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I hope you know that My God is NOT the author of the modern perVersions. Since my God can not be the author of confusion.
Superjag, you are confused.
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I suppose that's proof enough. God, however, does not author confusion. He has not authored your beliefs, you have manufactured them falsely. You presume that all today's Christian scholars are liars. You know too little about Philology to actually critique them. Just as that website you passed us previously, your mind has become brainwashed with falsehood, and truth. These mixed, of course, are dangerous.KJV is good, but God did not author the translation, he led the translator. He didn't lead the translator to never make any mistakes. This, history shows, is not how one can understand God's benevolence.in hope,~TyrelHow foolish and blind are you going to be...you clearly believe that the Alexandrian Texts are reliable. You clearly can not see the work of the Devil. Just like you believe that that evil religion Islam has the same god as us, and the Qu'ran has truths in it. Allah is not my God. Allah is made by a human. YHWH is my God and lives everlasting. I have no need to listen to Lucy. I have no need for bibles that creates contradictions and authored by the Devil. And you lost your salt a long time ago.Love much, JagLovest ye in Christ Yahshua our Lord and Saviour.
 

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How foolish and blind are you going to be...you clearly believe that the Alexandrian Texts are reliable. You clearly can not see the work of the Devil. Just like you believe that that evil religion Islam has the same god as us, and the Qu'ran has truths in it. Allah is not my God. Allah is made by a human. YHWH is my God and lives everlasting. I have no need to listen to Lucy. I have no need for bibles that creates contradictions and authored by the Devil. And you lost your salt a long time ago.Love much, JagLovest ye in Christ Yahshua our Lord and Saviour.
my my, how telling.
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Good luck Superjag. I have yet to give up hope for you.
 

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How foolish and blind are you going to be...you clearly believe that the Alexandrian Texts are reliable. You clearly can not see the work of the Devil. Just like you believe that that evil religion Islam has the same god as us, and the Qu'ran has truths in it. Allah is not my God. Allah is made by a human. YHWH is my God and lives everlasting. I have no need to listen to Lucy. I have no need for bibles that creates contradictions and authored by the Devil. And you lost your salt a long time ago.Love much, JagLovest ye in Christ Yahshua our Lord and Saviour.
my my, how telling.
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Good luck Superjag. I have yet to give up hope for you.I don't need your luck at all. And I have Yahshua right by me watching over me. Despite the fact that you can't see these truth...I still love you and care for your soul...because I know your fruits...it's been shown a long time ago.Lovest thou in Christ Yahshua our Lord and Saviour.P.S. RCC & Islam have much in common.
 

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I don't need your luck at all. And I have Yahshua right by me watching over me. Despite the fact that you can't see these truth...I still love you and care for your soul...because I know your fruits...it's been shown a long time ago.Lovest thou in Christ Yahshua our Lord and Saviour.P.S. RCC & Islam have much in common.
Dear Superjag,Luck can't be given, it was merely being wished. I think you are in good hands, and that if you continue to grow, you will come to recognize that you are right about many things, and perhaps wrong about many things. The Fool is the one who hates rebuke. I think you are honestly mislead, and not dishonestly misleading. However, let's be clear here; all the evidence is against you, and you very seriously have nothing left to stand on.I still care, and I await in hope.P.S. you have much in common with Pagans, such as stoics.
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What are you talking about he's mislead If I remember you are a one world religious supporter think Allah is same as our God when even a converted Muslim Code Red(new member) I just asked that very question he said they are not the same God at all.Im not trying to argue this here in Jags thread but I don't think you have credentials to call him mislead.
 

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I don't need your luck at all. And I have Yahshua right by me watching over me. Despite the fact that you can't see these truth...I still love you and care for your soul...because I know your fruits...it's been shown a long time ago.Lovest thou in Christ Yahshua our Lord and Saviour.P.S. RCC & Islam have much in common.
Dear Superjag,Luck can't be given, it was merely being wished. I think you are in good hands, and that if you continue to grow, you will come to recognize that you are right about many things, and perhaps wrong about many things. The Fool is the one who hates rebuke. I think you are honestly mislead, and not dishonestly misleading. However, let's be clear here; all the evidence is against you, and you very seriously have nothing left to stand on.I still care, and I await in hope.P.S. you have much in common with Pagans, such as stoics.
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How nice to say that of me, when I didn't even direct anything at you. BTW, your rebuke means nothing to me and I don't hate it. And apparently to your miscalculation...you see nothing yet, you knew no truth, and you are so lukewarm. I know it, Kriss knows it, and every true Christians knows it. Satan's kingdom can not stand on itself, it needs a human shield to be on, just like Allah. My God and His truth needs nothing to stand. It's still standing since Day 1 in the first Earth Age. And I need no defense to go against your lost salt.Love much, JagLovest ye in Christ Yahshua our Lord and Saviour.
 

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How nice to say that of me, when I didn't even direct anything at you. BTW, your rebuke means nothing to me and I don't hate it. And apparently to your miscalculation...you see nothing yet, you knew no truth, and you are so lukewarm. I know it, Kriss knows it, and every true Christians knows it. Satan's kingdom can not stand on itself, it needs a human shield to be on, just like Allah. My God and His truth needs nothing to stand. It's still standing since Day 1 in the first Earth Age. And I need no defense to go against your lost salt.Love much, JagLovest ye in Christ Yahshua our Lord and Saviour.
Dear Superjag,I thought I'd clarify; I certainly meant no insult in my previous post.
 

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Continuing Work!
KJV = King James Version, NIV = New Internation Version, NLT = New Living Translation, NWT (aka, Jehovah Witness) = New World Translation, ASV = American Standard Version, RSV = Revised Standard Version, NRSV = New Revised Standard Version, NASV/NASB = New American Standard Version, NCV = New Century Version, TM = The Message, ESV = English Standard Version, CEV = Contemporary English Version, NKJV = New King James Version, AmpV = Amplified Version, GNT = Good News Translation, DT = Darby Translation, NLV = New Life Version, HCSV/HCSB = Holman Christian Standard Version, YLT = Young's Literal TranslationAmen or NOT to Amen? (Romans - 2nd Corinthians)Romans 16:20 KJV - And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen.Romans 16:20 NIV - The God of peace will soon crush Satan under your feet. The grace of our Lord Jesus be with you.(ALSO removed "AMEN" in NASV, TM, ASV, ESV, NLT, NRSV, RSV, GMT, AmpV, CEV, NCV, NWT, DT, NLV, HCSV)Romans 16:24 KJV - The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.Romans 16:24 HCSB - The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all.(ALSO removes "AMEN" in CEV) (Most bibe versions removes this verse)I Corinthians 16:24 KJV - My love be with you all in Christ Jesus. Amen.I Corinthians 16:24 NLT - My love to all of you in Christ Jesus.(ALSO removes "AMEN" in TM, CEV, NCV, NRSV, GNT, NWT, CEV, NCV, HCSV)II Corinthians 13:14 KJV - The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen.II Corinthians 13:14 NIV - May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all.(ALSO removes "AMEN" in NASV, TM, ASV, ESV, NLT, RSV, NWT, NCV, DT, NLV, HCSV)Love much, JagLovest ye in Christ Yahshua our Lord and Saviour.
 

