The Godhead

2 John S, greeting.
if you have information to add to the discussion to bring it to a close, please post it.
else, this is why it is call a discussion. one need to get expose to others views. Rome was not build overnight. neither will this trinity doctrine be destroyed in one day. but I'm working on it,......... on brick at a time.

2 jb, greeting

The ONLY question that's worth debating and espoused by Christ himself is... 13 Now when Jesus came into the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do people say that the Son of Man is?”

right there is the problem, " the Son of Man". the Son of Man is the diversified spirit of God in the flesh and blood body. the flesh and blood body, is the outward man, the son of God. which the Son of Man dwelt in while here on earth. the son of man is the "Christ", God in flesh and blood. understand the difference.

Throughout Church history the ongoing debate has always been centralized on Christ. Is he GOD or isn't he. Jesus answered this himself directly and indirectly through scripture.
The important thing is not to know some so-called "special name" but KNOW HIM. For this alone will ascertain whether you're one of the flock or not.

another cop-out excuse. that's the next big problem, as you say "special name"?. Oh no, only one name for God, Jesus. but you don't know him. because you made him a "second" PERSON in YOUR trinity. when in fact, he's the only PERSON IN THE GODHEAD. that's right you don't know him.

If we're to focus upon a name then let the name of the LORD JESUS CHRIST be on your lips and in your hearts

sly way out?, not happening here. you say know him. well listen to him, Matthew 15:8 "This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me". this is my point. do you really know him. NO.

Finally, Jesus said "before Abraham I AM". Therefore we recognize thee LORD, as GOD in the flesh, creator & sustainer of the heavens and the earth... !!! Ephesians 1:11

see jb you use the name, but do you really know him. he said no god, or God before him. you made him the second person of your trinity.

Much more can be said but this is enough. Remember this! 9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.

another cop-out, knowing the Lord Jesus is no foolish question. nor is I'm in contention with anyone, but only with ignorance, the lack of knowledge.
but let this ring in your ears, Matthew 15:8 "This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me".

to all,
what I'm calling for is this. is God ONE PERSON, or three, united or not. the Bible said, "say the same thing". well that is not so here. is Christ divided, NO. the apostle said Jesus is the ONLY GOD. so why can't we?. but jb brought up a good point, "the son of Man". I suggest the Trinitarians of this board study the Son of Man, and see who he really is". I'll be focusing on this fact, "Who is the son of Man".

getting late for me.

see you all tomorrow, Lord willing.

peace and all LOVE

I will not be posting to the topic "Trinity", I will limited my post to this topic only. Confusion. so I'll re-post here.


2 HiddenManna, greeting in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ
the sticking point of all of this is in our Lord second dispensation, where he is Saviour, and Redeemer. and in his present, and last dispensation, as Comforter, and Mediator. as Aspen pointed out, and I have been saying God is revealed in three dispensation. we all know that he is Creator and Maker of everything. but the contention lay in his last two dispensation. this is where I'll address my point.

but first HiddenManna, now that you don't support the person anymore, you said aspect. I understand aspect according to the dictionary. but to make sure that I understand you clearly. given me your definition and understanding of what you mean by aspect, concerning our Lord and saviour God. and then we can continue. and also state your premises that support your beliefs. thanking you in advance.
**********************************************
My premises is this.
#1. the term God is to me, only means the Spirit. which is Holy, hence Holy Spirit. who is creator and maker of everything, Genesis 1:1
#2. his same Holy Spirit in diverse spirit, (notice the small case "s" in spirit), is Redeemer, and Saviour in flesh and blood. John 1:1
#3. this same Holy Spirit, in diverse spirit, now in a Glorified body, Flesh and bone, NO BLOOD, is Comforter, and Mediator of the new blood covenant. Revelation 1:1
and from these three premises I base my doctrine on. and from these three premises I explain with all knowledge and understanding of the Godhead. which certify that there is ONLY ONE PERSON in it.

