intended from God. Its easy and fast.
Yes some translations are disgraceful. Personally I'd like to see someone write a book aimed at children (mostly) to get the message of parts of the Bible across in easy-to-understand language, for example something like this could illustrate Satans slyness -YUMMY by MickThe bible calls satan the great deceiver. the liar, the sly serpent who leads people up the garden path and drops them in it..SATAN - "Hmm, that fruit looks yummy.."EVE - "I'm not supposed to touch it"SATAN - "Don't be daft, if you don't have it somebody else will"EVE - "I'm forbidden to have it"SATAN - "Your skin looks a bit dry, fresh fruit would work wonders for your complexion"EVE - "Leave me alone!"SATAN - "It'll just rot if left on the tree, what a waste.."EVE - "Shut up"SATAN - "Crisp fruit's good for teeth, you don't want yours to turn black do you?"EVE - "Oh be quiet!"SATAN - "Okay okay, scuse me for breathing, none of my business if you want to end up looking like Ugly Betty"..EVE - "Hmm okay, I suppose I'd better eat it, but don't tell anyone"SATAN - "Sure, sure, you can trust me"..-------------------------------------------

This is insane.I have given my posts. I'm not sitting on an academic high horse any more than my sword is broken. The problem is, that Superjag, and you Kriss, have completely ignored my posts, yet again.Nova, Thank you for being a voice of reason. I've grown to respect you.Dear Superjag,(thesuperjag;19672)
I can't do that. It's like asking and saying this to me... "Jag, please respect Satan as he is an arch angel once and he wouldn't lie would he?"
(thesuperjag;19706)
Dear Biblical TetragramatonYour posts are so laughable. Don't even try to reach me as you are wasting your time.Wrong, Not every bible is of God. In fact, I can't even find one after the KJV was born.I only take bible(s) that uses The Byzantine Texts. I can't trust a bible that uses The Alexandrian Texts.
If you are sure that you don't want to take that blindfold off, then I won't make you. You're ignorance is your choice, and if you are sure that I shouldn't even try to reach you, as I am wasting my time, then I do sorrowfully digress. Everything you need has been given you.However, if I may once again inquire, as I think you ignored me last time, what constitutes Byzantine Texts, and what Constitutes Alexandrian texts? If by the Alexandrian texts you mean the Septuagint, then you don't trust Jerome's basis for the Latin Vulgate, which in turn was the basis for translating the first KJV. Furthermore, the Septuagint includes only books of the Old Testament and Deuterocanon. While the Byzantine New Testament, is likewise only the New Testament. I do not understand how one can choose one over the other, as they are not used for the same texts. Unless you are referring to something else in each case.Please, do me the favour of answering that for me, because I really don't understand.Other than that, disregard whatever you want. I wish you wouldn't, but there is really nothing I can do. The more I present you with evidences, the more you decline from reading my posts and considering what I have to say.

(Biblical Tetragramaton;19646)
...when the KJV was made, they didn't have all the resources, the ancient texts that we have today...
Ah, but when the KJV was made, the writers had a strong fearless mindset, backed by the King himself, whereas a lot of modern translators are cowardly, lukewarm, wishy-washy politically-correct wimps.. For example the KJV regularly describes heathens as 'heathens', whereas newer translators call them 'nations', such is their disgracefully spineless mindset..

thankyou for correcting me superjag because I was raised in the KJV then when I moved on my own I switched to the NIV and that was a mistake I now know. And even now when I really am wrong in my beliefs tears of repentance come out even before I speak the words. (Prayer) "I would like to ask God to forgive me for separating myself from the truth that I pushed myself away from." And this is my testimony to the world that I aspire to have a more teachable heart.

and I would like to confirm my oppinion with the verse from Rev. 22:18-19, 18 "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of this prophesy of this book. If any man shalll add unto unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophesy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of hte holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

(elmo)
thankyou for correcting me superjag because I was raised in the KJV then when I moved on my own I switched to the NIV and that was a mistake I now know. And even now when I really am wrong in my beliefs tears of repentance come out even before I speak the words. (Prayer) "I would like to ask God to forgive me for separating myself from the truth that I pushed myself away from." And this is my testimony to the world that I aspire to have a more teachable heart.
Dear elmoI am so glad to hear these words. It truly does make my heart joy. But I am not yet done attacking evil spirits. The truth needs to be out. But I'm not going to give myself glory. All honour, glory, and praise to the Lord Yahshua (Jesus) Christ to the glory of God the Father. (YHWH) It is indeed my pleasure to reach you and other lost people.Much love, JagLovest ye in Christ Yahshua our Lord and Saviour.

