Is there opportunity to repent after death?

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jiggyfly

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Polt said:
One vague verse shouldn't be used to establish a doctrine that is otherwise foreign to the whole Bible. This passage is not about dead people.
I agree, one verse shouldn't but how many verses are there to support there is no chance of repentance after death?

I gave 4 verses and have more to support my belief.

Can you post scriptures to support your belief on this topic?
 

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And I say unto you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do. But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him. Luke 12:4-5

If all people are saved, what sense does this verse make? Why would anyone fear GOD if they are going to be saved anyways, regardless of what they believe or do?
 

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ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
And I say unto you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do. But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him. Luke 12:4-5

If all people are saved, what sense does this verse make? Why would anyone fear GOD if they are going to be saved anyways, regardless of what they believe or do?
Many are reconciled on the other side of punishment/correction but what does this have to do with the topic?

Still waiting for your scripture your preferred translation dealing with the topic.
 

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If all can stand before Jesus and at that time seek forgiveness and be saved, then why did Jesus warn about it being better to cut off your hand or pluck out your eye than risking sin and going to hell?

If you die in your sin, your opportunity to repent has passed.

If it were otherwise than when Jesus would tell the goats, "depart from me into everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels.....unless you're really really sorry now."
 

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Foreigner said:
If all can stand before Jesus and at that time seek forgiveness and be saved, then why did Jesus warn about it being better to cut off your hand or pluck out your eye than risking sin and going to hell?

If you die in your sin, your opportunity to repent has passed.

If it were otherwise than when Jesus would tell the goats, "depart from me into everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels.....unless you're really really sorry now."
Can you post scriptures you feel support your belief? It helps in the discussion.
 

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jiggyfly said:
Many are reconciled on the other side of punishment/correction but what does this have to do with the topic?

Still waiting for your scripture your preferred translation dealing with the topic.
If the opportunity exists to repent in death, what's the point of fearing GOD in this life? The fact that Jesus sternly warned his disciples to fear GOD while living can only mean that there is no opportunity to repent after death. There is no salvation without repentance.

Don't get impatient with me or act like it's my responsibility to provide everything that people ask for, or you will never get it. I'm not a scripture gumball machine that you can put a quarter into anytime you want. Free interlinear bibles are available, both online and downloadable software. If you seriously want to discuss the issue why don't you do the legwork, and then we'll discuss it?
 

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jiggyfly said:
Can you post scriptures you feel support your belief? It helps in the discussion.

“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels" - Matt. 25:41

-- Now please provide scripture that shows He said, "unless you're really really sorry now."
 

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ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
If the opportunity exists to repent in death, what's the point of fearing GOD in this life? The fact that Jesus sternly warned his disciples to fear GOD while living can only mean that there is no opportunity to repent after death. There is no salvation without repentance.

Don't get impatient with me or act like it's my responsibility to provide everything that people ask for, or you will never get it. I'm not a scripture gumball machine that you can put a quarter into anytime you want. Free interlinear bibles are available, both online and downloadable software. If you seriously want to discuss the issue why don't you do the legwork, and then we'll discuss it?
I have studied this but I want to discuss your rebuttal you commented that you had a huge amount of scriptures to support your belief, so I am waiting. So please post scriptures when you comment.
 

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jiggyfly said:
I have studied this but I want to discuss your rebuttal you commented that you had a huge amount of scriptures to support your belief, so I am waiting. So please post scriptures when you comment.
No, I said there are a huge number of scriptures. And I also said I wasn't interested in providing them (i.e., digging them up). When you suggested a new thread on the subject, I said I would participate. And I am. I provided one scripture that you haven't really addressed. Why don't we start with that one?
 

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Foreigner said:
“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels" - Matt. 25:41

-- Now please provide scripture that shows He said, "unless you're really really sorry now."
When using the accurate definition of aionios I still see the possibility of repentance after the flesh has expired.

Then shall he say also to those on the left hand, Go ye from me, the cursed, to the fire, the age-during, that hath been prepared for the Devil and his messengers; Matt.25:41 YLT.

ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
No, I said there are a huge number of scriptures. And I also said I wasn't interested in providing them (i.e., digging them up). When you suggested a new thread on the subject, I said I would participate. And I am. I provided one scripture that you haven't really addressed. Why don't we start with that one?
I'm game, which one do you want to discuss?
 