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Please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong on the sixth and seventh part.Sixth....Judas repented of himself...and He did not commit suicide...Kenites murdered him.Matthew 27:3-5 - Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned, repented himself, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders, Saying, I have sinned in that I have betrayed the innocent blood. And they said, What is that to us? see thou to that. And he cast down the pieces of silver in the Temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself.
I find it a little ironic, that you have tried to show us how wrong other translations are, but yet are willing to change what you may not agree withMatt 27:5And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself.The bible is telling us that Judas killed himself to say different is taking away from scripture and then to say the kenites did it, is adding to the scripture. I believe you said that adding or taking away from the word was "evil"Judas may have repented, but that doesn't mean he didn't kill himself, even if he was sorry, that does not mean he was able to live with himself. Also, I am not sure there was real repentance, because Jesus said thisWhile I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
 

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Please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong on the sixth and seventh part.Sixth....Judas repented of himself...and He did not commit suicide...Kenites murdered him.Matthew 27:3-5 - Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned, repented himself, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders, Saying, I have sinned in that I have betrayed the innocent blood. And they said, What is that to us? see thou to that. And he cast down the pieces of silver in the Temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself.
I find it a little ironic, that you have tried to show us how wrong other translations are, but yet are willing to change what you may not agree withMatt 27:5And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself.The bible is telling us that Judas killed himself to say different is taking away from scripture and then to say the kenites did it, is adding to the scripture. I believe you said that adding or taking away from the word was "evil"Judas may have repented, but that doesn't mean he didn't kill himself, even if he was sorry, that does not mean he was able to live with himself. Also, I am not sure there was real repentance, because Jesus said thisWhile I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.I hope you are kidding, but my gut tells me not.I hope you know the Kenites still exists.Genesis 3:15 - And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.Thy seed = the KenitesHer seed = Lineage for Christ to come through.John 8:44 - Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.This verse is talking about their father is Satan and Cain. Since Satan is the father of Cain.On Matthew 27:3 It says that Judas repented. And did you notice the cheif priest and elders say "What is that to us? See thou to that." (Matthew 27:4)The phrase hanged himself.... The Greek word is apagchomai. #519 (Matthew 27:5)apagchomai ap-ang'-khom-ahee from 575 and agcho (to choke; akin to the base of 43); to strangle oneself off (i.e. to death):--hang himself.Now on Acts 1:16-18 - Men and brethren, this scripture must needs have been fulfilled, which the Holy Ghost by the mouth of David spake before concerning Judas, which was guide to them that took Jesus. For he was numbered with us, and had obtained part of this ministry. Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out.Bowels gushed out = His intestine was being spilled out. That tells me Judas was murdered by the cheif priest and elders.Just in case you don't believe it...The word "bowels" the greek word is splagchnon #4698splagchnon splangkh'-non probably strengthened from splen (the "spleen"); an intestine (plural); figuratively, pity or sympathy:--bowels, inward affection, + tender mercy.The cheif priest and elders in those verses...Revelation 2:9 - I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.P.S. Are you kidding me? The modern versions make my Lord a LIAR.2nd P.S. No Christian who truly repented of their sin would kill themselves.Kenites still exist in this world.Love much, JagLovest thou in Christ Yahshua our Lord and Saviour.
 

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The Testimony ofCharlotte Wells* *This is a pseudonym. Sister Charlottenever gave her real name in public.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------This testimony was taken from a cassette tape recording of Sister Charlotte giving her testimony in a Christian gathering (I've heard a copy of the tape). Sources have told us that Charlotte was born in 1898, and entered the convent in approximately the year of 1910. She experienced salvation in 1945, and began giving this testimony in the next few years following her conversion throughout the United States and Canada.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Source: [url="http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/charlot1.htm]http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/charlot1.htm[/url]Much love, JagLovest ye in Christ Yahshua our Lord and Saviour.
 