I like the KJV version the best also.I am interested in getting the Companion Bible soon.Maybe I'll get one for my birthday on Thursday from my wife!

KJV = King James Version, NIV = New Internation Version, NLT = New Living Translation, NWT (aka, Jehovah Witness) = New World Translation, ASV = American Standard Version, RSV = Revised Standard Version, NRSV = New Revised Standard Version, NASV/NASB = New American Standard Version, NCV = New Century Version, TM = The Message, ESV = English Standard Version, CEV = Contemporary English Version, NKJV = New King James Version, AmpV = Amplified Version, GNT = Good News Translation, DT = Darby Translation, NLV = New Life Version, HCSV/HCSB = Holman Christian Standard Version, YLT = Young's Literal TranslationAre there dinosaurs existed? (First Earth Age)Job 40:15-24 KJV - Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox. Lo now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is in the navel of his belly. He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together. His bones are as strong pieces of brass; his bones are like bars of iron. He is the chief of the ways of God: he that made him can make his sword to approach unto him. Surely the mountains bring him forth food, where all the beasts of the field play. He lieth under the shady trees, in the covert of the reed, and fens. The shady trees cover him with their shadow; the willows of the brook compass him about. Behold, he drinketh up a river, and hasteth not: he trusteth that he can draw up Jordan into his mouth. He taketh it with his eyes: his nose pierceth through snares.Job 40:15-24 CEV - I created both you and the hippopotamus. It eats only grass like an ox, but look at the mighty muscles in its body and legs. Its tail is like a cedar tree, and its thighs are thick. The bones in its legs, are like bronze or iron. I made it more powerful than any other creature, yet I am stronger still. Undisturbed, it eats grass while the other animals play nearby. It rests in the shade of trees along the riverbank or hides among reeds in the swamp. It remains calm and unafraid with the Jordan River rushing and splashing in its face. There is no way to capture a hippopotamus-- not even by hooking its nose or blinding its eyes.The description of the dinosaurs...in Job 40:15-24(Watchmen Bible Study Group)

• * 15, he was created in the first earth age, when God made the souls of man. * 16, it describes a large muscular body. * 17, it describes a tail like a Cedar tree; long and mighty. * 17, the "sinues of his stones" are stout strong legs. * 18, his bones are very strong and solid, large bone is strong. * 19, he is chief of all of God's kingdom, he is the mightiest of all animals (has no natural predator). * 20, they climb into the mountains. * 23, he doesn't have to be in fear of predators at the watering hole. * 23, when he drinks, he drinks allot, as though he could drink up the river Jordan. * 24, nothing can snare (trap) him, he is the chief of all creatures (see verse 19), and even his very nose is larger and more powerful than any trap that could be laid for him.

And to clear up the confusions...(Watchmen Bible Study Group)
Some Bible versions substitute the word 'behemoth' with 'hippopotamus', this is an incorrect translation and can be cleared up easily by referring to verse 17; verse 17 describes a tail like a Cedar tree; a hippo has a little 'pig tail'. God states in Job 40:17 "He moveth his tail like a cedar." A Brontosaurus (Apatosaurus) has a tail like the mighty Cedar tree, the Brontosaurus' tail grew to some thirty feet long, weighing over five tons. You've all seen the assembled skeletal remains in the museums.
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So you are telling me with all this hoopla that the Holy Spirit you are indwelled with is not powerful enough for you to see the truth in any other translation than the KJV.Ye of little faith.I can even read the JW Bible and see the truth because the Spirit guides me.Go back to the original Greek and Hebrew and stop relying on your inbreed brainwashing.I love the KJV,but I also love many different translations and version because the Spirit within me is more powerful than the spirit of this world.Get off your high horse you deny being on and reach people in ways they can understand.Alot of people cannot understand the KJV,especially new converts and children.Are you going to deny the the same joys of Gods word you claim to enjoy because your eyes are closed by your limited understanding.:naughty:I say seek the Lord and He shall guide you.There are many who do not read english and the KJV does not translate well into their languages,what are you going to do,deny them of Gods word because they read a different translation.This is bogus and the true evil of Christianity.As I said before,Go to the original languages,get a concordance,cross referance,and stop being selfrighteous and being a stumbling block to your brethren.