Who was Cain/Sargon

Samuel Pickens said:

Wine is a mock and strong drink raging. You cannot be a deacon or bishop or preacher doing those things.

But, one must need a Bible and be saved. The Holy Ghost will not deny Christ or attribute the Bible to evil.

What you said was that the flood was 23' deep at that area and God was foolish to have Noah build an ark when all you would have to do is walk over to the next hill. You do not believe that Noah sent out birds or any of the Bible. It doesn't work that you can selectively believe what you want and say the rest is wrong. You then say only Noah was punished as the others such as Cain was in an area of no flood waters and just survived as did so many of his relatives. You don't believe such drool nor can you expect anyone else to say the Bible was wrong.

You have the testimony of a drunkard and one that is the enemy of God. You are one of the tares trying to discredit the Work of God and lead people astray through your foolish ramblings.

BTW a wine sack is of old a goat bladder filled with wine and not an old Christian figure of speech. Today it is a synethic sack used to carry wine and people still use it to carry wine in.

Again, I warn you; you are in jeopardy of blasphemey - take this seriously - you are in danger.

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Since you insist on quoting me on things I never said, I am finished with you now; now where is the scotch........

Irish

Samuel Pickens said:

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wine sack is of old a goat bladder filled with wine ...

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S P.
Read: Mat 9:17, Mar 2:22, Luk 5:37- 38. You will not understand this but others will.

jerryjohnson said:

S P.
Read: Mat 9:17, Mar 2:22, Luk 5:37- 38. You will not understand this but others will.

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I've only been around the world in my travels. But rest asured, I know the difference between bottles and sack or bladder. You still see the bladder as a means of conveyance by some in parts of this planet. But of course, you knew that.

Jerry, Why are you trying to belittle me? You can make your slur and I can't stop you si vous plait. I worked neclear research and chemical and refineries in engineering. I'm sure you are in Huntsville, AL. You speak like a silly little child on a playground.

I accepted Christ on Jan 5, 1972 @~8:30PM. We broke the ice on the North Fork of the Holston River and I was baptized soon after. Christ is my closest friend.

Samuel Pickens said:

I've only been around the world in my travels. But rest asured, I know the difference between bottles and sack or bladder. You still see the bladder as a means of conveyance by some in parts of this planet. But of course, you knew that.

Jerry, Why are you trying to belittle me? You can make your slur and I can't stop you si vous plait. I worked neclear research and chemical and refineries in engineering. I'm sure you are in Huntsville, AL. You speak like a silly little child on a playground.

I accepted Christ on Jan 5, 1972 @~8:30PM. We broke the ice on the North Fork of the Holston River and I was baptized soon after. Christ is my closest friend.

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Would our Saviour, who lives in us, call a brother an unclean spirit, which is....a "tare or enemy of God?" This is not a small thing!

Mark 3:29-30 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation. Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit.

Samuel Pickens said:

Does it not list them as to who they were and how many? Would you also subscribe to the water only being 15 cubit deep? And please do not make personal attacks like Irish and call me a wine bibber or such.

At 23' deep there would have been no reason to build an ark. Beside, he was saying Cain was not on the ark but living where there was no flood.

At my age, I've craddled oats/wheat and know what it is to crawl through fields and remove tares by hand.

There is a Holy Bible just as God said that He would perserve His Word and has down to this day. God does't need me or you to tell someone what it says. It says what it means and means what it says and yes; God got it right and knew what He was saying and didn't or doesn't need help.

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Samuel.....

There is the letter of the Word and there is the spirit of the Word. God instructs His elect with understanding and they in turn are to share that with others. Otherwise....why would the Holy Spirit reveal understanding if all that was needed was the ability to read the letter?

2 Corinthians 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

I know Jesus Christ as my Savior; his Holy Spirit lives in me. The guy belittling me is someone I do not know nor do I believe he is my brother in Christ. He is mocking the Bible and saying the liquior he's drinking is OK and he's going to go get some more.

