Paul vs James?

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justaname

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This has been a difficult topic for me personally in as much as communicating the truth in the subject. I think the author here does a good job.

Enjoy and comment please!

"May 10
Numbers 19; Psalms 56–57; Isaiah 8:1–9:7; James 2

“for we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from observing the law” (Rom. 3:28). So writes the apostle Paul. “You foolish man,” argues James, “do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless? … You see that a person is justified by what he does and not by faith alone.… As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead” (James 2:14–26, especially vv. 20, 24, 26).
The formal contradiction between Paul and James is so striking that it has called forth relentless discussion across the centuries. Many contemporary critics, skeptical that God has really spoken in the Bible, think the passages are irreconcilable, and that together they demonstrate that from the beginning there were disparate branches of Christianity with distinctive and even mutually contradictory interpretations. Others think that the real secret to the relationship between Paul and James lies in very different meanings of “works” or “deeds.”
Several explanatory syntheses have been offered, but they cannot be evaluated here. It may be helpful, however, to reflect on the following points:
(a) Paul and James are facing very different problems. Paul is facing those who want to say that works, whether good or bad, make a fundamental contribution to whether one becomes a Christian (see one of his responses in Rom. 9:10–12). His answer is that they do not and cannot: God’s grace is received by faith alone. James is facing those who argue that saving faith is found even in those who simply affirm (for instance) that there is one God (James 2:19). His answer is that such faith is inadequate; genuine faith produces good works, or else it is dead faith.
(b) Issues of sequence are thus at stake. Paul argues that works cannot help a person become a Christian; James argues that good works must be displayed by the Christian. But on this point, Paul would not disagree; see, for instance, 1 Corinthians 6:9–11.
(c) Paul’s dominant usage of “justification” has to do with that act of God by which, on the basis of Christ’s work on the cross, he declares guilty sinners acquitted and just in his eyes. Such justification is entirely gracious (Rom. 3:20; Gal. 2:16). James focuses rather more on “justification” before peers (James 2:18) and even on final judgment. A genuinely Christian life, says James, must be a transformed life. Again, Paul does not disagree: “For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive what is due him for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad” (2 Cor. 5:10). The allotment of rewards may be of grace, for even our good deeds finally spring from God’s grace—but the deeds are not therefore less necessary." - D.A. Carson, For the Love of God
 

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This is simple, the apostle Paul Romans 3:28 "Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law". he is letting us know that there is no deed or work that can get you saved. this is before salvation.

The apostle James on the other hand is letting us know that after we're saves we should bring forth fruit, (works).

so none of our good deeds (works) can make us right in God sight. only until after we're save in Christ Jesus, are we to have works.
 

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The simple answer to this issue is this.
If good works could bring us to salvation, Jesus died for no reason at all.
But after we receive salvation by saving grace, we should find ourselves being drawn to doing "good works" that, indicate the love of Christ in us. Not believing that the "works" are leading us further in salvation; simply indication that agape love is operating in us and the fruit of the Spirit is growing in our spirit.
 

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101G said:
This is simple, the apostle Paul Romans 3:28 "Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law". he is letting us know that there is no deed or work that can get you saved. this is before salvation.

The apostle James on the other hand is letting us know that after we're saves we should bring forth fruit, (works).

so none of our good deeds (works) can make us right in God sight. only until after we're save in Christ Jesus, are we to have works.
I would add only one caveat to this.
Works aren't an option after we come to Christ - they are essential.
 

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williemac said:
Essential for what?
For our faith - for our salvation.
Read Matt. 25:31-46, which outlines this in great detail in the Parable of the Sheep and the Goats.
As James 1:22 tells us, we are to be DOERS of the Word and not simply HEARERS.
 

Raeneske

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williemac said:
Essential for what?
Works are essential to prove you've been saved, is what I would say. If you claim you're a Christian, but your fruits testify otherwise, you know where you stand. Rather, mankind knows where you stand. Fruits are the only way we can know what could be going on inside a heart, since we cannot have the ability to read the heart. Simply, "By their fruits" we shall know them. :)
 

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James is not contradicting Paul, but complementing him.

Paul is fearful of dead works without a living faith. James is fearful of a dead faith that produces no good works.

If no works are produced, faith is a mere dead thing, good for nothing. One who produces no good works proves he has not received the Lord Jesus and obeyed Him, and should not be declared righteous by man.