be blessed, and I'll be waiting for you response

2 HiddenManna,

this is what you said. Well knowing the legalist mindset of some, who seem to enjoy twisting the use of words and their definitions, I will not use the term "person'' Post #100, of the topic Godhead. Oh well,


the Revelation of the Son of Man
Matthew 16:13 "When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?".
this is the perfect question. and the apostle Peter answered correctly. Matthew 16:16 "And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God". Peter gave two designations. #1. the "Christ". and #2. the "Son". we know that the "Christ" is God. but the "Son". is it the Son of God, or the Son of Man. right off the bat, most Christian, when they hear the word God mention, especially about our Lord Jesus. immediately they think heaven. and when the hear the word Man, they think earthly. well, not so here. the Son of God came out of Mary. and the Son of Man is the one who came, (God, see Isaiah 35:4). in the diversity of the Spirit, the only Spirit, the Holy Spirit.as a man, meaning, God, in flesh, bone, and blood. lets understand this by the scriptures.

John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God".
the KEY word in these verses, verse 2 the word "SAME". the "same" WAS, (was is a past tense designation, indicative of the present writing). so lets key in on this word, "SAME", and find out who, or what this "SAME", is, or are.
according to Vine's Expository Dictionary. the word SAME is, G3778, houtos, which means, "this" (person or thing), or "he" (and the feminine and neuter forms), is sometimes translated "the same". there's our word, "thing".
Noah Webster's 1828 Dictionary of American English, "thing". 4. A portion or part; something.
Dictionary. com PART, #1. a part of any whole, either separated from or integrated with it.
Dictionary. com PORTION #3. the part of a whole allotted to or belonging to a person or group; share.

There is our word, SHARE. now back to John 1:1. now the question, what or who was "SHARED"?. our answer can be found in Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God". the term "FORM" here tells us what is our Lord, or his NATURE. FORM in this verse is the Greek Word, G3444 μορφή morphe (mor-fay') n. it means,
1. shape
2. nature
[perhaps from the base of G3313 (through the idea of adjustment of parts)]
KJV: form
Root(s): G3313
before we go to the root of the word. lets understand something. Here clearly, Jesus the "Christ" nature is spirit. for the scripture states, "Who, being in the form, or "nature" of God". we know that God nature is Spirit, John 4:24a "God is a Spirit". but why do we use a small case "s" in spirit for our Lord and Saviour, instead of a capital "S" in Spirit? take note of something, Genesis 6:3 "And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years". did one notice the small case "s" in spirit for the LORD, which is in all caps?. and notice this, Isaiah 42:1 "Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles". this is why the new translation is trying to change John 4:24 to "God is spirit". because they neither understand, or know that the CHRIST is a SHARE in another form, or "nature", of Flesh and blood. and the doctrine of the trinity ignorantly take this diversity, with the title, "Son", as a separate PERSON. not understanding what a diversity, or as John 14:16 say, "ANOTHER", as in another comfoter. they take the word "ANOTHER", as a separate, individual, PERSON. this is the false assumption of the trinitarians. without searching out what "ANOTHER" means in the Greek. here in Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God", it's the SHARE of the same PERSON, which is the ETERNAL SPIRIT. he, Christ, the shared, or (ALLOS), spirit, in nature. or the same person in a different FORM, or "nature". listen, Philippians 2:8 "And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross". this is bared out in John 3:6 "That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit". notice our Lord is not born of the Spirit, he is the Spirit in the diversify share. The Apostle John does not use huios, 'son,' of the believer, he reserves that title for the Lord; but he does use teknon, 'child,' as in his Gospel. flesh reproduce flesh. our Lord Jesus was not born, of flesh, meaning the offspring of human flesh, but "BY" flesh. A Saviour was BORN. meaning a male CHILD in Fashion only. Philippians 2:8 "And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. but the diversity have the NATURE of the ETERNAL SPIRIT. note, 1 Corinthians 15:45 "And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit". Just as Isaiah the prophet said, Isaiah 9:6a "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given". flesh is BORN. How is this. because this Child was not form as in natural conception, but was made in the womb of the woman. meaning not of men, as in natural conception. but of God. we can clearly see this in the ROOT of the word FORM here in Philippians 2:6. Now the ROOT of form, G3444(form), is the Greek word G3313 μέρος meros (mer'-os) n.
1. a division or share
{literally or figuratively, in a wide application}
[from an obsolete but more primary form of meiromai "to get as a section or allotment"] what is an allotment, or what is allotted. 1. a portion or thing allotted; a share granted. 2. to divide or distribute by share or portion; distribute or parcel out; apportion. 3.to assign as a portion; set apart; dedicate.