He is saying the Bible is incorrect; that its account of the flood is wrong. Yes, I think he is wrong and a Christian will not belittle other Christians or mock and belittle the Bible. The law killeth; yeah, but the Lord Jesus Christ gives life.

Samuel Pickens said:

I know Jesus Christ as my Savior; his Holy Spirit lives in me. The guy belittling me is someone I do not know nor do I believe he is my brother in Christ. He is mocking the Bible and saying the liquior he's drinking is OK and he's going to go get some more.

He is saying the Bible is incorrect; that its account of the flood is wrong. Yes, I think he is wrong and a Christian will not belittle other Christians or mock and belittle the Bible. The law killeth; yeah, but the Lord Jesus Christ gives life.

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Samuel, I don't read that anyone is saying the Bible isn't correct. God feeds us His truths as we are ready to receive them.

Interestingly, yesterday I saw a program about the Spinx. Now that they have excavated around it's base they see signs of water erosion. That hasn't happened in the past 6,000 years. They place it at 10,500 BC....I place it at 14,000 years ago when the Katalbo happened...the great flood and that wasn't Noah's flood. Was the great pyramid and spinx the altar to the Lord?

whirlwind said:

Samuel, I don't read that anyone is saying the Bible isn't correct. God feeds us His truths as we are ready to receive them.

Interestingly, yesterday I saw a program about the Spinx. Now that they have excavated around it's base they see signs of water erosion. That hasn't happened in the past 6,000 years. They place it at 10,500 BC....I place it at 14,000 years ago when the Katalbo happened...the great flood and that wasn't Noah's flood. Was the great pyramid and spinx the altar to the Lord?

Isaiah 19:19-21 In that day shall there be an altar to the LORD in the midst of the land of Egypt, and a pillar at the border thereof to the LORD. And it shall be for a sign and for a witness unto the LORD of hosts in the land of Egypt: for they shall cry unto the LORD because of the oppressors, and he shall send them a Saviour, and a great one, and He shall deliver them. And the LORD shall be known to Egypt, and the Egyptians shall know the LORD in that day, and shall do sacrifice and oblation; yea, they shall vow a vow unto the LORD, and perform it.​

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Whirlwind,
You are wise beyond your years, ( assuming you are very young...) . The gematria of these two verses is 5449, which is also the height of the Great Pyramid in Pyramid inches. God is kind of putting his fingerprint on this. Who else could have designed something with this much prophecy locked inside.


Irish

Irish said:

Whirlwind,
You are wise beyond your years, ( assuming you are very young...) . The gematria of these two verses is 5449, which is also the height of the Great Pyramid in Pyramid inches. God is kind of putting his fingerprint on this. Who else could have designed something with this much prophecy locked inside.


Irish

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You would be wrong to assume....some days I feel like I placed the stones on the pyramid. :lol: I am sixty-three...just about to turn sixty-four.

I didn't realize that about the gematria. There is so much to learn and so little time. One interesting thing I read about the pyramid is that 144,000 white casing stones covered it at one time. If the pyramid is indeed the altar written of in Isaiah it is symbolically covered by the 144,000 elect.

I LOVE His Word!

So, you are saying that the flood was only local to an area and only 15 cubits from that area's floor? And that Cain was still alive and he and his relatives as well as others did not experience the flood and they just played on as if it didn't happen. That's what Irish said and I assume he wasn't drunk but certainly could have been. Second though; must have been to make such a statement.

Only Noad built an ark that took a few years to build to house animals that could have just went over to the next hill. this is the most absurd thing I've ever heard.

That is saying the Bible is wrong and God was silly. Yes, that puts anyone in jeopardy of blasphemey. Or would you try to spriritialize blasphemey out of the picture as well. Do you know what blasphemey is?

Would 15 cubits lift the ark off the ground? What is the draft? Engineering can calculate it.