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A ROMAN CATHOLIC TESTIMONYBy Earl Payne
I was born in a Catholic hospital, baptized by a priest, educated in the Roman Catholic catechism, received my first communion at St. Augustine's Catholic Church, went to confession, performed acts of penance, and became an altar boy.Later, while in the U.S. Army, I had the opportunity to attend Bible studies at a nearby church. Although I had attended Mass and studied the catechism, I had never been taught from God's Word. Through the Scriptures, I learned to trust the Lord Jesus Christ as my own personal Saviour and received God's gift of eternal life.As I continued to study the Bible, I discovered its teaching to be quite different from my earlier religious instruction. Following are just a few examples:The concept of a Pope is not found anywhere in Scripture. Catholicism teaches that Peter was the first Pope, the rock on which that church is built. The Bible teaches that that Rock is Christ, as the Apostle Peter himself testified (Acts 4:8-12). (Also Ephesians 2:20 and 1 Co-rinthians 10:4). When the Lord Jesus said "...upon this rock I will build my church," He wasn't speaking of the weak and bungling Peter who would soon deny the Lord three times with oaths and swearing. He spoke of Himself, the One who never wavers. As Hebrews 13:8 declares, "Jesus Christ, the same yesterday, today, and forever."The Catholic Church forbids priests, nun & popes, to marry, however, Peter was married (Matthew 8:14 ), and so were other apostles. 1Timothy 4:3 condemns any religious group which forbids marriage.The rosary is an important part of Catholicism. Over those beads millions of "Our Fathers" and "Hail Mary's" have been recited. Yet the Scripture says in Matthew 6:7, "When you pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do..." Vain repetitions is an accurate de-scription of someone praying the rosary. The Lord said that "heathen" use vain repetitions when they pray, and He commanded us not to follow them.Catholics pray to Mary and the saints, and they confess sins to their priests to seek forgiveness. However, the Bible plainly declares in1I Timothy 2:5, "...there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus. " Since Christ is the only mediator between God and men, why pray, "Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners...?" And why go to a confessional to find a mediator (a "go-between") between yourself and God?Mary is called the "Blessed Virgin," but she did not remain a virgin after the birth of Jesus. Matthew 13:55 reads, "Is not this the carpenter's son? Is his mother called Mary? And his brethren James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas? And his sisters, are they not all with us?" Mary had a large family. She was definitely not the "Blessed Virgin" after the birth of Christ.Another fictitious element of the Catholic religion is purgatory, a place where people who missed hell but weren't good enough to get into heaven suffer until their sins are "purged," at which time they are allowed into heaven's gates. As with other points we have mentioned, one can search the Bible from cover to cover without finding a hint at such a place. What we discover repeatedly, though, is that Christ Jesus the Lord has already "purged" our sins (Hebrews 1:3). 1 John 1:7 says further, "...the blood of Jesus Christ his (God's) Son cleanseth us from all sin." According to God, purgatory is unnecessary and nonexistent.The Roman Catholic Church teaches that a person goes to heaven by living a good life, being a good Catholic, going to confession and com-munion, and doing other deeds which they consider meritorious. The teaching of the Bible on this all-important subject is far different. Romans 6:23 tells us, "...the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." Ephesians 2:8-9 states, "For by grace are ye saved, through faith, and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God, not of works, lest, any man should boast. " The Bible makes it clear in these verses and throughout its pages that heaven and eternal life are received as a gift, based on the merits of the Lord Jesus Christ alone. It specifically declares that it is "not of works." Yet in the face of this, the Catholic Church, as well as many other religions and denominations, teach that a person must earn salvation.When the Bible says, "He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life," it is talking about a person relying on Christ alone for forgiveness and salvation and trusting the Saviour to do what a Saviour is supposed to do - to save! If a person tries to live in a certain fashion to merit heaven, he is trusting in his own deeds to save him - which means he is not trusting Christ as his Saviour - which means he is not saved!As Lord of all, the Lord Jesus Christ deserves our undivided reverence. As the Saviour of sinners, He requires us to admit our guilt and accept His all-sufficient payment for our sin. You cannot do this and believe the doctrines of Roman Catholicism at the same time, for as we have seen, the two are diametrically opposed.Therefore, I no longer believe the teachings of Catholicism. Instead, I rely on the Word of God which shall stand forever. I am no longer a Roman Catholic. Instead, I have God's gift of eternal life through the Lord Jesus Christ.The gift of eternal life is available to everyone. But the only people who receive it are those who are willing to give up their own ideas and traditions and put their trust in the Saviour. "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish but have everlasting life." (John 3:16) This "whosoever" means me. It can mean YOU!Don't' let anyone or anything stand between you and this precious gift. No one has a right to interfere with the reception of the gift of life, not even your church.Choose Christ! Choose Life! And begin to live - FOREVER! For your sake and His glory.
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CCM: Evanescence Exposed
(Terry Watkins)
Another revealing testimony to the complete spiritual blindness of CCM is the unmasking of the gothic metal band Evanescence. Evanescence’s album Fallen was heavily marketed by the mega Christian music distributor Provident and it swiftly climbed to the Number One spot on Billboard’s Christian charts! Virtually overnight, Evanescence was the new “shining star” of the Christian Music world. But there was one little-bitty problem. . .Evanescence is not a Christian band!In Entertainment Weekly (April 18, 2003), Evanescence finally could no longer take it. The spiritual blindness of the Contemporary Christian Music world even baffled Evanescence! Guitarist Ben Moody flatly tells Entertainment Weekly, “We’re actually high on the Christian charts, and I’m like, What the f*** are we even doing there?” (Entertainment Weekly, April 18, 2003, p. 41)Yea, what are they doing there?Here is how spiritually-blind, CCM magazine reviewed Evanescence’s Fallen: “Evanescence’s unapologetic declaration of faith in songs like ‘Tourniquet’ and ‘Whisper’ have Christian message boards buzzing with commentary about the band’s seemingly brave ‘Jesus’ agenda.” (CCM, May 2003, p. 41)Their “unapologetic declaration of faith”? Their brave “Jesus agenda”?Let's take a look at some of Evanescence's lyrics. Let us examine their “unapologetic declaration of faith”:In their song, Breathe No More, they openly sing, ". . . I've come to believe my souls on the other side". Breathe No More - Evanescence (Fallen) I've been looking in the mirror for so long. That I've come to believe my souls on the other side. . . And I bleed, I bleed, . . . Convince me that I've been sick forever. Bring Me To Life - Evanescence (Fallen) How can you see into my eyes. . . Without a soul my spirit's sleeping somewhere cold . . . Save me. Call my name and save me from the dark. Wake me up. Bid my blood to run. . . Everybody's Fool - Evanescence (Fallen) Lost in your lies . . . I know the truth now I know who you are. . . Never was and never will be Not for real that you can save me And somehow now you're everybody's foolIn Farther Away, Evanescene sings, "I sold my soul just to hide the light!" To a Christian - the Light is the Lord Jesus Christ (John 8:12). "And now I see what I really am - A thief, A ***** and a liar". Is this the kind of music our Christian youth should be listening to? Would anyone, with ANY spiritual discernment, possibly believe this is Bible-Believing Christian music? Farther Away - Evanescence (Fallen) I sold my soul just to hide the light. And now I see what I really am, A thief a *****, and a liar. Hello - Evanescence (Fallen) Don't try to fix me I'm not broken Hello, I'm the lie living for you so you can hide...In their song Imaginary, even throws in a little wicca, pagan, new-age doctrine with "the goddess of imaginary light" Imaginary - Evanescence (Fallen) Oh how I long for the deep sleep dreaming The goddess of imaginary light My Last Breath - Evanescence (Fallen) Closing your eyes You pray your dreams will leave you here, But still you wake and know the truth - No one's there. Say goodnight, don't be afraid Calling me, holding me, as you fade to black.In their song Whisper, Evanescence sings the "this truth drives me into madness" and "fallen angels at my feet" who "whisper voices at my ear. Death before my eyes". Who, with any real Christian spiritual discernment, could honestly recommend and endorse this to our Christian young people? Whisper - Evanescence (Fallen) No one's here and I fall into myself This truth drive me Into madness I know I can stop the pain. . . Fallen angels at my feet Whispered voices at my ear Death before my eyes"truth drive me into madness. . ."?How different from the words of the Lord Jesus. Jesus says in John 8:32, "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free"How in the world, can ANYONE possibly believe this is Christian music?In the song Tourniquet, Evanescence sings a haunting, dark, gothic, blasphemous cry mocking salvation. They even toss in the title "Christ". Music-Critic.ca says of Tourniquet: "The question of whether God is listening or even there at all is brought up throughout the song,. . ." ([url="http://www.music-critic.ca/album-reviews/evanescence_fallen.shtml]www.music-critic.ca/album-reviews/evanescence_fallen.shtml[/url]) And this is a Christian message? Tourniquet - Evanescence (Fallen) Am I too lost to be saved ?. . . My God! My Tourniquet, Return to me salvation. . . Lost for so long. Will you be on the other side ? Will you forgive me ? . . . My soul cries, for deliverance. Will I be denied ? Christ! Tourniquet! My suicide.And CCM magazine praises this wickedness for their “unapologetic declaration of faith” and their “brave ‘Jesus’ agenda”! How can anyone possibly be that spiritually blind?No wonder Singer Amy Lee also tells Entertainment Weekly, “I guarantee that if the Christian bookstore owners LISTENED to some of those songs, they wouldn’t sell the CD."Now what does that testify to the spiritual discernment of the Contemporary Christian Music world? Compare CCM's misleading "brave 'Jesus' agenda" and "unapologetic declaration of faith" review of Fallen to MTV's review of Fallen: "Sounds Like: Exactly how they look: dark, eerie, and unabashedly rocking. . . " MTV's review of Fallen ([url="http://www.mtvasia.com/reviews/cds/Items/2003050702.html]www.mtvasia.com/reviews/cds/Items/2003050702.html[/url], emphasis added)Here's how Unearthed.com's describes Fallen: "When one looks longs into the darkness, it stares into the depths of your soul as well. This abysmal introspection builds the beautiful ruins of truth. Just such a stark glory is what shines in the band Evanescence. . . pristine vocals soar over emotional, ethereal instrumentals ranging from the soft and sorrowful to the dark, heavy melees of aggression. . .Evanescence is not brutal, but is darkly heavy." ([url="http://www.unearthed.com/reviews/review_r_0232.shtml]http://www.unearthed.com/reviews/review_r_0232.shtml[/url])What's the difference? The secular world is simply listening to the music and making an honest evaluation. And the CCM crowd, as Evanescence's lead singer told Entertainment Weekly, "There are people hell-bent on the idea that we're a Christian band in disguise, and that we have some secret message,"She got that right! They are "HELL bent". There is no way the Holy Spirit of God EVER lead anyone to recommend Evanescence to Christian young people! Not in a million years!In Matthew 13:15, the Lord Jesus Christ describes some people whose "heart is waxed gross" and their ears are "dull of hearing". They hear it, but because of the deception in their heart, they can no longer hear the truth. A perfect description of many in Contemporary Christian Music. They are so caught up in rock music, they are not spiritually capable of hearing the truth.For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.Matthew 13:15
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CCM: Carmen Exposed
(Terry Watkins)
When Elvis and the Beatles first appeared, the secular world was shocked as teenage girls screamed in lustful affection for their gods. Shout! magazine (Dec.1995, p.35) says of Carman, “...just the mention of his name brings excitement to throngs of fans, many of whom are women.”Carman tells Shout, "I don't know what I do to attract women, I'm just trying to do what God told me to do long ago - bring the gospel to the world."Yea. . . Right. . .The Minneapolis Star Tribune in an article titled "Is he Elvis? Is he John Travolta? Nope. He's Carman", describes a sensual, carnal and ungodly Carman concert as: "On his toes, he's a deep-voiced Elvis, swiveling his hips until the pointed-finger disco of 'Saturday Night Fever' kicks in, and he's suddenly John Travolta with a Bee Gees shrill. He raps, he rocks, he line dances. . ." (Minneapolis Star Tribune, Is he Elvis? Is he John Travolta? Nope. He's Carman, 09-13-1996, p. 01E)For some strange reason, I do not think swiveling your hips, rapping, rocking, line dancing, Elvis and John Travolta impersonations is what the Lord Jesus had in mind when He said in Mark 16:15, ". . . Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel. . ."To no great surprise, Carman's "The Official R.I.O.T. Tourbook" lists Carman's Dream duet with none other than sex-symbol-heartthrob - Tom Jones!
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An "enlightening" display of irony occurred when Carman printed his back page ad for "Halloween 3:16" in the Oct. 29, 1998 "Life" section of USA Today. It seems there was a slight typographical error. . . The ad stated referring to Carman - "See Him live." (See image at ABOVE)The "h" in "him" was "capitalized". To capitalize a "pronoun" (other than the beginning of a sentence) is to emphasize deity or God! The capitalization of a pronoun is reserved for God ONLY!Sound familiar? It was the same lie Satan told Eve in Genesis 3:5, ". . .and ye shall be as gods. . ."According to CCM (CCM, December 1998, p.24) this little typo cost Carman $300,000.
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Carman’s Resurrection Rap video is some of the worst blasphemy I have ever witnessed. The video has the Lord Jesus Christ as a confused street hippie, the Pharisees and apostles are black street gang members. The crucifixion takes place, not on Calvary — but in a back alley gang fight. The body of the Lord Jesus is thrown into a garbage dumpster!
Source: [url="http://www.av1611.org/crock/crockex3.html]http://www.av1611.org/crock/crockex3.html[/url]II Corinthians 11:4 - For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
 

