The Adulterous Woman.

Ronald Nolette · Apr 21, 2025

Magdala said:
The Christian (Catholic) Church was founded by Jesus. The first leaders were the apostles. Then, people started their own Christian denominations, and each differs from the Church Jesus founded. That's why you have so many different interpretations of Scripture now. Heck, a group of Jehovah's Witnesses straight up edited Scripture to their liking! You read certain scriptural verses and interpret them to mean that Joseph and Mary had intercourse and other children, but others say different. Both can't be right. So, how did you rule out the possibility that your interpretation of those verses aren't correct?

Additionally, we agree that Maria Valtorta's writings have a supernatural origin, but you think that they're of Satan because of what Maria was shown and told about the Blessed Virgin Mary, which is about Her life on earth, why She should be honored, and the ways in which She draws people to Her Son, and thus closer to God, which is the exact opposite effect of what Satan wants. Wouldn't it be more befitting of Satan to either downplay or deny Who the Blessed Virgin Mary is, what She's done and does, and the degree of influence that She's had and has, and so on, and get people to believe that, in order to lead them away from God? Yes or no?

Yes the Christian catholic church was founded by Jesus. but the Roman Catholic church was not. that was founded by a Roman Emperor.

And No Satan would love to deceive vulnerable believers into exalting Mary above her station. The Mopther/Son cult was found in many ancinet pagan religions and merely carried over into Christendom when Pagan influence started seeping into the church.

Magdala · Apr 21, 2025

Ronald Nolette said:
Yes the Christian catholic church was founded by Jesus. but the Roman Catholic church was not. that was founded by a Roman Emperor.

There is no "Roman" Catholic Church.
There is only the Christian (Catholic) Church.

"Roman" or "Latin" simply refers to a Liturgical Rite.
There are about TWENTY Liturgical Rites that comprise the ONE Catholic Church.

Now, we agree that the Christian (Catholic) Church was founded by Jesus. Eventually, people started their own Christian denominations, and that's why you have so many different interpretations of Scripture now. For example, a group of Jehovah's Witnesses straight up edited Scripture to their liking! You read certain scriptural verses and interpret them to mean that Joseph and Mary had intercourse and other children, but others say different. Both can't be right. So, how did you rule out the possibility that your interpretation of those verses aren't correct?

Ronald Nolette said:
And No Satan would love to deceive vulnerable believers into exalting Mary above her station

Is it not possible that Satan has convinced you and others of such lies regarding Catholics and the Blessed Virgin Mary, which causes you and others to downplay or deny Who the Blessed Virgin Mary is, what She's done and does, and the degree of influence that She's had and has, and so on, in order to lead you away from God, which is what he wants?

Ronald Nolette · Apr 23, 2025

Magdala said:
There is no "Roman" Catholic Church.
There is only the Christian (Catholic) Church.

"Roman" or "Latin" simply refers to a Liturgical Rite.
There are about TWENTY Liturgical Rites that comprise the ONE Catholic Church.

Now, we agree that the Christian (Catholic) Church was founded by Jesus. Eventually, people started their own Christian denominations, and that's why you have so many different interpretations of Scripture now. For example, a group of Jehovah's Witnesses straight up edited Scripture to their liking! You read certain scriptural verses and interpret them to mean that Joseph and Mary had intercourse and other children, but others say different. Both can't be right. So, how did you rule out the possibility that your interpretation of those verses aren't correct?

And the liturgical rite Called the roman Catholic Church has left its Master to adopt many pagan and unbiblical ways.

And how do I know I am correct about Mary and Joseph having sex and children? Simple! I do not interpret the bible but accept the words as INspired by God and written by those whom He chose to write them.

And the Catholic church is only one sect of Christianity. See the church is catholic small "C" not large c. The church is not a sect but an organism comprised of all believers in whatever sect of christendom they are in.

Also believers do not accept a man as "Vicarius Christi". The Apostles ended in the first century. All the rest since then are elders and shepherds and not replacement apostles.