Samuel Pickens said:

So, you are saying that the flood was only local to an area and only 15 cubits from that area's floor? And that Cain was still alive and he and his relatives as well as others did not experience the flood and they just played on as if it didn't happen. That's what Irish said and I assume he wasn't drunk but certainly could have been. Second though; must have been to make such a statement.

Only Noad built an ark that took a few years to build to house animals that could have just went over to the next hill. this is the most absurd thing I've ever heard.

That is saying the Bible is wrong and God was silly. Yes, that puts anyone in jeopardy of blasphemey. Or would you try to spriritialize blasphemey out of the picture as well. Do you know what blasphemey is?

Would 15 cubits lift the ark off the ground? What is the draft? Engineering can calculate it.

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SP, just put it on the shelf for now, you will not understand it until God opens your eyes. I'm not going to try explaining it to you since I value the pearls.

Samuel Pickens said:

So, you are saying that the flood was only local to an area and only 15 cubits from that area's floor? And that Cain was still alive and he and his relatives as well as others did not experience the flood and they just played on as if it didn't happen. That's what Irish said and I assume he wasn't drunk but certainly could have been. Second though; must have been to make such a statement.

Only Noad built an ark that took a few years to build to house animals that could have just went over to the next hill. this is the most absurd thing I've ever heard.

That is saying the Bible is wrong and God was silly. Yes, that puts anyone in jeopardy of blasphemey. Or would you try to spriritialize blasphemey out of the picture as well. Do you know what blasphemey is?

Would 15 cubits lift the ark off the ground? What is the draft? Engineering can calculate it.

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If the question is directed to me....I don't know Samuel. :huh: Was it world-wide or in that area? I think it was everywhere as it is stated the waters prevailed "and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered." [7:19] To me, the important realization is that there was a greater flood before that time and that all the various races, two by two, were with Noah on the ark.

It is also interesting to me that....


One hundred and fifty days....five months....the same amount of time of Satan's great tribulation!

As far as Cain being alive....how long did he live? It is his offspring that were aboard the ark...not Cain, unless God allowed him more years than others. And there is no doubt of that as Kenites are offspring of Cain and, as written, they were around long after the flood.

You really must stop saying anyone is drunk or saying the Bible isn't correct or God is silly or someone is committing blasphemy. Expressing our understanding of what is written is what we are to do.....we discuss, we learn, we teach.

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He hears us as we speak to one another. Are we His jewels? Do we sparkle as we reflect His Light?

jerryjohnson said:

SP, just put it on the shelf for now, you will not understand it until God opens your eyes. I'm not going to try explaining it to you since I value the pearls.

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I accepted Christ as my Savior 05 DEC 1972 @8:30PM. He did save me so my eyes are open and I am not a swine. You resort to belittling and name calling.

The Bible is Holy and as such by God it is God's Spirit. When God speaks His Spirit flows from His mouth. The Bible is God's Words. The Bible is part of the triune as being it's Spirit and the Holy Ghost.

God is Spirit and as such we must worship Him in Spirit and truth. Blasphemey is attributing the works of the Holy Ghost to the devil. Blasphemeing me and calling me swine will be forgiven. Blasphemeing against the Holy Ghost will not be forgiven. Do not put yourself in jeopardy!

You ought to read a read Bible given by God. The KJV Bible is such and as such is a Holy Bible. Corrupted text are coming off the presses as fast as they can turn themout.

May God reward you according to your words and deeds. Amen

To get back to topic I offer this.

I also believe the flood of Noah's day covered the whole earth, but, I also believe based on the Genesis evidence Whirlwind showed about God telling Noah to bring aboard the ark two of ALL flesh, two of everything with the breath of life.

Eventually, the Bible student will discover only TWO Biblical possibilities for the various races of man existing on earth AFTER the flood of Noah's day. 1) Either the flood was a local flood, and the Hebrew word eretz (which can mean ground or land) translated to earth by the KJV translators is meant to be interpreted as 'land', or 2) Noah indeed brought two of all flesh on board the ark, which included two of all races, and hence the existence of the races with us today.