there's the SHARE. not a division, as in separate, but the same (ALLOS), or another of the SAME, in NATURE. meaning the same one PERSON. not another as in G2087 heteros. Jesus the Christ is the Shared spirit, "of" the ETERNAL SPIRIT, in flesh and blood, or another Form. hence Concrete, or the Objective, that carry out the ETERNAL SPIRIT WILL. this will is his word spoken in the OLD TESTAMENT about what he is going to do in the NEW TESTAMENT, or the NEW COVENANT. which was stated in Jeremiah 31:31 "Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah". this will, or testament was made available, or was accomplished by the ETERNAL SPIRIT by coming as a MAN in a flesh, bone and blood, a body prepared by the ETERNAL SPIRIT. proof in scripture, Isaiah 63:5 "And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me". the proof is, "the arem of God is the POWER of GOD". which is JESUS the CHRIST the ETERNAL SPIRIT, in flesh and blood. this life he knew in the flesh as the diversity, or man. that life he laid down, or gave in ransom for us. for the blood is the life of the flesh. Leviticus 17:11 "For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul". this is how God died. the Christ is not the last name of Jesus. Christ is the Work of GOD, in Flesh and blood. known as the Son. he is the (share) "with", meaning "in" the LIVING GOD. for he is Alive, having the same "nature". we have our being and movement in God, but our nature is dead unto him. that's why we must be born again, of the Spirit. and our Lord was that QUICKENING spirit in flesh and blood. now glorified. he "was" with us, not in us because we're dead. but now he is in us making us, or quickening our spirits, alive to himself. he will be with (IN) us by his NATURE, which is Spirit, the Spirit of Truth. can this be bared out in scriptures?, YES. in John 14:16, Jesus said, " I will pray the father and he shall "GIVE" you "ANOTHER" Comforter. and then turn around and say in verse 18 "I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you". the revelation is in the word "Another". right off the bat most Christians think the word another mean different, NOT THE SAME. in this study of diversities, we know that it means the same, only in Share. lets look at this word "another", again.
According to Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words, "Another". there are two word to look at. Read these definition seriously.
G243, allos and G2087 heteros have a difference in meaning, which despite a tendency to be lost, is to be observed in numerous passages. Allos expresses a numerical difference and denotes another of the same sort;" heteros expresses a qualitative difference and denotes "another of a different sort." Christ promised to send "another Comforter" (allos, "another like Himself," not heteros), John 14:16. Paul says "I See a different (AV, "another") law," heteros, a law different from that of the spirit of life (not allos, "a law of the same sort"), Rom 7:23.

so the doctrine of the trinity is in error, as well as the doctrine of separate person as in Father, and Son. and there is no 1 father, 2 son, or 3 Holy Spirit. he's the same person.

the Son of God is distinct, and separate from the Son of Man. lets see this in scriptures.
#1, who came?, the Son of Man, Matthew 18:11 "For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost". NOT the Son of God
#2. who was crucified on the cross, and rose the third day?, the son of Man, Mark 8:31 "And he began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders, and of the chief priests, and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again". Luke 24:7 "Saying, The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again".
#3. Matthew 17:9 "And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead". NOT the Son of God.
it is the Son of Man who did all of these thing. Hebrews 10:5 "Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me: 6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure. 7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God"
That body that was prepared, was the Son "of" God, "of" is the objective. and the Person who came is the Son of Man, the subjective.

the son of God did not rise from the DEAD. lets prove this out. John 20:27 "Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. 28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God". now, what is strangely missing here?. why not Thomas declare, as Peter did, "thou art the Christ the Son of the Living God". or why not Thomas say, "the Son of God"?. NO, because the son of God have blood, and now he don't have any blood. he is GOD glorified, in flesh and Bone, no blood. the son of God is Flesh, bone and BLOOD, son of Man is the ETERNAL SPIRIT, diversified in NATURE, spirit.
as the apostle Paul said, 2 Corinthians 4:16 "For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day". the outward man is the flesh and blood, (son of God), that perish. but the inward man, spirit, (Son of Man), is renewed,

and the only one coming BACK, is the Son of Man, the inward man that rose. NOT the son of God. Matthew 25:31 "When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory".

