Evil spirits in Christianity!!!!!

(tim_from_pa;19855)
I think you'll get one, too. I get that feeling. But until then, here's a link that may hold you over until you get one!http://www.companionbiblecondensed.com/
Thanks Tim!I appreciate the consideration!

OH MAN,not another one angry at the other Bible because of misinformed history.Look your concerns are fine and dandy,but what you are condeming is not evil.You as well as others it appears are only serving the word play fairy with your condemnation of things you apparently dont understand.Now look,with these attacks you are denying the work of the Holy Spirit,and that is more evil than the trivial discrepencies you are attacking.You are attacking words and forgetting the power of the Spirit to present truth in all text.What you should be doing is stopping the idiots of this world who are returning to Gnosticism and Paganism and calling the Bible a fairy tale.You should be focusing on the people who water down Gods word or claim to be Christian but deny His word.Look I like to use the JW Bible when I am reaching out to JWs,and the Holy Spirit has guided me often in finding and discerning the alterations they have perpitrated in the Bible.I use the NIV when reaching out to those with limited education.I use the NASB for teaching and preaching and I use the KJV and Amplified when studying along with the rest and the Interlinier Greek and Hebrew.I understand your concerns,I once felt the same way as you about the KJV only,but I found out I could reach people better if I understood from their perspective and used a more common language.

(RobinD69;19958)
...I found out I could reach people better if I understood from their perspective and used a more common language.
Good point, I do it to Paul did the same thing, 'customising' himself to his audience -"Though I am free and belong to no man, I make myself a slave to everyone, to win as many as possible. To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law.To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God's law but am under Christ's law), so as to win those not having the law.To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all men so that by all possible means I might save some.I do all this for the sake of the gospel, that I may share in its blessings. Do you not know that in a race all the runners run, but only one gets the prize? Run in such a way as to get the prize" -1 Cor 9:19-24

A good example of how we can change the wording of a verse without altering the meaning is this one from the Master and Servant parable.First here it is in the original KJV language -"...Make ready wherewith I may sup, and gird thyself, and serve me, till I have eaten and drunken; and afterward thou shalt eat and drink?" -Luke 17:7-8Now here's how we'd say it in modern language -"Spruce yourself up and get my dinner ready, then go have a bite to eat yourself"

I like it Mick,maybe you should rewrite the Bible so people can claim your an evil spirit.Jag I dont dislike you,and I dont remember accusing you of yelling(might have missed something).I appreciate what you are doing,but calling this stuff evil is a little extreme.Maybe you should pray and ask the Lord to reveal to you whay I am trying to share.OH Yeah,and ignore that old guy Mick,he makes too much sence,he might get someone to thinking.LOL

(RobinD69;19988)
I like it Mick,maybe you should rewrite the Bible so people can claim your an evil spirit.Jag I dont dislike you,and I dont remember accusing you of yelling(might have missed something).I appreciate what you are doing,but calling this stuff evil is a little extreme.Maybe you should pray and ask the Lord to reveal to you whay I am trying to share.OH Yeah,and ignore that old guy Mick,he makes too much sence,he might get someone to thinking.LOL
People who changed the Word of God to suit their desire, has a personal agenda...has a wicked heart. Like Satan...he has a personal agenda, wants to be God...have the mercy seat...and he loves to deceives others...don't tell me what I already know to begin with.Much love, JagLovest ye in Christ Yahshua our Lord and Saviour.

(thesuperjag;19993)
People who changed the Word of God to suit their desire, has a personal agenda...has a wicked heart..
Right.. My own agenda is to bring people closer to Jesus, which I don't think is wicked..My fans seem to like it, so I must be doing something right.. ChildofLight - "So good to read your responses Mick, some are quite witty and made LOL"Happysandyh - "welcome Mick, welcome welcome!"HenryS - "You are brilliant Mick in finding appropriate phrases. Another one of your superb emails to store"Firebrand - "Amen and welcome Mick"Coconut - "Whew! Thanks for sharing Mick"Sarah4Jesus - "Listen to Mick in Plymouth, he is a great teacher"Cathie - "Very wise advice Mick, thanks"Kierri - "That was one of the best explanations I've ever heard! Yay for Mick in Plymouth"Haimehenmmli - "I LOVE IT MATE!!! I'm going to put it into my files, with some of my other favorites, from you"Evachrst3 - "Right on, Mick, I couldn't agree more.Thank you for defending the faith so eloquently".Devilmademedoit2 - "I love this! Thanks, Mick!"SweetSummer96 - "Wow. That's a cool story Mick."Vespasian052 - "Wow! Mick,what an awesome tale.."Beekpr9 - "Amen to all you have said, Mick!"Saipan1777 - "Spot on Mick bravo"Duke Tinn - "Thanks again Mick. Great Stuff"Apple Pie - "Really good to see you, Mick. Come on over to 4church, we could do with your input and your humour"Tahella - "Welcome Mick!"Ainglkiss - "Mick what a wonderful story. You write so well. Keep up the great work"BlessedOne - "Glad to have you here Mick! Jesus is the way!"MonkGirl - "Wow, thank you Mick! That is really comforting...and all I really needed to hear!"WOFman - "Welcome Mick!"JeffC - "HELL YEAH! PREACH IT BROTHER, THE REALITY WAY! (LUV YUR STYLE....)Nottonguetied - "I loved those stories from Mick"Honeybearx - "This was very good reading thank you Mick"Megan - "Mick, I just wanted to tell you that I loved this story, it was very touching"Benjoman - "Your one of the only ones from the singles board that I still love Mick"Allisoneness -"You are the one true Christian on here, keep up the good work and praise the Lord"Sherry Anne - "Mick i love your posts"Antipas - "Brilliant yet again Mick"Easynote - "ROFL Mick you are pure class, another of your timeless classics!"Kermit - "I love Mick. He is so, how shall I say it, RIGHT ON THE MONEY AND FUNNY, TOO"Lillian - "Mick please come back..it's nice having you on the board"