There is a THIRD possibility (for some), but not one which I'd assign to The Holy Bible, and that is the theory of evolution of races.


Some Bible scholars are really listening to secular history when they interpret The Bible saying all the races after the flood came out of Noah and his family. There's no archaeological evidence to support that any race could be born from parents of the same race before the flood. Nor is there any evidence that can happen today (except with the phenomenon of Fraternal twins, which is two separate eggs from separate fathers anyway). Two oriental parents will produce oriental offspring, two of the black race will produce black offspring, and so on. Sargon (a Semite) going to ancient Sumer and finding those of another race is part of the archaeological (or anthropological) evidence Assyriologists found.

Yet how many fellow-brethren today believe that all races descended from Noah and his family, simply because of how they've been taught to interpret the Genesis 9:19 verse? Men's traditions have even attributed the start of the Black race with Ham's sin against Noah in Genesis 9, when in reality, Ham was guilty of the sin of incest with his own mother, for that's what Leviticus 18 & 20 reveals is meant by the phrase, to uncover thy father's nakedness. The name Ham means 'hot', and that gives evidence that Ham is the father of the Black race? That's silly, no evidence for it in God's Word, nor in archaeological history. But that's the kind of thinking that has come from men's traditions bent on understanding that all races after the flood had to come only from Noah and his family per Gen.9:19.

Another idea from men's traditions of the world that has clouded what really happenned, is with thinking that geographic areas where certain peoples have dwelt in past history helps define their racial origins. When we hear the name Ehtiopia today, most think that area is about the mostly Black population that dwells there now, and has for past centuries. But in ancient history, Ethiopia was first predominantly of Hebrew Semitic (Eber) stock. And there's archaeological evidence of early Hebrews that ruled lower Egypt for around five hundred years, called the Hyksos, even though secular anthropologists don't care much to discuss that.

There is greater probability that the sons of Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japheth, all mixed with the races at some point after the flood, all except for one seed of Shem that was chosen to carry forth God's Plan of Salvation.

But many will still... hold to the idea that the races existing today somehow 'evolved' out of Noah and his family. Instead I believe God created all the races how He wanted them to appear, on His 6th day, along with the man Adam. Not evolution, but Biblical creation.

veteran said:

... And there's archaeological evidence of early Hebrews that ruled lower Egypt for around five hundred years, called the Hyksos, even though secular anthropologists don't care much to discuss that.

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Sure they arev the Shepherd Kings.

Hi Everyone! I'm new here, but I have to say, I am so happy to see this and other amazing topics discussed here!!

I've read Sargon quite a few years ago. It was a fascinating read and an eye opener! And, I even had Sargon bookmarked online, the whole book. But after my pc went down and had to do a clean install, I lost it. If I can find it again, I'll post it.

I'm in agreement with many here, though I'm not sure if the flood was worldwide or not, I do know all the races made it through the flood, just as many here said.

God's word is true, it is man's traditions which are false. Christ, himself was angry with the pharisees for the same reason. Their traditions made God's word to none effect. They replaced God's word for their own commentaries, their own understanding instead of letting God's word speak for itself:

Mar 7:10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:

Mar 7:11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.

Mar 7:12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;

Mar 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

Nothing new, same thing going on today. There is a famine for hearing (with understanding) the word of God. (Amos 8). God's word is true, the famine is true...and in order for it to be true, the majority of teachings taught in the churches cannot be right. If it were not so, there would not be a famine.

I know this was touched on already concerning Noah taking 2 of every flesh aboard the ark. But, I wanted to post the Hebrew word for "flesh" (forgive me if it was already posted):



Gen 6:19 And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female.

"Flesh" in the Hebrew is:


basar

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From H1319; flesh (from its freshness); by extension body, person; also (by euphemism) the pudenda of a man: - body, [fat, lean] flesh [-ed], kin, [man-] kind, + nakedness, self, skin.

I love our Father's Word!!