Magdala · Apr 23, 2025

Ronald Nolette said:
And the liturgical rite Called the roman Catholic Church has left its Master to adopt many pagan and unbiblical ways.

Firstly, earlier you said there's the Roman Catholic Church founded by a Roman Emperor. Again, that's false, there's only ever been the Christian (Catholic) Church founded by Jesus. The Roman Emperor Constantine I converted to Christianity, and through the Edict of Milan in 313 CE, legalized Christianity (Catholicism) in the Roman Empire, ending the era of persecution. This decree granted religious freedom, allowing Christians to practice their faith openly and legally. Therefore, do you acknowledge that you spoke in error and now understand?

Secondly, google "Roman and Latin Liturgical Rites", then give your understanding of them.

Ronald Nolette said:
And No Satan would love to deceive vulnerable believers into exalting Mary above her station

Do you consider that it's possible that Satan has convinced you and others of such lies regarding Catholics and the Blessed Virgin Mary, which causes you and others to downplay or deny Who the Blessed Virgin Mary is, what She's done and does, and the degree of influence that She's had and has, and so on, in order to keep you away from Jesus's Church and thus His Truths, which is what he wants?

Ronald Nolette said:
And how do I know I am correct about Mary and Joseph having sex and children? Simple! I do not interpret the bible but accept the words as INspired by God and written by those whom He chose to write them.

Other denominations claim that too, and say that it's not supported in Scripture that Joseph and Mary had other children, and thus is an interpretation that differs from yours. So, how did you come to rule out that your interpretation is wrong?

Ronald Nolette said:
The Apostles ended in the first century. All the rest since then are elders and shepherds and not replacement apostles.

In addition to redeeming mankind, why else do you think Jesus became human and chose twelve main men, and what do you think He spent three years training them to be, and gave them authority for, and why in that time He ministered to accumulate believers? To establish His Christian (Catholic) Church and a hierarchy within it, where power and authority is transferred from His first leaders (the apostles), to their successors chosen by the Holy Spirit, rather than based on lineage. That succession continues to this day with awaiting the successor of Pope Francis and other leaders.

Ronald Nolette said:
And the Catholic church is only one sect of Christianity. See the church is catholic small "C" not large c. The church is not a sect but an organism comprised of all believers in whatever sect of christendom they are in.

Every Christian denomination can be traced back to being founded by a human or a group of humans, other than Jesus. Every single one. The founder of Catholicism is Jesus. Jesus spoke of one Christian (Catholic) Church, the one fold, and bringing sheep of other folds into that fold, not creating multiple folds. Does being part of another denomination mean that you're not a Christian, or can't be called one? No, but it does mean that you're not part of the Christian (Catholic) Church, the one fold that Jesus founded, and, again, he wants people of other folds, including you, to be brought into that fold.

Ronald Nolette · Apr 24, 2025

Magdala said:
Firstly, earlier you said there's the Roman Catholic Church founded by a Roman Emperor. Again, that's false, there's only ever been the Christian (Catholic) Church founded by Jesus. The Roman Emperor Constantine I converted to Christianity, and through the Edict of Milan in 313 CE, legalized Christianity (Catholicism) in the Roman Empire, ending the era of persecution. This decree granted religious freedom, allowing Christians to practice their faith openly and legally. Therefore, do you acknowledge that you spoke in error and now understand?

Secondly, google "Roman and Latin Liturgical Rites", then give your understanding of them.

Sorry but I do not accept you adding Catholicism to the term Christianity. The church is catholic for it is universal, but it is not CAtholic in its foundation. the liturgical rites of Roman Catholicism and its sub sects came much later.

No for it was Constantine along with Lucious who gave Christianity (not Catholicism) freedom from persecution and legal staus along with the other religions in the empire.

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Not to be confused with Milan Decree.