Revelation 1:7 "Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
Matthew 24:30 "And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory".

be blessed.

2 Purity, greeting in the name of the Lord Jesus.

I tend to agree with you JB.

LOL, good Purity, you and jb please go ahead and get in agreement together. because listen, Isaiah 8:9 "Associate yourselves, O ye people, and ye shall be broken in pieces; and give ear, all ye of far countries: gird yourselves, and ye shall be broken in pieces; gird yourselves, and ye shall be broken in pieces. 10 Take counsel together, and it shall come to nought; speak the word, and it shall not stand: for God is with us. 11 For the LORD spake thus to me with a strong hand, and instructed me that I should not walk in the way of this people, saying. 12 Say ye not, A confederacy, to all them to whom this people shall say, A confederacy; neither fear ye their fear, nor be afraid.. 13 Sanctify the LORD of hosts himself; and let him be your fear, and let him be your dread. 14 And he shall be for a sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both the houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem. 15 And many among them shall stumble, and fall, and be broken, and be snared, and be taken".

Go ahead form your little confederacy. get agreed together, and it will still come to naught. see I fear no man. only the Lord JESUS. and you better get some company, go along with the crowd. because the crowd is right in their eyesight, . see you talk, but with no substance, such as he's A divisive spirit is one who is arrogant and confrontational in communicating their exergis. He will never be profitable to the Master while he holds such contempt for those he is trying to teach". this sound like a wimp speech to me. why, because you have nothing to add or to disprove this teaching, I have put this out for all to see. what about your teaching?. where is it. lets see your beliefs, put it on the table to be examine.

No, you want. but yet you can call me "arrogant". no, just confident in the Lord JESUS, that's all. you see it as arrogant, because of your lack of knowledge, which is ignorance. I did not come on this board to be your buddy in crime,or lets cozy up and be friends. NO. In the Lord JESUS, I come to separate, not to buddy up. if that was the case. we can go on facebook and be buddies?. this is the word of truth, a sword, separating even soul and spirit. And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
see, purity, this is just what the Lord JESUS told us. you will know my disciples, for they will speak with NEW TONGUES. not another tongue, or an unknown tongue, but with A NEW TONGUE. this is what you're experiencing right now, a NEW TONGUE. you have never heard of this teaching before, have you?. it's NEW to you, never heard of this before. (smile). see that's why you call me arrogant, because you don't know the word of God. that's your own failing.

then you said, He will never be profitable to the Master while he holds such contempt for those he is trying to teach. Judge not another man servant. Romans 14:4 "Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand". Look purity, you don't have to believe me, only believe him. for he said, John 8:24 "I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins". and who is the, "I am he"?. scripture, Isaiah 52:6 "Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I". just like I said you don't have to hear me. but understand this, Luke 10:16 "He that heareth you heareth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me".

I suggest you keep those thoughts to yourself. and stick to the scriptures. Now if you want to put your doctrine that you believe in, put it on the table and let it be examine. and I hope its not the trinity doctrine, for that have MANY holes in it.

be blessed, and I really mean that, be blessed.

2 purity
James 3:12, well use it.

and I'm not going to let you ruined this topic with your this for that routine. start you a topic for such.

this topic is going to be without such tactics. now if you can't discuss, or don't know, just close your mouth and learn something.

and be blessed, and GOODAY to you.

to all who follow this topic.

I have put fort my beliefs and the doctrine that I believe in. if anyone have any other doctrine that they like to put on the table. please do so.

thanks in advance.