Leviticus 18:22 - Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.(Terry Watkins)
In 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, the word of God delivers a very serious warning against certain sins. Among these sins is sodomy, or homosexuality. The TNIV obscures the seriousness of the judgement on "homosexuals" by confusing the sin of "homosexuals" by adding the word "practicing". It’s no longer "homosexuals" but "practicing homosexuals". 1 Corinthians 6:8-10, TNIV 8 Instead, you yourselves cheat and do wrong, and you do this to your brothers and sisters. 9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor practicing homosexuals 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.Practicing homosexuals?Where did the TNIV translators ever come up with such a biased, unwarranted, pro-homosexual wording? Why didn’t they say "practicing" adulterers, "practicing" thieves, or "practicing" drunkards, or "practicing" slanders? Hmm. . . Why just "practicing homosexuals"?The TNIV translators pull the same trick in 1 Timothy 1:10 1 Timothy 1:9-10, TNIV 9 We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious; for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, 10 for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers. And it is for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine Why not "practicing" murders, or "practicing" liars, or "practicing" slave traders?The fact is – every time "practicing" shows up in the TNIV it ONLY applies to "homosexuals". And the fact is – every time "homosexual" shows up in the TNIV it is blurred with "practicing". There is no basis in the Greek text for adding the word "practicing".Why do the homosexuals get special treatment? Hmm. . .What's the difference between a "homosexual" and a "practicing homosexual"? Are the TNIV translators implying it's ok to be a homosexual, just not a "practicing homosexual"? Are the TNIV translators saying that it's ok for homosexuals to engage in a "monogamous" homosexual relationship? Just as long as they don’t "practice"? Are the TNIV translators implying that God created homosexuals?What are the TNIV really trying to say?Boy. . . oh boy. . .You talk about opening a confusing "can of worms". . .HOMOSEXUALITY AND THE ORIGINAL "NIV":The NIV-TNIV translators and the sin of sodomy or homosexuality have an on-going sympathetic relationship.The "original" NIV is also very kind to homosexuals. 1 Corinthians 6:9, in the "original" NIV is translated "homosexual offenders". Not just "homosexuals" but "homosexual OFFENDERS". And again, the obvious implication is "homosexuality" is fine. It’s just "homosexual OFFENDERS" that’s the problem.1 Corinthians 6:9-10, in the "original" NIV: Surely you know that the people who do wrong will not inherit God's kingdom. Do not be fooled. Those who sin sexually, worship idols, take part in adultery, those who are male prostitutes, or homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.The pro-homosexual, website, Religious Tolerance, heartily agrees with the NIV’s "homosexual friendly" translation of 1 Corinthians 6:9 "The NIV contains the phrase: "homosexual offenders." Suppose for the moment that Paul had written "heterosexual offenders" or "heterosexual sexual offenders." We would not interpret this today as a general condemnation of heterosexuality; only of those heterosexuals who commit sexual offences. Perhaps the appropriate interpretation of this verse is that it does not condemn homosexuals. Rather it condemns homosexuals who engage in sexual offences." ([url="http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_bibc1.htm]http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_bibc1.htm[/url])The NIV’s "homosexual offenders" has lead many to refer to the NIV as the "homosexual version". The "USA forbidden" New International Version Inclusive Language (NIVI) also translates 1 Corinthians 6:9 as "homosexual offenders".Of all the mainstream translations, the NIV, NIVI and the TNIV are, FAR AND AWAY, the most friendly with homosexuals.Here’s how 1 Corinthians 6:9 reads in some of the other major versions: * New American Standard Version (NASV) "homosexuals" * Revised Standard Versions (RSV) "sexual perverts" * King James Bibles (KJB) "abusers of themselves with mankind" * New Century Version (NCV) "men who have sexual relations with other men" * New Revised Standard Version (NRSV) "sodomites" * New King James Version (NKJV) "sodomites" * The Living Bible (TLB) "homosexuals" As you can see, homosexuals are much more acceptable in the NIV, NIVI and TNIV.THE NIV’S DIRTY LITTLE SECRET. . .It’s a dirty little secret, that radical feminist and lesbian author Virginia Mollenkott was a stylistic consultant for the "original" NIV translation team. Mollenkott, a very outspoken, lesbian and feminist, is the author of at least 11 highly controversial books such as Is The Homosexual My Neighbor, Omnigender: A Trans-Religious Approach, and Divine Feminine.After being exposed for having an open, militant, homosexual on the NIV translation staff, the NIV crew has vigorously attempted to deny the influence and sexual perversion of Mollenkott. They’ve claimed Mollenkott’s lesbianism was not known when Palmer asked her to participate on the NIV translation process. But Dr. Donald Waite, who taught with her at Shelton College in Ringwood, New Jersey, says he knew she was a lesbian as early as 1962-63 –many years before (1978) the NIV was published. Dr. Waite, also has a letter, from Bob Jones, Jr. (Bob Jones University), addressing Mollenkott’s attraction to "young girls", as far back as the 1950’s. The BJU letter states, "We had a definite problem with her because she insisted on hobnobbing with a few girls when she was employed as a teacher here for one year in the fifties."And in Episcopal, Witness (June 1991, pp. 20-23), Mollenkott readily confessed, "My lesbianism has ALWAYS been a part of me. . ." Mollenkott, says in the pro-homosexual Evangelicals Concerned's Spring 1997 Record, "I came of age [lesbianism] in the 1940s and 1950s, discovering my own sexuality at a time when only negative information was available to me...I was one of the many gay teenagers. . ."If the NIV staff did not know Mollenkott was a lesbian, it was simply because they did not want to know. It was a Clinton, "don’t ask, don’t tell" cover-up.What about Mollenkott’s influence on the NIV?In an interview with Joseph Chambers, Virginia Mollenkott, explained her role in the NIV translation process: "I worked mainly in solitude. . . they would send me big swatches of translations. . . and `my job' was to read them with an eye as to how this would communicate with the modern reader, and to indicate if I thought there were any infelicities [inappropriate, or awkward] in language that could be corrected... So, I would write notes all over manuscripts which I was sent, both praising phraseology that I thought was wonderful and raising questions or asking-for instance something I would typically write would be, `Would the Greek or would the Hebrew permit this word' which would seem to me to be much more understandable or clear to a modern reader?..."Now, what do you suppose Virginia Mollenkott wrote if she received 1 Corinthians 6:9, or 1 Timothy 1:10? Possibly "homosexual OFFENDERS" rather than a general condemnation of "homosexuals"? Not surprising, the NIV completely removes the word "sodomy". For more information on the NIV and Virginia Mollenkott the following publications are available from Bible For Today at [url="http://www.biblefortoday.org:]www.biblefortoday.org:[/url] * Cassette #2490 Lesbian Virginia Mollenkott Exposed & Her Part on the NIV * Cassette #2491 Lesbian Virginia Mollenkott-Her Lesbianism & Part in the NIV * Cassette #0697 Interview With Pro-Lesbian Virginia Mollenkott * Paper #2319 Lesbian Mollenkott (On NIV Committee) Out of Closet * Paper #2439 Lesbian Mollenkoot Interview on NIV Translation and Homosexuality * Paper #0518 Womens’ Lib (Evangel.) Refuted – Mollenkott Exposed * Paper #2298 Sodomy and the NIV—Proper Perspective On the BibleSource: http://www.av1611.org/kjv/tniv_homo.htmlRomans 1:26-28 - For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;Much love, Jag