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Reasons Why TRUE Christian Music Can Not Be Rock Music
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Updated August 14, 2000 (first published December 30, 1998) (David W. Cloud, Fundamental Baptist Information Service, P.O. Box 610368, Port Huron, MI 48061-0368, [email protected]) - CCM defenders usually deny that there is a connection between voodoo and African witchcraft and rock music. Steve Lawhead, in his book Rock Reconsidered, quotes Tony Palmer: "That rock and its ‘evil beat’ originated with the slaves of Africa is a racist notion which will not stand up" (Rock Reconsidered, pp. 55-60). Dan and Steve Peters present the same nonsense on page 187 of their book What About Christian Rock?Such a denial is absolute spiritual blindness. Dr. William Sargent, head of the Psychological Medicine Department at St. Thomas Hospital in London, says "the Beatles and African witch doctors all practiced a similar type of brainwashing" (Wichita Beacon, Feb. 17, 1965, p. 11A). Leonard Seidel, a concert pianist and distinguished lecturer on music, has researched this topic and exposes the lie that there is no connection between voodoo and African paganism and rock music:--------------------------------------------------------------------------"The incessant, poly-rhythms pounded out on cylindrical drums [by African tribals] is the catalyst of rhythm and blues, rock and roll, and today’s heavy metal. It is amazing that the reactions we see at a contemporary rock concert are an exact copy of what happened in the Pinkster celebrations [black festivals in New York] or at Place Congo [black slave dancing in New Orleans] during the Antebellum Period. Any analysis that denies this fact renders the church impoverished in its understanding of the African connection to the rock movement of the 20th century. "In Stairway to Heaven, Davin Seay quotes Robert Palmer in Rolling Stone illustrated History of Rock ‘N’ Roll, ‘In a very real sense rock was implicit in the music of the first Africans brought to North America. And implicit in their music were centuries of accumulated rites, rituals, and religious fervor. The music of those first brutalized and bewildered slaves, ripped from cultures as old as the Pyramids, those ancient chants and tribal stomps, didn’t simply evoke the spirits of the forest gods; they animated and immortalized them’ (Davin Seay, Stairway to Heaven, New York: Ballantine Books, 1986, p. 11). "Implications such as these lead to a deeper investigation and a focus on the slaves who were brought to the Caribbean Isles. One of the most significant books ever published on this subject is the study done by Maya Deren under the Guggenheim Foundation in 1953 concerning the history of the African tribal origins of demon gods and voodoo meetings in Haiti. The book Divine Horseman--The Living Gods of Haiti, deals with the importation of the slaves from the West coast of Africa to the Caribbean Islands. These slaves were taken from the same tribes from which the slaves in the Colonies were taken: Senegalese, Bambaras, Arades, Congos, Kangas, Fons and Fulas. The first slave shipment to Haiti was in 1510. "As with the Colony slaves, THEY BROUGHT WITH THEM ONLY THEIR WORSHIP OF GODS, THEIR DANCES AND THEIR DRUM BEATS. Eileen Southern states: ‘There is no question that Haiti was the central place where African religious traditions · syncretized with Catholic beliefs and practices to produce vaudou, (voodoo) · the ceremonies centered upon worship of the snake god Damballa through singing, dancing, and spirit possession’ (emphasis added) (Eileen Southern, The Music of Black Americans, New York: W.W. Horton, 1983, p. 139). "THEIR RELIGIOUS WORSHIP WAS BASED ON DRUMS AND DANCING, and as they worshipped a god or demon, the ultimate experience was to have their bodies possessed by that demon. The rituals were grossly sensualistic and sadistic. Firmly set in the Caribbean Isles, the practice made its way to the shores of the United States primarily through the city of New Orleans. Historically, slaves from Santo Domingo were brought to the States during the Haitian revolution in 1804, but voodoo probably existed before this because the state of Louisiana imported slaves from the West Indies in 1716, and the practice was also reported in Missouri, Georgia and Florida. "The dances of New Orleans were named for the voodoo gods of the worship rituals. The Samba was dedicated to the god ‘simbi,’ god of seduction and fertility. The Conga was named after the African demon ‘congo.’ The Mamba was named after the voodoo priestess who offered sacrifices to the demons during the rituals. Sheldon Rodman, author of Haiti, the Black Republic, describes these dances and relates them to the dances of today. It is interesting to note that in the 1981 rock album, My Life in the Bush of Ghosts, by Brian Eno and David Byrne, they coaxed African spirits from rock’s own dim past. "THE MOST POINTED OBSERVATION MADE IN MAYA DEREN’S BOOK CONCERNS THE DRUMMER, THE RHYTHMS AND THE BEAT. ‘Of all the individuals related to ritual activity it is the drummer whose role would seem almost analogous to that of an individual virtuoso ... Haitian ritual drumming requires more explicit craft training and practice than any other ritual activity’ (Maya Deren, Divine Horseman--The Living Gods of Haiti, New Paltz: McPherson & Co., 1953, p. 233). "She observes that the dancers are forced to salute the drummers first before any other part of the ritual is entered into. It is obvious that without the drum, the ritual cannot progress. What a striking parallel to the modern rock band! The drum set is always center stage, usually elevated behind the lead singer. Without the drummer (or in many cases the bass guitarist), the rock band would cease to exist. "Further, Miss Deren writes that it is ‘upon the drummer that the burden falls of integrating the participants into a homogeneous collective. It is the drumming which fuses the fifty or more individuals into a single body, making them move as one, as if all of these singular bodies had become linked on the thread of a single pulse--a pulse which beats ... sending the body into a slow serpentine undulation which begins in the shoulders, then the spine, legs and hips’ (Deren, Divine Horseman, p. 235). "This description is a remarkable parallel to that which takes place at a modern rock concert. One has only to watch a video of the audience to be convinced. The actions would give an observer the impression that some sort of possession has occurred. Miss Deren goes to some length in her book to describe the inanimate object of the drum as being sacred, even to the place of being ‘fed food’ and guarded by those attending. ‘It is the drums and the drum beats per se, which are the sacred sound’ (Deren, Divine Horseman, pp. 244-246). "Pearl Primus, long noted for her expertise on the voodoo dance, has said, ‘The drummers keep up a terrific throb and beat which very easily takes possession of the sensibilities of the worshippers. Observers say that these drums themselves are able to bring a person to a place where it is easy for the deity (loa) to take possession of their bodies--the defenseless person is buffeted by each stroke as the drummer sets out to ‘beat the loa (god) into his head: The person cringes with each large (accented) beat as if the drum mallet descended upon his very skull; he ricochets about the place, clutching blindly at the arms extended to support him’ (Lecture, Mount Holyoke College, Holyoke, Massachusetts, Mary E. Wooley Hall, 1953). "There can be no denying that there is a strong relationship between what we have uncovered in demonic Haitian voodoo and its counterpart in the city of New Orleans and other southern cities. THERE IS ALSO NO DENYING THAT THE MODERN ROCK AND ROLL MOVEMENT EVOLVED PARTIALLY FROM SOME OF THE DANCES DESCRIBED EARLIER, PROGRESSING THROUGH A NUMBER OF STAGES: RHUMBA DANCING, RHYTHM AND BLUES, ROCK AND ROLL, DISCO, HEAVY METAL AND PUNK ROCK. There are, of course, other elements that make up the evolution of rock music; however, that is not the issue here. Concerning disco, Miss Southern says, ‘The insistent pounding rhythms of disco pushed conventional melody and harmonies into subordinate positions ... in a manner that recalled descriptions of juba reciting to accompany dancing on the plantations in the nineteenth century’ (Eileen Southern, The Music of Black Americans, New York: Norton and Co., 1983, p. 507). ... "Ruth Tooze and Beatrice Krone in their book relate that ‘the same instinct for pulsating rhythms that is found in the negro songs is carried over into their use of instruments ... banjos on the plantations and later in the city where they adapted to the trumpet, clarinet and trombone. With their inate talent for improvisation, a new kind of instrumental music was created--we call it jazz’ (Ruth Tooze, Beatrice Krone, Literature and Music, Englewood Cliffs: Prentice Hall, 1955, p. 105). "IT IS IRREFUTABLE THAT ROCK AND ROLL MUSIC OWES SOME OF ITS ROOTS TO THE TRIBES OF AFRICA. Every analysis written on the subject acknowledges that its roots are deep in ‘jazz’ and ‘rhythm and blues.’ Because of the relationship between American Negro music and the African, they have coined a term that is used considerably today, ‘Aframerican music’ (Literature and Music, p. 102). Joseph Machlis says in his voluminous work, The Enjoyment of Music, ‘Jazz, by a rough definition-of-thumb is an improvisational, Afro-American musical idiom. It makes use of elements of rhythm, melody and harmony from Africa, and of melody and harmony from the European musical tradition. The influence of jazz, and of closely associated Afro-American idioms has been so pervasive, that by now most of our popular music is in an Afro-American idiom, and elements of jazz have permeated a good deal of our concert music as well’ (Joseph Machlis, The Enjoyment of Music, New York: W. W. Norton, 1963, p. 597). "To declare that these are the only roots of rock music is to mislead and to be less than honest. A careful study of rock music reveals it to be more complex than that; however, TO DENY THAT AN AFRICAN CONNECTION TO THE ROCK RHYTHMS OF OUR DAY DOES NOT EXIST, IS TO BE EQUALLY MISLEADING AND DISHONEST. To declare that a certain rhythm or beat is ‘evil’ cannot be proved entirely. What is far more important is THE HISTORICAL REVELATION THAT DEMONIC ACTIVITY HAS BEEN OBSERVED IN CONNECTION WITH RITUALS WHERE DRUMS AND RHYTHMIC BEATS HAVE BEEN THE CATALYST. That this possibility exists should prove a warning to the church that Satan can and will use anything in his power to turn humanity from the worship of a Holy God to himself in order that he might ultimately fulfill his evil purposes and receive the glory" (Leonard J. Seidel, Face the Music: Contemporary Church Music on Trial, 1988, p. 34-42).