Bust of Emperor Constantine I, Roman, 4th century
The Edict of Milan (Latin: Edictum Mediolanense; Greek: Διάταγμα τῶν Μεδιολάνων, Diatagma tōn Mediolanōn) was the February, AD 313 agreement to treat Christians benevolently within the Roman Empire.[1] Western Roman Emperor Constantine I and Emperor Licinius, who controlled the Balkans, met in Mediolanum (modern-day Milan) and, among other things, agreed to change policies towards Christians[1] following the edict of toleration issued by Emperor Galerius two years earlier in Serdica. The Edict of Milan gave Christianity legal status and a reprieve from persecution but did not make it the state church of the Roman Empire,[2] which occurred in AD 380 with the Edict of Thessalonica,[3] when Nicene Christianity received normative status.[4][5]
The document is found in Lactantius's De mortibus persecutorum and in Eusebius of Caesarea's History of the Church with marked divergences between the two.[6][7] Whether or not there was a formal 'Edict of Milan' is no longer really debated among scholars, who generally reject the story as it has come down in church history.[8][1]
The version found in Lactantius is not in the form of an edict.[7] It is a letter from Licinius to the governors of the provinces in the Eastern Empire that he had just conquered by defeating Maximinus [9] later that same year and issued in Nicomedia.[1][10]

As for Liturgy? The first Century church was divided between Jewish style fellowships and Gentile style fellowships. There was no mass and the early church did not call its leaders "priests"! They were elders, shepherds and pastors. The church celebrated its gatherings in many differing styles and itwasn't until the mid-300's when a unity of "liturgy" began to take shape and the modern Roman mass was borne.

Magdala · Sunday at 2:08 PM

Ronald Nolette said:
No for it was Constantine along with Lucious who gave Christianity (not Catholicism) freedom from persecution and legal staus along with the other religions in the empire.

Ronald Nolette said:
Sorry but I do not accept you adding Catholicism to the term Christianity. The church is catholic for it is universal, but it is not CAtholic in its foundation.

The Church founded by Jesus Christ and established by the Apostles was called the “Catholic Church” by the end of the first century– some 1400 years before anybody ever heard of a “Protestant”. We see this in the Letter to the Smyrnaeans by Ignatius of Antioch, which was already an established fact by the beginning of the second century:

"Follow your bishop, every one of you, as obediently as Jesus Christ followed the Father. Obey your clergy too as you would the apostles; give your deacons the same reverence that you would to a command of God. Make sure that no step affecting the Church is ever taken by anyone without the bishop’s sanction. The sole EUCHARIST you should consider valid is one that is celebrated by the bishop himself, or by some person authorized by him. Where the bishop is to be seen, there let all his people be; just as, wherever Jesus Christ is present, there is the CATHOLIC CHURCH (Letter to the Smyrneans 8:2 [A.D. 107]).

"In like manner let everyone respect the deacons as they would respect Jesus Christ, and just as they respect the bishop as a type of the Father, and the presbyters (priests) as the council of God and college of the apostles. Without these, it cannot be called a Church. I am confident that you accept this, for I have received the exemplar of your love and have it with me in the person of your bishop. His very demeanor is a great lesson and his meekness is his strength. I believe that even the godless do respect him"(Letter to the Trallians 3:1-2 [A. D. 110]).

Follow, respect, and obey your clergy, such as the bishops, presbyters (priests), deacons...
The Eucharist...
The Catholic Church...

This is the same Church that gave you The Bible...

Ronald Nolette · Sunday at 3:02 PM

Magdala said:
The Church founded by Jesus Christ and established by the Apostles was called the “Catholic Church” by the end of the first century– some 1400 years before anybody ever heard of a “Protestant”. We see this in the Letter to the Smyrnaeans by Ignatius of Antioch, which was already an established fact by the beginning of the second century:

"Follow your bishop, every one of you, as obediently as Jesus Christ followed the Father. Obey your clergy too as you would the apostles; give your deacons the same reverence that you would to a command of God. Make sure that no step affecting the Church is ever taken by anyone without the bishop’s sanction. The sole EUCHARIST you should consider valid is one that is celebrated by the bishop himself, or by some person authorized by him. Where the bishop is to be seen, there let all his people be; just as, wherever Jesus Christ is present, there is the CATHOLIC CHURCH (Letter to the Smyrneans 8:2 [A.D. 107]).