I have no arguement with this one Jag,but wouldnt someone with the Holy Spirit indwelling them understand that homsexuality is offensive to God.I know there are arguements out there that people are born homosexuals,but it doent hold water.Now practicing homosexuals makes a little more sence,considering it is the practice of sin and not the temptation that makes us unclean.Homosexuality is wrong and to consider oneself a homosexual is to title oneself as being their sin rather than being tempted by their sin.You know as well as I that if someone is truly indwelled with the Spirit of truth,that the subtle twisting of words that you have pointed out will stand out like a sore thumb.But what many of these word twisters do not understand is that the Bible interprits itself and these subtle changes or twisting come out in the washing of the rest of the word.In order for these twistings to hold water,one must completely disreguard much of the rest of the word.Good post Jag.

(RobinD69;20088)
I have no arguement with this one Jag,but wouldnt someone with the Holy Spirit indwelling them understand that homsexuality is offensive to God.I know there are arguements out there that people are born homosexuals,but it doent hold water.Now practicing homosexuals makes a little more sence,considering it is the practice of sin and not the temptation that makes us unclean.Homosexuality is wrong and to consider oneself a homosexual is to title oneself as being their sin rather than being tempted by their sin.You know as well as I that if someone is truly indwelled with the Spirit of truth,that the subtle twisting of words that you have pointed out will stand out like a sore thumb.But what many of these word twisters do not understand is that the Bible interprits itself and these subtle changes or twisting come out in the washing of the rest of the word.In order for these twistings to hold water,one must completely disreguard much of the rest of the word.Good post Jag.
Dear RobinD69,This is what I've been showing you the whole time with all of these modern perversion, which is to say a politically-correct bible. If people want to translate the bible to the REAL Word of God. Take a look at this verse...II Peter 1:20 - Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.Do you not agree with the fact that the Truth is done publically? If people loves the Lord so much, they must do translate the Word in publickly, not privately. Doing translation privately is just wrong and out there to deceive us...They don't want us to know, so we have to find out our selves. And look at below quote...(tim_from_pa;19851)
Frankly, I think you are treating Superjag a little unfairly here and are becoming what you are accusing Superjag of being.So..... what do you think about copyrights? I have MAJOR issues with other translations because they copyright GOD's Word. If I were God, I'd strike them dead for translating my Word and then putting copyright on it. Thank God I am not God, and many souls will live giving them a chance to repent before they perish.
RobinD69, People who wants to copyright bibles to make money and claim it God's Words is a downright lie. We need to wake up and I'm going to continuing attack evil...Why am I doing this Robin? It is because I care for your soul. I did it for the soul of many who wants truth...I even did it for the soul of BT.P.S. To translate the Word, we need everybody agree with the Word, not disagree and then just publish a bible.2nd P.S. II Corinthians 6:14 - Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?Much love, JagLovest ye in Christ Yahshua our Lord and Saviour.