--------------------------------------------------------------------------THE CONNECTION BETWEEN ROCK & ROLL AND VOODOO HAS BEEN NOTED EVEN BY UNSAVED ROCK MUSICIANS AND RESEARCHERS. The British rock session drummer, Rocki (Kwasi Dzidzornu), who has recorded with many famous groups and musicians such as the Rolling Stones, Spooky Tooth, and Ginger Baker, understood that the music of Jimi Hendrix was akin to voodoo music. Note the following amazing statement from Hendrix’s biography:"He [Hendrix] had gotten a chance to see Rocki and some other African musicians on the London scene. He found it a pleasure to play rhythms against their polyrhythms. They would totally get outside, into another kind of space that he had seldom been in before. ... ROCKI’S FATHER WAS A VOODOO PRIEST AND THE CHIEF DRUMMER of a village in Ghana, West Africa. Rocki’s real name was Kwasi Dzidzornu. ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS ROCKI ASKED JIMI WAS WHERE HE GOT THAT VOODOO RHYTHM FROM. When Jimi demurred, Rocki went on to explain in his halting English that many of the signature rhythms Jimi played on guitar were very often the same rhythms that his father played in voodoo ceremonies. The way Jimi danced to the rhythms of his playing reminded Rocki of the ceremonial dances to the rhythms his father played to Oxun, the god of thunder and lightning. The ceremony is called voodooshi. As a child in the village, Rocki would carve wooden representatives of the gods. They also represented his ancestors. These were the gods they worshiped. They would jam a lot in Jimi’s house. One time they were jamming and Jimi stopped and asked Rocki point-blank, ‘You communicate with God, do you?’ Rocki said, ‘Yes, I communicate with God’" (David Henderson, ‘Scuse Me While I Kiss the Sky, pp. 250,251).As we have noted, there are proponents of "Christian rock" music who label such an idea "racist." In Hendrix’s biography, though (which is NOT written by a Christian), we see that the non-Christian son of an actual voodoo priest sees a direct connection between the music of rock star Jimi Hendrix and idolatrous voodoo. Is the black rock drummer Rocki a racist for making such an observation? His remarks cannot be dismissed conveniently as the ranting of a biblical fundamentalist!Newsweek magazine noted the African and voodoo music connection in disco rock: "From Latin music, it takes the percolating percussion, its sensuous, throbbing rhythms; from Afro and Cuban music, it repeats simple lyric lines like voodoo chants" (Newsweek, April 2, 1979, pp. 58,59).Well-known rock artist Peter Gabriel has no doubt that there is a direct African connection to rock & roll:"The idea that certain rhythm patterns or sequences serve as conduits for spiritual energies, linking individual human consciousness with the gods, is basic to traditional African religions and African-derived religions throughout the Americas. And whether we’re speaking historically or musicologically, THE FUNDAMENTAL RIFFS, LICKS, BASS FIGURES, AND DRUM RHYTHMS THAT MAKE ROCK AND ROLL ROCK CAN ULTIMATELY BE TRACED BACK TO AFRICAN MUSIC OF A PRIMARILY SPIRITUAL OR RITUAL NATURE. In a sense, rock and roll is a kind of ‘voodoo,’ rooted in a vigorous tradition of celebrating nature [that which the Bible calls "the flesh] and spirit that’s far removed from the sober patriarchal values espoused by the self-appointed guardians of western culture [this is a reference to Bible-believing Christians, among others]" (emphasis added) (Robert Palmer, Rock and Roll an Unruly History).In a 1982 interview with one of the fathers of rock & roll, Jerry Lee Lewis, researcher Steve Turner asked what power falls on Jerry Lee when he performs. Lewis replied: "The power of voodoo" (Turner, Hungry for Heaven, p. 26).Little Richard, another of rock’s fathers, has also testified of this connection:"My true belief about Rock ‘n’ Roll--and there have been a lot of phrases attributed to me over the years--is this: I believe this kind of music is demonic. ... A LOT OF THE BEATS IN MUSIC TODAY ARE TAKEN FROM VOODOO, FROM THE VOODOO DRUMS. If you study music in rhythms, like I have, you’ll see that is true ... I believe that kind of music is driving people from Christ. It is contagious" (Little Richard, quoted by Charles White, The Life and Times of Little Richard, p. 197).It would be a simple matter, I suppose, for a proponent of Christian rock music to discount the testimony of Little Richard, perhaps because of his strange personality and his on again, off again relationship with Christianity. But answer me this: Do the defenders of Christian rock really know more about the character of rock and roll than a man like Little Richard, who was one of its creators?The Rolling Stones and other rock & roll groups have recorded tribal and voodoo occultic drumming ceremonies and incorporated these into their rock music. The Stones’ Goat’s Head Soup album allegedly contained such recordings, including the vicious drumming and the screams of voodoo adherents becoming possessed by loa or evil spirits.John Lennon said rock & roll gets through to people because of its voodoo beat: "Because it is primitive enough and has no bull, really, the best stuff, and it gets through to you its beat. GO TO THE JUNGLE AND THEY HAVE THE RHYTHM and it goes throughout the world and it’s as simple as that" (Lennon, Rolling Stone, Feb. 12, 1976, p 100).Tony Sanchez, who traveled with the Stones for many years and who wrote a book about them, described the music at their infamous concert at Altamonte, during which many people were injured and killed, as "POUNDING VOODOO DRUMMING and primitive shrieks" (Sanchez, Up and Down with the Rolling Stones, p. 184). He described the music of the Rolling Stones song "Gimme Shelter" as "HYPNOTIC, VOODOO RHYTHM" (Sanchez, p. 175).Malcolm McLaren, who managed vile punk groups such as the Sex Pistols and Adam and the Ant, incorporated ZULU TRIBAL MUSIC into his 1983 Duck Rock album.Musicologist John Chernoff studied drumming in Africa, even participating in animal sacrifices and other pagan ceremonies to appease the drum spirits. After these demonic ceremonies, he claimed that his arms did not tire and he "seemed never to make a mistake." Chernoff noted the close connection between voodoo-type African cult drumming and rock and roll: "· great drummers, aficionados, and scholars can trace the rhythms of the Latin dance halls of New York to Cuban and Brazilian cults and then to West Africa. In Haiti, I demonstrated for some drummers several Yeve Cult rhythms which were familiar enough to have Haitian names·" (Chernoff, African Rhythm and African Sensibility, p. 29).David Byrne of Talking Heads produced a documentary film, The House of Life (1981), on THE DRUMMING AND CHANTING RITUALS OF THE AFRICAN-ROOTED RELIGION CANDOMBLE in Brazil, during which the followers are taken over by their gods. "If you go back in the history of American popular music, you’re constantly finding elements of Yoruba [voodoo] influence. The RHYTHMS are there· Even Little Richard. If you grow up with that, you’ve already got a taste of it. So when you see Candomble, you say to yourself, ‘hey, this is part of where it all comes from’" (Byrne, Rolling Stone, July 13-27, 1989, p. 78).Before his death, Brian Jones of the Rolling Stones spent time in Morocco recording the trance music of Moroccan dervish brotherhoods, "who were reported to heal sickness and soothe troubled minds with their HYPNOTIC DRUMMING, singsong drone, and bluesy lute playing" (Stairway to Heaven, p. 178). Jones "trekked into the Rif foothills south of Tangier to capture the ancient MUSIC, OFFERED TO THE GOAT DEITY PAN, and for the next several months lost himself in producing what would eventually become the posthumously released Brian Jones Presents the Pipes of Pan at Jajouka" (Ibid.).David Szatmary’s book A Time to Rock: A Social History of Rock ‘n’ Roll traces rock to African rhythms. Under the section on "the Birth of the Blues," this secular rock historian says: "THE BLUES WERE AN INDIGENOUS CREATION OF BLACK SLAVES WHO ADAPTED THEIR AFRICAN MUSICAL HERITAGE TO THE AMERICAN ENVIRONMENT. Though taking many forms and undergoing many permutations through the years, the blues formed the basis of rock-and-roll. · Probably most important, the slaves, accustomed to dancing and singing to the beat of drums in Africa, EMPHASIZED RHYTHM OVER HARMONY" (p. 2).Mickey Hart, drummer for the Grateful Dead, has studied the connection between rock music and African paganism extensively. He says that rock and roll is "the latest extension of the African backbeat" (Mickey Hart, Drumming at the Edge of Magic, p. 64). He also says that the "mother rhythms from West Africa mutated into rock and roll" (p. 91). He traces a direct connection between rock & roll and the rhythms of witch doctors and voodoo practitioners. "· when the slave ships began playing the waters between the New World and West Africa, everyone though they carried just strong, expendable bodies. But they were also carrying the Counterplayer culture--maybe even the mother goddess culture--preserved in the form of drum rhythms that could call down the Orisha from their time to ours. In the Caribbean and South America, slaves were allowed to keep their drums and thus preserved their vital connection with the Orisha, though the sudden mingling of so many different tribes produced new variations like candomble, santeria, and vodun. · AND OUT OF THIS SEVERING CAME JAZZ, THE BLUES, THE BACKBEAT, RHYTHM AND BLUES, AND ROCK AND ROLL--SOME OF THE MOST POWERFUL RHYTHMS ON THE PLANET. · It is hard to pinpoint the exact moment when I awoke to the fact that my tradition--rock and roll--did have a spirit side, that there was a branch of the family that had maintained the ancient connection between the drum and the gods" (Mickey Hart, drummer for the Grateful Dead, Drumming at the Edge of Magic, pp. 209,210,212).Michael D’Angelo Archer’s 1999 album is entitled Voodoo. He says he called it that "because the myriad influences found on it can be traced through the blues and back deeper in history through songs sung · in religious [voodoo] ceremonies" (USA Today, Jan. 25, 2000, p. D2). Thus Archer readily acknowledges the intimate connection between African pagan religions and today’s rock music.Music is not neutral. There is music that encourages demonic activity, and there is music that encourages Holy Spirit activity. There is music which ministers to the carnal side of man, and there is music which ministers to the spiritual side of man. Rock music has always been associated with the carnal and demonic. It has no legitimate place in Christian life and ministry.
Source: [url="http://wayoflife.org/fbns/isthere.htm]http://wayoflife.org/fbns/isthere.htm[/url]I Corinthians 10:21-22 - Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils. Do we provoke the Lord to jealousy? are we stronger than he?Galatians 5:17 - For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
 