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jiggyfly said:
I'm game, which one do you want to discuss?
http://www.christianityboard.com/topic/18253-is-there-opportunity-to-repent-after-death/#entry195604


jiggyfly said:
When using the accurate definition of aionios I still see the possibility of repentance after the flesh has expired.
Actually aionios doesn't mean age; it derives from the word that means age. Aionios means perpetual, unending. It is used in that sense in Hebrews 9:12, 2 Corinthians 4:18, 1 Peter 5:10, Philemon 1:15, Romans 16:26, and about 60 other places. Check those out and see if aionios means age-enduring.


Vine's complete expository dictionary of Old and New Testament words
“The predominant meaning of aionios, that in which it is used everywhere in the NT, save the [3] places noted above*, may be seen in 2 Cor. 4:18, where it is set in contrast with proskairos, lit., ‘for a season,’ and in Philem. 15, where only in the NT it is used without a noun. Moreover it is used of persons and things which are in their nature endless, as, e.g., of God, Rom. 16:26; of His power, 1 Tim. 6:16, and of His glory, 1 Pet. 5:10; of the Holy Spirit, Heb. 9:14; of the redemption effected by Christ, Heb. 9:12, and of the consequent salvation of men, 5:9, as well as of His future rule, 2 Pet. 1:11, which is elsewhere declared to be without end, Luke 1:33; of the life received by those who believe in Christ, John 3:16, concerning whom He said, ‘they shall never perish,’ 10:28, and of the resurrection body, 2 Cor. 5:1, elsewhere said to be ‘immortal,’ 1 Cor. 15:53, in which that life will be finally realized, Matt. 25:46; Titus 1:2.

* the 3 places are Rom. 16:25; 2 Tim. 1:9; Titus 1:2 in which it basically means before time.
 

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ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
http://www.christianityboard.com/topic/18253-is-there-opportunity-to-repent-after-death/#entry195604



Actually aionios doesn't mean age; it derives from the word that means age. Aionios means perpetual, unending. It is used in that sense in Hebrews 9:12, 2 Corinthians 4:18, 1 Peter 5:10, Philemon 1:15, Romans 16:26, and about 60 other places. Check those out and see if aionios means age-enduring.
My answer was in the very next post.
Many are reconciled after correction/punishment.


Concerning the definition of aionios, can a word have a totally different meaning than the word it is derived from? Many understandably confuse aionios with aidios which has been translated as eternal. Aionios is derived from aion and aion means age then aionios must mean age+ the suffix ios which means pertaining to, so aionios would have to mean pertaining to (an) age.
 

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jiggyfly said:
My answer was in the very next post.
Many are reconciled after correction/punishment.
And my answer to your answer was:

If the opportunity exists to repent in death, what's the point of fearing GOD in this life? The fact that Jesus sternly warned his disciples to fear GOD while living can only mean that there is no opportunity to repent after death. There is no salvation without repentance.
 

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ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
And my answer to your answer was:

If the opportunity exists to repent in death, what's the point of fearing GOD in this life? The fact that Jesus sternly warned his disciples to fear GOD while living can only mean that there is no opportunity to repent after death. There is no salvation without repentance.
I think we differ on what salvation is or more directly what is one saved from. You seem to believe we are saved from unending torment and I believe it is limited punishment for the means of correction.

At any rate I don't agree with your logic here what about small children and infants do they repent?
 

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jiggyfly said:
I believe it is limited punishment for the means of correction.
So, you think God is going to torture the sin out of unsaved people?
 

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jiggyfly said:
No, if I did I would have said that. Do you believe God is going to endlessly torment them?
I think you're missing the point. GOD is not going to torment anyone. He will allow them, though, to have what they want most, which an existence without him. That will be their torment, when they realize what they have thrown away. It is self-inflicted, not GOD-inflicted.
 

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seems difficult to imagine anyone wanting to reject God after they have seen Him - perhaps His Goodness is too overwhelming for the unredeemed.
 

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You tried to sell the idea that they would be more releaved and less in torment to be in hell than being in the presence of God as a sinner.
 

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ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
I think you're missing the point. GOD is not going to torment anyone. He will allow them, though, to have what they want most, which an existence without him. That will be their torment, when they realize what they have thrown away. It is self-inflicted, not GOD-inflicted.
So you believe that there won't be any painful torment or punishment, any scripture?

Sorry but I had to come back to this, You believe that those who are rebellious towards God are going to self-inflict torment. If they are already rebellious why would they? What if they decide that they want to continue pleasing themselves?