I dont like copyrights either,so I agree with you on that one.But shouldnt we a born again,Christ indwelled Christians be able to decern what is truth and what is not.We all know that many words and word phrases have multiple meanings and we should always grab onto the meaning that most reflects God.So you are not completely denouncing other translations,but merely pointing out what you percieve as discrepencies that may lead to confusion or perversion.I can understand that,but that is why expressed that we all study multiple translations and the original texts or at least the closest we could come to them.

(RobinD69;20090)
I dont like copyrights either,so I agree with you on that one.But shouldnt we a born again,Christ indwelled Christians be able to decern what is truth and what is not.We all know that many words and word phrases have multiple meanings and we should always grab onto the meaning that most reflects God.So you are not completely denouncing other translations,but merely pointing out what you percieve as discrepencies that may lead to confusion or perversion.I can understand that,but that is why expressed that we all study multiple translations and the original texts or at least the closest we could come to them.
The words in yellow is exactly what I'm doing...Showing awareness of the changes made in the Word of God. To be quite honest, if a bible contains changes in the meaning, removing key verses and words, then how can it still be the Word of God? Cause it can't.In Orange...Yes I'm dismissing other translations because it ATTACKS my Lord and Saviour...His deity, his blood, the firstborn part, the Godhead etc. Trusting a bible that uses Alexandrian Text is not a good place to be at Robin. Trust me on that.Much love, JagLovest ye in Christ Yahshua our Lord and Saviour.