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The bible is telling us that Judas killed himself to say different is taking away from scripture and then to say the kenites did it, is adding to the scripture. I believe you said that adding or taking away from the word was "evil"
Acts 1:16-18
Men and brethren, this scripture must needs have been fulfilled, which the Holy Ghost by the mouth of David spake before concerning Judas, which was guide to them that took Jesus. For he was numbered with us, and had obtained part of this ministry. Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out.
But wait, Matthew says he hanged himself? Either the Bible contradicts itself(it doesn't) or Judas had some help. If he hung himself, how was he cast into the field to burst asunder? His death was verified and the gruesome event of his bowels falling out is a direct result of help.
While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
Judas is not the son of perdition. This has to be one of the top five misquoted verses of the Bible. Perdition means one very specific thing and only one being is condemned to death (Ezekiel 28).Revelation 17:8
The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
Satan is the one and only son of perdition.
 

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Bible (KJV) vs Qu'ran
Is Cain the son of Adam?Qu'ran 005:027 YASUFALI - Recite to them the truth of the story of the two sons of Adam. Behold! they each presented a sacrifice (to Allah): It was accepted from one, but not from the other. Said the latter: "Be sure I will slay thee." "Surely," said the former, "Allah doth accept of the sacrifice of those who are righteous.Source: [url="http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/005.qmt.html#005.027]http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/005.qmt.html#005.027[/url]Genesis 3:15 KJV - And I will put enmity, between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.Genesis 5:3-4 KJV - And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, and after his image; and called his name Seth: And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:Qu'ran 005:030 YASUFALI - The (selfish) soul of the other led him to the murder of his brother: he murdered him, and became (himself) one of the lost ones.Source: [url="http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/005.qmt.html#005.030]http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/005.qmt.html#005.030[/url]John 8:44 KJV - Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.1000 years as 1 Day to God or 50,000 years as 1 Day to God?Allah's Day is 1000 years...Qu'ran 022:047 - YASUFALI - Yet they ask thee to hasten on the Punishment! But Allah will not fail in His Promise. Verily a Day in the sight of thy Lord is like a thousand years of your reckoning.Source: [url="http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/022.qmt.html#022.047]http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/022.qmt.html#022.047[/url]Qu'ran 032:005 YUSUFALI - He rules (all) affairs from the heavens to the earth: in the end will (all affairs) go up to Him, on a Day, the space whereof will be (as) a thousand years of your reckoning. [url="http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/032.qmt.html#032.005]http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/032.qmt.html#032.005[/url]YHWH's Day is 1,000 years.2 Peter 3:8 KJV - But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.Allah's Day is 50,000 years...Qu'ran 070:004 YASUFALI - The angels and the spirit ascend unto him in a Day the measure whereof is (as) fifty thousand years:Source: [url="http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/070.qmt.html#070.004]http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/070.qmt.html#070.004[/url]Allah's 1 Day "scriptures" creates a contradiction.Allah is Good and Evil.Qu'ran 004:078 YUSUFALI - "Wherever ye are, death will find you out, even if ye are in towers built up strong and high!" If some good befalls them, they say, "This is from Allah"; but if evil, they say, "This is from thee" (O Prophet). Say: "All things are from Allah." But what hath come to these people, that they fail to understand a single fact?Source: [url="http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/004.qmt.html#004.078]http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/004.qmt.html#004.078[/url]Satan is Good and EvilGenesis 2:16-17 KJV - And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die......................Allah grants Life and DeathQu'ran 044:008 YASUFALI - There is no god but He: It is He Who gives life and gives death,- The Lord and Cherisher to you and your earliest ancestors.Source: [url="http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/044.qmt.html#044.008]http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/044.qmt.html#044.008[/url]Qu'ran 053:044 YASUFALI - That it is He Who granteth Death and Life;Source: [url="http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/053.qmt.html#053.044]http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/053.qmt.html#053.044[/url]Qu'ran 057:002 YASUFALI - To Him belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth: It is He Who gives Life and Death; and He has Power over all things.Source: [url="http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/057.qmt.html#057.002]http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/057.qmt.html#057.002[/url]Quran 067:002 YUSUFALI - He Who created Death and Life, that He may try which of you is best in deed: and He is the Exalted in Might, Oft-Forgiving;-Source: [url="http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/067.qmt.html#067.002]http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/067.qmt.html#067.002[/url]God gives LifeJohn 3:16 KJV - For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.John 1:4 KJV - In him was life; and the life was the light of men.John 14:6 KJV - Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.Satan gives DeathRevelation 6:8 KJV - And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.Genesis 3:5 KJV - For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.II Corinthians 11:14 KJV - And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.--------------------------------------------------------------------------Quran Only sectionQu'ran 004:078 YUSUFALI - "Wherever ye are, death will find you out, even if ye are in towers built up strong and high!" If some good befalls them, they say, "This is from Allah"; but if evil, they say, "This is from thee" (O Prophet). "Say: "All things are from Allah." But what hath come to these people, that they fail to understand a single fact?Qu'ran 004:079 YUSUFALI - Whatever good, (O man!) happens to thee, is from Allah; but whatever evil happens to thee, is from thy (own) soul. and We have sent thee as a messenger to (instruct) mankind. And enough is Allah for a witness. Source: [url="http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/004.qmt.html#004.079]http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/004.qmt.html#004.079[/url]A contradiction by each other.--------------------------------------------------------------------------Lovest thou in Christ Yahshua our Lord and Saviour.
 