2 HiddenManna, greeting in the name of the Lord JESUS.

are you going to post your definition of "Aspect", concerning Jesus baptism, and the Holy Spirit as a dove, and the voice from heaven.

and to Purity, your doctrine of the Godhead Please?.

be blessed.

****************************************************************************************************



2 HiddenManna, and Purity,

In the name of the Lord JESUS, I will address your trinity doctrine concerning the three person you have put in the Godhead. here in Matthew 3:16 "And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: 17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased". lets look at these scriptures more closely.
#1. you have the Man Jesus being baptized.
#2. you have the Spirit like a dove.
#3. you have a voice from heaven.

Many of the trinity doctrine states that these scriptures point to the three person in the Godhead. lets give scripture to understand this. 1 Corinthians 12:6 "And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all".
lets look at the word "operations", G1755 ἐνέργημα energema (en-erg'-ay-mah) n.
1. an effect
[from G1754]
KJV: operation, working
Root(s): G1754

and now the word "diversities". as used here in verse 6 in relation to "operations" or the work of God.
G1243 διαίρεσις diairesis (dee-ai'-res-is) n.
1. a distinction or (concretely) variety
[from G1244]
KJV: difference, diversity
Root(s): G1244
so we see that operation here is a "WORK" of the ETERNAL SPIRIT. and the "diversities" is the different kind of work, or working of the ETERNAL SPIRIT. but the question must be asked, what "work"?.

lets start with the MAN JESUS being baptized. and see the working of the ETERNAL SPIRIT. Philippians 2:7 "But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men". this word "made", as in the likeness", is the Greek word,
G1096 γίνομαι ginomai (ghin'-om-ai) v.
1. to cause to be ("gen"-erate)
2. (reflexively) to become (come into being)
{used with great latitude (literal, figurative, intensive, etc.)}
[a prolongation and middle voice form of a primary verb]
KJV: arise, be assembled, be(-come, -fall, -have self), be brought (to pass), (be) come (to pass), continue, be divided, draw, be ended, fall, be finished, follow, be found, be fulfilled, + God forbid, grow, happen, have, be kept, be made, be married, be ordained to be, partake, pass, be performed, be published, require, seem, be showed, X soon as it was, sound, be taken, be turned, use, wax, will, would, be wrought
there's our definition, "be ordained to be". now the question is, what is "to be". answer, H1961 הָיָה hayah (haw-yaw) v.
1. to exist
2. to be or become
3. to come into being, i.e. to happen, to occur (always emphatic, and not a mere copula or auxiliary)
[a primitive root]
KJV: beacon, X altogether, be(-come), accomplished, committed, like), break, cause, come (to pass), do, faint, fall, + follow, happen, X have, last, pertain, quit (one-)self, require, X use.