Matthew 7:15 - Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.(Terry Watkins)
The latest "star" among the Christian world is Joel Osteen, pastor of nondenominational Lakewood Church in Houston, Texas. Osteen claims the nation’s largest congregation with over 30,000 members. Lakewood recently purchased the colossal Compaq Center, formerly home of the NBA’s Houston Rockets. After a whopping $95 million in renovations, the Compaq Center now houses Osteen’s empire called Lakewood Church. Osteen continually sells out huge arenas (at $10 a ticket) across the country. (on ebay Osteen’s tickets list for over $100—can you say $ch-ching$?) New York Times (July 18, 2005) reports Lakewood’s 2004 revenue’s of $55 million. Osteen’s book of human-potential, self-esteem, "feel good," self-help-guide titled, Your Best Life Now: Seven Steps to Living at Your Full Potential, ranks number one on the prestigious "New York Times" best-seller list. Wxyz.com writes of Osteen’s enormous popularity, "In the world of religion, he’s achieved the status of a rock star. . ." Clearly, Mr. Osteen wears the coveted crown prince of the Christian kingdom.Osteen’s message is described as ". . . simple self-help message that congregants say is both uplifting and accessible. . ." Osteen proudly wears the title of "the smiling preacher." His theology has been described as "cotton candy" theology – tastes good – but no substance.Before we examine Osteen’s disturbing theology, let us lay some ground work for our critique.Today’s Christians have been spiritually malnourished with a steady and unrelenting diet of "judge not, that ye be not judged. . .," tolerant, inclusive "junk food" doctrine until they are completely void of any spiritual discernment. May I remind you in Matthew 7 where the popular "judge not, that ye be not judged. . ." mantra occurs contains the harshest warning in the Bible exposing false prophets and exercising personal spiritual discernment. The Lord Jesus in Matthew 7:21-23 provides the most enlightening and frightening warning found in all the scriptures. Many (not a few) people that openly call Jesus "Lord, Lord. . ." and many that "prophesy in thy name. . ." and ". . . cast out devils. . ." and in the name of Jesus Christ perform "many wonderful (not hateful, but nice, sweet) works. . ."— Jesus will utter "I NEVER knew you." They were never saved. If they were ever saved—Jesus could not say, I NEVER knew you. Despite their "many wonderful works" in the name of Jesus, despite calling Him "Lord, Lord"—Jesus Christ will cast them into an eternal lake of fire, calling them "ye that work iniquity."Matthew 7:13-23 KJV - Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.Matthew 7 (and there are many other scriptures) is an earth-shattering wake-up call for prayerful Bible discernment. If we, as Christians do not shine the exposing light of the Word of God upon preachers, Christians or anyone and everyone, how can we possibly obey the clear admonition of our Lord and Saviour in Matthew 7:15? How can we "Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves"— if we do not "judge" who are the "false prophets"? How in the world can we even KNOW who are these "false prophets"? They appear as "sheep" or saved people, but they are "ravening wolves." There is only one way—the unchangeable, perfect Word of God. There is a very serious and very deadly Christian belief perverting Christians that says, "I can’t judge them, I don’t know their heart." The Lord Jesus Christ says in Matthew 15:19, "But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man." What comes out the mouth – is in the heart.And what came out of the heart and mouth of Joel Osteen during the June 20, 2005 interview with Larry King literally sent shivers down my spiritual spine. As a Bible Believing researcher, I have researched many topics, many cultural issues and many false prophets—but what I heard repeatedly from the mouth of Joel Osteen on Larry King clearly ranks as the most disturbing words publicly coming out of a mainstream, accepted preacher. Bar none!Before we view Osteen’s troubling statements, let me also add: we are not frivolously "sowing discord among brethren. . ." (Proverbs 6:19); we are not blindly, ". . . straining at a gnat, and swallowing a camel." (Matthew 23:14); nor is any personal malice or contempt against Mr. Osteen intended.As Bible Believers, we can disagree on certain doctrinal issues, but never the redemptive work and person of the Lord Jesus Christ. God forbid! God help us to never cease from exposing serious doctrinal errors, and make no mistake about it – several of Joel Osteen’s statements on Larry King Live were serious. Very serious. . .The first very alarming portrait of Osteen’s heart (Matthew 12:34) deals with the most important subject in the Bible—salvation is only through the redemptive blood of the Lord Jesus Christ at Calvary. Nothing is more important. Nothing is more evident in the scriptures. The following scriptures (among many) loudly and boldly proclaim Jesus Christ as the ONE and ONLY way of salvation, without any room for misinterpretation or misunderstanding. The Bible makes this crystal-clear. Other doctrines may have opportunity for argument, but not this one.John 14:6 - Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.Acts 4:12 - Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.John 3:36 - He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.I Timothy 2:5-6 - For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.On Larry King Live, the following very disturbing conversation occurred with Larry King and Joel Osteen:KING: What if you're Jewish or Muslim, you don't accept Christ at all?OSTEEN: You know, I'm very careful about saying who would and wouldn't go to heaven. I don't know ...At this point, even Larry King appears surprised by Osteen’s answer. Then Larry tosses Osteen a "soft-ball" to explain his previous answer. And again Osteen openly denies that Jesus Christ is the ONLY way of salvation.KING: If you believe you have to believe in Christ? They're wrong, aren't they?OSTEEN: Well, I don't know if I believe they're wrong. I believe here's what the Bible teaches and from the Christian faith this is what I believe. But I just think that only God will judge a person's heart. I spent a lot of time in India with my father. I don't know all about their religion. But I know they love God. And I don't know. I've seen their sincerity. So I don't know. I know for me, and what the Bible teaches, I want to have a relationship with Jesus.Again Osteen denies the redemptive work of the Lord Jesus Christ. Notice, he praises the pagan, false-religion of India as "I know they love God." Unbelievable. . .I’m sure some reading this are thinking, "Well, maybe Larry caught Joel Osteen flat footed. Maybe Osteen wasn’t prepared." If Osteen only had been given another chance to testify of the redemptive work of the Lord Jesus Christ, he’d get it straightened out. Osteen did get another chance. . .After Larry King opened the phone lines, a concerned Christian asks Joel to clarify his previous statement (which we just viewed). Again Osteen could easily clear this up.CALLER: Hello, Larry. You're the best, and thank you, Joe -- Joel -- for your positive messages and your book. I'm wondering, though, why you side-stepped Larry's earlier question about how we get to heaven? The Bible clearly tells us that Jesus is the way, the truth and the light and the only way to the father is through him. That's not really a message of condemnation but of truth.OSTEEN: Yes, I would agree with her. I believe that. . .KING: So then a Jew is not going to heaven?OSTEEN: No. Here's my thing, Larry, is I can't judge somebody's heart. You know? Only God can look at somebody's heart, and so -- I don't know. To me, it's not my business to say, you know, this one is or this one isn't. I just say, here's what the Bible teaches and I'm going to put my faith in Christ. And I just I think it's wrong when you go around saying, you're saying you're not going, you're not going, you're not going, because it's not exactly my way. I'm just...KING: But you believe your way.OSTEEN: I believe my way. I believe my way with all my heart.KING: But for someone who doesn't share it is wrong, isn't he?OSTEEN: Well, yes. Well, I don't know if I look at it like that. I would present my way, but I'm just going to let God be the judge of that. I don't know. I don't know.KING: So you make no judgment on anyone?OSTEEN: No. But I...And here Larry really tosses Joel a soft-ball. How about a God-defying atheist? And again, Osteen will not confess that Jesus Christ is the ONLY way of salvation.KING: What about atheists?OSTEEN: You know what, I'm going to let someone -- I'm going to let God be the judge of who goes to heaven and hell. I just -- again, I present the truth, and I say it every week. You know, I believe it's a relationship with Jesus. But you know what? I'm not going to go around telling everybody else if they don't want to believe that that's going to be their choice. God's got to look at your own heart. God's got to look at your heart, and only God knows that.Friend, the Bible is clear. There is one, and only one way out of an eternal hell and that is the blood of the Lord Jesus Christ. Not simply "a relationship with Jesus Christ." Judas Iscariot had a "relationship" with Jesus Christ, walking and talking with the Lord, and even "kissing" the Lord (Luke 22:47), but Judas went to hell (Acts 1:25). Revelation 2:15 reads, "And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,"What can wash away my sins – NOTHING BUT THE BLOOD OF JESUS!The teaching professed by Osteen that ". . . God’s got to look at your heart. . ." for salvation is wrong. It is grossly wrong. It is deadly wrong. God has already "looked at you heart." In Jeremiah 17:9, the Lord says, "The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?" Proverbs 28:26, says, "He that trusteth in his own heart is a fool. . ." The Lord Jesus says, in Matthew 15 "But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man. For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:"Osteen’s refusal to confess the sole redemptive salvation of the Lord Jesus Christ sent shock waves among many of Osteen’s followers. Because of the amount of email and letters questioning his statements, Osteen issued an apology on his web site, statingJoel Osteen Website)
Dear Friend, Many of you have called, written or e-mailed regarding my recent appearance on Larry King Live. I appreciate your comments and value your words of correction and encouragement.It was never my desire or intention to leave any doubt as to what I believe and Whom I serve. I believe with all my heart that it is only through Christ that we have hope in eternal life. I regret and sincerely apologize that I was unclear on the very thing in which I have dedicated my life.Jesus declared in John 14; I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father but by me. I believe that Jesus Christ alone is the only way to salvation. However, it wasn’t until I had the opportunity to review the transcript of the interview that I realize I had not clearly stated that having a personal relationship with Jesus is the only way to heaven. It’s about the individual’s choice to follow Him.God has given me a platform to present the Gospel to a very diverse audience. In my desire not to alienate the people that Jesus came to save, I did not clearly communicate the convictions that I hold so precious.I will use this as a learning experience and believe that God will ultimately use it for my good and His glory. I am comforted by the fact that He sees my heart and knows my intentions. I am so thankful that I have friends, like you, who are willing to share their concerns with me.Thank you again to those who have written. I hope that you accept my deepest apology and see it in your heart to extend to me grace and forgiveness. As always, I covet your prayers and I am believing for God’s best in your life, ([url="http://www.joelosteen.com/site/PageServer?pagename=LarryKingLetter]http://www.joelosteen.com/site/PageServer?...LarryKingLetter[/url])