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A Testimony of a Former Muslim!Bassam's Testimony​
(Bassam)
I live in the Middle East. I was born as a Muslim, and at the age of 18 I became a member of one of the Islamic groups, as I had a relative who was one of the leaders of this group. I thought I was doing everything I could for God as I knew him at this point.After a short time I started to get some training in using guns and making explosives. I wasn't very comfortable with what I was doing - hurting people for God's sake. I thought that either I or the group had misunderstood the teachings of God. I started to study the Qur'an and the Hadith all over again, (with the help of one of the leaders of the group, without telling him my real reasons for studying) to see what I had missed. After a couple of years I was astonished at what I found. I found that Islam is not the peaceful path to God, as I used to believe; on the contrary, it's so violent. If *I* have to establish God's will by any means possible, even by killing people, I said it can't be the way to God.I never considered myself leaving Islam for anything else, yet at this point I was sure that it wasn't leading me to God. I had a kind of breakdown for some time when I found that every thing I had believed in wasn't right; I started doing drugs, and not talking about God at all.Then I met a Christian who didn't know much of the Christian theology but who was full of love to others, whatever and whoever they are. One of his friends (who was a member of the same group that I had been involved in) said about him that he must be killed because he was Christian and didn't pay "Jiziah" (tax levied on Christians and Jews in an Islamic state, according to the Qur'an), yet this didn't stop him loving this man or dealing with him professionally. Initially I didn't know he was Christian, and when I found out I was surprised; everything I had learnt all my life about Christians from my reading of Islamic writings and Muhammad's opinion about them put them down very much. I asked this friend if I could have a copy of the Bible.After starting to read the Bible I found a very big difference between what is actually written in the Bible and what I had heard people (Muslims and even nominal Christians) say about it.I was really struck by one thing in the Bible, namely the teaching that no one is righteous but Jesus; even those who were called God's people like David, Jacob and Abraham, the twelve apostles - everyone has done something wrong. The Bible is full of the sins and wrongdoing of all people, except Jesus. He himself said to his enemies "Which of you convicts me of sin?" (John 8:46a), and no-one responded. Even Judas Iscariot, who delivered him up to the authorities to be killed, said "I have sinned in betraying innocent blood." (Matthew 27:4) In addition, Pontius Pilate, the Roman governor who eventually did sentence him to death, said "Why, what evil has he done? I have found in him no crime deserving death." And then a centurion who witnessed Jesus's death said, "Certainly this man was innocent!" He struck me as the highest example of a human being, one who really deserved to be followed. It took me some time till I finished the whole Bible. After about one year of hard struggle with myself, I decided that I wanted to follow God as He shows himself in Christ, not as anyone else says He is.I prayed to Him and He was here; for the first time in my life I felt that God was here, and to say it was a very strange feeling for me would be an understatement. I was so happy, so sad. Happy to know he is here and sad for what I had missed. It felt very peaceful and I wanted this feeling to last for good. I still remember this very first time I prayed; I ran out of the room because for the first time in my life I felt the Presence of God. I have been following Him since then. He changed all my life. I went off drugs; I became a whole new person to every one that I know, but as I said before I live in the Middle East where every one thinks that he IS RIGHT and every one else is wrong, so I had some trouble with my family and they kicked me out of the house. As Jesus says "Brother will deliver up brother to death, and the father his child, and children will rise against parents and have them put to death" (Matthew 10:21) and that is what happed with me.My father delivered me to the Security Forces and they arrested me and put me in prison for converting out of Islam. I had a very bad time there, as they tortured me to force me to return to Islam. They used electric shocks, beatings, and hanging me from my wrists all night. After few week of this I was put in solitary confinement for almost a year. But I couldn't deny the one that gave me life. Now I am out of jail and I have left my home country as I am still wanted there for apostasy from Islam. I am still walking with Jesus, and I love Him because He loved me first and put Himself on the cross for me. I knew from the very beginning that I was going to have some trouble; didn't He say about Paul "for I will show him how much he must suffer for the sake of my name." (Acts 9:16)Now I am free from everything. I have a lovely wife whom I met after getting out of prison, and who is supporting me in everything I do for God, but the most important thing for me is I have my eternal assurance that I am going to be with Him for ever, whatever might happen. And as a result I decided to spend my life telling people about his great love to us. As he ordered me "Do not be afraid, but speak and do not be silent; for I am with you, and no man shall attack you to harm you; for I have many people in this city." (Acts 18:9, 10)
Source: http://www.answering-islam.org/Testimonies/bassam.html
 

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The old King James Version is my favourite because it's fearless,whereas some newer translations are wimpy and politically-correct.For example the KJV calls heathens 'heathens', whereas some of the others call them 'nations'.Likewise, some clergymen and women are replacing the first line of the Lord's Prayer at services by saying - "Our Father and Mother in heaven, hallowed be your name..."
I agree! the new translations are geared for what seems an uneducated section of our society. It's language is weak and it's insistence is trivialized . There is a real sense of urgency in the KJV and NKJ and RSV etc..As teachers of the Word, expositors of the Word, and proponents of the Word, we need to keep the urgency alive. In the above example, the word 'heathens' means more and inflects more than just a nation that is NOT Israel... For our neophytes to Christianity and indeed life eternal... Go ahead and read a "Wold Translation" ; but for God's sake, and for yours, go back and read a NKJ or another 'early' translation that gives back the essence of the Word.
 