where have we seen "H1961 הָיָה hayah" before?. that's right Exodus 3:14 "And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you". so we see that he who was Baptized is "hayah", or I AM, or "to be". and this is the almighty, "to be" in flesh and blood. the one whom you call GOD, whom I call the ETERNAL SPIRIT/HOLY SPIRIT. now can we back this up in scripture, YES we can. remember our definition of G1096 "to be" is "be ordained to be". lets see this ordination, when and where. 1 Peter 1:19 "But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: 20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you". well, well our Lord have just thrown a spiritual fast ball right over your spiritual heads. Christ was foreordained "before" the foundation of the worlds. meaning before Genesis 1:1. but watched what the apostle Peter said, "but was manifest in these last times for you". question, when was Christ manifested?. answer, John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God".
the word, or the terms "was, and "with" tells us when. so the Manifestation of the Spirit is in the form of a MAN, called Christ.
so HiddenManna, what you call an aspect of God is simply a manifestation not another "PERSON". but the one true God in MANIFESTATION, meaning to be seen. other words he "appeared". because he will appear again, at his second coming. so, Philippians 2:8 "And being found, (meaning being seen), in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross". Philippians 2:5 " Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men". there's the term "was" as in John 1:1. Luke 3:22 "And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased". ok lets seen, John 5:37 "And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape". now, can Jesus lie? NO. in all these shapes, forms, fashions, or figure of God is his operations. it's the distinction, or (diversities), in our definition of the word "diversities". another word for distinction is conspicuous: 1. easily seen or noticed; readily visible or observable. (remember one cannot see the Spirit with the naked eye) 2. manifest, noticeable, clear, marked, salient. take note, readily perceived by the eye or the understanding; evident; obvious; apparent. that's concretely variety. remember our definition?, G1243 διαίρεσις diairesis (dee-ai'-res-is) n.
1. a distinction or (concretely) variety something not seen manifested. variety, in a form, or a figure, or a shape or, a similitude, or a fashion, or an IMAGE. do you know what that means. in John 1:1, God, the ETERNAL SPIRIT took on the foreordain form, the foreordain shape, the foreordain fashion, the foreordain figure, the foreordain similitude, the foreordain image, which is a MAN. and this was before the foundation of the world was even laid. that's the, "us", and the, "we", in Genesis 1:26. and the "LORD said unto my Lord". the wisdom of Proverb 8. God, the ETERNAL SPIRIT, not seen, Now, seen or manifested in the image of a man. supporting scripture, 1 Timothy 3:16 "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory". there's the Godhead answer in a nut shell. now to remove the veil on some hearts, and to correct this false doctrine of the trinity, lets breakdown these word definitions. for concrete: Existing in a material or physical form; real or solid; not abstract, meaning able to, touch, taste, hear, SEE and speak. what is the opposite of concrete?. indeterminate, and what's the opposite of indeterminate?, KNOWN. God the ETERNAL SPIRIT, made known of himself , his thoughts, his will, through flesh, bone, and blood. as a man. and this man, this flesh, bone, and blood made known or manifested the thoughts, or the will of GOD in the earth realms. the term "WORD", or Logos, means "EXPRESSION of THOUGHTS". the thoughts of God is with him, for thoughts is Spirit. the ETERNAL SPIRIT in the beginning, YES, before the foundation of the world, before Genesis 1:1. have already thought out the plan to be with his chosen People. and this was done before the messiah step on the earth. that thought, that word, that "EXPRESS IMAGE", is now "with" us in the form, the shape, the fashion, the figure, similitude, or the IMAGE of God, which is A MAN. as with the thoughts of people made manifested on pen and paper in words, which one can be seen, and spoken. just as at the baptism of our Lord Jesus, for us to see and HEAR. and in John 14:7 "If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. say what Jesus?, "from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him". listen verse 8, Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. 9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?". answer: the Form (Philippians 2:7): The visible shape or configuration of something. The essential nature of a species or thing. regarded as an abstract ideal that real things imitate or participate in, especially thoughts. as in the example of the pen and the paper to convey one's thoughts. that form a temporary structure for holding the thoughts of GOD. in shape while it carry out his will, (the objective). that son of God, that body of flesh was a temporary structure, or temple for the ETERNAL SPIRIT to fulfill his word spoken in the old testament. for the true structure is not made with human hands, but eternal. it's a particular way in which a thing exists or appears; in shape, and form, a manifestation. again, (that son of God, that body of flesh, which manifested the Spirit that was in it), this is the FORM of GOD or the image of God , a man. 2 Corinthians 5:19 "To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation". so we see from our definition who and what the Spirit is in the flesh. which is his second dispensations. which as a MAN he is REDEEMER, and SAVED us. Glory to our KING.