I find it ironic and demeaning that Osteen "was unclear on the very thing in which I have dedicated my life." He was not UNCLEAR. He was crystal clear. He consistently and clearly rejected that the Lord Jesus Christ was the ONLY way of salvation! We're not talking about a "babe in Christ." We are talking about the pastor of the largest church in the nation! Here he is as an ambassador for the Lord Jesus on a very popular television show and refuses to acknowledge the very thing he supposedly has "dedicated his life"? Something's seriously wrong with this picture. . .Osteen’s glossing, or apologizing for his serious statements, does not negate his repeatedly refusal to confess that Jesus Christ is the only way of salvation. If his answers were not so clear, nor given several chances to clarify, his apology might be appropriate. But the heart and soul of the Christian faith is the sole redemptive blood of the Lord Jesus. Without that, there exists no Christian faith. For a preacher to repeatedly refuse to confess that Jesus Christ as the only way of salvation is without excuse, nor apology. 1 Peter 3:15 admonishes the Christian: "But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:"Many other statements from Osteen during the Larry King interview were blatantly in opposition to the Word of God.KING: But you're not fire and brimstone, right? You're not pound the decks and hell and damnation?OSTEEN: No. That's not me. It's never been me. I've always been an encourager at heart. And when I took over from my father he came from the Southern Baptist background and back 40, 50 years ago there was a lot more of that. But, you know, I just -- I don't believe in that. I don't believe -- maybe it was for a time. But I don't have it in my heart to condemn people. I'm there to encourage them. I see myself more as a coach, as a motivator to help them experience the life God has for us.Friend, the greatest "fire and brimstone" preacher that ever lived was the Lord Jesus! He preached about hell more than any other subject. If you don’t believe in proclaiming "fire and brimstone, as Osteen openly confesses, you do not believe the Bible! It’s that simple.Jesus Christ took hell very serious. In Mark 9:43-47 the Lord says,Mark 9:43-47 - And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:Jesus Christ took hell so serious — He could say without the slightest hesitation — to remove your eye, cut off your hand or foot, if that would keep you out of hell!If hell is not real — Jesus Christ was the most deceived man that ever lived!Osteen may sound pious and sweet to say, ". . . I don't have it in my heart to condemn people," but according to the Lord Jesus, they are already condemned. The Lord says in John 3:18, "He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." The Christian’s message is not condemnation, but the way out of ALREADY condemnation. If there is no "hell fire and brimstone"—there is no reason for Jesus dieing on the cross. It was a waste. Hell is as much a part of the gospel, as the blood of Jesus Christ. No hell. No blood. No heaven. No gospel. . .Friend, if we believe the Bible it is our duty and decency to warn people about hell! Warning someone of the fires of eternal hell is not condemning them - it is just the opposite - we are trying to keep them from being condemned in hell!Because of Osteen's vague and confusing answers, Larry King point-blank asks Osteen if he believed the Bible. (What a strange question to ask the pastor of the largest church in Amerca?)KING: You believe in the Bible literally?OSTEEN: I do, I do.There is a problem here - a very, very serious problem. Here is a man that claims to believe the Bible literally. And the Bible over and over and over, warns of a place of called hell, a place of eternal fire and torments where the majority of people will suffer in torments for all eternity.Matthew 13:49-50 - So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just, And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.Revelation 14:10-11 - The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.Revelation 20:15 - And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.How can Mr. Osteen, or anyone, claim to believe the Bible and deliberately refuse to warn people about hell? Is anyone that mean or hateful or so depraved that they willingly refuse to warn others? I'm reminded of a gut-wrenching illustration in Why Revival Tarries by Leonard Ravenhill:Charlie Peace was a criminal. Laws of God or man curbed him not. Finally the law caught up with him, and he was condemned to death. On the fatal morning in Armley Jail, Leeds, England, he was taken on the death-walk. Before him went the prison chaplain, routinely and sleepily reading some Bible verses. The criminal touched the preacher and asked what he was reading. "The Consolations of Religion," was the replay. Charlie Peace was shocked at the way he professionally read about hell. Could a man be so unmoved under the very shadow of the scaffold as to lead a fellow-human there and yet, dry-eyed, read of a pit that has no bottom into which this fellow must fall? Could this preacher believe the words that there is an eternal fire that never consumes its victims, and yet slide over the phrase with a tremor? Is a man human at all who can say with no tears, "You will be eternally dying and yet never know the relief that death brings"? All this was too much for Charlie Peace. So he preached. Listen to his on-the-eve-of-hell sermon."Sir" addressing the preacher, "if I believed what you and the church of God say that you believe, even if England were covered with broken glass from coast to coast, I would walk over it, if need be, on hands and knees and think it worth while living, just to save one soul from an eternal hell like that!" (Ravenhill, Leonard, Why Revival Tarries, Fires of Revival Publishers, Zachary, LA, 1973, p. 19)Recently, a local TV station interviewed a man that rescued a sleeping family from a burning house. He was riding by the house, saw the raging fire and at the danger of his own life, ran inside the flaming house, screamming and yelling for the family to wake up and get out! The newscaster asked him, "How does it feel to be a hero?" His reply was simply, "I'm no hero; I just did what any decent human being would have done."Here me and here me well - a man that professes to believe the Bible and refuses to warn people about hell; either does not really believe that Bible, or they are the worse criminal and villain on this earth! And I don't care how big a church they have, or how nice, sweet, loving, compassionate or pious they may sound - they are a wicked devil in disguise!Will you go and speak to the sinners blindAnd who walk in the midnight gloom?Will you bear some light to their darkened mind?Will you tell them their coming doom?Will you seek them now, Will you seek them now?Will you show them the way? Will you show them the way?Some one may be lost, That you might lead home, To that bright land of perfect day.- Seeking the Lost, A. J. Bu*chan*an, 18In the interview, Larry King tossed Osteen another "soft-ball," asking Osteen about the wicked and vile sins of abortion and homosexuality. Even lost people take a stand on these blatant "sins."KING: How about issues that the church has feelings about? Abortion? Same-sex marriages?OSTEEN: Yeah. You know what, Larry? I don't go there. I just ...KING: You have thoughts, though.OSTEEN: I have thoughts. I just, you know, I don't think that a same-sex marriage is the way God intended it to be. I don't think abortion is the best. I think there are other, you know, a better way to live your life. But I'm not going to condemn those people. I tell them all the time our church is open for everybody.Again, Larry appears surprised at Osteen’s waffling. Larry allows Osteen to clarify his confusing position. And again Osteen blatantly contradicts the words of the Lord Jesus Christ.KING: You don't call them sinners?OSTEEN: I don't.KING: Is that a word you don't use?OSTEEN: I don't use it. I never thought about it. But I probably don't. But most people already know what they're doing wrong. When I get them to church I want to tell them that you can change. There can be a difference in your life. So I don't go down the road of condemning.The word "sin" occurs in the King James Bible over 830 times!After the previous surprising answers, Larry then asks Osteen the obvious question: Do you believe the Bible?KING: You believe in the Bible literally?OSTEEN: I do, I do.The following conversation during King’s interview displays how far Osteen and the Bible differ.KING: Is it hard to lead a Christian life?OSTEEN: I don't think it's that hard. To me it's fun. We have joy and happiness. Our family -- I don't feel like that at all. I'm not trying to follow a set of rules and stuff. I'm just living my life.KING: But you have rules, don't you?OSTEEN: We do have rules. But the main rule to me is to honor God with your life. To live a life of integrity. Not be selfish. You know, help others. But that's really the essence of the Christian faith.The "essence of Osteen’s Christian faith" is to "help others." (And along the way make a few million$.)In 1 Corinthians 15:3-4, the apostle Paul gives us the "essence" of the Christian faith:I Corinthians 15:3-4 - For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:Stay away from Joel Osteen and his no condemnation, self-esteem, false-gospel. Warn others. Stay away! There is too much at stake – your eternal soul.Source: [url="http://www.av1611.org/osteen.html]http://www.av1611.org/osteen.html[/url]Hebrews 2:3 - How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------While I agree with this article majority of it very much...I got a few things I need to speak of...which I loathe it.First of all, Satan is the only one condemned to the Lake of Fire (Ezekiel 28:18)Secondly There is no such thing as an eternally burning in Hell Fire and God is not a revengeful monster. God is my consuming fire. (Deuteronomy 4:24, Hebrews 12:29)Revelation 20:14 - And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.Thirdly, We are suppose to judge their fruits to see whether to see if they are of God. We are all worthy of death. And we all fall short of the glory of God.Romans 3:23 - For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;Fourthly, They still can repent. And we are still in this flesh body. Atheist, Muslims etc still have much time to repent. Although our time is short...Fifth...God is MY Judge and the only Judge.Hebrews 9:27 - And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:Dear Kriss or anybody else, Please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong on the sixth and seventh part.Sixth....Judas repented of himself...and He did not commit suicide...Kenites murdered him.Matthew 27:3-5 - Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned, repented himself, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders, Saying, I have sinned in that I have betrayed the innocent blood. And they said, What is that to us? see thou to that. And he cast down the pieces of silver in the Temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself.Acts 1:16-18 - Men and brethren, this scripture must needs have been fulfilled, which the Holy Ghost by the mouth of David spake before concerning Judas, which was guide to them that took Jesus. For he was numbered with us, and had obtained part of this ministry. Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out.Seventh...I do not think Mark 9:43-47 is to be taken literally. I do not know what...but that's my opinion for now...Love much, Jag...Lovest ye in Christ Yahshua our Lord and Saviour.