And the Roman version which is the massive monolith was founded centuries latrer.

also you capitalized for your own benefit. Greek had no capitals, it was catholic small "c" And you also ignore that there were many differences in how gatherings took place. Jewish believers held a much different service than gentile believers. there have been divisions in the church since the church was born. Even Jesus said those not against are with us.

Catholi big"c" and Protestant are mere man made terms to describe sects of Christianity. Followers of Jesus were more known as Christian, followers of the way, sect of the Nazarene eetc. and not catholic.

Magdala · Sunday at 3:13 PM

Ronald Nolette said:
And the Roman version which is the massive monolith was founded centuries latrer.

also you capitalized for your own benefit. Greek had no capitals, it was catholic small "c" And you also ignore that there were many differences in how gatherings took place. Jewish believers held a much different service than gentile believers. there have been divisions in the church since the church was born. Even Jesus said those not against are with us.

Catholi big"c" and Protestant are mere man made terms to describe sects of Christianity. Followers of Jesus were more known as Christian, followers of the way, sect of the Nazarene eetc. and not catholic.

I just gave you proof that the early Christian Church went by "the Catholic Church", and called its leaders priests, 1400 years before any Protestant denomination existed, including yours. You can deny history if you want, but you can't change it. As for the "Roman version centuries later" and other comments you made, they stem from ignorance of or a misunderstanding of the history of the Christian Catholic Church, but I can give you some direction. I recommend starting here.

FaithWillDo · 2025-05-02T10:06:14-0500

Webers_Home said:
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● John 8:6-9 . . Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger.
When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them: He
among you without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her. Again he
stooped down and wrote on the ground. At this, those who heard began to go away
one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still
standing there.

It's fun to speculate about what Christ wrote on the ground in the incident of the
woman taken in adultery. Well, as for me; I suspect it was the names of girlfriends
that the woman's accusers had on the side that they thought nobody knew about.
Hence when Christ said "let him who is without sin cast the first stone" he wasn't
talking about sin in general; no, he was talking about the same sin; viz: adultery.
_

Dear Webers_Home,
We don't have to speculate what Christ wrote in the earth.

To understand the spiritual teachings of Christ, we must compare spiritual words with spiritual words.

1Cor 2:13 These things we also speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things (words) with spiritual (words).

Here is what Christ is writing:

Jer 31:38 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

By knowing what Christ is writing in the "earth", a believer with "eyes that can see" can discern the spiritual message that Christ is teaching in the story of the adulterous woman.

Here are the key spirit words and their meanings:

Woman/Earth/Heart: Represents the carnal & religious spirit of an Elect person. Synonymous terms include the Great Harlot, Old Jerusalem, Sodom and Egypt.

Pharisees: Represents the administers of the Law.

Stones: Represents the Law.

When Christ first writes in the earth, it represents Christ writing the Law of the Spirit in the woman's heart. This is the Early Rain of the Spirit. But since the Early Rain is only given in measure (a small amount), the woman will remain carnally minded, spiritually blind and unconverted. In this condition, the woman cannot remain faithful to Christ due to Satan's deceptions. As a result, the woman will fall from grace and will remain under the Law. This is represented by the Pharisees continuing to accuse the woman.

John 8:8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground. 9 And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst. 10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?

In verse 8, Christ stoops down again and writes the Law of the Spirit in the heart of the woman a second time. This act represents the Latter Rain of the Spirit.

With the Latter Rain, the woman's spiritual blindness is healed and she comes out of Satan's deceptions. As a result, the woman repents of her works and is made faithful again. With her repentance, the woman is covered by the blood of Christ and is no longer condemned by the Law. The Pharisees can no longer accuse the woman so they leave.

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