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Testimony of Abdul Saleeb!
(Abdul Saleeb)
My name is "Abdul Saleeb". I was born and raised in a Muslim country in the Middle East. Even though I lived in a very conservative Muslim society I grew up in a somewhat of a liberal Muslim family. Furthermore, my Muslim upbringing was unique due to my mother's serious involvement in Islamic sufism. So I can honestly confess, that I have had first hand experience of every aspect of contemporary Islamic movements. I personally did not consider myself very religious. At one point I even turned to Marxist ideologies thinking that they could provide real solutions to my country's social ills. However, throughout all this time I never doubted the fundamentals of my religious faith. I thought of Islam as a faith with such high ideals that I did not consider myself worthy of the name Muslim but I wholeheartedly believed that Islam was God's last and most perfect religion for all mankind, based on God's final revelation, the Qur'an, and the prophet Muhammad, God's seal of prophethood. My view of other religions (especially Judaism and Christianity) was that although they were fundamentally the same since they had all been revealed by one God, they were all inferior to Islam because all of them had to various degrees corrupted the original message of their founding prophets, something that we as Muslims have not done.My religious views were radically challenged when I left my country because of its civil turmoil and went to Europe for the continuation of my studies. By the providence of God and because of various circumstances, I ended up enrolling in an International Christian School. My first "theological" question to one of my Christian teachers, was extremely childish but looking back at it now , the response of my teacher revolutionized my worldview. I asked my question after sitting in my first class about some of the teachings of the Bible. My question was, "How come Christians can drink wine but Muslims cannot? How come your word of God says one thing and our word of God says something different?" My teacher, not knowing much about Islam at all, gently asked, "How do you know the Qur'an is the word of God?" I was taken aback by that response. I had lived in a world in which everyone simply presupposed that the Qur'an was dictated word for word by God to the Prophet Muhammad and no one ever questioned that assumption. That brief encounter forced me to start on a journey, engage my Christian friends in hours of cordial discussion and debate about the truthfulness of the Christian faith.Like almost any other Muslim, my original reaction to the claims of Christians about Jesus Christ was that of utter shock. These claims not only seemed like plain blasphemy but also quite nonsensical. How could any rational being believe such things about an honored prophet of God? Despite my fundamental theological differences with my friends, there was something about their life and faith that impressed me a great deal. There was a sincerity in their relationship with God and other people that I had not encountered among my own Muslim people. So I would often tell them that I did not want to deny their faith but I just wanted to find a compromise so that I could hold to the truth of Islam and they could continue to hold to their faith.However, I was in no doubt that their belief about Jesus was based on statements that the prophet Jesus had never actually claimed for himself. My difficulty in understanding Christian belief was very much along the lines that have historically separated Islam from Christianity.First, there was the issue of the deity of Christ. How can anybody believe that a human being was actually God incarnate? How can that be logically possible?The second obstacle was the doctrine of the Trinity, an issue closely related to the first problem. Again, this Christian belief seemed to me was a logical absurdity and grossly compromised the belief in the Oneness of God.Finally, I did not grant in any way that the Bible, especially the New Testament documents, were reliable when it came to reporting the words of Christ. Anything in the Bible that disagreed with the Qur'an was automatically rejected as being a corrupt teaching in the Bible.My spiritual journey went on for months. Oftentimes I did find comfort in the Qur'an, but I was encountering more questions in that book than answers. For example, the violent tone of many of the Qur'anic passages (especially against the unbelievers but also against the Jewish and Christian people) began to bother me, when compared with the emphasis on love in the New Testament. One particular passage that troubled me, especially in light of my good friendship with many Christians, was in Sura 5:51. "O ye who believe! Take not Jews and Christians for your friends and protectors; they are but friends and protectors to eachother. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily God guideth not a people unjust." However, the most troubling section of the Qur'an had to do with the character of the prophet Muhammad himself. According to Sura 33:37, God sanctions Muhammad's desire to marry the divorced wife of his own stepson, "in order that (in future) there may be no difficulty to the believers in (the matter of) marriage with the wives of their adopted sons, when the latter have dissolved with the necessary (formality) (their marriage) with them. And God's command must be fulfilled."I vividly remember the first time that I came across that verse in my study of the Qur'an. I began to sob with great sorrow and shame. All my life I had been told that Muhammad was the most perfect and ideal moral example for mankind and yet the Qur'an had a good number of examples of how the "revelations" could be so selfserving to the prophet himself!I immediately wrote a letter to my mother back home with some of these troubling questions that I was encountering in the Qur'an. The response that I received to my letter from one of the most prominent religious leaders in my country was that I should just continue my secular studies and not focus too much on religion. On the other hand, as my understanding of the Bible was increasing many of my questions were beginning to get answered. Even as a Muslim I came to believe that the crucifixion of Christ was an undisputable historical fact that no honest person that deals with evidences of history could deny.The character of Christ himself, as manifested for example in his beautiful Sermon on the Mount, was gradually making a great impression on me. But for me, the most impressive factor about Christ, were the multitudes of Old Testament prophecies about the coming of the Messiah. Some of these prophecies were so specific and they were fulfilled in the life of Jesus to such a detail that it amazed me to see how God had taken hundreds of years of Jewish history to prepare the coming of the Messiah; prophecies ranging from Messiah's ancestery, his manner and place of birth, his life and ministry to the circumstances surrounding his death by crucifixion. I was very attracted to Christ and yet I could not deny my own tradition and past. Becoming Christian seemed a definite betrayal of my own family and Islamic heritage. The tension in my life was so strong that I felt torn asunder between these two faiths.But I still could not bring myself to accept that Jesus was anything more than a human being. Since he had never explicitly said, "I am God and you must worship me," the Christian claim about Jesus was based on speculation and historically unreliable Gospels. Surely the incredible statements attributed to Jesus were invented by later church and put in the mouth of Jesus.In the midst of all this anxiety of thought, I woke up one morning and was suddenly struck by the meaning of a verse written by the prophet Isaiah in his ninth chapter. I had read this verse several weeks prior to that morning, but I had never understood its meaning. In Isa.7:14, we read, "Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel." Isaiah then goes on to write in chapter 9, "[...] in the future he (God) will honor Galilee of the Gentiles, by the way of the sea, along the Jordan the people walking in darkness have seen a great light, on those living in the land of the shadow of death a light has dawned [...] For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and peace there will be no end. He will reign on David's throne [...] from that time on and forever." I could not believe it! The fact that the Messiah was not going to be just a prophet but Mighty God himself, was therefore a truth that had been prophesied sevenhundred years before Christ in the Old Testament, and not something that had been made up by Christians many years or centuries after Christ! It was God's own promise that he will come in flesh (Immanuel = God with us) and will establish a kingdom that will last forever.I came to trust in Christ, the next day on January 20, 1985. I cried uncontrollably as I was praying and turning to Christ in faith. I did not know why, and though I had never felt much burden of guilt, I was feeling a great sense of peace and relief from the burden of my sins. A greater satisfaction was the sense of rest in finally finding the truth about God and His revelation of love to mankind in Jesus Christ. A book that helped me (and several other Muslim friends of mine who became Christians around the same time that I did) tremendously in answering many of my questions about the deity of Christ and the reliability of the New Testament documents was Josh McDowell's "Evidence That Demands A Verdict". I highly recommend it.Soon after my own conversion, I decided to dedicate my entire life to promoting the Good News of Christ among Muslims and especially the people of my own country. I later came to the United States and received my undergraduate and graduate degrees in Biblical and Theological Studies. I also co-authored a book with Norman Geisler, a prominent Christian philosopher, with the title "Answering Islam: The Crescent in the Light of the Cross".Abdul Saleeb, Ramadan of 1996
Source: http://www.answering-islam.org/Testimonies/abdul.htmlJagLovest ye in Christ Yahshua our Lord and Saviour.