1. Both the Roman Catholic Church and Islam believe that they are the one true church/religion.Note from Jag: James 1:26 - If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.2. The Roman Catholic Church and the Islam require mandatory fasting.Note from Jag: Matthew 9:14 - Then came to him the disciples of John, saying, Why do we and the Pharisees fast oft, but thy disciples fast not?3. The Roman Catholic Church worships, prays to and gives titles of God to Mary. Islam highly esteems Mary and she is mentioned 34 times in the Qu'ran."Even the infidel Muhammed glorifies Mary in his Koran, saying, 'The angels shall say to Maryam, "Allah has chosen thee; he has made thee exempt from all stain'". The Marian (Roman Catholic) BibleNote from Jag: I John 2:23 - Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: [but] he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.4. The Roman Catholic Church and Islam base their salvation on a complicated system of works and deny salvation by faith alone. There is no assurance of salvation in either religion.Note from Jag: Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.5. Both cults deny the Biblical view of the Atonement. The Roman Catholic Church doctrine dictates that one must go to Purgatory to have his sins purged, Jesus just paved the way. The Muslims believe their works will save them but will not know until Judgment Day. This is because there is no atonement for sin, and God's grace does not exist.Note from Jag: I John 1:7 - But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.6. The Roman Catholic Church claims visions and apparitions in an effort to add false doctrine. Muhammad claimed to be purified as a child by angels. He claimed to receive revelations from Archangel Jibril or Gabriel.Note from Jag: Matthew 16:6 - Then Jesus said unto them, Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.7. The Roman Catholic Church uses a rosary for their prayers, Islam uses prayer beads. The rosary/prayer beads are concepts taken from paganism.Note from Jag: Matthew 6:7 - But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.8. The Pope is the vicar or substitute of Christ for the Roman Catholic Church. (# 882 RCC Catechism) In Islam, Muhammad is called the last and final Messenger of God, the successor to Jesus.Note from Jag: Matthew 24:5 - For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.I John 4:1 - Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.9. The Roman Catholic Church and Islam have their own divorce system. The Roman Catholic Church grants anullments and Islam allows a man to divorce his wife by telling her she is divorced.Note from Jag: Mark 10:6-9 - But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female. For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife; And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.10. Islam rejects the Trinity doctrine, the Deity of Christ, salvation by grace through faith and teaches that Christians should be killed. However, the Roman Catholic Church accepts them and believes that they are offered salvation because of their faith in Abraham. (# 841 RCC Catechism)Note from Jag: I John 5:7 - For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.11. Both church organizations believe that leaving their church will result in eternal damnation.Note from Jag: Same as #1.12. The Roman Catholic Church and Islam share a hatred for the Jews.Note from Jag: That's extremely sad.13. The Roman Catholic Church and the Islam base some of their doctrine on pagan traditions. For The Roman Catholic Church the traditions of a goddess, rosary, pope, relics, purgatory, transubstantiation, praying to dead people, and idol worship are all based on paganism. The Allah of Islam was actually a pagan god, and not even the major deity.Note from Jag: Exodus 20:3 - Thou shalt have no other gods before me.14. The Roman Catholic Church and Islam have added books to support false doctrine. The Roman Catholic Church has added the Apocrypha and Islam the Qu'ran.Note from Jag: Revelation 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:15. The Roman Catholic Church priest system (including Popes) has a history of sexual abuse of women and children. Islam has a history of (including Muhammad) sexual abuse of women and children.Note from Jag: Matthew 5:28 - But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
Source: [url="http://www.angelfire.com/de/knowledgeoftruth/rcislam.html]http://www.angelfire.com/de/knowledgeoftruth/rcislam.html[/url]My words in the quote in green...Much love, JagLovest ye in Christ Yahshua our Lord and Saviour.