what one calls an aspects, or an appearance, is of the SAME ONE PERSON. hence this PERSON, the ETERNAL SPIRIT, the same self Spirit that who appeared. as the apostle Paul said. 1 Corinthians 12:11 "But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will". lets understand, where that we may be edified. I posted this before.
the ETERNAL SPIRIT is omnipresent in Spirit, and ubiquitous in the glorified body, by or through his Spirit. let me explain, Ubiquitous is applied to that which seems to appear in many and all sorts of places. after his resurrection our Lord appeared and disappeared in many places. example, John 20:19 "Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you". (notice, Jesus didn't knock on the door, no blood to hinder now). also he appears on the road to Emmaus. an appearance is not a manifestation such as a vision, or dreams. but the reality can be. to the best of my knowledge. the difference between a manifestation and an appearance is this. an appearance is the source, made "BY", or "through" an "OBJECT" in one place at one time. meaning a shape, form, or fashion, in appearance. a manifestation is the source "of" the "OBJECT", in many places and many times. in shape, form, or fashion. example, when Thomas ask our Lord Jesus/God how will he manifest himself to them, and not the world. (see John 14:22) this is how?, in the spiritual gifts of 1 Corinthians, chapter 12 verses 4-7. "Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord. 6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all. 7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal". THERE'S THE MANIFESTATION OF JESUS, THE HOLY SPIRIT. for it is only ONE "GOD" as 1 Corinthians 12:6 plainly states. and that ONE GOD is the SAME, "Lord", and the SAME Lord is the SAME "Spirit", supportive scripture, 2 Corinthians 3:17 "Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty". that SAME God that same Lord is the Spirit. our bro Thomas said it best "My God, and my Lord". THAT'S WHY THE SPIRIT DIDN'T COME UNTIL OUR LORD JESUS RETURNED, TO BE IN ALL POWER ,meaning (,G1849, exousia, as well as,G1411, dunamis). so that he my be "UBIQUITOUS" in his glorified body, remember our definition of appearance, "by", or "through" an object. God/Jesus/THE ETERNAL SPIRIT, body is the object, (the son of God, that was made, "flesh") which the Spirit/God operated "by" or "through". for he's, that child, that son of Isaiah 9:6. which is God's/ the ETERNAL SPIRIT "ARM" or Power, (authority, G1849, exousia) and the wisdom of the ETERNAL SPIRIT in flesh & blood. that's why he is called, Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. on earth in flesh and blood God could heal only one person at a time because that flesh, with blood, (hence the mighty God, Isaiah 9:6). in the natural, that blood, it limited the power of God only to one place at one time on while here EARTH in that body. this is the theological debate known as "the Intrinsic Spatial". Jesus touch only one person at a time. remember, he "took on the FORM of a servant". but , now, no more, he is in glorification with a body, he is ubiquitous, ALL POWER, without the blood. was this not foretold?, even the prophets of old didn't know, but prophesied it, 1 Peter 1:10 "Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: 11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow". this is the glory that our bro Stephen saw when he was stone, this is the glory David saw, when he said, "the LORD said unto my Lord, sit at my right hand", see Rev chapter 5, right hand meaning in power (in flesh, God's arm of flesh, see 1 Corinthians 1:24). this is what Isaiah saw, in the throne room of the almighty, (see Isaiah chapter 6), and this is what John on the island of Patmos saw in the book of Revelation, one seated on the throne and in full power and glorified with his NEW BODY, or TABERNACLE, the revealing of the true God, the ETERNAL SPIRIT in FLESH AND BONE, the Lord JESUS.
his Spirit is everywhere, so he can appear everywhere, at any time in full power. scripture, Jeremiah 23:23 "Am I a God at hand, saith the LORD, and not a God afar off? 24 Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the LORD. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the LORD". so by his Spirit which is every where, he can appear anywhere at any time. and manifest himself also, as in us. (see 1 Corinthians 12:7-11

2 HiddenManna


Not sure how the last post thinks is supposed to defeat the truth of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit as they manifest in the scriptures? One must work very hard to deny this clear and evident truth of the scriptures, I guess thats the only point I can see. :lol:


One must work very hard?. there's no hard work to prove a lie. the work have already been done. and guess what?. there's no math involved

Just the plain truth. light cast out darkness. but men love darkness. that's just some men nature.

and the reason you don't know?, is because you don't want to know h34r: the truth hurts, but its GOOD FOR YOU.

bottom line. if you refuse the truth, that's OK, because you're not rejecting me, but he who sent me. and one thing is sure, you can't claim ignorance when you come before the judgment seat of Christ. because I have told you. so be blessed, I hope.