So I was searching, and I couldn't help but find a website which is absolutely genius. I even dared to suspect that you made it in your spare time. In any case, if you didn't, here's what seems to be a good site representing your views.http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/Notice the comic with the NIV. Brilliant.featuring such soul saving articles as:http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/pokemon.htm

Nope, that only proves that they are liars since day 1 of doing their own corrupt translations...KJV is much older than all of these politically-correct bible...so to say that they are right is downright ridiculously stupid and false. I'm grateful for God and His preserved Words. I'm grateful for God to give us the Textus Receptus (Byzantine Text) received by EVERYONE.Lovest ye in Christ Yahshua our Lord and Saviour.

(thesuperjag;20387)
Nope, that only proves that they are liars since day 1 of doing their own corrupt translations...KJV is much older than all of these politically-correct bible...so to say that they are right is downright ridiculously stupid and false. I'm grateful for God and His preserved Words. I'm grateful for God to give us the Textus Receptus (Byzantine Text) received by EVERYONE.Lovest ye in Christ Yahshua our Lord and Saviour.
You do of course realize that the oldest Bibles are the ones which the newer translations are going back to right?

(Biblical Tetragramaton;20388)
(thesuperjag;20387)
Nope, that only proves that they are liars since day 1 of doing their own corrupt translations...KJV is much older than all of these politically-correct bible...so to say that they are right is downright ridiculously stupid and false. I'm grateful for God and His preserved Words. I'm grateful for God to give us the Textus Receptus (Byzantine Text) received by EVERYONE.Lovest ye in Christ Yahshua our Lord and Saviour.
You do of course realize that the oldest Bibles are the ones which the newer translations are going back to right? I hope you know that my God is NOT the author of the modern perVersions. Since my God can not be the author of confusion.

(thesuperjag;20389)
I hope you know that My God is NOT the author of the modern perVersions. Since my God can not be the author of confusion.
Superjag, you are confused. I suppose that's proof enough. God, however, does not author confusion. He has not authored your beliefs, you have manufactured them falsely. You presume that all today's Christian scholars are liars. You know too little about Philology to actually critique them. Just as that website you passed us previously, your mind has become brainwashed with falsehood, and truth. These mixed, of course, are dangerous.KJV is good, but God did not author the translation, he led the translator. He didn't lead the translator to never make any mistakes. This, history shows, is not how one can understand God's benevolence.in hope, ~Tyrel